space marine 2 SUCKS and is MID at best. WORSE THAN HELL DIVERS 2?

[@TannerLindberg]

TURNS OUT I FUCKING CALLED IT SAY SORRY AND IM RIGHT, RIGHT NOW

[@thunderclap2060]

i love the rambling

[@Metabolter]

It’s great to hear this perspective and still love playing the game, valid points all around and I can see/feel the flaws but still love the game and generally I think more casual people do. I just hope saber listens to the community and has a major overhaul with systems like damage and armor/heath. They have a decent track record so we shall see the game has only been out a week after all.

[@Alasthors]

As said in a longer response I made under: they should take note of Fatshark's work on V2 or DT to balance their game in melee or range direction.

[@davewolfe2668]

All valid points. I still love the game but I am all for the devs making improvements.

[@baneswrath8234]

@@be.a.7462well worth it the game just needs some polishing in a few areas

[@Shion_VI]

The more worked up you get, the more I feel like I'm listening to a character on South Park laying in to Cartman.

[@NeilOrellana]

Not his fault the game fucken sucks lol

[@pushrod3022]

I’d rather have WAY more enemies that were made less tanky than the bullet sponges they have now. Executions need to be sped up too IMO. The load screens are insane too I agree.

[@tnnaas]

tbh I thought you guys were actually stuck in a 1hr loading screen and that would have been so hilarious as background to your very legitimate raging. lol

[@GBSword]

I feel more powerful playing as a reject than a guy in a power armor

[@professormoriarthus]

isnt that right!!! SM2 combat SUCKSSSSSSSSSSSS

[@ChibiViolin]

Been saying this since day 1. How do I feel more powerful as a guardsman than I do as Space Marine.

[@TheAtomicWarrior]

I don't necessarily despise the game, but there is something very endearing about surviving suicide missions as the average joe than genetically modified gorillas in power armor.

[@kneecaps2000]

It's because like with Gears of War...I don't feel connected to the combat. It feels remote. Somehow Helldivers avoids this

[@Marzellus1991]

​@@kneecaps2000Yea in Gears the combat felt way better and rewarding to commit on any action

[@silverkingprime2121]

It's almost like the leaked build was not year/s old but only 6 months and It's literally the same as the final product(including long loading screens and crashing) Wow and people were saying: "iT's jUsT dEv bUild, it will get better at release" Well guess what In fact it did not get better

[@big_tasty1]

literally the only change I could see was that in the dev build you didn't have two AI teammates to clear trash for you and there was no mission select in game.

[@12halo3]

Preorder cope is something.

[@Ssalamanderr]

It's always hilarious when early previews are incredibly dire and then people think that fundamental issues will be fixed in like 2 weeks

[@isopodspouse]

Guns literally tripling in damage as you progress is just completely insane to me. Darktide isn't fully innocent of this, jumping into Malice (first fun difficulty) with a fresh character was also awful but at least in that game you only really suffer against armored enemies, and you can circumvent that with anti armor tools.

[@keegandoa]

i just did t4 difficulty as a level 4 and did perfectly fine

[@isopodspouse]

I remember playing a fresh ogryn on malice and killing maulers would take me so long I started boxing them on sight

[@bluespidergaming7719]

Rock meet heratic​@@isopodspouse

[@J.B.1982]

Yeah but in Darktide you can level on lower difficulties until you get stronger. In SM2 you need to go up in difficulty to get upgrade materials. The game feels terribly balanced when you are even at the recommended level. I’m 5 levels above recommended with green weapons and tier 3 difficulty feels terrible. Like 9 shots with the Heavy Melta to kill a Chaos Marine. Wut?

[@naan-jf9gh]

Darktide is amazing, SM2 is nothing.

[@ethangraner7102]

I couldn’t agree more, the difficulty is just enemies having more health(most boring concept ever created), which when you get stronger weapons, balances out. So literally difficulty 4 once you’re maxed just feels like a difficulty 1. Man would be cool to use that swarm generator to face more enemies and feel like an actual space marine. Or ya know, make the enemies behave different in higher difficulties, new boss mechanics, ya know how any other game goes. Idk just do exactly what darktide did Our first difficulty 4 game, where we all had tier 3 weps, we had the armor core and were about to kill the mini boss and we all crashed.

