dragon: (dies) nameless king: *_now, it's persona-_* (ganked, stunlocked and dead 5 seconds later)
@StormhawkJuzo3 жыл бұрын
Dragon: (dies again) Nameless King: “not this time father”
@Tyrantlizard1273 жыл бұрын
That was just sad.
@moss_on_a_tree2 жыл бұрын
That's literally me trying to fight any large group of enemies without the Farron Greatsword or any other sweeping weapon
@Domarie662 жыл бұрын
Black Knights: Your father would be ashamed of you. Oh wait ...
@MikinMikinovec3 жыл бұрын
Putting Nameless King against 5 ultra heavy weapons is the equivalent of throwing an apple into a blender
@s8theninjawarrior9163 жыл бұрын
Well putting 5 black knights against any boss except Midir is the same lol doubt even Gael and Yhorm could win
@carterconway73433 жыл бұрын
Yhorm could have killed that army of black knights no problem
@s8theninjawarrior9163 жыл бұрын
@@carterconway7343 lol dont say to quickly, Yhorm has good hp and poise, but black knights are absolutely insane in groups, the stagger is impossible to withstand, even for Yhorm, he would maybe win against 5/8 of them, not much more
@simonshephard38343 жыл бұрын
@@s8theninjawarrior916 Yhorm can only get staggered by hitting his head with enough damage.
@cordyceps1823 жыл бұрын
@@simonshephard3834 In a previous group vs group, Yhorm got staggered into oblivion by Sulyvahn and friends. The Black Knights presumably have a similar level of stagger damage.
@tylerstephans66703 жыл бұрын
I never knew that when Cinder throws that bolt of lightning into the air, it actually makes a little storm cloud.
@KazeShiniSK3 жыл бұрын
you were too busy rolling away
@tylerstephans66703 жыл бұрын
@@KazeShiniSK that's 100% it
@noah9942.3 жыл бұрын
yeah. we had a spell like it in DS2, sad that it never got added into ds3.
@harryunderwood93873 жыл бұрын
@@noah9942. Splintering Lightning Spear was terrible. Didn't even have that appearance (was more of a glowing ring), had bad damage, and was nearly impossible to aim. I will admit that adding some tracking to it in this game would have been nice however, since Faith builds lost their main wakeup Miracle (Heavenly Thunder) in 3, no I won't acknowledge Pillars of Light. Then again, Soul Shower wasn't treated well, so perhaps it was better it stayed out.
@hewhoshallnotbenamed51683 жыл бұрын
@@harryunderwood9387 Yeah, Binding Bolt was a better alternative to Splintering Lightning Spear, although BOTH spells are better utilized as area control/area denial spells rather than outright damage.
@theformation37813 жыл бұрын
8:30 for some lore friendly dragonslaying action
@cleonumber13 жыл бұрын
The Gwyn side of SOC must be like: "I am dissapointed in you son, get off that dragon" Of course nameless wasn't happy with that so he murdered him.
@ronanholt19353 жыл бұрын
King of the storm was a hard carry ngl
@8nefausto83 жыл бұрын
I think it’s too broken
@MSte213 жыл бұрын
@Salacious Arts Seriously. They beat SoC into phase 2 both times Archdragon Peak won, and even in the second match, they almost got him there, without much input from the King of the Storm either.
@thetreatment4983 жыл бұрын
@@MSte21 Definitely. The only problem with round 2 was that the focus of the battle was entirely on the serpants. King of the storm neither distracted nor helped with his aoe because he was missing or hitting 2 black knights. Overall everybody did a good job on serpants team.
@kiro2533 жыл бұрын
@Salacious Arts they are weak tbh...if we put bk vs sm bk will probally fck them without problem...the king of the storm is just too broken bcoz they dont know to attack the fkcin heas
@firewall51893 жыл бұрын
@@kiro253 i mightve busted a blood vessel or two trying to read that, but now that ive figured it out, i completely agree lol
@pouncelygrin66993 жыл бұрын
5:48 "Teleports behind you" Black knights: *BONK *CLANG *CLANK *BONK
@cermit56263 жыл бұрын
Lol
@FVCK-TH1S3 жыл бұрын
In that moment he knew, He fucked up.
