Soundproofing the ceiling with SAND?! Garden studio (part 4)

[@GosforthHandyman]

If you want more detail on this project, extended version of this video is on the Member Zone here: members.gosforthhandyman.com/soundproofing-ceiling/ 👍👍

[@smc_scooper]

The state of that professional's blocklaying makes me feel much better about the work I'm doing building my own workshop! Thanks for another great and informative video.

[@roberthardy2013]

I agree about the ‘professionals’ Andy, we did our block drive ourselves because of one, and also the fascia sand guttering because of another. We do most ourselves these days because we can usually get better results.

[@NorthernMonkeeUK]

Same experience here - during our renovation we hired "professionals" (recommended and not the cheapest) to fit one set of doors and to do our fascias, gettering etc... The doors we're ripping out and re-fitting ourselves because they bind even at the maximum adjustment (not to mention the holes they filled with blue roll then trimmed over), the fascias and gutterings - we're going to have to re-fit the guttering so it falls towards the downpipes rather than away from them.

[@peterswinson326]

I used sand for my studio many years ago, I poured dried sand into a 4 inch cavity between 2 sheets of 12mm ply, it worked quite well until the sand slumped down over time, I spent 3 days drying 2 tonnes of it out over a metal sheet which was on top of a fire pit, then was gutted when I discovered you can buy kiln dried sand a few weeks later :) I'be currently got a room inside a room studio which works really well, must do some videos about it one day

[@ryanpreiano1898]

That's awesome! I'd love to hear more

[@jacques7799]

The thing is: you get obsessed with sound reduction when you start with it. It is never enough. "Ok, it is better, but I still hear something". You instantly are far more aware of the sound that still remains. Know this from my own experience with a noisy appartement building. Anyway, great job, and your "noise" will be bothering no one. Cheers, Jacques

[@yasminfinlay8018]

Listening to your description of the problems you had to sort out "after the buiders had finished" - makes me feel a lot better about my experiances in Australia and India since 2018. I had two sets of renovations to do and I was begining to think that for some reason perhaps I was not clear enough with my instructions -- glad to know that I am not alone in ithe way things have turned out "after the builders" - I am still struggling with the "sorting out" process.

[@colingoode3702]

Subbed & liked. Some serious out of wack levels there & done by so called "professionals"! It does make you wonder about the skill levels of some trades these days. Must have been the same lot that installed a shower in the hotel room I stayed in the other night. I think we were the first guests to stay in the room after a recent re-fit. The glass shower screen was touching the wall at the top of the shower wall but it had a 10mm gap half way down the wall. No sealant in sight down the wall or between bottom of the shower screen & the shower tray!! My wife came out of the shower into what looked like a swimming pool of water right across the shower room floor which was nearly under the entrance door to the room & the corridor beyond. Luckily were were on the ground floor so no chance of flooding anyone underneath us but it makes you wonder what the hell the guys were on when they installed this & who signed it off. Reception were informed but they did not look too surprised which led me to believe that this was not the first complaint about the state of the rooms. BTW, this was not a cheap low end hotel but an up market old manor house in 50 acres of grounds. Looks like the cheapest quote got the job - again.

[@Marktb363]

Gee's you get through some work, and do it all so well! I have loads of basic DIY jobs to do but just can't make progress. I will try to use you as inspiration! You're a class act.

[@MartinBuhr]

Thanks so much for the helpful video! A couple of questions: 1. What is the brand and model of the sand filled panels you used? 2. How much do those panels weigh in their standard configuration? 3. How do you handle cutting holes in the panels for things like outlets without having all the sand drain out?

[@seanscott8125]

I have used the sound plaster boards and bars once before in a special needs school in blyth to make a music room. Think thay were 3 meter long and dam heavy. Double boarded on both sides ( 1 acoustic, 1 fire) and acoustic insulation. I could believe how much sound was stored.

[@pat_link_]

Great job; I like the proof of concept. Showing the live music playing

[@GosforthHandyman]

Cheers - yeah, seems to be going in the right direction!

