Space Engineers #11: Octomoose Boring Machine

[@OctoBooze]

Hi, creator here! Long video so pardon my long response! This is indeed a creative mode build. Born more out of a desire to see if it could be made, rather than how useful it is. A functional model is what it is and as such it's not optimized at all, for clang or for performance. What little survival features there are is mostly for visual and curiosity's sake. Thank you for the fantastic feedback, helps out a ton when I eventually build a proper TBM that fixes a lot of the issues that have been pointed out and actually tries to be useful in a survival mode. Learned a lot, especially regarding survival vs creative such as welders having reduced range :) Props to you for actually reading the wall of text that is the description too! Appreciate you explaining how it works, it's always nice to see someone knows what they're talking about. Especially for those looking for inspiration it helps out a ton I imagine :) I want to refute and clarify some things starting with my "half assed" upload, it worked as it does in this video before as I uploaded it, after some updates on Keen's behalf it broke some things with projectors for many. Again, works for me, but not for some. With a function as complex as this, some things are bound to break for people, hence the known issues list in the description. Not because I knew about them and purposefully uploaded a faulty creation (Really don't like that reputation you're passing off). Never encountered problems from driving it to a wall since the drills have more than enough time to chip away before they are pressed against the rock owing to the purposeful slow forward speed. Weight (And component production if taken to surv) is an issue but that's what the pipelaying subfunction is for, for you to build whatever sorting/assembly arrangement you want at the end of it. This is just a model of a TBM and tacking an entire base to it is excessive to me. Not welding the full tunnel? Sure that can be seen as a problem but I fail to see how it "Causes a problem" if it skips a block that you are never going to see where it doesn't hurt the integrity, if anything it saves you material. The interior of the tunnel is still 100% complete and for the record, it does leave the conveyor on the roof where the track runs so you can hook whatever on ends of the tunnel... pay attention before claiming missing features ;) So willingly uploading a broken creation? Arguable I suppose, what works for me is what I deem publish ready. Making it seem like I claim it's flat out a broken mess and have uploaded it as such? No, that's misrepresenting. Updates to game can break scripts, blocks and make builds dysfunctional. It's just how it is. A lot of your feedback is related to "oh it wouldn't work in survival" which is all kind of moot for this specific build cause it wasn't meant for it in the first place so it shouldn't be passed off as a fault. For educating new pople on what not to do in survival I can understand and appreciate its value though. It just feels a smidge disrespectful to the creative building community to say "A lot of people build things that look pretty but don't work for shit" with previous statements of "Anyone who has played SE for a while know this is bad" as if those creators didn't know what they were doing. As a creative model it works. Clearly as shown by this video. I know rotors/pistons/landing gear in general attached to heavy weights is clangbaiting, especially in MP environment and is poison for survival where you want your things to last and be efficient. But I'd argue it's not amateurish to employ them if the environment the creation is meant to be used allows them. There are many ways to play the game, sometimes you build working items in survival, sometimes you have build-offs with your friends. Sometimes you just make models/replicas and bleed your heart out to them. To each their own and it takes time and practice to get good at any of them. It's more than likely I'm overreacting/reading too much into that statement chain and its implications but I wanted this out there regardless. I appreciate the feedback, don't get me wrong. Helps me, and many other space engineers out a great deal for the future :) I understand this video is more to pick it apart and show why it doesn't work in survival/your scenario. Just not liking the way the video is showcasing these "faults" as oversights or lack of experience when this wasn't originally intended for survival in the first place.

