I’ve flown this approach many times into Phoenix. At the beginning of the video the flight crew is on a 180° heading. First turn is left to 135° to enter the pattern (At 0:44 you can see the Phoenix Sky Harbor Airpot in the bottom right corner). The next turn is a continuous right turn to 225° to intercept the localizer. Once the localizer was captured, they were above the glide slope so they performed a couple S-turns to lose altitude to capture the glide slope. Once captured, you will notice the crew pulls the flaps in one notch. Then they are stabilized for the 2-mile final of the approach. Hand flown, no autopilot. Excellent job.
@darrenmushkin30493 жыл бұрын
Thank you! It was really helpful to hear the sequence of events captured from a pilot experienced with this approach!
@Andrew-135793 жыл бұрын
Why not use the speed brakes and point the nose down more? I’m not saying you’re wrong, just asking. ...and it didn’t look harsh to me, just a couple extra turns. Fun. :) Nice, steady, clear video, though.
@mikeab933 жыл бұрын
@@Andrew-13579 wouldn't it be cool if they could do a tactical approach. When Alaska used to fly the DC9 into Tucson they would do something similar, speed brakes and point it down. I enjoy that.
@janicesullivan89423 жыл бұрын
Lived in Arizona. Flew many times into SkyHarbor the same way, not scary, flying into OKC is HARSH with a high wind. Beautiful airport in Phoenix. Love Oklahoma, but miss Arizona.
@whenisaywhoaimeanwhoa34193 жыл бұрын
@@Andrew-13579 That’s a great question. On the B737, the speed brakes/spoilers are on the top of the wing. When deployed, they create drag along with some loss of lift on the wings which at lower speeds is not good. When you are needing to descend quickly from a higher altitude, speed brakes work well because of the higher speed you can afford to lose some lift and be okay. If you are on final at a slower speed, slats/flaps are deployed to create additional lift at the slower speed. If you also deployed the speed brake, you will be countering the action of the additional lift. In fact Boeing recommends speed brakes not be deployed below 1,000 ft. Another secondary consideration is passenger comfort. Speed brakes cause buffeting which can make some passengers uneasy. If will also cause a slight negative G situation when you push the nose over, which will also make some passengers uncomfortable. Not to mention the noise created above areas with noise abatement rules. Hope that helps.
@keghinian3 жыл бұрын
This is not a harsh turn, this was a maneuver to get aligned in the glideslop for "smooth landing" this pilot flew this plane flawlessly in my opinion.
@mikehunter14833 жыл бұрын
Negative. Those are called S- turns. Pilots will use this tactic to lengthen their approach so traffic may vacate the runway before they get to it so they won’t have to go around. It was a hand flown approach they’re not concerned about the glide slope in this situation
@roberthollander45223 жыл бұрын
Definitely S turns to accommodate traffic ahead or departures . . . and those were definitely hand-flown.
@frhwebmaster3 жыл бұрын
As they always are. This is the only time really that pilots get to fly with full control. The pilot is having fun in his holding pattern. 👍
@roberthollander45223 жыл бұрын
@@frhwebmaster Try flying a Learjet routinely into a high-volume flight training airport . . . you get REALLY good at flying S-Turns and approaching at Vref . . . :-)
@sonnyburnett87253 жыл бұрын
OH Geez! You guys are something.
@mikecowen65073 жыл бұрын
That was a last minute runway change. They were cleared for the north side, but their gates are on the south side. ATC was able to get them on the south side making their life easier and greatly reducing taxi time. Happens pretty often here.
@jayw.53083 жыл бұрын
Flying into PHX is always fun. The times I have anyway, always some turns and some small bumps, beautiful scenery. Nice video!
@tsf5-productions3 жыл бұрын
I have flown on Southwest several times and felt that they, along with literally all major airlines, have done pretty good in their skill of landing the passenger planes. I have a brother-in-law that was a pilot with them for 20 years...always a professional in any of the planes he has flown of various types in some 50 years of flying. Phoenix is one of my favorite places to visit with several relatives living around there. I like the Sky Harbor Airport.