[@henrygiann9735]

Good Morning from The Land Down Under... Great product that SBX... Back in the mid 80s, involved with some sound friends who were into sound in a big way... To add to their business they decided to build some sound and band music studios... All hands on board and the studios were built within a warehouse... Used the bessa blocks double skin per studio x 8 about 16 to 20 sqm each, with dual doors, one opening out the other in... We filled all the walls with sand, tons of sand... Great work... as always 👍🏻

[@yrification]

brill Andy. that aluminium insulation is awesome stuff. used it in my shed and the difference it makes is just crazy.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Yeah, the ceiling was noticeably warm to the touch after fitting it! 👍

[@jamesbruley2843]

I also bought a cheap drywall lift for a basement ceiling project, cheaper than renting it a couple of Saturdays. It worked great, I gave it to my son-in-law when finished, so now it's his problem to store.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Amazing bit of kit - might keep hold of it for future projects!

[@brentfrench752]

Well that looked like a lot of time consuming work! It does make a huge difference in the sound traveling outdoors. I’m blown away by how much difference soundproofing a roof can make!

[@cgavin1]

Amazing project. Every musician and audiophiles dream! I cannot begin to imagine the construction materials cost tho .. strewth. Probably more than my entire renovation budget hehe.

[@elliot8595]

So you screwed the heavy plaster board into the paper sand boards

[@SteveAndAlexBuild]

Fascinating stuff and so interesting too ! Alex and I could have built that room straight and square for you 😁🤙🏽🧱👍🏼

[@GosforthHandyman]

Cheers Steve! I know, wish I'd known about you guys back then - would have had you on this project in a flash! 👍😁

[@SteveAndAlexBuild]

@@GosforthHandyman 😁🤜🏽🤛🏽🧱👍🏽

[@justonemac]

nice video...shows me some places where I went wrong with my room. I had plans to do the ceiling, but that sand board is not available in my area. At the time of building, I just went with what I could to finish the build. My room sounds fine (simple 12x16ft room_), but I want to do more to the floor and ceiling with this process. My building is off the ground. Anyway, thanks for the video and info. Very informative....

[@Bettys_Eldest]

I had a ground floor flat with bowed ceilings. The previous owner had blocked up all the ventilation resulting in lots of condensation. The ceilings became soggy, then under the weight of the sand insulation began to sag and crack. To rectify the problem I screwed a layer of 1/2" ply to the joists, followed by plasterboard, and finally had the ceilings skimmed. Which also sorted out the problem of the artex ceilings, at the same time.

[@raydriver7300]

Such attention to detail. The Gosforth tidy man does it again. Err, Andy, can I borrow some of your tools. Please? 😂🌞

[@alexholmes6333]

I'm impressed with the volume difference!

[@GosforthHandyman]

Massive difference!

[@RobinLewisMakes]

Been planning out fixing my workshop ceiling, this video is absolute gold!

[@gingerelvis]

Obviously hard to accurately tell through a video but all in all sounds very impressive! Now if only I could soundproof my garden from the neighbours 😉

[@robthewaywardwoodworker9956]

Excellent work, Andy. Loads of work, but it's worth it in the end.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Cheers Rob! 👍👍

[@chateaudisco1436]

Oh I have sand in the walls and above the ceiling in my studio and it’s VERY effective!

[@spanishpeaches2930]

Used to be called ..pugging. At Hampton Court , back in the day, they used crushed shells.

[@michaelford7469]

Did I hear you say podcasts? Something in the plans? I miss “the measuring up” podcast, I still enjoy re-listening to episodes. Great episode as always!

[@GosforthHandyman]

Hopefully! 🤞

[@IanWoolcock]

This video makes me feel so much better about the outcome of my first attempt at block laying 😀

[@normanboyes4983]

Really interesting Andy, thank you for sharing. I recall the ‘troubles’ with the block work - did you get any redress?

[@GosforthHandyman]

Nah, no surprise but they went bust!

[@normanboyes4983]

@@GosforthHandyman Probably to evade CCJs.😉

[@TechOne7671]

Nice one. Well done. All the projects you are doing are all coming together nicely. All the best.

[@mandyleeson1]

Very impressive Andy. I’d be really interested to see how you made such a neat job with the foam insulation. It goes absolutely everywhere when I use it. Maybe a little video down the track? Or is it included on the Member’s zone vid? Cheers, Mandy.

[@Tom-Lahaye]

That works really well. I bought the same plasterboard lift but didn't use it yet. I'm happy to see you were very satisfied with it. As for the brickie's work, I do a better job doing it myself, albeit not as quick as a good professional brickie, my walls are straight, level and plumb!