[@DragonNationGaming]

Thanks for the reply and I'm glad that you watched the video. It's a really good creation and I never would have showcased it if I thought it was worthless. It's one of the best creations I've seen and the concept is sound. I apologize if you feel that I put you in a bad light, but the fact that I showed your build off means that I was very impressed. Also don't feel that I didn't test this out. After the video I pasted it into creative several times and every time it failed. That's how it is with recording. It fails every time but when you're recording, it works perfectly. A lot of my creations have done that to me as well. They fail when I'm working on them but when I start recording, they work perfectly and make a liar of me. There are hundreds of thousands of creations on the workshop and very few people read the description before uploading. They upload it and when it doesn't work, they go on a rant and the drama begins. That's why, when you look at one of my creations, you never see a lengthy description explaining why it doesn't work. I never upload anything that doesn't work in creative and survival. If an update to the game breaks the design. I delete it and rebuild it before reuploading it. Half assed is just that. You uploaded a half finished creation. The impression that it gives is that you spent a lot of time on it, knew it wouldn't work but uploaded it anyways because you quit and didn't want the time you spent to be wasted. The problem with it is that if it works, it's a fluke. It doesn't work every time. This causes a lot of confusion in the community. Very few people read the description and even fewer test and gather knowledge before stating that they know everything. This makes my job more difficult. For example: Having the merge blocks on a rotor does work about 50% of the time but it's unreliable and people think that because it worked the only time they tried it, that it works perfectly and they will argue with anyone who says that it doesn't. Having an educated debate is a great thing but most of the time people will just argue because they are stubborn. I am very critical for a very good reason and I am hard on people for a very good reason. It's the little things that matter. I wanted to make sure that everyone knew that I didn't choose your creation because it works, but because it's a great inspiration. It has a few mechanics that I didn't think of and very few creations do that. It challenges my imagination and I never would have gotten as far with my creations if it wasn't for people like you, pushing the envelope of creativity. If you think that I was unfair in my evaluation, you can always join me in game and we can pick the whole thing apart together and give everyone a better understanding of your creation. I will be getting back into live streaming in the future and this would be a great opportunity to set the record straight.

[@OctoBooze]

@@DragonNationGaming No, I think you're perfectly fair in your evaluation. The machine is fundamentally broken, from core concept onwards. It isn't, and can never be 100% stable due the tricks used to make it work and like I said, it was a curiosity project not optimized in any shape or form. A complete re-design is needed from locomotion to functions. There is no denying this. I was honestly surprised to see it working in current game version. But it worked stable enough back then, in its intended environment. That is my point. Not looking to start any lengthy debate but I greatly disagree with what you say about releasing a half-assed, unfinished product. It worked at launch for me, did tunnels for miles on end and ran hours upon hours of stress testing in different configurations, and when a fault came up, I troubleshot it until it worked stable again. Deemed it good enough. What else is there to do? Never release it because there is a chance that it will blow? In that time it was a complete build, not a half-assed half-finished version. I could take it down now but seeing how I am not making a new one for the foreseeable future and you yourself seem understand the value of concept builds, it feels... wrong to take this from 16K subs and the predecessor from 22K subs, not to mention anyone else who might stumble upon them. I give a disclaimer that it doesn't function in its stead, granted the one in this is slightly outdated. I have other things to do than constantly maintain each and every one of my builds, especially these experimental ones that have a thousand failure points. As long as it has a purpose, even if as a bad example, it stays on. "But you released it knowing it wouldn't work for eternity, therefore half assed" I hear you think. To which I say: That's just your opinion, man. Future proofing is great but isn't a requirement for a complete build. And that is my opinion. Of course I won't see a long description from you because you leave them blank and looking at the vertical miner there is a commenter taking it to themselves to explain how it works instead of the author taking the time to write "press X to start". Now that is what I call a lazy upload. Have some self awareness before devaluing the work others put into their uploads. Don't be a hypocrite, don't assume you know everything (practice what you preach), keep making awesome content and try to understand that other people have different approaches to the game and its associated workshop culture.

[@kiiikoooPT]

Im new in SE but honestly i dont see the point of making something that only works on creative, beautifull or not the idea is for it to work in survival, I only have few hours in the game I blew off a lot stuff cause of silly mistakes, but i never played creative, cause it is not fun, it becomes only a build simulator if you dont have to grind and fail... I just see this videos to take ideas, never downloaded anything from the workshop cause i like to learn with my fails ;) Just my opinion, dont get mad with me ;)

[@kiiikoooPT]

@@L3monSqueezy no, the point of creative build is to create without ressources and die cause you can make mistakes and just delet them, but the final goal is to make something that will work in normal mode, otherwise is just a waste of time if you cant use it for nothing other then look at it...

