Why is the BYD Dolphin/Atto 3 slow to charge? Here's why | EV Guide

[@piol91]

I think this video by far the simplest explanation. Kudos.

[@soyacincautv]

Thank you! Hope it was helpful for you.

[@piol91]

@@soyacincautv Well, i'm not a math person but your break downs are just straight forward for newbies or new potential owners who doesn't understand the foundation and calculation. Cheers

[@maxcavalera9797]

Btw pls keep making video on latest installed charger location for gentari and chargev and other operator. You are the only one dedicated to keep us up to date on this. Other media dont really focus much on it.

[@soyacincautv]

We'll do that. Thank you for the support and encouragement.

[@yagooatthegoat]

FAST tv also not bad the malay uncle does podcast and q&a sessions

[@aussieideasman8498]

Took my Atto3 on a nearly 6,000 km trip Brisbane-Melbourne-Adelaide and back. Will make a video of the pros and cons in about a week from now.

[@soyacincautv]

Congrats on completing the trip. Hope if was fun!

[@colddiesel]

Good solid information which almost all so called car reviewers ignore.Thanks from OZ. 5 stars!

[@soyacincautv]

Glad it was helpful and thank you for watching!

[@just4therecord]

To make things simple, all public AC chargers must be 22kW minimum. If for your home, put 22kW if your house has three phase and 7.4kW if your house is only single phase

[@FaizalZain]

Only few cars can draw 22kW AC charging currently on the market. At the end of the day it depends on your car onboard charger. The so called charger is actually EVSE, the actual charger is in your car for AC

[@just4therecord]

@@FaizalZain I don’t think you get the point. If the EVSE is 22kW, you will get full power no matter what your car’s OBC is

[@mohddinie705]

@@just4therecord nope, even if you have a 22kW AC EVSE at home but car OBC only able to support 11kW AC, then that will be the maximum charging capability. Unless you have DC charger at home

[@just4therecord]

@@mohddinie705 I'm talking about public EvSE. Read my initial post. And when I say full power, I mean whatever your car is rated for, not the full 22kW 😅

[@lancewood1410]

How many homes in malaysia has 3 phase? If your house can afford to have 3 phase, you will be buying a much much more expensive car.

[@Mladjasmilic]

Some cars have 3 separate onboard chargers for 3 phases. So, when doing 3 phase at 16A, all 3 are active. But if you give it 1 phase 32A, it combines 2 chargers via internal contactor. But to save money, some cheap cars have just 1 32A onboard charger.

[@DanielOmine]

My BYD Seal 2024 charges 5.3 ~ 5.7 kw on a 6kw 30a charger, 220V, single phase. The max charge power for this Seal model is 16 kw. So, the video explanation makes sense. 5.3 * 3 phases charger = 16kw. I've also tried at 22kw 200A charger, 3 phases, the speed was 16kw. Thank you for the video.

[@ryuno2097]

Thanks for the guide. Could be useful maybe if i decide to get a EV in the future.

[@soyacincautv]

Most welcome! Hopefully it will be soon. Good luck!

[@martijnortega8863]

European BYD like Atto 3 do charged with 11kWh on AC. The Atto AC charger used in Asia is single fase and in Europe 3 fase. Two weeks ago we charged at an 11kWh AC charger from almost empty (9%) to full in less then 6 hours. Btw, it was fun seeing the 11kW charger was made in the city of Delft, Netherlands.

[@realstonecan]

It was made in China, just ABB's charger division's company address is in The Netherlands

[@vitaliycherediy-slider007p3]

Good video. Thank you! This information is really hidden in car specs.

[@soyacincautv]

You're welcome! Thank you for watching. Glad that the video is helpful for you.

[@CalvinYeap]

Great content guys! 👍👍👍

[@soyacincautv]

Thank you. Do suggest any other topics we should cover in our EV series.

[@CalvinYeap]

@@soyacincautv Ah yes, I would suggest to do one on battery chemistry, the difference between LPF vs NMC. :)

[@davidhardwick1322]

I have found that the BYD intelligent cooling system fan and water pump start up very fast when I use faster DC charging, particularly if I have been driving my ATTO 3 for several hours. I prefer to find a charging station with a lower rate of charging if I am out. When I am at home, I either use the BYD 8 amp charger, or the 32 amp charger I installed, depending on how quickly I want to charge. If I have time overnight, I would rather charge with the 8 amp charger because it is better for the battery. The slower the charge the cooler the battery. Also, part of the reason you will often get fewer kWs in the battery than the charging rate shows is that some of the charge goes to running the 12-volt systems to help cool the battery. Today when I was charging with my 32 amp charger, it said I added 36.8 kW, but my car said it only used 32.7 kW. The other 4.1 kW went to running the car's systems.