@tomgates3163 жыл бұрын
Remember flying in there on business trips. Go a block west to the car rental. Get a car and drive back to the lot in front of the main door. About a 150ft walk to get inside. And get my Haagen Dass ice cream inside the door while the other couple folks in the group got the bags together. Long before the eastern bldg add on.
@kenclark98883 жыл бұрын
I love how people who don’t know what’s really going on describe things in aviation
@paulgooding8038 ай бұрын
Oh brother ain't it the truth. Not an aviation topic goes un harmed ever especially on YT channels. Don't take anything for granted on YT .... large grains of salt required daily.
@NealB1233 жыл бұрын
That's a fascinating little video. It's amazing how much the plane responds to very small movements of the control surfaces. The plane banks left and right but the aileron barely moves at all.
@Andrew-135793 жыл бұрын
I think the “roll spoilers” are doing most of the roll control for banking. They are the rectangular panels ahead of the flaps that raise up. Spoilers have a few uses: alternately on left or right wing for roll control to assist the ailerons; together, in flight to reduce speed and/or altitude; and after landing to provide drag and put downward load on the main wheels to reduce tendency to bounce into the air again and increase braking force without skidding.
@brandoncenteno18342 жыл бұрын
just how aerodynamics work. the faster the plane is flying through the air the less deflection is needed to generate the same force. at slow speeds (near landing), they have to deflect more (hence the spoilers aiding in roll commands).
@SparkyMcBiff3 жыл бұрын
Seriously amazing video. Thank you for focusing on the changes in the wing configuration throughout the whole approach!
@Thunder_Dome453 жыл бұрын
Neat my favorite part of what flights I was on was the coming in for a landing back to the ground, where I belong.
@cwhitman4 жыл бұрын
That was not a harsh turn in my opinion
@jwhoward1823 жыл бұрын
You’re a weenie if you think this is “harsh” - I do not work for SWA, but am a pilot. These are S turns for spacing and you can either do them or go to the back of the line and land 30+ minutes later.
@darrenmushkin30493 жыл бұрын
This video was from 3 years ago before I was a pilot. Today, I am a private pilot and I understand that these are not harsh turns. I was going to change the title but then 90% of the comments wouldn’t make sense
@jwhoward1823 жыл бұрын
@@darrenmushkin3049 You can always do: [Edit] 2021-03-08 - I am enlightened and now I know there is much more to being a proficient pilot, yada.
@darrenmushkin30493 жыл бұрын
@@jwhoward182 Will do
@greenemonger3 жыл бұрын
Flew out of and back to PHX nearly every Monday and Friday for 10 years!
@pskully573 жыл бұрын
I like when the door opens and it’s like 1000 degrees.
@karlhungus15693 жыл бұрын
Ya, but it’s a dry heat...
@marcathens29513 жыл бұрын
Too hot. They can have it 👎
@harmanchauhan3574 Жыл бұрын
Love the HIGH DEFINITION video quality!
@scottmitcheltree41823 жыл бұрын
Appears the flight deck crew was killing a little altitude. The landing (in my experience) was spot on.
@mehmetokay70733 жыл бұрын
That was actually quite beautiful.
@flatlander473 жыл бұрын
Those are pretty normal turns. I don't know how you think this almost turned into a go-around. It was a pretty routine landing.
@rkgsd3 жыл бұрын
I'm old enough to remember when airliners didn't have winglets Still trips me out seeing that.
@Jleed9893 жыл бұрын
Me too. Flown on DC 8s and 707s
@dpm-jt8rj6 жыл бұрын
Looks to me like they were performing S's for spacing. Nice video though.
@darrenmushkin30496 жыл бұрын
dpm1982 I didn’t even think about that until I saw your comment.
@dpm-jt8rj6 жыл бұрын
I also believe he/she turned left off Rwy 26 at B7 (the 5:06 mark shows them turning onto Twy C at C7 which is across from B7) and if that is the case, they only used about 5,700 feet of runway. That was an awfully smooth landing guys.
@darrenmushkin30496 жыл бұрын
dpm1982 Another good catch. They were probably instructed by ATC to get off the runway as soon as possible for another incoming arrival.