[@party4lifedude]

@@kiiikoooPT that's entirely your opinion.

[@seandonovan3558]

Sometimes two heads are better then one! You are a really smart guy. You over think things and I mean that in a good way, you think of all the moving parts, maybe not the first time around but you think hard about it. Take his design and improve it, make it better, help him out. I don't play any PS or PC games anymore but I do like watching those (like yourself) who play these types of games and seeing the amazing thing you all come up with!! Thank you for making these videos!

[@mrmicfail]

so from playing with this model in general, it DID work, however, there was a patch that broke the projectors. there was a work around but i dont remember (it has been a hot minute since i used this) Edit: it would seem that the projectors are working. there are conveyers that run through the tunnel. the conveyer that removes the stone from the TBM (runs on the roof; part of what that grinder in the back is grinding) is left behind after the connector is removed. the stone is not stored on TBM after it is pulled from the connector to an off-ship storage unit/refinery/assembler

[@odiethe4th]

What i think might work best for your inchworm is having a second inchworm that follows doing the building. to reduce weight on the first inchworm half.

[@DragonNationGaming]

I think I might have a solution with the help of the creation in this video. I'm going to make the whole thing longer. That way I can add more pistons and merge blocks to help support it. I can also add refineries and assemblers to the system and have storage stationary on the ground for the extra stone. I'm working on it right now.

[@samuelward9193]

Much nicer intro in my opinion! loving this series!

[@MartinFinnerup]

Could you not stick some wheels underneath the moving assembly, to avoid it sagging when under weight? That should help with the mergeblocks, right?

[@nextjaeger9271]

I dont know what ur talking about... It seems to work fine, the attatchment-method isnt realy a problem and it does weld the walls. (tho u´d need creative-welders) And why didnt u test it under load if ur convinced that it would fail?

[@DragonNationGaming]

You don't know what I'm talking about because you don't know what you're talking about. Try testing it yourself before you start an argument or at least do your research. This is your last warning to be more respectful. I've been playing this game for a very long time so I know it doesn't work in survival.

[@nextjaeger9271]

Dragon Nation Gaming i didn’t mean to be disrespectful or anything. What i was trying to say is that u didn’t proof ur point, why the thing was supposingly not working. Sorry if I sounded agressive, that wasnt my intention

[@DragonNationGaming]

@@nextjaeger9271 No problem. The point of the video was to compare and find inspiration. The rotor method works sometimes but more often than not, it fails. His design gave me some really good ideas.

[@doomdave475]

The rotors do work, I have used them before, when changing displacements with timers, they work like mini pistons

[@DragonNationGaming]

Do they work every time? @@doomdave475

[@josephlane1614]

So an idea here, instead of claiming repetitively that it would fail if it actually had to go through a mountain, why don't you show us. This video is 20 minutes long and doesn't answer the question of, " Does it really work?"

[@n0tn0rma1]

As I watched the video thought the same thing. And when he said it was a half-ass build, I thought well this is a half-ass video.

[@Athkore]

Instead of making a drill that also welds the tunnel, why not segment it into multiple builds? i.e) The first build drills the hole and welds up the pipeline, and then a second machine goes and welds up the tunnel conveyors and armor.

[@brandonlaird6876]

"So I go to the Steam Workshop, or I go to videos on KZbin to try to figure some things out." I don't claim to be even an apprentice level at 160 hours on the game, but even after that much time (6 days 16 hours play time) I still look things up and go to videos for information and inspiration. This is what brought me to your channel with searching for a good way to make an ice miner (Holy Dihydrogen Monoxide Batman, you over-sized that rig lol), and I've now watched all 11 of this series.

[@DragonNationGaming]

I have over 3000 hrs I think and I still look up tutorial videos sometimes.

[@dylanmcbethiscool]

You could have welders rotating on another ring or disk on the ass end of the drill to build the walls of the tunnel.

[@DragonNationGaming]

Using a rotor might be a good idea. I would only need the rotor to turn very little.