[@RSK412]

Instead they chose cheap qtes and rubber banding instead. its so lazy.

[@MrVictor1227]

Darktide is just more compeling and fun for me to play and I dont get bored of it. SM 2 feels like I would get bored very fast

[@SteveAkaDarktimes]

Darktide has excellent Skill expression and Difficulty scaling. loads of builds and weapon options. also Fatshark proved their willing to support and completely Rebuild entire segments of the game. Vermintide 2 is also still fun.

[@Endor2001]

Yes, and Darktide also has way better sound design. The music is amazing and the sound effects, especially from the guns and chainswords are bombastic. Space Marine 2 has absolutely terrible sound effects compared to any game really, but definitely compared to Darktide.

[@borislavrusev972]

Preordered gold edition, played and wondered what kind of a lunatic decided that having 4 separate binds for melee, shooting,block and aim makes sense for MnK in 2024. But though, dont be a muppet youll get used to it. Then i realised im just doing QTE-s most of the time and just like one of you said "QTE-s in 2024" naaah. Refunded and back to Darktide. Now that i've watched this and seen all the other BS that i didnt get to see im even happier with my choice.

[@Sparkhead-77]

I feel so validated now. I knew I wasn't the only one who felt like the melee combat awful. This clunky-ass button mash system paired with low damage outputs really makes you realize how much smoother and in-depth the melee combat is in Darktide as opposed to SM2.

[@thechadcruzaider7864]

It was also much faster in the first game

[@bleeem]

not having a BLOCK BUTTON in 2024 is the most offensive thing you can have in any game with melee combat.

[@DJ5780]

I needed this. I'm sick of the incessant glazing over this mid game.

[@ImperialArmour]

kinda hard to hear when talking over each other and at different mic volumes.

[@assasir2905]

Only RealAsianRobot can save SM2 now, it's gg

[@Idk-ky4kb]

I’m just pissed of that we didn’t get that sweet deathwatch drip from the opening cinematic

[@TannerLindberg]

This actually bothers me

[@DanandDrake]

There was a mod you could use to get that original first born outfit but the new patch that came out literally yesterday means your game will auto crash as soon as you start it if it’s downloaded LMAO. GW or whoever’s managing this shit really fucking hate first born and wanna shill primaris hard. If they released even 1 mk7 helmet literally no one would be using anything other than that.

[@ethangraner7102]

The operations maps replay feel bad, it feels like the same map every time. Darktide maps actually feel like they change

[@DevlVergil]

honestly, I like the SM2 maps more simply because they have a bit more diverse assets than your typical Darktide Iron Fortress. I understand that it's mainly a lore thing that those hive cities basically supposed to all look like this but it's kinda boring after the 10th time. Vermintide also had much more variety when it came to map scenery.

[@thechadcruzaider7864]

Vanilla SM1 customization was more in depth than this, augmented mod goes even further

[@SkramaxVespero]

The first honest "review"of the game I have seen on YT from all those so called independent content creators on the the platform..

[@DesignInYourOwnTime]

Also spacemarine 1 gave you health back and it made this awesome dynamic on the higher difficulties.

[@bubbajoe117]

I just want something to fill the hole in me that Mass Effect 3 multiplayer left. On an unrelated note Tanner, idk if it’s your cup of tea but I’d highly recommend buying and playing through the Dawn of War games if you like RTS (DOW 3 doesn’t exist) and want more from the setting of 40K that’s actually good

[@Marzellus1991]

I miss ME3 multi-player so bad, it was so good I played that mode for over two years straight

[@bubbajoe117]

@@Marzellus1991 Same dude, I played it religiously for a long time, still never got all the weapons or their upgrades, the black widow continues to elude me to this day LMAO, people still play it though! At least on Xbox, I actually redownloaded it and launched it on my series X and played a few rounds earlier and got a full lobby by the time the 4th wave rolled around.