@dpm-jt8rj6 жыл бұрын
AirTravel1583 A few decades ago, on the north side of the field between Twy A and Air Ln was a business that I believe was a restaurant. It is where Embry Riddle is located. They had an upper, outside deck where people could go and watch airplanes land and take off. The times I was there the airport was configured for approaches to Rwys 26 and the 25s. WN (Southwest) were still all in their Desert Gold Livery livery and we would all laugh at the flying hot-dogs.
@darrenmushkin30496 жыл бұрын
It's so hard for me to remember the days of that desert gold livery. Canyon blue has always been one of my favorite liveries and the new heart one I actually have a bit of a disliking for. As for the restaurant, although I have never been there myself, I've heard about it from multiple people and to this day I wish I had been able to go.
@mikeab933 жыл бұрын
If you previously considered these harsh turns, fly into Tucson. They do a lot of s turns when landing to the east. I think they are fun. And if you really want to see what a harsh turn feels like try a Lemon Creek departure out of Juneau.
@Andy10763 жыл бұрын
Smooooooth! Sharp but so smooth the turns, I experienced this too on a return from the Philippines with PAL and it gave me some really fun angles to film. 😀
@fanussmit94413 жыл бұрын
You almost persuaded me in believing this was real. Best flightsim graphics I ever encountered. Well done
@sjoldtimer3 жыл бұрын
I have flown into that airport several times over the years. Nothing unusual about this approach. Sometimes, people think they are on the only plane in the sky around a very busy airport like this one.
@athiesen23 жыл бұрын
That is an arrival procedure. The route the pilot inbound is not optional. It gets assigned by ATC and you fly it. There is nothing harsh about the turns or approach. That looks like a stabilized approach. Unless you have x-ray vision you have no way of telling if they were "lined up".
@patricksnead65463 жыл бұрын
Wow! Really peeling off some altitude on those turns!
@jaimecruz56087 ай бұрын
I flew this weekend to phoenix with frontier and same patter it was cool can’t wait to fly back to phoenix from slc was good turns
@6699Jackie3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, i have been to Sky Harbor a few times from London, UK Scottsdale is a great place
@onepocketpaddy3 жыл бұрын
so, 40 degree banks bother you, don't look outside. Bet you the pilot is ex-navy, just remembering how it was to make tight turns onto the boat. Now you all know how that felt. be grateful......no extra charge for the fun ride.....
@carddealer343 жыл бұрын
Nothing like coming in over Scottsdale, then over Tempe.
@jasonbossert88213 жыл бұрын
Those two cities are beautiful
@rodmalone483 жыл бұрын
It’s a beautiful sight coming into Phoenix-Scottsdale into Sky Harbor and see all the swimming pools. Didn’t like the turbulence from the winds over New Mexico though
@tammiea85523 жыл бұрын
It amazes me that something that heavy can fly.
@cnvi085 ай бұрын
S turns are normal to get on the localizer. Hand flown perfectly done.
@jamieshaffer64933 жыл бұрын
Very smooth landing. Much better than I, myself could do! 😂
@rkgsd3 жыл бұрын
Landscape mode. Good work!
@dub2967 Жыл бұрын
Did i see a flap 40 to 30 on final app? Exciting!
@kdkeiser84382 жыл бұрын
When do the "harsh turns " happen? Maybe trying to burn off speed. ATC is aware... take it easy.
@djar633 жыл бұрын
It appears he's making S turns to put more distance between him and the airplane in front of him to avoid having to make a go-around. By FAA regulations the plane in front of him has to exit the runway before he can land. I have done the same thing many times.
@edblevins87643 жыл бұрын
Nice video, but I didn’t see any harsh turns, a few S turns for spacing but nothing unusual. Southwest is a good airline to fly with!
@brantphillips91336 жыл бұрын
the always sunny phoenix skies
@ElAye3 жыл бұрын
Thank You for posting this bcuz I hv a question for commercial pilots or those in the know. At 1:30, when this 737 begans a right turn followed by a left one, exactly what is making the plane turn other than the rear rudder? I was specifically looking for an aileron ..a flap.. or something that would roll the plane into a right or left turn as the animations always depict. What am I missing?
@darrenmushkin30493 жыл бұрын
It’s sort of hard to see, but the aileron at the end of the wing is very slightly moving up and down. Depending on the rate you are changing the banking angle, the ailerons sometimes don’t have to move very much for the plane to turn. Hope this helps!