[@Lobisomen79]

You said that you got problems with the welder range. Why not put the welders on pistions, you could adjust the distance and maybe layer the welders to reach each corner

[@DragonNationGaming]

The problem with welders is available space. You would have to change the whole design.

[@Lobisomen79]

@@DragonNationGaming good point there. Waa thinking of a spine like column of conveyors center of the tunel and pistons in every cardinal direction with rows of welders so you could extend them to every direction. Similar to the welder rig you build in your latest Video just with adjustable distance of the welders

[@littlepastelkitten]

though i dont play space engineers, i upload nonworking creations from other games that i play, to the workshop because sometimes my computer will corrupt the creation files, so i use workshop as a backup on occasion

[@truezulu]

Ok, I only saw a functioning TBM here... Not really a test per say... Guess I'll have to test it myself if I want to know if it works or not... Sigh ;)

[@lucifer6966]

Love the video but I use a drum drill instead of a bore. You get a wider tunnel. All you have to do is merge two rotors together and invert one of them (or just set the torque to 0 on one of them). Building a combine isn't hard and you can use pistons to move the mining arm up and down. This way you get super smooth and wide road. No need to build anything just add a few welders to the back and as the drills rotate around they are repaired. You can just eject junk stone as needed, and have a transport dock and offload ores/ resupply components for welding.

[@hunnybunnysheavymetalmusic6542]

Somehow these videos seem to be out of sequence and some of them are not showing up when I search your channel.

[@K-Anator]

This is an old video from a similarly (exactly the same) named series, which is unfortunately nothing but whining about his drill and not indeed the continuation of what you were previously watching. Would seem not much has changed given the 3 year gap between this and the most recent video with him complaining about un-welded blocks and solar alignment scripts, two extremely trivial things. KZbin is usually better at recommending me creators when I get in to a game, it's really struggling with Space Engineers.

[@uxsvent1]

hey, could you set the drills to void the tunnel right vs left click and toggle on a timer so it only collects stone half the time or whatever percent so it can keep up with resource needs and not overweight itself?

[@MartusTube]

"Sometimes it works 'n sometimes it doesn't" *spitoon ding*

[@Nacedos]

For future project, you could think of a way to sort vehicles in a garage, that automaticaly moves them and unloads all the cargo / loads cargo! Also gotta be able to call your vehicle back to ride it in the same contraption

[@DragonNationGaming]

I did try something like this in the past. I tried to create a dispensing machine for small ships. I tried to put it on a flag ship. It didn't quite work out to say the least but it's definitely something I would try again.

[@TrollingUGames]

I know this is a late post regarding your previous video but switching to a dedicated server that you host on your own pc would be a good idea to avoid corruption. It auto saves every few minutes and you can let it run in the background if you want. You don't have to do that which might work for this style of series but hey, it's an option. I've recently started my own survival world and am hosting it on a dedicated server on another computer in my house. It works perfectly!

[@Locomotor1979]

bottem welders on each side off the front whont weld ether why they arent connected to conveyers at 5:01 run of the vid it doesnt look liken they arent connected

[@uxsvent1]

another idea for missed wielded areas add another set of projectors and a second bp slightly ahead of the others so they wield the farther bocks first then the older projectors can handle the rest, it might also add stability as you are adding to a set structure that would be connected to the inchworm tunnel itself and the tunnel machine.

[@mikebartek4592]

Aww, don't get too concerned with these other goons, your tunnel is much better because I got to learn about it as you built it. BTW, I just found & watched your series, it's really fantastic content and those time lapses are the best. You're doing a great job of talking this old dum-dum through it all. I don't even own the game but you kind of make me want to get it to tinker around a bit.

[@arcamean785]

I'd call this a proof of concept, because it works... but it needs a lot of imrovement, I would alter the storage and add a few welders in the areas it can't quite reach or recommend using modded welders that reach further. As for the head... I don't know how well it would work but adding some small wheels all the way around the drill ~might~ help prevent it from getting too screwed up.

[@DragonNationGaming]

I try to stay away from wheels on creations like this. Wheels haven't been the greatest thing in Space Engineers but they do create some nice explosions.

