Space Engineers - Rapid Recharge Railgun (4 second recharge)

[@zarlev9083]

Remember, rebuilding your Railgun is always faster then recharging

[@crimsonquill4255]

Knife the watermelon.

[@Cup_70]

functionally dismantle the watermelon

[@adamromanowicz7221]

I am dying of laughter. This is amazing! It's so absurd to think that dismantling and reassembling the railgun is faster than rechargigng. A shame that it will be patched by simply making it start without charge after construction.

[@TwoPlusTwoEqualsFive32]

Not really a shame, I could see this dominating a server, it should be fixed.

[@whitedawn2122]

I think it might be a “blueprints store block metadata” issue ngl

[@SquawkHub]

Not a shame really.

[@harbinger6173]

Don't give them ideas!!!

[@JTCF]

I'm glad it will be fixed, because this is broken.

[@dazley8021]

"It's still reloading!" "Just rebuild it then!" Is a conversation you will only hear in SE.

[@M1Abrams-HEDP-loaded]

I really like how space engineers allows for stuff like this to happen. The amount of resources and engineering required to make this thing work, along with how fragile the construction is, makes this weapon surprisingly balanced. It would be amazing at destroying capital ships, but a fighter could dodge the first few shots and put a nice little missile down its throat while the railgun is in the grinded down stage of its reload. If the projector, grinders, welders, or conveyor systems get destroying, the weapon is made essentially useless. I can't wait to see what other unique weapon designs come from this update.

[@thejokestersquad3686]

Railguns can shoot through a half block wide hole so an armored version of this wouldn't be taken out with a rocket shot unless it was a really lucky shot

[@M1Abrams-HEDP-loaded]

@@thejokestersquad3686 that's a good point, a strike craft with 4 light rail guns should be able to punch through enough armor to cause the necessary damage. You'd only really have to worry if it were armored an unnatural amount. It would take a skilled engineer to build it and a skilled pilot to take it down.

[@MRB2580]

It wouldn't cost anything since the grinded resources goes straight back into inventory and you get a perfect amount for weldingm, the engineering is also really simple. It would also be no less difficult to knock out than a regular railgun but Keen is gonna patch this anyway.

[@juliet4093]

@@MRB2580 you just cited a bunch of reasons why it should be patched then implied you were confused by the patch ??

[@MRB2580]

@@juliet4093 What? Tell me where I said I was confused by the patch. I just stated some facts about the engineering and inventory system. Keen will patch this because being able to do this is unintentional. They'll make it function similar to jump drives where newly constructed blocks will need to charge.

[@themidnightbanshee5927]

And ofc the players find ways to make an already powerful weapon broken

[@simonaarekol3336]

Have anyone found the handheld rocket launcher exploit yet? If you have both the rocket launchers in inventory you can quickly change between them, ignoring reload times. You are basically a mini rocketlauncher gatling gun.

[@cristianalvarez5803]

yes but I think it only works on creative mode

[@Attaxalotl]

Double-tap R2

[@bandannadee9370]

It's only a creative thing sadly

[@crimsonquill4255]

Just discovered that last night. Felt like playing Doom Eternal. The hand model bugs out in third person 'cos of the recoil too, it was great!

[@EnjoyCocaColaLight]

Can just swap between the rocket launcher and some tool..

[@Zenas521]

Nice exploit, but I figure they will patch that by forcing it to do the full 60 second charge at construction.

[@twanfox]

Ah. This is the age old bug of 'projected entity carries with it metadata/contents' issue. Maybe they'll get around to that. Projected elements should only ever be the item being projected, nothing more.

[@thesaddestdude3575]

@@twanfox Yeah it really is a classic, its funny there was the same issue with battereis and there they fixed it by making powercells disapear.

[@jsamue12]

@@thesaddestdude3575 Railgun also takes powercells, they might decide to "fix" it the same way

[@Vessekx]

@@twanfox, there are some metadata bits that make sense to be carried in a blueprint. (User-accessible settings for example.) The amount of power a block has stored in it, however, is not something that makes sense to be included in a blueprint-built object.