@styxfan40223 жыл бұрын
Any landing that you can walk away from is a good landing.
@SI-lg2vp3 жыл бұрын
Just another day in the life for a SWA pilot trying to loose altitude to get on profile for landing. Their pilot skills for hand flying are the best in the airline business. They are the best because they preform more takeoffs and landing per miles flown than any other major airline.
@christopherhadsell90493 жыл бұрын
I think they do a number of turns when ATC gives them "vectors," i.e., modifications (traffic, etc) to the STAR (Standard Terminal Arrivals). KPHX is a rather busy airport, so I rather imagine vectors can be pretty common, especially during times of heavy traffic.
@utah1333 жыл бұрын
They'll sometimes snake around just to lose altitude before lining up on the approach.. Especially if they were told to stay high for traffic.
@marktwain35312 жыл бұрын
X-Plane 12 be lookin great.
@Tracks7777 жыл бұрын
Good video!
@darrenmushkin30497 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@darrenmushkin30494 жыл бұрын
Sorry I haven’t gotten around to uploading. I have more videos and will be posting them shortly.
@joelt44166 жыл бұрын
at 3:24 he brought flaps back to 30
@darrenmushkin30496 жыл бұрын
Joel T I didn't even notice that until I saw your comment. Great catch!
@joeyccs6 жыл бұрын
First time I have ever seen that
@denflyer8326 жыл бұрын
Yeah, interesting. I too have never seen that.
@dpm-jt8rj6 жыл бұрын
Joel T You're right, I didn't notice that either.
@delta_50885 жыл бұрын
He probably had to slow down, but then due to noise restrictions, ended up having to bring them back up.
@vzsn2 жыл бұрын
7:28 Plane Race
@SPEAKEASYAZ48953 жыл бұрын
Coming in from the east,theres Camelback mtn. Glad I moved up north 15 yrs ago.
@shannoncagle3 жыл бұрын
Great Video!
@ffbrnsie3 жыл бұрын
Normal for Phoenix flown there twice same thing. Kinda fun
@Jimmypagesgreat Жыл бұрын
I wonder why the pilots raised the flaps up a bit during the approach
@tweetyt18773 жыл бұрын
These were not harsh turns. They were standard. The S turns were made for traffic separation.
@bak28123 жыл бұрын
Been there done that flying into Phoenix on SW!
@jmcfarlandjr3 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@hungrydev65193 жыл бұрын
Butter landing and smooth af. I luv southwest if u don’t like this company go fly on Ryanair they’ll change your mind ;)
@Torontotootwo3 жыл бұрын
Looks like fun to me!
@robertbierman24823 жыл бұрын
Normal approach into PHX! For you non- pilots, you would be surprised to see how much the pilot flying is moving the control wheel to maintain altitude and glideslope. Hard to appreciate without doing it or seeing it!
@johndifrancisco36423 жыл бұрын
This is why I always sit by a window. Thanks.
@kijotiso45944 жыл бұрын
Great landing! Where was the applause?
@irishus993 жыл бұрын
Americans typically don't applaud upon landing.
@joyvelleenerlan29963 жыл бұрын
We landed in PHX once in a dust storm wasn’t this “harsh”
@markfrancis89783 жыл бұрын
All I can focus on is the people coughing.......oh how times have changed, lol.
@noiseman19863 жыл бұрын
beautiful view
@CraigArndt3 жыл бұрын
Flaps 40 and then 30 on final.
@janeordway48413 жыл бұрын
Looks like the plane was coming in from the north following the 101 into Sky Harbor. Just wants me to step into 100 plus weather Good times..
@chuckeberth43703 жыл бұрын
Nothing harsh about the turns. Looked like standard 20 and 30 degree S turns.
@bigdofba3 жыл бұрын
It looks like the plane is turning much sharper than it really is when you’re looking out the window.
@jasonbossert88213 жыл бұрын
Anyone know the heading route of the flight path? Was east coast to phx or west to east into phx
@Stafford-d8u3 жыл бұрын
Even though the turns look steep they were probably less than 25degrees
@Me373683 жыл бұрын
Before watching i already know there will be nothing harsh at all
@ronwade54333 жыл бұрын
Runway 260 degrees is four different runways, four big ones, 3 north of the Salt River and now one south of the Salt. Not unusual to have a runway change.