@jenniferbarangan15023 жыл бұрын
"nothing perso- OH SH-" *dies*
@HeyItsNate23 жыл бұрын
all I thought of was that "getting jumped" meme just hearing "Fight back mother fucka"
@shalawjaza92713 жыл бұрын
The poor black nights had the camera issue thats why they lost 2 times
@silverreaps68033 жыл бұрын
Damn dark souls camera
@reximingan94203 жыл бұрын
Haha i get that one.
@bobbydebruyn93843 жыл бұрын
Yes poor dark nights, waiting for summer
@kiro2533 жыл бұрын
@@bobbydebruyn9384 nooo dont mention that
@LawrenceKassab3 жыл бұрын
Am I the only person who wants a Dark Souls RTS after watching this.
@allensinclair-27783 жыл бұрын
Lol no, you are not alone
@nathanfrandon27983 жыл бұрын
Honestly I'd kill for a RTS with all the FromSoftware characters, but that would take longer to release than Elden Ring 2, Scholar of the First OoOoOoOoOh Edition.
@Xelnagapriest3 жыл бұрын
Not at all. I've always wanted a game where rather than playing as the guy who sacrifices themselves to rekindle the flame, you play as the Gwyn/Vendrick character who builds the subsequent era.
@LawrenceKassab3 жыл бұрын
@@Xelnagapriest that would be so freakin cool.
@hewhoshallnotbenamed51683 жыл бұрын
Total War: Dark Souls. I'd play the shit out of that.
@markusbrendon3 жыл бұрын
How the hell you did such a amazing introduction, like, holyshit, the camera close to the burning coil sword, the nameless king going down, that was just incredible.
@barnabasfarkas38303 жыл бұрын
This channel is really evolving, we have nice intros and health bars
@racoon9653 жыл бұрын
5:53 Is too funny, soul of cinder is just chilling on the high ground spamming magic and looking like he’d be saying “feed him to the lions” if he could speak. A mirror image of a pontiff gank squad.
@aosomnissj45853 жыл бұрын
Ikr
@goodoldfaith84353 жыл бұрын
That 2nd fight. You can tell the black knights made it personal. Poor Nameless couldnt even move. Also most cinematic moment is Soul of Cinder (Gwyn) casting his lightning storm and it just obliterating K.O.S.
@autisticbraindamagedmoron3 жыл бұрын
or some say Kosm
@StormhawkJuzo3 жыл бұрын
@@autisticbraindamagedmoron King of the Stormm
@autisticbraindamagedmoron3 жыл бұрын
@@StormhawkJuzo that is approaching
@Jargolf863 жыл бұрын
The Hitbox and Firespam from Dragon are OP in this Fight.
@BT-ob7ve3 жыл бұрын
It is incredible considering the high fire resistance of the bks
@LautrecOfCarim3 жыл бұрын
Local angry dad reincarnates just to keep his edgy son from hanging out in a weird neighbourhood. Heh.
@NickKlassicNickflix23 жыл бұрын
Ooooh Lautrec 😒.
@JPMgeo3 жыл бұрын
These are getting old dude.
@TheKing-qz9wd3 жыл бұрын
Legit. Heh.
@TheKing-qz9wd3 жыл бұрын
@@JPMgeo Cease your heresy. My boy has been at this for years. God bless him.
@asepsisaficionado73763 жыл бұрын
@@JPMgeo Old like a fine wine
@WillyTeach3 жыл бұрын
Never knew the king of storms had that shockwave attack.
@Azazel_883 жыл бұрын
Same that really surprised me. Pretty dope!
@hunterclementine32683 жыл бұрын
Same.
@TheKing-qz9wd3 жыл бұрын
I remember the first time he got me with it. "Oh, what's this?" *WHAP*
@danklegosi60843 жыл бұрын
@@TheKing-qz9wd WAP you say?
@TheKing-qz9wd3 жыл бұрын
@@danklegosi6084 No, it was more thunderous.
@skyhaven81593 жыл бұрын
Soul of Cinder becoming a mage during the second round Gank is simply perfect.
@FatCatProductions3 жыл бұрын
You should get Ornstein, Artorias, Gough, Ciaran and Gwyn to fight a bunch of kalameets
@bloodangel193 жыл бұрын
And Havel, just for the fun of it
@acastusofastora86413 жыл бұрын
@@bloodangel19 don't forget some silver knights!