[@adtrlthegamer7449]

I know this may not work now, but I was thinking. What if you could replace the rotors on the top for making the system move forward with the pistons you use now, then make a similar thing on the bottom where it connect to a conveyor which unloads the resources. This is only taking your Inchworm system that works and merely using it's workings on the Octomoose's design. You have three pistons, two top and one bottom. The first top one detaches from their merge block and moves forward where it connects to another, then pulls while the other two push the bore forward before the back top and the one bottom, that has a connector to the conveyor and merge block, would detach and move to their new spaces and so on. (The bore would still move and weld stuff while always having three connections as it moves. Just my thinking, and hopefully that makes sense.)

[@victorsykes5334]

New series (maybe) take broke or underperforming builds ,upgrade ,and make them survival ready. I would like to see you make this build work. Maybe as a side series. Love the new intro👊😎

[@DragonNationGaming]

It's a great build and gave me a lot of ideas.

[@ianwilson4286]

it has small and large grids so projector does not work.

[@Locomotor1979]

12timers count betterright side has 5 and 7 on the other side

[@evangreen1215]

make two different machine one to dig the tunle and one to weld the tunle

[@DragonNationGaming]

no

[@MartinFinnerup]

@@DragonNationGaming Could you elaborate on why? Your response seems a bit aggressive, considering it's a valid solution.

[@DragonNationGaming]

@@MartinFinnerup You gotta love a generation that thinks telling them no is aggressive. Wheels are a bad idea because this is Space Engineers.

[@douglaswoodard3412]

ok this can be fixed switch out the rotors with pistons and add a mod twin indst for the range and get rid of the roter up front i have played with this but i dident like it the cradle gets wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to heavy i had to move a lot of stuff off the driller to make it work better

[@DragonNationGaming]

No mods. It's all vanilla.

[@Bo-bb7kv]

I've used that blueprint before. It worked aslong as I was standing on it. The second I turned my back it would fall

[@SebSenseGreen]

This is an interesting project, you should do your own design.

[@Wulfenite874]

He's been working on one, I'm curious to see how to set up a similar machine without too much crap to remove afterwards before the tunnel/inevitable base could be accessible

[@DragonNationGaming]

@@Wulfenite874 think the next video will be the last time I mess with the design. I'm working on it right now and we'll see how it works out.

[@Wulfenite874]

@@DragonNationGaming I'm pumped to see it dude, I totally haven't been stealing ideas for my own world haha

[@forsakengenocideps4587]

Love your channel man. With this video maybe wheels on the bottom just for support.

[@justsayin2085]

And here i am making a box space ship.

[@DragonNationGaming]

Humble beginnings. We all started out that way. Give it time and you'll be building rounded box ships lol.

[@justsayin2085]

@@DragonNationGaming I'm progressing towards a long phallic design day by day.

[@geronimo5537]

If we combined the voices of Rich from review tech and phlydaily then we would have your voice. Great video btw as well! =p Also I totally agree, a creation/build on the steam workshop that is incomplete or not working is just wrong. It is like an unspoken rule that builds need to be complete before uploading. The sad thing is, this drill is basically a non-function and it was still populatized. As for rotating drill bits on a rotor. It can work however due to bumpy voxel collision a rotating drill has to move at a much slower rate compared to normal fixed drills. Which makes the design counter productive in a sense.

[@jaimianscharr6320]

Totally agree

[@zabeinthematrix2652]

Looks cool

[@justsomenoob1593]

So now its in HD 720p...

[@sahzhree7757]

Videos are initially uploaded in really low quality. A few minutes later 1080, or 4k, or whatever the higher quality is, becomes available.

[@DragonNationGaming]

It takes youtube time. Sometimes 10 minutes and sometimes 30

[@eiva4293]

Hey you are my new favorite youtube channel for space engeniers But i got 1 question Is it possible to build a expandable drill on the back of the hemit so you can pull it out and start drilling and then pull it back and drive of

[@DragonNationGaming]

It would be possible but the problem is finding enough space for it. Give it a try and let me know what you come up with.