[@ViniciusNegrao_]

Patch workaround: 1 - build 60 railguns 2 - make them shoot at 4s intervals 3 - build on a rotor so the shots are all aligned 4 - ??? 5 - RAILGUN MINIGUN!

[@APMo2]

Literally Babylon’s Ashes battle haha

[@reentrysfs6317]

The expanse gooo

[@mccvargues7792]

Only in expanse the railguns have an effective range of 1000km and is SE they have an "effective" range of 2km

[@vd9866]

@@mccvargues7792 Even .45ACP has longer effective range than 2km in space lmao

[@docb8324]

And the ones in the Expanse had a recharge of just around 2 SECONDS!

[@reentrysfs6317]

@@docb8324 it was insane

[@Ezio_999]

love the soundscape when the ground railguns start firering sound nice

[@atticusthegamingllama8302]

"Medina Station, this is the MCRN. Your Free Navy sentries at the Ring have been eliminated. Our weapons are now locked on Medina Station, and unless you surrender immediately and unconditionally, we will open fire."

[@APMo2]

“If this one performs as well as the others… this should be fun”

[@leezaard3944]

Idk if there are any expanse fans here, but these remind me of the Laconian railguns with their extremely high rate of fire. It would be cool to decorate the exterior to look like one with a bunch of armor

[@ulyssesdamon3408]

I need to know if that was the inspiration. My exact thought!

[@GoldenSkies061]

I am so glad I'm not the only one who saw this video and thought of Laconian technology. Just need an unsettlingly organic exterior and it'd be perfect!

[@StarWarsExpert_]

I love the Expanse! Sasa ke?

[@mgnomnom]

If youre looking for a thematic explanation, you could say the 60 second reload is a safety measure against over heating the rails, but the construction, and reconstruction of the guns is just replacing the rails. They could make a rebqlance of the whole game that makes grinders more inefficient, the larger they become

[@daniellclary]

I did think about doing something like this when I first played with it. But I did not make a system for it. But interesting to see someone do it. I wonder if this is just going to be the norm on how people build this.

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

Nah its likely going to be fixed. After all, you just need to make so a newly built railgun will always start in the discharged state

[@minetech4898]

@@mobiuscoreindustries yeah, but how long will it take to get fixed? I'm pretty sure you can do the exact same thing with jump drives still, and that's been in the game for years.

[@pepijn1901]

damn, nice! today i had this idea pop up after seeing a reddit post this morning but i guess you beat me to the point! good job!

[@AnonD38]

The Laconian guns have arrived!

[@jaffarebellion292]

God forbid Keen read the last three books. Laconia becomes PROPERLY terrifying and I really don't want KSH getting ideas.

[@docb8324]

My god the sound design...

[@CMDROldDuck]

Clever but I’d rather use my PCU on multiple rail guns that I can rotate through (and also provides more redundancy).

[@Bzorlan]

Pcu wise more rail guns is probably better but resources wise this is probably cheaper

[@gabrielibarra5551]

I would say this is more redundant, it doesnt matter if the railgun gets damaged because its just gonna get ground down and reprinted again. And you have a bunch of grinders and welders, you can spare having lots of them damaged before you should start to worry.

[@CMDROldDuck]

@@gabrielibarra5551 thankfully I play on a server with grinder and welder limits, so I don’t have to worry about such exploits unless a really large faction wants to pour all their resources into a single railgun.

[@serdaraytemiz9978]

I would rather have multiple railguns setup like this :)

[@teslashark]

This reminds me of massive single-shot guns where you pull the entire aseembly out

[@leadontaste7261]

Or Borderlands guns of that company that makes disposable weaponry

[@juliet4093]

@@leadontaste7261 nope, not disposable, the weapon digistructs

[@leadontaste7261]

@@juliet4093 i mean the explosive ones

[@demonx3779]

@@juliet4093, I mean, you kinda dispose of it though, then get a fresh completely new one.