@enternamehere79423 жыл бұрын
Oh for the heck of it, just get every npc
@moonchampion79993 жыл бұрын
Gwyn and his Knights and their extended family
@joseacosta18513 жыл бұрын
Gywn’s army vs. every dragon boss/enemy in Ds1
@confusedjerry94203 жыл бұрын
This has to be the most coolest battle I've ever seen
@Sid_Streams3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Not just the coolest, but the most coolest.
@azurebookllet92163 жыл бұрын
It's the most awesome group battle. As far as the duels go, I really like these two. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6CreGupa92NfKc kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWmsYYmcoaljhtE
@codybender53323 жыл бұрын
5:23 the cutscene takes place in the sky high above Anor Londo and Lothric in the space above Gael’s boss arena, the golden shy looks so cinematic and you can see the destroyed structures from the box cover and opening cutscene, as well as Anor Londo, very cinematic seeing as how this is Gwyn’s son
@marinamore97063 жыл бұрын
I hoped Soul of Cinder would win the first round but it wasn't even close
@turdburgler38593 жыл бұрын
It was a slaughter
@MrMisteryWillTube3 жыл бұрын
but he didn't change to phase 2, probably because it needs to get direct hit from player
@xaphan4523 жыл бұрын
@@MrMisteryWillTube nah he did but sadly it didn't really help. If he focuses the snake people at the start together with his black knights he will win, as we saw but his second phase hasn't done anything good.
@an_ordinary_goose3 жыл бұрын
Even in phase II, it's a gamble since SoC can try to use moves that aren't particularly useful such as trying to spam sorceries against does in his face or melee attacks on targets further away
@reximingan94203 жыл бұрын
Yeah with King of the Storms support, the serpents were favored to win but in the second fight, Chosen Undead had an opportunity and he didnt squander it, without King of The Storms support, he and the army mopped the serpents rather easily and focused on him when all of them are dead, Nameless King was killed Yhorm Irythyll Gangbang Style, the third is just, come on Chosen Undead focus on the fucking armies before you try to fuck up your son.
@therandomartist32013 жыл бұрын
To be a champion of flame, to be a dark lord, to be one who breaks a endless cycle, one must understand souls, souls of men, souls of lords, souls of gods, and souls of monster. The thing to understand is that souls are impossible to destroy or create. The only thing a soul will truly do, is change or shift. That is why, when one of the last great battles began, the Soul of Cinder felt something shift and move in it, something came to the surface and took control. That thing was the Soul of Gwyn, staring at his son who had taken back his title. His title as a god of war. He gripped the coiled blade he so long ago plunged into the fire, to link it to the dark, and rushed forward. The scattered knights could see the change, the shift in the Cinders and rallied behind it, remembering when they had so long ago charged with Gwyn to fight The Everlasting Dragons of old.
@Seraphim_11722 жыл бұрын
This is lore now.
@moonchampion79993 жыл бұрын
Okay...since Yhorm beat Midir...let's make it again but with their trusted allies...Yhorm and Seigward VS Midir and Shira!
@sif72123 жыл бұрын
agreed
@slaveknightgael70173 жыл бұрын
Sounds awesome hopefully he does it
@moonchampion79993 жыл бұрын
Is this...what it's like to have an idea accepted by more than one person?
@FromsoftgoatKaj3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@marcoarana27733 жыл бұрын
@@moonchampion7999 it’s called being based son
@phantomkiller28473 жыл бұрын
My fave bit is the combo at 7:55 that guard breaks a serpent-man and one of the BKs rushes in with a charge stab to finish it off. AI really do have neat moments in this game
@Linkardion3 жыл бұрын
5:48 NK: Nothing personal kid.
@ToxicSoul033 жыл бұрын
*proceeds to be stunlocked*
@rexlumontad56443 жыл бұрын
@@ToxicSoul03 Damn that was brutal
@hippityhoppitygetoffmyprop10003 жыл бұрын
Black knights: *Now it just got personal*
@pouncelygrin66993 жыл бұрын
XD
@catt50573 жыл бұрын
black knights: no you *bonk
@jacobanderson82193 жыл бұрын
Should've included a smattering of the Silver Knights greatbow archers to counter the ranged axes and fire breath of the Man-serpents and the chain-greataxe variants. Maybe reduce the black knight numbers a little bit to compensate for such. In an AI battle, ranged attacks are king so far as support.