[@sret7880]

so eV capable for 3 phase is better? as they can use all 1 phase and 3 phase charger at optimum level?

[@soyacincautv]

This is one aspect to look for in an EV. Generally, three-phase on-board charger is better than a single phase one. But you should also consider things like battery (size and technology) as well as DC charging. In the case of the BYD Dolphin, some of the advantages are: It uses BYD's Blade battery: The Blade battery is based on lithium-ion phosphate. This battery is safer, has a higher energy density and has a better lifespan. It also can be charged to 100% more regularly than other EV batteries. DC charging: The Dolphin Dynamic Standard can DC charge up to 60kW while the Premium Extended can charge up to 80kW. This can charge the Dolphin from 10 - 80% in 35 and 30 minutes. Overall efficiency: The BYD Dolphin is one of the most efficient EVs we've tested. This means you don't have to charge it often especially when travelling long distances.

[@sret7880]

@@soyacincautv Thanks for the detailed reply. appreciate it

[@soyacincautv]

Most welcome. Glad to help!

[@sonnykhoo7236]

Excellent now totally understand

[@AviAeroAsis]

This video was informative. Thank you.

[@noodlefoo]

Very well explained, thanks.

[@nithirasanayagam2947]

good video, we have a lot to get use to and understand with ev's , how does the insurance part work as in some countries they are saying that insurance premium and cost of insurance may also be an issue for ev drivers in the future .

[@swkbh86]

Very informative video❤

[@soyacincautv]

Thank you! Glad you liked it. What should be the next topic to cover in this series?

[@magdytawfik-tf4fl]

I have a problem in charging my yuan plus ( Atto3) using wallmount home charger of BYD it give only 3kw / hr however it is 32A 7Kw and gives me this message (Note: The vehicle has preset charging function, which can be set on the multimedia system).

[@jessccy]

Appreciate the effort. From record from daylight till night time. Hahaha too fast till cannot buy coffee? Good la save money and go sleep 😂

[@veronicathecow]

Nice explanation, thank you.

[@engleelim2508]

Is there good app for showing the availability of chargers in Malaysia?

[@hazimiafif4759]

Still.confuse.. Is it ok to charge with 22kW since Dolphin max power support for AC is 7kW?

[@soyacincautv]

Yes. It is like using laptop charger to charge your phone. It will adjust accordingly based on the supported rate, which in this case is 7kW.

[@tanyengi]

May I know what kind of app you are using? Thanks

[@teckmingyeo2337]

I wanna know where I can find these 180kw charging stations in KL area.

[@soyacincautv]

There are quite a number. ChargEV 320kW at Berjaya Times Square, DC Handal 200kW at Menara Matrade, 200kW at UOA Damansara II, 240kW at Bangsar South and 200kW at Bamboo Hills.

[@TheGinger3]

Thank you very much for the video 🙏

[@skwong94]

3:52 i'm curious about the reason why tesla didnt make it to the chart despite being a mainstream ev model

[@gregb1599]

Seems maybe BYD are actually only rated to 6.6kw like other EV like lower trim MG4 and 62kwh Nissan Leaf.

[@honesty_-no9he]

Learnt something. Thanks.

[@soyacincautv]

That makes all the hard work worth it. Thank you!

[@army2408]

Very useful info. Thanks for sharing

[@soyacincautv]

Thank you! Thank you for watching.

[@grid-panda]

Just curious: Can a house in Malaysia be installed with a second power line for EV charging, Is it expensive?

[@soyacincautv]

You have to apply with TNB and justify and you would only want to do this if you're installing a DC fast charger. For AC charging, a typical home power setup is more than adequate, just that if you house is single phase, you may want to upgrade to a 3-phase power supply.