[@mackenziebeeney3764]

I love that the shots keep going through. Makes it look cooler.

[@scyan897]

This reminds me of the last season of expanse where they have a really op rail gun and it just obliterates everything

[@DJTimeLock]

thanks for the spoilers i guess

[@scyan897]

@@DJTimeLock it’s been out for 3 months now. . .

[@ScottishRebel]

@@scyan897 dude not an excuse 3 months is nothing spoilers are fine after a few years but 3 month fucking hell some people only just started watching the show I have seen it already but like bruh

[@scyan897]

@@ScottishRebel okay but did I really give anything away? you still have no clue what to expect that’s like saying there’s a tow truck in Pixar’s cars every ship in the expanse has a rail gun I didn’t give exactly when, who or what.

[@ScottishRebel]

@@scyan897 Not the point up until the last season we already know what the ships have the point is that your giving up information that may ruin certain episodes and scenes

[@skele4454]

It’s like a glass cannon one hit to power systems and it’s down along with the added weight makes it a bit hard to maneuver

[@Shinzon23]

That's why you build like warships are in The Expanse; redundant systems (entirely separate power systems, life support, medical systems, etc) throughout the ship, and explosives prone stuff is behind armored "citadels" so that if something goes wrong, a lucky magazine hit doesn't chain react and leave the ship interior a twisted flaming wreck, or leave you a drifting hulk without power. And for GODS SAKES, stop making "Warships" with their bridge/helm/gunnery control with wide panoramic windows perfect for dropping a missile or projectile through to kill the entire command crew...

[@orianbatrov9813]

The sad thing is this will be patched soon. :(

[@przemysawchudzik9977]

I don't think it will get patched.

[@schullerandreas556]

@@przemysawchudzik9977 nah, this is an easy patch. They can make it that a railgun once built does not start loaded but with the cooldown timer started. Basically you build an unloaded gun and have to wait 60s after building to fire. Rendering the build in this video obsolete as it would be 60+4 seconds instead of 60

[@simplementepersona]

It is literally impossible to patch... the railgun is build and fires then cease to exist and other comes. How u patch it? They wont nake it load one entire minute when build. Too much issue

[@jamesmetzger7320]

They could change it to not be charged when built. But probably won't need to because every time you grind it down you use 120 power cells

[@wizzynik0000]

@@simplementepersona I am sorry but I have to disagree with you, it is actually an easy patch. But even if it wasn't as easy to patch, they would have all the necessary logic code already done for the jump drives ready to be copied and a bit rewritten for the railgun. At the end it would probably come to be only one if-Statement in the Railgun Block class.

[@KingdomChilds]

Haha, amazing. Jeff Goldblum voice "Life, uh, finds a way"

[@WombatOfWimbledon]

Haha!!! It's faster to rebuild than to recharge! Amazing! Creative solution too!

[@oddctioum]

isnt it still the case that a refinery is immune to railgun damage? i constantly see ships with "refined" armor that would laugh at any salve you fire.

[@Sopsy_Hallow]

from what ive seen about the subject, it just seems refinerys are strong due to needing a lot of components, so they soak up a lot of damage, a lot more than normal armour would

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

No, its just refineries have a lot of components so they can "tank" the round. But once they die they leave a gigantic hole in the armor. Same kind of deal when people were using gyroscope as armor because on paper it was better, but they ended buckshotting their own ships

[@oddctioum]

@@Sopsy_Hallow that is good to know, i have seen it and thought thats not a Trend i want to follow anyway

[@oddctioum]

​@@mobiuscoreindustries so, its basically a clang Bomb with good armor you put on your own hull... couldnt you use that and put like max gravel into the refinery and make a Drone? thx for the info, i didnt know that. but it wasnt a trend i wanted to follow anyway.