@christianlangdon37662 жыл бұрын
Yea if the storm drake decides to tank a bit since no head damage the chain boy and his goons would range spam them to death, the dragonslayer guys would also deal some damage or might get the storm drake away from the black knight horde. Also I feel the soul of cinder might be to random of a fight to properly be appreciated in many of these fights, being mage was super good, but he never did that again.
@Crowmanhunter3 жыл бұрын
Soul of Cinder was down there with this boys in the thick of things every step of the way. #CinderBro
@redbuttonradical74923 жыл бұрын
welp that first battle was one sided edit:the second fight was so hype when nameless king's wyvern died and disapointing when he died
@linux7503 жыл бұрын
Nameless King staring at us at the end of the video like "Who's next?!"
@therandomartist32013 жыл бұрын
At 5:50 god damn did those black knights go hyper mode and go all out!
@Jargolf863 жыл бұрын
Last Time i was this early Aldrich was still Human.
@DavXfire3 жыл бұрын
Alternative title: ghost rider and the boys vs super saiyan and his dragon wannabe snakes
@youngefaucet27133 жыл бұрын
The day you stop commenting “alternative title:” comments will be the day you die I swear
@DavXfire3 жыл бұрын
@@youngefaucet2713 will I?
@juancarrillob49883 жыл бұрын
@@youngefaucet2713 Vampires are immortal and more so if they are as gay as DIO
@BT-ob7ve3 жыл бұрын
WANNABEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@DavXfire3 жыл бұрын
@@juancarrillob4988 speaking facts there my guy
@NIRDIAN13 жыл бұрын
Love how after the Big Fancy Cutscene the Nameless King just gets COMPLETELY BODIED by the handful of Black Knights that were left standing with like 5% health...! Couldn't get out a single attack! (Get that POISE, buddy!)
@andyperez61053 жыл бұрын
I like how the dragon minions awkwardly walk away after watching their boss raging on a dead body lol
@Senpai_Sen3 жыл бұрын
BonfireVN... you're the real hero of 2020. All year long! when nameless king came in that was some straight out of game of thrones shit. Keep the content coming all 2021🙏🏽🍻 we'll be watching
@GuruSimpanzee3 жыл бұрын
7:20 watching nameless hit enemies from his dragon is awesome
@reximingan94203 жыл бұрын
6:16 Man like Gwyn had 5 Elite Knights, Chosen Undead has his own elite knights.
@MrMichealHouse3 жыл бұрын
The black knights really check every other enemy in the game. We need videos of 5 black knights testing every boss in the game.
@LibrarianOfLeng3 жыл бұрын
That Steam screenshot at 5:16. lmao
@juanig41983 жыл бұрын
We did it boys, thank you for this video now i have to found another thing to beg for in the future
@魏孟驍3 жыл бұрын
3:55 they are so cute as if they were chasing a hot-air balloon that just took off.
@gogoz_91923 жыл бұрын
Dad’s friends Vs kiddo’s friends
@Elviciozo3 жыл бұрын
-Human race: These last years have been really tough but hopefully things will get better in 2021... -2021: 5:56
@fullfist3 жыл бұрын
Hope not
@xaphan4523 жыл бұрын
If that happens to me at least I'll have a cool death.
@rhysofsneezingdragon17583 жыл бұрын
Guess op is psychic
@zombies51007 ай бұрын
Nameless King: "LORD GWYN, YOUR SON HAS RETURNED, I BRING THE DESTRUCTION OF LORDRAN-" *dies* Soul of Cinder: "Did you guys hear something?" Black Knights: "Nope."
@kylekillgannon3 жыл бұрын
This is the difference an effective leader can make.
@AndrewBrownK3 жыл бұрын
This is the difference thoughtfully applied AoE can make
@kiro2533 жыл бұрын
@@AndrewBrownK and bullshit hitbox
@cargaisontuba33613 жыл бұрын
7:56 nice sync the explosion break snake man guards and he gets killed by black knight, beautiful
@ryokiuzumasa80683 жыл бұрын
3:45 I've never seen the King of the Storm do that.
@dannyhefer67913 жыл бұрын
The camera never let you.