[@grid-panda]

@@soyacincautv Do residential houses in Malaysia have a very high power input? I am in China, the electricity power of a single household is single-phase 220V/40-50A, which is not enough to install a 7-11KW EV charging box, so most users would install a second cable and electricity mete specifically for EV charging.

[@PROJEKRSX]

great content

[@internationalbusiness5877]

I realize that despite using the 7kw AC charger and 22kw AC charger, the car is only charging at 6.3kw. So, faster charging varies depending on the limit of the car's charge.

[@eduardodaquiljr9637]

Regardless of voltage you mean we can charge our EV?

[@steventeoh260]

Great video!

[@soyacincautv]

Thank you so much! What do you think we should cover next?

[@moumou4]

@@soyacincautv the cost for the charge 😄

[@Vortexpicklechannel]

at the 22kw charger. do they charge u base on 22kwh or 7kwh rate?

[@soyacincautv]

It depends on the charge point operator. Some charge by time (per hour or per minute) or per kWh. kWh-based calculation is a fairer way to charge as you only pay based on what you use and not how long your car is plugged in. If the charger is priced by time, it is more worth it for cars that can receive higher 11kW or 22kW.

[@GerbenWulff]

Teslas also used to have low charging speeds on 3 phase chargers, but a few years ago they included 11 kW 3-phase AC charging.

[@WillDeasy]

Wrong. Teslas had 22kW for at least 10 years now it’s standard at 12kW

[@GerbenWulff]

@@WillDeasy Not here in Europe, perhaps in the USA.

[@CHE7962]

thanks。 i got my answer👌

[@CameronKang91]

7:18 The Red Kia, you're more than welcome to switch with my Ora Good Cat 🤣🤣

[@yagooatthegoat]

Man thats a flex 😂

[@maxcavalera9797]

Lfp blade battery cant charge as rapid as high performance high temperature turnery battery? 😢

[@caitrionaledgewood9339]

Can someone help me with mine. It's taking 30 hours to charge to full. If I charge overnight for 12 hours, I'm only getting about 40%.. it's been terrible.

[@PsychedMedia]

Thats because you are using the supplied granny charger? You need a home wallbox unit installed to get faster charging speed

[@tld8102]

Why doesn't BYD install 3 phase inverter in their cars?

[@soyacincautv]

They do in select overseas market.

[@decoretay3017]

extended range battery capacity only 60.48kwh. the car got 55% and with 85.1kw charge power, how come still need 48mins to full charge????

[@soyacincautv]

It is due to the DC charging curve. Explained at 5:41. At 60%, it drops to 58kW, then around 95% it drops to 33kw. That's why you should just stop at 80% and don't charge to full. Not only it takes longer time, it is more expensive to charge if the charger is priced per minute.

[@arasuishere]

Hahaha that's how pelik when you live in Malaysia, you can bring all latest ev car products but there is NO latest high capacity fast charging stations anywhere.. Malaysia truly Asia.

[@soyacincautv]

On the contrary, Malaysia already has some of the latest, fastest and highest capacity charging.

[@arasuishere]

@@soyacincautv what's the point you only have it in few selected places but not at most gas stations & most of the shopping malls? that's is the only most reliable place to get a fast charge up. They need to start change all these slow charges to the fast ones.

[@ZaimAfham]

Why some charger are still chargers customer per min? Its ridiculous. Better per Kw

[@PsychedMedia]

Need to apply suruhanjaya tenaga license to be able to charge customer electricity in kWh

[@ZaimAfham]

@@PsychedMedia yup i heard about that recently. they said older license charges customer by minute and newer license charges by Kw

[@adriannathaniel4015]

Same goes when installing the right EVSE at home.

[@microsatellites]

Super! Thanks

[@CalvinSeak]

Hi Soya Cincau, I am looking to get an EV and could you explain the memberships that we have in our EV infrastructure in Malaysia For example I frequet Suway Pyramid and I see that there are Gentari Chargers like what you are using in your video But I also see the same exact Gentari Chargers in CharEV.. Won't be getting a BMW/Mini EV So for my situation, should I be subscribe to ChargEV's memberships, jomcharge or just use Setel? Thanks!!

[@soyacincautv]

Hi. It depends on which charger you use more often. For Gentari, the membership which costs RM899/year gives 50% off on all chargers. This is great if you often use a Gentari charger and plan to do lots of long distance trips. Their DC charger is effectively RM0.75 per kWh with the membership. For ChargEV, the previous highlight was unlimited free charging using the card. However, most of these chargers are slowly being discontinued in favour for pay per use. With ChargEV membership, you get a slightly cheaper rate than non-members. The discount is not as significant as Gentari's 50% off.

