South African coloured or American colored? Or Black? Tyla has given us a conversation

[@janomesteve3129]

I'm proud of Tyla Proud to be a coloured Proud 2 be South African Proud 2 be African

[@Shiva-nx1tn]

Proud 5 : She is also Half Indian

[@StuckUpColouredzaza]

​@@Shiva-nx1tnBoth her parents are coloured.

[@Shiva-nx1tn]

@@StuckUpColouredzaza what his Dad Mixed With I will wait For It

[@leszjacobs1637]

I'm a South African Coloured person and a proud one at that. We have our own culture , distinct mannerism and language (95% of us are bilingual). But we are Africans first , just like black , white and Indian South Africans. Create video by the way. Hope our American friends can see our side of this. Because we fully understand there's. ❤

[@OffensiveThoughts213]

This is why I made a video to explain what colored means in south Africa kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZrHe2h7Z6-UhLMsi=89sKLBtkC8MYApJ6

[@codygaskin9637]

Being coloured now is a term that defines a collective culture. It may have started with race, but after years of racial segregation, the coloured culture has developed into its own real thing. Being black refers to a collective struggle against white suppression. Steve Biko explained it well in his book "I write what I like".

[@Scar_7.62]

Being politically black didn't turn out to well . Reality is coloureds are second class black .

[@ryanvandermerwe5587]

"Bruinous, bruinous.... We are the main ous" - Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[@Gerrardboss-v2g]

No , just second class blacks

[@Fredrick14954]

I just love how you put it all in the right perspective! Right on point! I feel you. I'm from Belize, a melting pot country, Caribbean Central American. A million shades of ..... grey?!!

[@jeffrey-Epstein00]

Belize is in central America not the Caribbean

[@mrlouization]

@@jeffrey-Epstein00 They didn’t say Belize is in the Caribbean. SMFH🤦🏽‍♂️

[@sizla8837]

😂😂😂😂Rubbing the truth in ones face......Thanks Mr Goldstone😊

[@Cper2000]

South Africans don't explain yourselves to Americans or anyone else, finish en klaar! Enough of this nonsense!

[@msrubie11]

Cpernaum You're right, keep it in South Africa or wherever you use it. You're not bring it to Black America we don't accept it here. Tyla shouldn't call herself Black. That's not who she is. Let's face it NO AFRICANS, called themselves Black until a few years ago, it seems to be a POLITICAL AGENDA. The only people who call themselves BLACK around the world LEGALLY are Black Americans! But if you want to do business in the Music Industry in the U.S. and called yourself and highlight the world COLOURED, it's not going to happen in the U.S. and possibly you need to take you and your music where it is accepted!

[@sanmak3283]

Very well put 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾❤

[@janomesteve3129]

U are speaking facts brother

[@JaphtaKhoza-hq9um]

Well Said Brother ..

[@jacquelinerodriques5555]

Thanks for your explanation I could not say it better😊

[@LM-rg9lj]

Way da go Carvin...mature analysis...

[@durbanpoison031]

Facts bro They got no idea

[@Shiva-nx1tn]

She is more Indian than anything her father is fully Indian while her mother is Mix

[@nazj4694]

Both parents are Coloured. In a nutshell Coloureds are of African, European and Asian descent

[@Shiva-nx1tn]

​@@nazj4694nope her father is fully Indian from Mauritius .Mauritius itself Is 70% Indian racially

[@janomesteve3129]

​@@nazj4694Her dad is fully Indian

[@nazj4694]

@@janomesteve3129 You're wrong but ok.

[@GraysonBothma-f1y]

​@@nazj4694Hi people what did SHE HERSELF SAY SHE SAID SHE IS COLOURED! SO SHE IS COLOURED STOP ARGUING OK

[@jdQuinnn]

Best,best comments on this issue.Fullstop,pens down,leave the classroom.Baie dankie broe.

[@MJ31579]

Great point on Europe and Asia.

[@ginzuryrbd]

Very well said

[@Afripol]

smart analysis. Slavery, colonialism and apartheid mentality must be grounded for liberty to live.

[@natalieac8409]

Thank you!

[@mendizim]

Mostly right but identity is not a European or white construct. People did that everywhere from day dot. The differentiated for reasons of conquest and security. I am coloured from Zimbabwe, In the UK and most places I am black but even my black experience is not the same as for an example Africans with obviously African names (mine isn't) In some circumstances, I comparatively have doors opened, in others I have doors shut. I prefer the nuance of coloured or bi-racial because it acknowledges my whole being, my mixed heritage instead of trying to ignore it to use the monolith of "Black" which comes from a more insidious motivation of trying to prevent interracial relationships through the One Drop Rule enforced in America by racists that is now whole embraced by us as black people. I take comfort in the fact that one day everyone will be coloured/mixed race maybe that will save us from people clinging to their racial identity as a means of validation. Tyla should be allowed to embrace her heritage and indeed her culture because colured in Southern Africa goes way beyond colour it is an actual culture.

[@MarijaJonic]

On point,Europe is just peninsula of EurAsia,on point! Question is why Europeans,us Caucasian folk don't consider Japanese as white, cause they are whiter than us,Us in South Europe,We are not white as peace of paper either, having melanine makes Your skin young longer, it's good adaptation.