[@Marzellus1991]

@@bubbajoe117 Didn't even know people still played it that's cool. Andromeda left a hole in me on how much they screwed up that game. I never got Black Widow past IX cause the rng just wouldn't let me max it or the super rare guns. Acolyte pistol became my bread and butter when they introduced the Collectors into the multi. God i miss this trilogy. I wish with the remaster they brought the multiplayer back i be religiously on it right now.

[@Combine96]

ME3 MP Gamers rise up

[@galeforcebeach]

Was waiting for this. Preach on the loading screens. 0 endgame. Back to darktide we go

[@sentient9478]

Holy shit after I just finished watching this, KZbin recommends me a members-first Pirate Software video where within the first 60 seconds, Thor is praising the game's progression and claiming it is a feature complete game... HOLY SHIT. Who do I believe??? As much as I love Pirate Software and Thor, I have to respect your opinions, insights and experience with this game Tanner. I'm not buying Helldivers 2 again for 50% more money with 50% less content.

[@n1ght7ngale]

I'll go through evrything wrong with thors video on spm2 right here for you point by point. feature complete??? What feature is complete? The campaign with its cliffhanger and 6 hrs of content? The pve with six missions? The Pvp with 3 maps? No bugs, only minor ones??? Did this guy not get stuck in a loading screen, or shit through a floor? How about getting hard locked on objectives, or crashing constantly? How about having to task manager to close the game?? "mountainous progression" hrs in and not 1 lvl 25? Simply because progression is taking you a long time doesn't mean it's good. It's also insane to me that it takes that long. People have had all classes at max for awhile now at this point. Wtf has he been doing? muh roadmap "it's really good" "bonkers" Completely grazes over the fact that the season 1 "content" like priv lobbies and ultra wide support should have been there before the game even came out. Actually acts like it's just "more content" Talks about season two. Says more missions is good. Yes, if they are good missions. The missions currently in the game don't really scream good game design though, and if the missions are a slog no one will do them and it might as well have never been added. Talks about difficultly 5, "lethal". Says he's still stuck on difficultly 3 THIRTY HOURS IN lol. I think that says enough about his understanding of the game. I don't think he realizes the only difference between the difficulties is enemy hp. Difficulty 4 is not hard. The enemies just have alot of health. Tanner Lindberg here beat it decently easy with white weapons and basically no perks on the class or gun. Difficulty 5 will just be another health increase. Amazing. Grazes over the new weapon, because no one really cares and if it isn't good then it doesn't matter. Thinks new enemy means new enemy faction. He is REALLY just seeing what he wants to see in the roadmap and not what it actually says. In no way does new enemy insinuate an entire new faction. It means a new mini boss or something of the sort. Forgets to mention that one or two new pvp maps in a year when there is only 3 at launch is not a good look for the amount of content planned for a live service. Prestige system is probably alright, depending on how they do it. If it's poorly implemented then no one will even interact with it. Should have been in the game at launch as well. Battle barge expansion, whatever that means. Reads out season 4, which is a year from now. A horde mode, a new gun, and a new enemy. Then states it's a shitload of content. Two new guns in a year? Two pvp map? Like 3 poorly designed missions? Not they are specific in the numbers of course. Three new extremis enemies most likely? Horde mode? Does it take a year to just make an endless loop of the last area in mission one? Games used to LAUNCH with content like this and it was the STANDARD. They are feeding you SHIT and expecting you to good "mmmm, yum!" He genuinely thinks the game has a ton of content right now, which is hilarious. One campaign which without cutscenes is like 4 hours. No reward for doing it on anything above easy. A pve mode with 6 missions at launch. Six. You can play through all of them in one play session, and in order to max any classes you will be playing them dozens of times each. It gets old. Very fast. The missions aren't even that complex or long. 3 PVP MAPS. THREE. WITH HORRIBLE BALANCE. AND THREE MODES. Acts like it's a triumph for modern games with it's 100 deluxe edition, early access, buggy launch, terrible balance with no content and shitty roadmap. Really breaking the mold. If this game wasn't 40k it would be dead in the water. Literally Concord level of mid. Somehow thinks that the media doesn't like space marine? Like he is in the minority for liking it? This is the same guy who loved helldivers until it had a PR nightmare and didn't want to be associated with liking it anymore btw. He will shit on valorant, one of the most competitive games on the market with THE best anti cheat for having kernel level access, but I guess it was cool when helldivers did it lol. What a trend riding corporate bootlicker. I guess saying things confidently in KZbin shorts is all you need for people to like you now. What a disaster youtube has become.