@BeholdABlackWolf3 жыл бұрын
The Abbyss Watchers should of been as aggressive and vicious as those Black Knights....
@BT-ob7ve3 жыл бұрын
The real strength of the bks is poise break though
@Nova-jw6ju3 жыл бұрын
So, I know dark souls AI isn't *that* advanced, but in round 2, SoC and the knights applied a pretty good tactic. They picked off all the serpents, not giving too much attention the the King of Storms. Once all opposing units were gone, they could take out the dragon and then just *punish* the Nameless King. Two words: Action. Economy.
@s8theninjawarrior9163 жыл бұрын
5:46 "That's gotta be the best Boss I've ever seen" incert he's a pirate music*
@teothegamer93403 жыл бұрын
So it would seem
@mirror8573 жыл бұрын
NK was stunlocked to literal death during the second round, that was bullying at this point. In the end, he won, so I’m happy lol
@shaneokeigan61503 жыл бұрын
1:10 “And this is why dragons win, dad.”
@thegk-verse42163 жыл бұрын
5:51 "Come again ?"
@HydragonofDeath3 жыл бұрын
6:27: meanwhile gael in the background *nervous sweating*
@chrislaverick64133 жыл бұрын
This might actually be better then the lord of rings war scenes
@reyadhrahaman77783 жыл бұрын
3:45 I have never seen King of the Storm use this move before. What a terrifying gust!
@davidnewhart25333 жыл бұрын
King of the Storm is extremely tanky when not hitting the head. King of the Storm: "You should have gone for the head."
@FlamingAtheist3 жыл бұрын
Gotta respect SOC for just rolling in so deep and fighting directly on the front with the boys that i couldnt tell him apart from them all
@kiro2533 жыл бұрын
Ikr...i cant see him at all ahahha
@WarriorofSunlight3 жыл бұрын
Watching the King of the Storm single-handedly fight Soul of Cinder’s whole team in round 2 was just epic.
@LionOfFeronia3 жыл бұрын
Thsi is a battle that will be spoken of for centuries
@poly_g60683 жыл бұрын
5:48 How about you take a seat, sir?
@alexaang98143 жыл бұрын
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?
@GeorgieBonsoir3 жыл бұрын
7:50 Watch here as Big Boss Soul of Cinder lays into the King of the Storm and finishes with a big fire AOE; this knocks away the guard of a serpent man, and with the tightest display of co-ordination ever seen, a black knight follows through on his bosses' attack and stabs the broken serpent man directly through the chest, finishing him, and then slams down on another man, finishing him too. Round 2 was canon for me.
@thewhiteknight99233 жыл бұрын
During a lifetime of battle, the nameless king had tamed a game camera, after which he absolutely ended every ashen one's whole career
@moonchampion79993 жыл бұрын
I know dam well that i'm not first. But it does not matter here. This battle happened. And I am happy.
@CrimePaint3 жыл бұрын
These make me want Totally Accurate Battle Simulator to have a Dark Souls DLC.
@charlietwoteas36763 жыл бұрын
King of the Storm is for me the hardest DaS3 boss by a mile and this vid really shows that. Almost every time I beat KotS I go on to beat Nameless. Nameless has genuinely killed me less times than Pinwheel and Covetous Demon (sloppy overconfidence on low level runs mostly to blame for that.)
@でべそマン3 жыл бұрын
5:53〜Nameless king 「No……wait…w…NOOOO!」
@teothegamer93403 жыл бұрын
At the second round the black knights were like FIGHT BACK N@GGA, FIGHT BACK N@GGA
@kiro2533 жыл бұрын
I mean..they are called BLACK knight...i dunno who ur actually calling nigga Heh...
@filippopingitore22103 жыл бұрын
2:12 look at that damage 😂
@robertkonrad32473 жыл бұрын
I like your videos and the cool beginning with the positioning of the armys.
@KaneDeathBreaker3 жыл бұрын
Looked like a young Baki the Grappler at the Nameless King cutscene lol.
@nickp39493 жыл бұрын
Dude you should make a Dark Souls movie. I know it would take a while, but you have a talent with this stuff man, you make these fights seem so cinematic.
@silverwave0103 жыл бұрын
WOOO you answered one my wishes 😭. *Still waiting on Dark Souls: Total War Day 8 of asking, 🥳🥳 let’s go lads!!