[@jimmylad8714]

Every drummer is sound proof expert Andy 😂😂 keep drumming mate 👍👍

[@GosforthHandyman]

Yup, we get very used to dealing with noise! 😎🤘

[@jimmylad8714]

I had a go at the soundproofing years ago Andy with the Egg box foam and curtains but nothing as impressive as that sand board your using. It seems a really good product and the results looked amazing. When’s the Kit getting set up the ?? 👌👍

[@dooovde]

Quick question...how will you breath once you have everything sealed off? 🤔 I might have missed the ventilation bit

[@Benzknees]

What sort of washers/discs did you use to hold up the SBX board? There seems to be three different types, one serrated for tile backer board, one with a centre indent for insulation, and another slightly raised in the centre also for insulation.

[@CraveThatCoin]

I used those 15mm soundblock boards on my garden office ceiling. Did it alone with no lifter but boy looking back I wish I got one. In the end used screws to create some support to hold the boards in place. Hardest part of the build.

[@jusme2266]

I’m considering soundproofing my basement ceiling. So this is a great video to see how this works for you

[@roscopeco2000]

Are you gonna do any audio treatment on the inside? I watched a KZbin video and the difference it made to resianace was amazing

[@GosforthHandyman]

Probably - will see once it's finished.

[@colfergusson4242]

I hear ya on shoddy so called professional builders, I now live in Perth WA and this place is full off the same, I don't believe they know what a spirit level is, great videos on this awesome project 👍

[@DerekTJ]

I remember reading once, regarding soundproofing; there's nothing like shear mass to stop sound ‐ which got me thinking that a concrete block and beam roof would be an option. And not too costly neither. Loving the fusion btw! Or as my drummer mate calls it, LA mush.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Block and beam would probably be great! I'd do a concrete screed over it to fill all the gaps though. 👍

[@danielcarpenter1653]

Love it. As someone who is considering a garden build like this is it possible to get a cost breakdown once it’s complete?

[@davideyres955]

Sounds like the lot that built my house. The cavity gap is ok at the ground level but by the time it gets to the upstairs bathroom it’s down to about a centimetre. The plaster had sagged off the wall and the bottom of the wall was about 2 inches out from true and the screed is cracking and not level in the downstairs. I’ve been going through putting a list of things right and it’s taking ages and people say to me “just get a builder in”. Drives me up the wall. Not only do you have to wonder about the workmanship but also can you even get them to turn up! A good builder is worth their weight in gold.

[@awantamta]

That is pretty amazing so far.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Cheers bud!

[@TonyAFC85]

Love the black bench you have outside your studio. Do you have a link for that?

[@0-Will-0]

That microphone technique is interesting. Wonder if that could be a way to find air leaks vs smoke testing??

[@GosforthHandyman]

Potentially!

[@bikerchrisukk]

This is fascinating, 99% of the reason is you're not the seller of the products, but the end user 👍

[@kadiummusic]

What are you going to do about lighting? I'm planning a similar muisc room and I'm not sure what to about lights. 😎

[@sparte00]

Do you hear the rain on the roof when it's raining? Doing studio garden build with flat roof and worried about when it's raining heavily outside.

[@notreallyhere1136]

Watching you cut those boards was like a scene from one of those busted at customs programs 🤣

[@ashleyberry1116]

now there's an idea

[@TheHkluivert]

Impressive already!

[@JohnComeOnMan]

How are you going to handle the humidity in such a tightly sealed space? We exhale a lot of water vapor.

[@giles3000]

absolutely fantastic video, brilliant :)

[@freetolook3727]

The neighbors are going to appreciate all that soundproofing!🎶🎵🔊🔉🔈🔇

[@carliem9494]

Think your builder was the same one who built my extension! Had a 4-5 inch fall on one floor, anything you placed on it would roll quite freely into the corner. The worst bit though was that he failed to install cavity wall trays (passed by the building inspectors who presumably are a waste of money as they clearly don’t check for that!) - this failure however, brought the sitting room ceiling down Xmas Eve! (we’d had a decent amount of rain at that point)

[@gdfggggg]

Bet he was cheap?

[@Richardincancale]

Great video - good result!

[@GosforthHandyman]

Cheers! 👍

[@JR-el7et]

How did you attach the foil bubble wrap to the sand filled boards? I know you foil taped the edges but did you just staple the middles to keep them tight against the ceiling?