[@n1ght7ngale]

tldr don't listen to casual boomers on anything 40k related.

[@depress0coffee]

The only bug I had on PS5 was a camera glitch during an execution. No going through floors, no hard locked objectives, no crashes at all. Load times have been totally fine on an SSD. Campaign didnt end on a cliffhanger, it ended on a "where will the story go next?" - totally different. I will say progression in PVP is pretty damn slow though, and there are really weird hit detection issues at times, and I will agree balancing needs to happen - it's very much rock-paper-scissors and sometimes its a hard fucking rock that there is nothing you can do about it (looking at you Bulwark and your invulnerability)

[@TannerLindberg]

Thor is genuinely a moron. And seen as kind of a lolcow outside of like normie circles. 90% of his takes are horrifically bad they are just tailored to sound good in the context of a youtube short

[@n1ght7ngale]

@@TannerLindberg he's actually, funny enough, a perfect example of "game dev sentiment = how good the game is" normies love him, and his game has insanely positive reviews. His game isn't good. But they like thor so they give it a positive review. It's staggering how many reviews just state such. If he groomed a minor or something the game would get overwhelming bad reviews. Game is still the same. It was always bad. It's just marketing. How many people actually play through games with a critical eye nowadays before reviewing? None really. If other people like it, they do and vice versa. All marketing bs.

[@RSK412]

Being a space marine should feel powerful. I feel like a marshmellow marine in this game. Just so many bad design choices. The game is bad.

[@RSK412]

It also runs at 5000°F in the menus. like.....

[@Aleyofication]

Astartes are fine, you are just bad bro

[@Pitax125]

3x Primaris sent over to operation to kill over 100 Thousand Sons - My ChArAcTeR fEeLs NoT pOwErFuL The setting is specifically set up in against the odds of Primaris Marines. The fact that they can win any of the operations the way people do is absolutely ridiculous but hey, Ultramarines I guess. Anyways, you cannot possibly be more powerful than this in Warhammer 40k, what do you want, be able to defeat Magnus one on one?

[@grimreaper5004]

​@@Pitax125friend you actually missed the point by fucking miles we dont talk about feeling powerful lore wise its a hack amd slash game obviously you need to bend the lore to actually make a fun game its just gameplay wise you feel weak as shit higher difficulty's it is basically required to constantly roll minoris enemies tear thought your power armor like butter to actually feel powerful you need to play the game as it was not intended otherwise your gonna be dead on the first encounter on ruthless difficulty it needs some serious rebalancing especially melee

[@Pitax125]

@@grimreaper5004 you do sound as ridiculous as the toilet sitters. The higher difficulty is only hard to either console players or people who cannot put in two buttons at the same time. Literally learn how to perfect dodge, parry, gunstrike - master up your builds and perks before 4th diff and you will see massive improvements. I doubt half of the people here even use objective traps to gain massive advantage at some maps or actual class mechs. The only thing I'd personally have any objections with are shooting enemies having more damage than they should. Thats it. Get better and stop whining, game is fun to master. Son if you'd be born with that mentality at the years of starcraft broodwar you'd be absolutely mentally broken.

[@ByztinBadger]

Why does every Warhammer game in existence have the most god awful half baked launches in existence?

[@Grev..]

Bro this games launch is pretty damn good compared to how most games launches nowadays

[@YungFozz]

Average videogame doomer

[@Grev..]

@@be.a.7462 yes

[@Grev..]

@@Dubulcle hell yes

[@squellorosso]

*why does every game* I think it's more correct

[@OrAngelicBlitz8633]

Thanks for doing this Tanner. It helps me think about what I'm doing more and Im glad i saw most of the same issues.