@KoscheiMorevna3 жыл бұрын
if only soul of cinder had the brain to use it's modes strategically, switching to trashy magic would actually be beneficial in this fight. but no, curved sword go swish swoosh.
@amelarose25463 жыл бұрын
I could imagine a [Darksouls: RTS Edition] but one difference in a typical RTS game that a unit just stand here and start smacking/swinging the sword without even bothering dodging or blocking instead they'll be more maneuverable, blocking, dodging, and Weapon arts to a specific unit.
@LothricPaladin3 жыл бұрын
SoC's lightning kill on King of the storm was epic
@xXwhitefangXx13 жыл бұрын
5:58 Fight back nigga fight back😂😭
@thicctoriasthedogwalker8153 жыл бұрын
I’m not gonna lie, the N.K looks fucking huge when he’s riding that dragon.
@bb-ce7qf3 жыл бұрын
Lol I love watching the SOS and knights run back and forth chasing the KOS while it's in the air.
@onion694203 жыл бұрын
I wonder when our phones would be able to run dark souls
@mikewebb73363 жыл бұрын
when Cinder shot the lighting bolt into the sky my favorite part
@ricecake35443 жыл бұрын
6:13 Me and the boys returning to the bully who talked shit about my mother
@jakefreas47943 жыл бұрын
I never expected to love watching these so much haha
@sunnyextraordinaire50653 жыл бұрын
The Serpent-Men are basically just the cannon fodder and distraction for the King of the Storm to be able to do its thing, where as the Black Knights are an actual threat along with Soul of Cinder. The Serpent-Men do tend to get a lot of damage in on the Soul of Cinder tho
@sunnyextraordinaire50653 жыл бұрын
I also noticed the Black Knights and Soul of Cinder seem to have a hard time actually hitting the King of the Storm
@Ett.Gammalt.Bergtroll2 жыл бұрын
3:55 And this is why they used bows to hunt dragons, heh.
@br3hbmc793 жыл бұрын
As soon as the king of storms started creme brule-ing everyone that was it
@adf2863 жыл бұрын
Lmao when the name king got ganked hard by those black knights 😂😂
@ricok77523 жыл бұрын
New Years and I’m watching this rn lmaooo HAPPY NEW YEARS TO ALL THE FALLEN ASHEN ONES...hehehehe...
@YaciThe12 жыл бұрын
*me playing ds2* : damn, this area is beautiful! *2 seconds later* : 5:56
@terencebc3 жыл бұрын
and there's a random naked dude watching all of this
@ashclaw23063 жыл бұрын
Watching this I wonder how brutal (and probably laggy) a three army battle royal would be.
@IntelligenceBuild3 жыл бұрын
I find it hilarious that some guy in his trousers is watching this duel of the gods
@theokayguy8133 жыл бұрын
Gale: "Hey guys, can you guys like go somewhere else? I'm trying to eat here."
@overgrownrover60333 жыл бұрын
3:43 This is the first time I see that attack... wow
@MrConley12510 ай бұрын
Gwyn sacrificed himself to link the flame BEFORE the Nameless King was exiled
@Defileros3 жыл бұрын
Incredible battle, congrats bonfire
@goncalocarneiro30433 жыл бұрын
Oh, how surprising it was that the army with the air raid boss and units with ranged options won, whooptidoo. I say in a sarcastic tone. Mayhaps an army of Black Knights with Silver Knight Archers mixed in would have faired better.
@zerobasedgod92913 жыл бұрын
bro just tell them win next time lol
@kamikaze41723 жыл бұрын
Here I thought adding an entire dragon was just unfair. Now I see that it's leveling the playing field. He couldn't even move, it was an endless stagger!
@SnoppleWopple3 жыл бұрын
this fight is amazing
@SeroGrave3 жыл бұрын
This needs to be the new intro to the next Dark Souls.
@the_wra1th6653 жыл бұрын
Now I understand why the king of the storm is lorewise there, cuz like, in the fight he’s useless cuz he’s more of an AOE spread attacker, so him paired with the nameless king (a superior single target attacker) are unstoppable
@edwinpritom63363 жыл бұрын
Round 1 = A Slaughter of Men. Round 2 = A Slaughter of Snakes. Round 3 = As even as even can be.