[@speculatorsaul9872]

Ay Carvin, this whole social construct thing got us shoe laced (non South African context - when you tie your shoe laces there is an intertwining through the loop and a criss crossing that is basically used as a metaphor to describe a state of incoherence & confusion). So if we can all agree that we are African based on the shared continental location, we have our Arab brothers up North Africa that don’t consider themselves as Africans but rather as Arabs. They will fight tooth and nail to keep that distinction, yet they are geographically part of Africa. Also, all these borders that divided Africa into 54 countries. The laanies (colonial masters) met at the Berlin Conference in Germany and they decided where borders would be drawn. So to fix our identity we need to get rid of those social constructs like borders because they are imaginary lines. Why are we shedding blood in Africa to protect imaginary lines that someone else imagined for us? 😅 Cheers to breaking the molds of social constructs 🍻

[@OffensiveThoughts213]

This is why I explained in my video, what it means to be colored in south Africa I dislike when people say we half black and half white...kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZrHe2h7Z6-UhLMsi=89sKLBtkC8MYApJ6

[@Arti-iChi]

I don't Europeans decided ro call us all Africans.. what I noticed is that people from Africa want to be called Africans and not by their nationality... and as you mentioned not all countries in Africa have the same characteristics, culture,religion and features/skin tone...

[@Gerrardboss-v2g]

Coloureds in the new SA are SECOND CLASS blacks . They got the" bruin ous" unders !!!!???

[@famousmwofficial8046]

africa is the same landmass as both europe and asia since you could say there isnt really any rivers seperating us the only people not on our land mass are australians and americans

[@deanpeters7915]

I was listening to Candace Owens (a black American woman - podcaster) talking about having a "bi-racial" baby because her husband is white. Should her baby not also be "black"? Bottom line, in America if you not white, you black or Asian... and they even call Jamaican's "African-American". I think they confused. Take comfort though.. one day we will all be one nation :)🤣

[@nikilandella]

Okay but Candace Owen's is a mampara. I mean we can argue about other things with our Afro-Amer brothers, but aseblief lets not do that to them... she even denied racism during the BLM stuff... I agree on what you are saying Candace is a grade a Mampara of note.

[@BeckyG941]

Question. What about white South Africans? Are they not African?

[@Zanie234]

No, they aren't. They are descendents of the Dutch and the British.

[@BeckyG941]

@Zanie234 but what if they've lived there for multiple generations? That's like saying African Americans are not Americans cause their descendants are from Africa?

[@quintonrsa___]

White africans 👍

[@BeckyG941]

@@quintonrsa___ We call ourselves White South Africans if anyone wants to know. Or otherwise just South African. Anyway, Tyla is killing it, so proud of her!

[@quintonrsa___]

@@BeckyG941 it’s like black people from America. Their ancestors originate from Africa but they grew up in America

[@StreetCornerFilmsAndTV]

Wow 🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡💯❤️

[@royaltydeal1441]

I think we all can agree that coloured is not a race based on genetic origin and we also can agree that BLACK is not a Race based on genetic oringin, because both words have absolutely no meaning besides the complexion of a person's skin. BLACK is truly African American ethnic culture; However, being AFRICAN/AFRO-DESCENT holds genetic consistency in terms of place of origin and both Tyler and African Americans are both Afro-descendents, but the issue with that is African Americans HATE being called African and Tyler on the other hand is Accepting of her African descendancy because she is clearly African, because you can see she share many of those features & Talents. the point im making is, AFRICAN is our RACE in terms of genetic origin and genetic families that have originated on the continent of Africa, "NOT BLACK", black is not our race. I am Afro-Caribbean, and if African Americans would Accept their Africanity as being apart of the original people of the planet, we would have no issue with Tyler calling herself Colored, because at the end of the day, She is still Afro-descent or Afro-asiatic because of her father being indian, and people, Please don't use the non sense example of ELON MUSK also being African, ELON MUSK is born African by legal right, but he is not African by genetic origin. ELON MUSK IS EUROPEAN CAUCASIAN BY RACE AND GENETIC ORIGIN

[@maxvendome8662]

DAMN. This is an interesting take. Thank you.

[@royaltydeal1441]

@@maxvendome8662 thank you for having a open mind about my comments

[@famousmwofficial8046]

if elon musk isnt african the neither is tyla if she has 50% indian genes she isnt really as african as you say she is.

[@royaltydeal1441]

@@famousmwofficial8046 being 50% African by genetics is very significant. I don't even see how you can even make some sort of comparison between tyla and elon musk, as if your implying tyla is just as much african as elon musk, which would make you an idiot if your even implying that in any sense.

[@famousmwofficial8046]

50 percent indian. not black african she is indian then african based on how you worded your previous comment which i initially replied to unless youre to idiotic to read through your own words?@@royaltydeal1441

[@MalaKuppan-x3h]

I'm a south African there no race 😮😮😮😮😮

[@mxhosamesiya5117]

u are not black dude u are coloured wether in space china or in a tiolet

[@ShamelSeldon]

His skin color is black 🤷🏾‍♂️. Black (colored ) African

[@janomesteve3129]

Brown

[@leszjacobs1637]

Yes, legally in South Africa he is Coloured. But we should be considering the international view when we travel abroad.

[@Afripol]

@@leszjacobs1637 Yes Tyla is colored in South Africa but BLACK in USA and UK.

[@Scar_7.62]

​​brown skinned coloured . Black se moer