[@synthetic144]

So much hype, can’t take anyone serious anymore

[@guillermomarini9614]

Since there's plenty comments I don't know if it was mentioned before, but regarding the Marine's death during the traitor guardsmen scene: I've seen a different version of that scene, and I'm not sure if this has to do with the game's official release vs the early access people got, but in that other version the Primaris has a different helmet (red and white) and after the explosion you can see a piece of metal sticking out of his eye. The death and blood are because a piece of metal pierced through his visor, right through his eyeball and into his brain (which also explains the blood). Now, I don't know if it's even lore-plausible that a piece of sharpnel could get past that specific part of the helmet, but the odds of that happening seem so extremely low that it feels even more nitpicky to point out the actual cause of death than any of the reasons why a marine could easily survive a point blank explosive.

[@KlemenAEQ]

2:17:07 Couldn't agree more. SM2 was my introduction to Warhammer, and I bought Darktide soon after. And I wasn't even that big into L4D style games (I only had 20 hours in L4D2 and 7.5 hours in DRG). SM2 has 22 hours and Darktide, so far, has 84 hours of playtime and I'm still not bored of it. I just uninstalled SM2 as well.

[@doomwhale8104]

I agree with this but you talking over your pals is really annoying, let them speak

[@bleeem]

specially when you are a femboy screaming like a south park character

[@BlueEyesWhiteViera]

I'm sure this video won't garner any controversy at all.

[@n1ght7ngale]

surely not

[@Ayeshire]

clueless

[@TannerLindberg]

hopefully not but i didnt do my self any favors

[@Sunbowl]

Just like helldivers, there will be a Time, then they realize

[@jelstone20]

I'm sure that wasn't the intent behind it at all.

[@Jack-d7i]

matchmaking is terrible, weapon viability is trash - most classes are useless without melta, health and armour system is just plain bad. 100hrs in operations and am completely over the game there is just so many terrible design choices that i doubt will ever be fixed. 5/10 at best

[@J.B.1982]

If they create other opportunities to regain armor it would help a lot. Competing with players for armor regen, walking across the battlefield to do an execution and watch an animation I’ve seen over and over, it’s horrendous game design.

[@Jack-d7i]

@@J.B.1982 they need to rework the armor system into something similar to darktides toughness system, a hit from a trash mob takes an entire chunk of armor, while that is happening you're being peppered from all angles by trash mob range enemies and there is no consistent way to prevent damage / regen armor and/or health unless you just dodge roll for minutes at a time, praying you dont go down. positional play is non existent because spawns are so over the top and seemingly unfair that it doesn't matter which enemy you target first, 99% of the time the game will just spawn more range units behind you like 40 meters away and you're back at square one. it's super frustrating.

[@J.B.1982]

@@Jack-d7i I’ve noticed that too and yeah, similar to Darktide would be great. I’m on break from that game currently. Lol. Killing an elite without the execution should give you an armor or even half an armor. That’s an easy addition. More perk options too.

[@hipnoe6279]

After watching this whole video, I have to say it’s so refreshing to see genuine gamers who actually understand the game they’re talking about go over its shortcomings in detail. I’m so sick of all the trend riding and lukewarm fence riding half baked takes of the major KZbinrs. It’s just nice to hear actual gamers who know what they’re talking about speak their mind.

[@MONTR65]

They are just hyping it up because it isnt absolute AAA slop and "Woke " like most games that came out recently

[@bleeem]

@@MONTR65 "most games" aka the only games these weirdos pay attention to for some reason even though they HATE those types of games.

[@fosterbennington6405]

Tbh I just didn't want to play it because I heard they made Titus a Primaris and I like to pretend that 40k has not changed in the last 10+ years.

[@Cxdfc]

On my RTX40-something I can AltF4… but it takes 30 seconds of *loading quit?* Real strange

[@ChibiViolin]

This is the only game I've ever played that slows down my xbox when its running in the background.

[@solitaryblue1363]

saved me $60. looking forward to the upcoming darktide update, will pick up SM2 in the future on heavy sale

[@Mohammed-u9e8c]

"My fucking N word, its 2024" HAHHAHAHAAHAH. From Warframe to this, You never disappoint lol.