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

@@oddctioum Well the best option is to slap a welder behind it. It will essentially be a component black hole, but it will be able to absorb round after round as long as you can keep repairing it fast enough. Which is why I use player made kinetic missiles against these guys, because people that build ships like this often opt for the near stationary, idle turret fest where they just sit in the middle of wherever a fight is going on and just wait to win. I promptly launch 4 torpedoes at their static ass and watch them transform into a very cubical pressure cooker. As the torpedoes explode the refineries, the fragments get inside, and then their self repair system, if even still works, closes every exit wound these projectiles could have exited the ship from, essentially trapping their most valuable internals in a sea of metal shards that will bang, burst and clang their way through stuff every time these baboons try to turn. It also just happens these guys tend to become spastic when damaged and mount obscenely powerful gravity drives to their ships because they found a blueprint on the workshop for it. Usually a few second later, the entire ship will combust. Which is then usually followed by a lot of swearing in the chat on how unfair that was. This is often followed by a prompt ban, because if there is anyone that would exploit more than server invaders doing offline raiding, that would be the server admins supposed to stop that.

[@hupkin]

Bro you should get way more subs for your amazing work

[@EsdrasCGguimaraes]

I'm so frustated for not having this idea before

[@D_Rogers]

Those turret towers are giving me old school Total Annihilation vibes!! :)

[@ArchFline]

Now that seems great for a sniper ship. You just blow out their bridge

[@championastartes]

One of the best defense systems ever, 5 rounds every 4 seconds, slap 10 or more of these on a Dreadnought or a space station lol

[@armorhide406]

Now THAT is peak Space Engineering. If Keen SWH sees this, PLEASE don't fix this

[@angelicoe9540]

"Switching to your secondary is faster than reloading"

[@joshua211111]

Switching weapon is ALWAYS faster than reloading.

[@CasMullac]

I see... I see a patch in the near future.

[@skinisdelicious3365]

Switching to your sidearm is faster than reloading

[@_Funtime60]

The recharge time should have an option to be variable. When variable, the average time would be 60s, but most times it would be less. The average would be brought back up to 60s by having the occasional really long reload.

[@stolyartoad8640]

Well, you can make the railgun in a gatling-like configuration

[@Bbobsillypants]

This is much much more compact tho

[@stolyartoad8640]

@@Bbobsillypants and a lot more slower

[@Vessekx]

@@stolyartoad8640, you could do *this* technique in a Gatling-like configuration, and only need a handful to fire every half-second, rather than the 15 you’d need to match this abomination’s rate of fire.

[@jacobellinger8027]

I read the title and guessed what you did even before seeing the video.

[@npelolli]

I just started out in solo survival and now this, Im scared of servers now

[@thomasthurman7840]

I don't think this is how it's meant to be done... lol. Just got my creative juices flowing again by starting a new survival with no mods and no blueprints, created my own miner design for the first time since starting my first survival after the introduction of planets. Dunno why I'm sharing this here, just did, lol.

[@melendros-official]

its like the rocket launcher. it can shoot as fast as you can swap between the 2 launchers. like a machinegun

[@TactlessHog]

i was expecting a massive minigun of rail guns lmao

[@Burnttoaster1111]

Ok now turn it into a gatling gun.

[@kcdearden6823]

You clever little bastard that works!!

[@ottovonbismarck7646]

Idk how effective this would be on a ship due to how clunky this overall design is, but I can 100% see this. Being used for base defense! Might even be perfect for ambushing larger and unsuspecting ships and players...

[@marty7442]

LMAO... Almost like the quick-change back and forth from pistol-AWP in CSGO.

[@Eclipsed_Archon]

The irony when you realize that in real life dismantling and remaking a railgun is actually the best way to fire a second shot xD

[@torianemoia]

Hope they patch this tbh. i prefer more clever and complex systems for stuff like this like a gatling gun. The complexity of that system balances it compared to this. Good job finding this exploit tho!