[@GosforthHandyman]

Double sided carpet tape. 👍

[@m215900]

Very impressive

[@tilerman]

That window wall would drive me crazy. I'm a tiler and recently tiled a bathroom and when i tiled the window wall (same dimensions as in this video) i stood back for a look, something was way out. Put my level on the tiles and they were bang on. Then i lined my laser level up on the new double glazed window profile and it was way out of level as the fitters had fitted the new window to the out of level lintel. Not obvious before the tiles went on but once tiles go on you get a reference line to which you 'eye' other lines. Looked awful. Oh, like this new system in this video and great work btw. Cheers

[@GosforthHandyman]

Yeah, was a nightmare. Thankfully will all be covered up. 👍

[@kausbeats]

Nice job! Keep it up.

[@jamesfarrer5087]

Is your studio door a solid core fire plywood door painted or is it something else?

[@jeanhawken4482]

Amazing outcome

[@davidgreen3723]

Yes, all good etc, but can I borrow your tools?

[@GosforthHandyman]

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[@gerrypower9433]

Any concerns about roof leaks causing a mess with the sand? Are you planning to add heating and/or cooling?

[@ricos1497]

I watched this one with the sound off. Amazing job. Although, I suspect it'd have been better if you got the professionals in.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Ha ha

[@home-space]

I am wondering why a vapour barrier is needed? Doesn't that seal the moisture in the room, rather than letting it out via vapour permeable materials. eg Roofing underlay is usually vapour permeable.

[@ComeWhatThey]

There's no such thing as a breathable flat roof covering so you want to avoid having moisture rise up into the roof structure as much as possible really. If it does then it'll have nowhere to go and can rot out the sheathing the roof is laying on. Loads of problems with incorrectly built flat roofs.

[@carllamb6711]

Wow I was well impressed with that That’s really good stuff 👍👍

[@GosforthHandyman]

Cheers - can't wait to get the door done!

[@carllamb6711]

@@GosforthHandyman I’m so impressed with all the hard work you & the Mrs have done mate. Well done 👍

[@mururoa7024]

Anything simultaneously heavy, dense and soft will soundproof. I understand that the height of the building is limited by code, but internally couldn't you dig out the floor to gain another foot or so?

[@ComeWhatThey]

Theoretically, but in the UK you'd just be asking for trouble with damp.

[@stu-po]

With a camera or two and a good big screen TV and windows really worth it for a studio space? Maybe for resale for a shed space but I don't see much value for a windows for a studio. Just me?

[@GosforthHandyman]

Want to be able to write, edit etc. while having the view down to the river.

[@richardphillips3303]

Very impressive...kudos to you 🙂

[@dfgdfg_]

Can you do a test before and after the last layer of soundbloc please? Edit: nevermind, it's finished!

[@davidfellowes1628]

When the Soundbloc boards are installed, the screw fixing penetrates the SBx board. In time will this not become an issue, with sand leaking out?

[@GosforthHandyman]

It's OK as long as you don't take the screw back out. 😁

[@davidfellowes1628]

@@GosforthHandyman Thanks. Makes sense but useful to know when you start a project.

[@Psychlist1972]

Nice. Like you said, there's no such thing as "soundproofing", just reduction. Despite the wonky layout, you started with the best thing you could: a separate building.

[@tyremanguitars]

very interesting, thanks for sharing!

[@GosforthHandyman]

No worries!

[@fredsmith6725]

Andy is that your music/ drum work? Nice.😀

[@GosforthHandyman]

No, unfortunately not. Royalty free stuff. 👍😎

[@mozu517]

@@GosforthHandyman always 💘 the music you select for your channel

[@Holdeenio]

Was that a cheeky LM400? 👀 🥁

[@GosforthHandyman]

Oh yes, well spotted! Not an old one though.

[@Bobrogers99]

You must have been angry when you found the walls so far out of line, but since you aren't in prison I guess you restrained yourself. Were you tempted to have them tear it down and do it again? Does this room have any form of ventilation?

[@GosforthHandyman]

Cheers Bob - it would have been a huge task to start again unfortunately. Ventilation, not at the minute but all will be explained soon. 👍😁

[@freetolook3727]

Building out of square? How did that happen to precision Andy??

[@GosforthHandyman]

I relied on someone else. 😂

[@davemaynard3826]

Are you able to have any comeback on the builders of the studio. If there were that many issues!!

[@GosforthHandyman]

No huge surprise but they went bust.