[@OrAngelicBlitz8633]

53:24 "This isn't even drip-feed, this is Chinese water torture!" 😂 Truuuee!

[@sydious_s_snake]

It's a nice time sink till something interesting gets an update or comes along, if that season 2 update isn't substantial, which I doubt it will be, it won't last till the end of the month. On top of that, horde mode not being in there till next year is a huuuuge turn off

[@TannerLindberg]

i think this sums up this video pretty well

[@kingawesome5219]

Focus making SM2: We worked hard on our Swarm system to get as many enemies on the screen as possible. *maxes out at 30-50 in a wave* Capcom making Exoprimal: So there’s gonna be a bonus round in some of our matches where each team is tasked with killing a 1000 raptors and we’ll just spawn at least 100 at once. Sandlot making Earth Defense Force: We just kept spawning enemies, explosions, and debris until our frame rate dropped.

[@BatteryStaples]

I think your content improved a lot, you let your co-hosts speak more now and you also build on their points better. Good job man, really enjoyed this

[@kneecaps2000]

This took me right back to Darktide. You're wrong on Helldivers it's fun, but not for hardcore min maxers like you for sure.

[@n1ght7ngale]

Watching paint dry is fun if you're doing it with friends.

[@kingofgirth8609]

After hearing you guys out I now realize the real reason I like this game is only because vanguard with the melta is just braindead good fun. Similar reason i liked helldivers 2, the arc thrower was hella fun. If they ever start pumping out nurfs I will dip from the game immediatly just like I did when arrowhead nurfed the arc thrower. I also think the prologue was really good as a super casual WH lore fan, THAT felt like something close to grimdark

[@Nekros-t9e]

Little did they know, it was only going to get worse with 4.0

[@big_tasty1]

gamers continuing to show the industry we don't actually give a shit about gameplay and will just instabuy the flashiest and most marketed game of the season.

[@krism.6598]

It’s a sequel to a cult classic from the PS3 era that people have been hyped about for two years. Don’t be so pretentious, no one on KZbin is going to think you’re cool.

[@lulz5319]

"cult classic" lol lmao even

[@MrVictor1227]

​@@krism.6598 Cult Classic 😂😂😂😂

[@YungFozz]

@@krism.6598these are the same people crying their eyes out while playing 500 hours of the game they apparently “hate” so much

[@Cxdfc]

Headshots feel like only a 50% increase rather than double- but even with that, being good at Bolt pistol 9 damage becomes 13.5 which you can spam at the relatively static enemies, outdoing the power sword’s 11… without the 0.5 second animation windup between swings… from 30’ away…. So in 2 seconds you get 4 bolt pistol headshots for 54 damage or swing power sword twice for 22 damage… if you have less aim, and hit 3 bolt pistol shots at torso…. Still 27 damage in that same 2 seconds… VS 22 from sword. I think tripling Melee damage is in order… or better yet, Double the Base melee damage. Then triple every situational melee perk/ class buff for melee. (Example: Give Assault a Perk called… idk, *RECIPROCITY:* on perfect Dodge you deal +75% melee damage and for 10 seconds)

[@Matthewjs33]

It's impressive how long it took them to release a sequel that's one tenth as good as its predecessor.

[@bronze1895]

Example how unfinished this game is 1. Massive connection issues 2. Loading times are suuuuper long despite requiring a M.2 3. Infinite Loading screen BUGS 4. Matchmaking bugs and issues 5. No mouse settings beyond 1 sensitivity. 6. No FOV or ultra-wide (you can actually tell that ultra wide should be working because you can see pings markers over the black bars so to make the game 16:9 they just shoved black bars on your screen) 7. Enemies able to shoot through walls 8. Game crashes

[@llGreyll.]

All these are simply bugs that can be fixed with a single patch and or minor things that can be adjusted. Really don’t see why you would use this as an example.