[@beispieltext3754]

almost a week out and everything is going not intended😂

[@zachf.7854]

My faction lost both of our flagships to a single frigate that had a system like this.

[@bandannadee9370]

I knew this bug will appear again

[@Exis247]

Alternatively, rotary railgun. 12 railguns set on a rotor should theoretically be round 5 seconds per railgun after the first 12 shots. and it would look cool. just make sure to give Clang his daily sacrifice or it will disintegrate you and everything you love.

[@marekpastyrik1888]

i would not have guest this in a milion years

[@jeffers9001]

It’s balanced they said, it’s got a long charge time they said, clearly keen underestimated their player base😂

[@thatoneguy2886]

i hope they don't patch this because, when you think about it picking up a new gun IS faster than reloading it, thats why i never reload my guns and just buy new ones

[@discopistons]

make it spin. Railgun go brrrrrr.....

[@discopistons]

Seriously though, nice work! Keep it up engineer!

[@ColinRichardson]

Reminds me of the infinite energy from stone 'exploit'

[@kitsunekaze93]

its finite! just gonna take a very very long time to consume all the stone in the solarsystem! would work in real life as well using chemical batteries, like the simplest copper zinc saltwater, just very lossy and not worth it

[@ragnarrocksoft9096]

At least this one will be easily fixed

[@Humanoidmp]

Just like jump drives

[@nonyabisness6306]

Fantastic.

[@HKC62]

Amazing Idea!

[@talongrey7492]

Please do more ship battles. I really think those are cool and I'm sure you will get good views.

[@Anuwabu]

Enjoy this while it lasts because it'll surely be changed so that they have zero power when initially built.

[@goodtown3258]

because the rail gun is one large block, you only need 1 grinder and 2 welder.

[@kitalthevali]

it's probably done like this for the sake of speed especially if the welders/grinders are set to "help others"

[@Daddy_Damo]

Exactly. It would work with one grinder and one welder but the railgun has so many components it wouldnt really save much time

[@TomJerry12933]

hm, theres the easy fix by just making the thing need to charge after construction, the still-easy solution of adding batterys so it costs something to do this and the hard solution of rebalancing grinding/fire-rate of the thing while keeping it to what keen desired for the block. (rebalancing is NOT as simple as adjusting the numbers around, let alone for the single weapon, not unless your assuming that Keen doesn't care about how the different weapons compare to eachother) then theres the super-easy solution of just letting the thing be balanced by the extra weight, space and resource cost alongside the power. cas obviously this is strong...but is it stronger then a similar amount of space worth of rails firing? not sure about that even if the shots-per-minute is higher. Cas in most cases I suspect having 5 shots together is worth a surprising amount more then 5 times as many shots-per-minute even before the energy cost of the welder/grinders. Cas thats 5 shots parallel to eachother so that what they hit is pretty throughly gutted (if theres anything worth hitting where your pointing in the first place oc) AND its up-front so you don't have to wait 4*5 seconds to get it. plus, I suspect that you can put rails behind one another and shifted slightly to get a rail that has about as much cross-sectional area, if 2-3 times the space and a enourmous power-draw, but can put 15-ish shots in near perfect sync with eachother near-instantly and.........that..... would *instantly* kill pretty much anything that your likely to be capable of hitting. that being said, I think the best solution is to make railguns have damage stats proprotional to how much energy you put in so that the thing having long recharge time is explictly why its useful---so you CAN fire it every 4 seconds but there's little gain. the 60 second recharge is just how long it takes to reach full power (I feel like if the games mechanics accidentally let this exploit in, then there might be a legit reason for it to be there, so-to-speak.....cas I don't believe in coincidences).

[@mortigoth]

Someone did it with jump drives once upon a time somewhy...