[@PatrickxDDx]

Nice Episode :D

[@Larve12]

better intro and here is a subscriber

[@sirhenry0]

My job is boring (if anyone gets the reference ^^)

[@rukinaa]

You could use those modded advanced rotors, they are huge and don't suffer from a bad case of the weeble wobble... steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1294456467&searchtext=rotor

[@lucifer6966]

This times 100. I like to merge two of them together for a giant drum drill. Makes leveling wide areas easy. Just make sure to either disable the torque or inverse the rotation on one of the rotors. You can use it in both vertical and horizontal applications.

[@kalhalha]

Hi! I used this TBM it does actually work ir you have a Good Sorting system atached but only a few hundred meters... then the merge blocks just won't connect, or the rig explodes or it just falls to the floor.... the welder actually hold up pretty good it just fail a few blocks now and then... I still prefer yours but I like the aesthetics of this one xD

[@DragonNationGaming]

It looks a lot better than mine but as I always say, which do you prefer, good looking or functional?

[@kalhalha]

@@DragonNationGaming I woould prefer both but of course i give priority to the functional xD (sometimes i like to have things there just ornamental... turned off just to show off xD )

[@rebekahmerritt2460]

if you wanted to add mods to your game there is a build and repair system mod the will do grinding and welding without any actuall grinders or welders. if you were to put one of those on your system it is possible that it would build your tunnel the way you want it welding up your projections. Here is a link to the Mod in question steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=857053359&searchtext=build+and+repair

[@ajfairchild30]

Great video. I'm new to the channel but like that you have restarted from the ground up. Making great content. I've built a very similar rig in one of my survival worlds a while back (not sure how much the updates have changed things). I've been thinking about doing a very similar survival series on my gaming channel (very new channel) but wanted a partner to work with. If your interested at all just let me know. If not, then I guess I'll continue to enjoy the videos you make and draw inspiration from them.

[@DragonNationGaming]

I've tried collaborations in the past and they are very difficult to work out. Soon I will be live streaming again so I recommend joining. I usually invite everyone to join me in game when I live stream.

[@thesilentone4024]

Looks nice would love to see something like this later on who nows you might just add wheels just so it can carry 10 times its own weight but it's all up to you good luck oh and if it sounds cool to you mybe you can billed a tunnel going to each base if you make more then one would be asome to see something like that

[@thejuicecart246]

Me: *sees notificaion*...*instaclick*

[@jojoskunk]

i made it work with better drill radius mod and cargo to default and welder and grinding speed to max

[@jaimianscharr6320]

Your my new favorite SE youtuber and you have the best voice TBH

[@ANOLMFAO]

i have actully made a tunnel bore machine that hangs from the sealing i can probly upload it so you can check it out with the sealing i mean a rail system that it makes

[@DragonNationGaming]

Just make sure to add the link.

[@lulinho9095]

awesome

[@zachsoanes6417]

Looks like a real life copy somewhat miniaturized however - 10/10 to the guy who designed it if real tunnels could bore that fast Sheesh that'd be amazing XD just be glad you don't have to drive stabilizer bars into the rock face you've just excavated and then run concrete and mesh and all that crap XD space engineers so much easier. As for practicality in SE i give it a 2/10 For going with realistic design and procedure 9/10 -1 for not running a better conveyor system to supply and get rid of waste rocks.

[@epicdark_ghost8663]

First

[@mattherto7278]

do you have nothing else to do ? like being smart ;D

[@DragonNationGaming]

@@mattherto7278att, that wasn't necessary. We don't do that here.

[@DragonNationGaming]

If you don't have anything interesting to say, it doesn't count.

[@epicdark_ghost8663]

Dragon Nation Gaming I like your videos

[@DragonNationGaming]

@@epicdark_ghost8663 lol There you go but it still doesn't count.

[@halestream1143]

Your new intro is kinda boring Idea: check Ceejay Sparkz, he might be able to help with that

[@DragonNationGaming]

I do everything myself. I had to learn to how to use photo shop, after effects and premiere pro to create this intro. It took me days to create it.