[@niallerc1969]

I get 10.8kW on a 22kw charger here in Ireland in the Atto 3

[@soyacincautv]

Looks like your Atto 3 is equipped with a 3-phase onboard charger. That's great! In Malaysia, we only get a single-phase onboard unit.

[@BlueOrcX]

Same here in Netherlands, they all do 11 kW. If i am right in EU they have to be 11 kW AC.

[@xavierloo6978]

the last part very lansi but i like... kudos to our 800v FTW!!! hahahaha

[@soyacincautv]

😂😂😂 It's a real-world problem, ok.

[@breakhart]

thats why some EV with same batteries can be cheaper or more expensive, different price also factoring the charger type. many people still don't really understand about this, or simply didn't care, and simply hate EV because of that 😂

[@CameronKang91]

1:26 The passing ped be like "Dude what are you filming"

[@phatmeow7764]

i think in Europe their AC chargers can do 43kw max!

[@JohnoEx]

Please make a charging test video for Dolphin Dynamic (base) model

[@soyacincautv]

It is the same for the base BYD Dolphin Dynamic Standard. It also gets a 7kW single phase onboard charger. The only difference is that the DC fast charging is slightly slower as it maxes out at 60kW.

[@Y2Kvids]

byd e6 support 40KW ac

[@ericliume]

To make it simple, use DC charger no matter what. Only AC at home.

[@Stepheny15]

馬來西亞🇲🇾買車便宜。住也便宜。❤！😊！不過我會買seal !

[@mizaru84]

Same problem for the BYD Seal in Asia market. Btw it's different from the Europe market, it's 3 phase and faster

[@aneks161181]

tq for info

[@greggpon7466]

Slow byd charging speed? Get an mg or a new xpeng g9. Bjorn tested them an got 150 kw dc charging for the mg4 and 300 kw for the g9.😮

[@rayson7043]

Lai...give you 1 like

[@soyacincautv]

You are the best. Give you one like back.

[@AKA001]

Single phase in a modern ev is unacceptable.

[@fiscowarren4298]

good

[@jimgraham6722]

Atto is excellent value but at end of day is a budget vehicle. The higher powered MOSFETs (solid state switches) cost a lot of money. If they were incorporated in the Atto3 it would be a significantly more expensive vehicle, just to save a few minutes at a charge station.

[@shykull]

Formula to calculate 3phase power is wrong hahaha.... supposed to be 415V x 16/32A x sqrt (3)

[@MamasHotpocket2]

I wait 1 plus hour for my Tesla to charge I hate it so much. I truly have evs

[@wwbren]

I think Shell wants you to go back to petrol. I will just use other companies' chargers.

[@ZxSpectrumplus]

ICE > All

[@Uni12355]

stupid BYD cannot take 3 phase 11kw , a tesla can finish charging to 80% around 4 hours . AC for BYD 3 phase 11kw is sucks

[@kurakurakii3792]

With ev youll get more premium time with your family at the gas station. No more F1 pit stop gas refill. Great info on charging station thanks. This is a joke so have mercy on me oh #juststopoil please.

[@soyacincautv]

😂 Luckily you say it's a joke, or else...😅

[@NFS-shade]

I wish i could give you guys 3000 likes but only allowed 1. Thanks..I think i get the idea from your video .

[@unboxingdoomdays5949]

Imagine these flammable car not going through Malaysia safety car test.

[@craigelliott5028]

It has a cheap 400 volt architecture

[@berzmenta8447]

Poor quality product will overdrive high speed charging karaboom the outcome

[@scaleartsg]

0:34 wtf

[@Chris.Davies]

Hilarious garbage from Burn Your Driveway.

[@realmlee8803]

This EV technology is not making us any advance but making us backward. Why we need to worry abt charging power or charging time when ICE technology have long passed this issue. Charging also not cheap, EV is not environmental friendly too, what's good beside the feeling of unparellel speed..