[@Daddy_Damo]

I actually have a tutorial on this channel on how to make a rapid recharge jump drive lol

[@OfficialUSKRprogram]

I think if you bother to build a system like this on your ship, bear in mind battle damage, you definitively deserve a higher fire rate. With that said yeah it's kinda stupid that it spawns fully charged

[@TheJeScast]

i was just waiting for someone to post a survival friendly exploit hahaha public servers are going to get so scuffed xD

[@mrooshoo]

Imagine using this in a multiplayer server.

[@TyDaleChannel]

omg you win...

[@HarryL2020]

Keen moment

[@leakingamps2050]

How are you making them autofire once they gun is built? Could you use this with a sighting gun to use turret AI too?

[@Daddy_Damo]

Set the "Shoot" option in the railgun blueprint to on and itll fire as soon as its built

[@smokecrash2147]

Now make this into a minigun

[@daemonCaptrix]

I was wondering if this was possible.

[@bradknightable]

Wouldn't work with the aw scrap mod. But damn does that need fixing

[@Sinaduel]

Another testament of keen coding.

[@salieri_sg9413]

Just build a mass driver? they are like 20 times more destructive

[@jonathanvillegas4900]

😂Imagine having this on the moon.

[@stanislambaksov]

Railgun just needs to be reloaded after being created to avoid this exploit

[@lechking941]

thing is, they already are empty BUT he has it convayered up just out of sight so he gets fed ammo, most say give it 0 charge and i agree. rail guns are ment to be made pre maturlly and not in feild like that

[@kitsunekaze93]

players, players always find a way

[@flowerlord0]

How in the world, I tried this yesterday and it was impossible. When you build arail gun, it can't fire immediately, it still needs to recharge. How in the world did you get it to spawn fully charged???

[@sickmit3481]

creative mode maybe

[@Daddy_Damo]

Railgun blueprint has to be fully charged

[@SUNDREDSTAR]

@@Daddy_Damo are the welders or the railgun on a sub grid?

[@talinpeacy7222]

Make a railgun, charge it up, make a blueprint of fully charged railgun, project fully charged railgun blueprint, it will build with full charge.

[@Daddy_Damo]

@@SUNDREDSTAR Welders on the main grid, grinders on a subgrid

[@ismailyumak9970]

I was going to do this! Alas! He did it before i do 😂👏

[@noahbluecoat]

Seem to be a good idea but won't that waste resources as well?

[@UnicaLuce]

tried the same with artillery, unfortunately it doesnt work.. if only the arty was small grid too.. occupying 1x1x4 large grid blocks to do 1 heavy block of damage every 12 seconds IS GARBAGE

[@stratometal]

Nuts!

[@tiger4092]

This is so getting patched

[@c.jandrews304]

Sorry if this has been asked already but, how does this work with ammunition plumped to it? Is it set to only have one round at a time? I'm legitimately curious because I might try this in a survival scenario

[@teslashark]

Yeah, it's built with one in the magazine.

[@c.jandrews304]

@@teslashark oh cool I didn't know that was a thing. I guess it shows I haven't messed with the weapons much yet

[@ltdoc]

I want to play this game so bad, but my PC is a literal fucking potato

[@PhoenixBlade]

People complaining about this is almost as funny as watching this actually work haha

[@a-aron3847]

Honestly expect this to be patched at some point, still awesome tho lol

[@JollywoodJoel]

uh oh... exploit found

[@riffzifnab9254]

Wait, that's illegal! (:

[@lohostege]

Effective anti-capital gun?

[@Sergeant_Morf]

This op, does this still work..

[@Daddy_Damo]

Nope, patched with the last update. Same with the jump drives

[@H_Eli]

Oh

[@illusiveman1613]

Blueprint?

[@Daddy_Damo]

steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2746102452

[@Engineer.4200]

And the rail gun needs a nerf lol

[@Ming1975]

Hahahaha! What's KEEN gona do about this now? Wait, they can just make the rail gun empty charged once built -_-

[@btw_ole7932]

Dont tell the others... else it will get fixed!!

[@Azraiel213]

Cheeky 😆