[@davemaynard3826]

@@GosforthHandyman I bet anything that you’d 100% have Alan the brickie build it

[@DlStreamnet]

Did you do a video on the cladding of this Andy? I have a Browns of Wem outbuilding (13m x 3m) that is tanalised wood structure but it is super ugly.

[@braddersj3511]

Yup, there is one

[@GosforthHandyman]

Yup, previous one in this series. 👍

[@tanyapavlova4758]

I wish I saw your video last year when I was doing this.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Hope yours all worked out!

[@MZ-tm1tw]

Why did you don’t build a double layer brick sealing same system as the walls. It will stop all sound without all the hassle of special material systems. Adding a bit of hight you can still have a drop down acoustic’s sealing under the brick concrete roof.

[@ourclarioncall]

How would you do that ? With block and beam ? Or a different method Thanks

[@charlescp1558]

Hi Andy Another great informative video! Completely off subject, is that an LED light panel on a mic stand? My daughter wants a similar light. Charles from Cramlington

[@GosforthHandyman]

Yup! amzn.to/3RK9MFm (affiliate link) 👍

[@RobertSandell]

The only definition of professional that I know of is "someone who gets paid for doing something" 🤓

[@topgazza]

Did I miss what was being done with lights ?

[@GosforthHandyman]

It'll be wall lights. 👍

[@FiscalWoofer]

Tin snip, four cuts in place very fast!

[@freetolook3727]

Andy is in shop, something happens, no one hears Andy's cries for help!😂

[@jacannon9147]

5mm out on each wall is well within tolerance and would be acceptable and hardly noticeable if that's the dims on the ceiling At Floor level it should be as per drawing and level and square

[@richardlock5839]

Worked on a flat recently that put up 2 of the blue boards with this floppy soundproof stuff you stuck between them - they were all screwed to a similar frame system which were bolted to the rafters - not next to them like yours - I’ve seen the ceiling since and it has cracked and looks good but it didn’t really soundproof it - the ceiling on a 2 bed flat was about 7-8k in materials 😂

[@GosforthHandyman]

Unfortunately there's a lot of companies out there doing this sort of work who don't really understand the core principles of soundproofing and acoustics. Don't do it right and it's money down the drain. 🙄

[@Joe90V]

Professionals? I sometimes wonder. Haven't found a plumber who can do his trade properly in 30 years. Trouble is, I haven't got the tools or the Gas certificate so stuck with them.

[@shephusted2714]

overwrought and sandy

[@Scientist538]

used to dread loading and tacking those bastard soundbloc 15mm's, try tacking 2 skins of that on a ceiling by yourself, its no wonder my back gives me trouble.

[@GosforthHandyman]

Lordy, they're over 40kg per board, not fun!

[@paulprescott7913]

Very impressive Andy. Keep resisting those awful shorts , as a grumpy old man i dont see the the point of them.

[@darren990]

you need to shout these pros out so other people don't get the same treatment as you did.

[@peterthebricky]

16mm out of level on the lintol seen worst the blocks under cill look like they have been disturbed

[@GosforthHandyman]

The doorway is 26mm out of plumb.

[@peterthebricky]

@@GosforthHandyman guess how 30 mill phill got his nickname

[@andymccabe6712]

@@GosforthHandyman shouldn't mock but.....a bricky who can't spell lintel - couldn't make it up ........!!!

[@firesurfer]

I had a super complain my saddles were 1/8'' out of level over 30 foot. I had to redo them. The marks left by the surveyor were 1/8 thick.

[@peterthebricky]

@@andymccabe6712 You’ll ‘ave to forgive me I passed O level english back in 76 , 40 odd years on site has reduced my ability to spell I thought spelling nazis only lived on twitter , keep up the good work mate

[@andrewwilson3663]

Great news. Every wall has a different resonant frequency. Always try and make a positive out of a negative eh?

[@sozifilied]

The builders just wanted to improve the soundproofing by making none of the walls parallel 😁

[@frankderks1150]

Non-parallel walls by accident actually not bad for acoustics!

[@GosforthHandyman]

Yeah, could actually work in my favour! 😂

[@runamonk]

If I want it crooked, I'll do it myself! LOL

[@LegSpinna]

Can I borrow your mitre saw?

[@GosforthHandyman]

No gosforthhandyman.com/product/t-shirt-borrow-tools/ 😎