[@nurhendry5464]

Ev no need for further cari gali oil no need searching and only find further energy like solar hydro and if you smart then nuclear ofcourse ev actually for country advance have nuclear

[@realmlee8803]

@nurhendry5464 how do we produce electricity today? Mainly also from natural resources which is limited. EV is not only the technology, taxi have been using the technology which way better than electricity costing us and this is just one example of other technology. EV is a bigger electronics waste and worst for our environment than fuel fossil.

[@tckrto]

Means don't use ABB 11kw chargers. Cause is AliBaBa 😂

[@nelsonpacheco8067]

Just observe china chinese people doing business in ph what car do they buy ÈUROPEAN OR JAPANESE CARS & NOT CHINA MADE CARS OR EV.

[@YM-ex8hh]

Haha stop pushing for net zero emission....gov cant be bothered with pricing and infra. Stick with your trusty ice car

[@soyacincautv]

EV is just one point in the push to net zero. Malaysia is moving towards clean & renewable energy production. It's a move to the right direction. Stick to ICE? Wonder what will happen when Govt decides to remove fuel subsidy?

[@willimacdo]

Pushing women around, is not a good look ☹️

[@masisoganesyan9048]

This is why BYD and all other EVs are garbage. I never have this issue in my Tesla.

[@unboxingdoomdays5949]

Poor quality. Axel poor quality and worst car. Go for tesla

[@jb5music]

That's terrible. You can only charge at those rates at home. 55% charge with 4 1/2 hrs to go. 😆 In Europe and America they were complaining about 50kw/h as opposed to 170kw/h with the XC40 at 350KW/H level 2 charging station. At 170kw/h it takes you at least 1/2 hour to go from 20% to 80%. HYDROGEN FUEL CELL TAKES YOU FIVE MINUTES TO GO FROM 0 TO 100%. The lithium ion opportunists had to force l-ion batteries down our throats for their lithium ion Wall Street investment profits pipe dream.

[@PsychedMedia]

Yeah, you still have to drive to a filling station to fill up your hydrogen. Cant be done while sleeping at home. And have you seen how much it cost to fill up hydrogen

[@petertraveller6421]

Maybe hydrogen is faster to fill up, but don't forget what is the price for this faster fill up, Björn Nyland has a video where he refill Toyota Mirai in Norway, price for refill was 85 euros. And hydrogen car is also electric car, Björn said that can drive 600 km with 1 tank, if you don't go too fast, BUT when you take your speed up to 120 km/h highway speed, Mirai can only go 400 km with 1 tank of hydrogen, so 1000 km cost about 212 euros. I don't have so much money to waste, with EV 60 euros is enough for same trip. 1 extra bonus, hydrogen car cost about 70 to 80 thousand euros, and if fuelcell breaks after warranty, it can be anything between 40 to 100 thousand euros to replace. So EV is much better to average person 's wallet. Example Hyundai ioniq 5 can charge 10% to 80% in 18 minutes, hydrogen is not so much faster.

[@FerraFQ]

Petrol car still better

[@songd.k2011]

BYD burn your dream lol 😂

[@rajaharry7170]

what a joke to tell that charging EV is at the speed of refilling petrol... EV especially those China one is still far from being convenient for a need to charge outside the house, that's why people staying in apartment may not consider EV....also time is money especially on a tiring long drive on highway, the good thing is charging EV at low speed allows you to spend more time at the perhentian to take shower and it make your drive more refreshing and safe....

[@qilu2004]

as chargers become available everywhere, one will be able to charge when convenient not when needed. it means you do NOT wait for the charging to complete or to hot 80%. you just leave when you need to, because next time you park, whether to office or to get a breakfast you can charge again. unlike fueling stations, chargers can be everywhere.

[@chjin1796]

In China, AC charging piles are generally home charging piles. Home charging stations are used for charging at night or leisure time and do not require particularly fast speeds. The commercial charging piles outside are basically DC charging piles. Most cars use DC charging piles to charge to 80% and it only takes 30 minutes

[@qilu2004]

@@chjin1796 why wait for 30 minutes? why insists on charge to 80%? next time u park somewhere there is chargers available there. no need to let charging change your routine. that is the beauty of having vast charging network. charging speed becomes less important.

[@chjin1796]

@@qilu2004 ？？？

[@keegan773]

Of course you got ripped off…..you bought an EV. You never get this when you fill up with gas.

[@florenciosalido5696]

Boycot made in China made