@paulgooding8038 ай бұрын
Sky harbor has three runways: 8/26 and 7L/25R and 7R/25L. This config has not changed for years.
@s4dg Жыл бұрын
*bank angle* *bank angle*
@tyrekknowles82495 жыл бұрын
My Southwest Airlines flight did the same thing harsh turns but we had to go around a few times
@rangerdanger87463 жыл бұрын
Just saw Papago golf course.
@PolPotsPieHole3 жыл бұрын
Shouldnt ailerons be doing something when they turn like that, is that all rudder control when they bank like that
@TyTanium12943 жыл бұрын
If you look at the outer edge of the aileron, you can see it moving a little bit. If you watch the spoilers at 2:39 , you’ll also see them come up a little at various times to assist the up aileron, to help lower the wing. This is done automatically via a device called the spoiler mixer. This prevents over stressing the wing because the aileron has such a long arm (distance from fuselage). No rudder use.
@PolPotsPieHole3 жыл бұрын
@@TyTanium1294 wow thanks, interesting, makes more sense to me now, thanks again
@TyTanium12943 жыл бұрын
@@PolPotsPieHole anytime👍. Take care!!
@CaptainStevenMarkovich5 жыл бұрын
Nice video great color 👍. Subscribed
@cmr583 жыл бұрын
Awesome great stuff!
@ChristianT.3344 жыл бұрын
I could only think of two words while watching the turns. Bank Angle.
@DPNP-ls7ro3 жыл бұрын
7:26 You can tell we aint living in 2020 no more. The comment section would be louded with max 8 references 😄
@eurouc5 жыл бұрын
Mmmmm .... not to be a spoiler... it looked pretty conventional. Take a look at DCA or LGA if you want to see some real nail biting final turns on approach
@airbornemusician29994 жыл бұрын
Jim Allen The Potomac River visual is one of the most unique approaches I’ve seen. They just follow the river to the airport and make a last-minute turn on short final.
@mjl1966yАй бұрын
One of those turns was more than 30 and they were not stable at 1000 ft. Not impressed.
@invinciblesummer3 жыл бұрын
Not a "harsh" turn. Normal base to final glide slope. Nothing to see here but click bait.
@jdhiner13 жыл бұрын
Runway change on final
@mattthompson84875 жыл бұрын
S turns for spacing
@scottpool47773 жыл бұрын
Yeah really very nice I am planning on going to I’m America Philippines that’s all I wanna do is go back to the Philippines with my kitty cat great job guys awesome👍👍👍👍
@extremerecluse20953 жыл бұрын
Standard rate turns performed by the auto pilot
@derekhall20793 жыл бұрын
Just call it added fun to the flight.
@johnh25273 жыл бұрын
"FAA Has Not Effectively Overseen Southwest Airlines' Systems for Managing Safety Risks" US Dept. of Transportation, Office of the Inspector General, 2/11/20
@carolynsteed36494 жыл бұрын
SWA has the best pilots, the reason I only fly SWA!!!!!
@robertsadler12754 жыл бұрын
snake in approach for spacing!
@captianviv35934 жыл бұрын
the plane descended so fast
@demonhalo674 жыл бұрын
Never a cloud in sight in Phoenix over the summer.
@emodrmmr0073 жыл бұрын
you call this harsh turns??? omg you have got to be kidding! try doin a 5G turn (90 degree bank) right then left, then slowdown enough to make ya feel like you're gonna go thru the glare shield. oh yeah...this is not a fighter jet
@carpetcowboy585 жыл бұрын
7:40 My 2 favorite airlines.
@JMAC-rs6ey3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and ur support
@lewishlyd4 жыл бұрын
hey. Do you have a business email or just an email because there is something i need to ask :D
@darrenmushkin30494 жыл бұрын
SimBoy I can give you an email or you can ask on here. Up to you :)
@lewishlyd4 жыл бұрын
@@darrenmushkin3049 ermm, an email would be great
@darrenmushkin30494 жыл бұрын
SimBoy sounds good. you can email me at: airtravel1583@gmail.com