[@bronze1895]

So your saying that aim sensitivity and massive loading times, lack of settings in general, a matchmaking system that does not matchmake when it should, enemies shooting through walls are not things they could have seen and finished before release and are NOT half baked? You are actually retarded.

[@Indy2109]

@@llGreyll.the point was this games unfinished 😭 and your response is “these can all be fixed at a later time” you’re literally proving his point still

[@llGreyll.]

@@Indy2109 If you’re going to quote me, do it right. I don’t see anywhere that I said at a later time, I stand by my point entirely. A single patch could fix everything he said, a patch that could be dropped within the first week or two of release. None of this indicates a game being unfinished, most games if not all drop with bugs. Skyrim was a nightmare yet it wasn’t received with hate like you people try to do with every game now. Nothing is good enough anymore for you kids, it’s sad.

[@Indy2109]

@@llGreyll. a patch implies a later time, which could also lead to them never being fixed. And these aren’t just small bugs these are major issues that causes the game to be unplayable for people, if you tried to start Skyrim and instead of loading in it just gives you a infinite loading screen would you still continue to play the game? Same with the connection issues the game has. First player impressions are a big part for if a games lifespan continues or not. After that dlc content. It shouldn’t be buggy game first then updates to fix said buggy game then dlc content

[@takayama8060]

The progression is going to get worst, much worst. Just wait for the prestige system when the upgrades get even stronger and you have to start from level 1 multiple times just to max out your kit..

[@Foneio]

What is the prestige system?

[@takayama8060]

@@Foneio It's MW call of duty's progression but instead of getting emblems you reset your rank and a lose your current gear and grind back to the max rank again to unlock more upgrades or class perks. Look at world war z the games progression system. It greatly increases the grind needed to reach a classes full potential.

[@tuckergymnest0]

Tbh I didn't mind the grind in wwz. Although the game felt much better to play and had more depth in how you could setup to defend swarms. Not to mention the perks actually felt meaningful in nuanced ways. Hearing that the enemies in the bug swarms approaching the all in this game are fake kind of turned me off completely from this game. Idk if this is how it worked in wwz but I'm pretty sure it didn't. You could hold some swarms off without a single zombie getting in with a good team.

[@grimreaper5004]

I dont mind the prestige system and the grind i actually think is a bery good idea in a game like this and you constantly stive to improve BUT the perks better be worth it and actually make me feel like A POWERFUL VETERAN SPACE MARINE and not give me a 5% Melee boost for grinding 25 lvls

[@tuckergymnest0]

@grimreaper5004 lol they're gonna have to make some pretty good perks and buff the bolter guns. I really wish I could use them and not get stomped. Tbh I hope the nerf the melta into the ground so they're forced to fix the rest of the game.

[@dabsallday107]

You guys saved me $60, thank you for your service.

[@InfestedINC]

@dabsallday107 it's a fun game not a good game lol

[@mitchelltaylor9958]

@@InfestedINC incredibly accurate, it's like eating junkfood: tastes good but it's not good for you

[@draconicrift8974]

Legend says they are still on that loading screen to get into the mission.

[@Marzellus1991]

This was therapeutic. Everyone has hyped this game up so much, but melee is so garbage. But no one wants to really say it

[@MH-kj8zs]

DONT SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THIS GAME. THEY WILL EAT YOU.

[@zaruuchshekel5806]

Bro sounds like cartman

[@scoticvsgossage9378]

To your point about the trans writer: they were fired early on in production. They worked on it for maybe a year and then were dropped after their extremist views were exposed. Many of which were typical man hating/straight hating. Most of those videos were made before that became common fact.

[@nomore2226]

Huge 40k fan here. I paint and build the miniatures and play the table top. Love 40k. But this game??? Meh at best. It's the same old game I've already played a hundred times before over the last 20 years. It's basically Dynasty Warriors meets Gears of War. Nothing new. Nothing innovative. It's just a 40k skin slapped onto a game that has been rehashed over and over again. Waste of my money. 3 days of having the game and I'm ready to just go back to painting models. If you really want a good 40k game, then go get DAWN OF WAR and the expansions.

[@J.B.1982]

If you remove the WH lore it’s objectively mid, if not bad. I’m pretty sure the video game industry is a big money laundering scheme. How this game made it out the door like this is beyond me.

[@Confusion-xf1hk]

Ok I WANT to listen to this but I just cant. Cuz the thing I feel im gonna get is "I dont like this game cuz some classes are much better than others and some weapons are busted and some stuff is bad". Whether or not thats true, thats the feeling I get from watching your meta videos and honestly while that works for making class guides, it is not something I wanna hear when someone is talking about how *good* a game is, because such a thing solely revolves around fun, not balance.

[@n1ght7ngale]

The only fun things are the good things because the bad stuff is miserable to play with.

[@katiexxii7578]

The only sensible person here, I feel like meta gaming and min maxing has poisoned people's brains to where they can't enjoy games properly anymore

[@alvisstalwart925]

See this is why I like your systems-first approach to game critique. No idea why so many people who play video games for a living are so allergic to making this kind of criticism and instead lean into the flavor of the month glazing nonsense that contributes to the cycle of unfinished, unpolished, and unoptimized games being released.

[@Yoo_Wats_Guuci]

Exactly. Gamers suffer from a lack of critical thinking.

[@obsidiancrow450]

they hated him because he told the truth

[@FeydTheRonin]

Game's 5/10 and without the GW franchise behind it, would be classified as one step above barely playable slop. It'll still make its money back purely on hype, but no one's going to be buying their overpriced DLC or Season passes or crap so they can festoon their shoulderpad with one additional skull while teleporting bullet sponges spawn by the thousands.

[@patio4niture781]

Your'e living in a bubble lol. People are going to buy it. Deal with it

[@FeydTheRonin]

@@patio4niture781 Bruh I know people who play AdMech at $1 = 1 Point. People like that will buy anything with a GW logo on it.

[@TalonSlav]

1:27:28 Another thing on this lol. As an Assault you have 3 jumps, which is essentially 3 regenerating frag grenades (because they insta-kill sometimes, as you mentioned earlier). On my first Capture and Control video, there's a timestamp 4:32 where the enemy team has the objective locked down. No contest. Bulwarks, heavies, tacticals, vanguard. They own the objective, my team cannot get in. What happens? I jump in 3 times, I get like 2 or 3 kills, and 2 kill assists, and while I die my team swoops in and takes easy kills on everyone left in. Capture and Control has basically NO balance. All the OP stuff can swing the fight in seconds, and there's almost no counterplay unless if you have wallhax I suppose. YOU CANNOT EVEN HEAR MY JUMP COMING

[@TalonSlav]

I just checked. I get 2 instant kills from 1 JUMP. 1 JUMP = 2 INSTANT KILLS you cannot respond to. Your only option is to duck out of cover and be mowed down by my team instantly. And that's if you hear or see me coming. I got 1 more kill from my last jump. Sure, I died, but I took literally the entire enemy team out in a position they couldn't be forced out of by any other class single-handedly within seconds.

[@RSK412]

My favorite part of the game is when I try to exit the game and walk away, only to come back 20 mins later to see its hard locked and my computer is about to catch fire. I have to use Task Manager to close it, every. time. Whoever designed this game MESSED UP.

[@luckycharm5904]

It crashed my Graphic card last game i played, both my screens went black and it took everything for my pc to restart. Uninstalled the game right after im not going back to it period. Had more fun on Helldivers than on this crap.

[@MyRedHulk]

His ranting is very entertaining. "I guess that traitor bussy hit different"

[@BoschizBasus]

this game sucks so much that i stopped playing at the virus bomb launch , the slow cluncky feel of the marine is shit

[@ChibiViolin]

Space Marine 2 is just a shitty reskin of their last game, World War Z. It is literally the same game except you have a power armour skin and the hoards are far less fun to fight agaisnt. You as a Space Marine, have the same survivability as the regular people you played as in that game. They didn’t even bother to change their formula to reflect that you're a super soldier in power armour.

[@J.B.1982]

Wow, that’s something else.

[@leejones4429]

Yea you are a super soldier in power armour but a lot of things we fight in the game lore wise, could kill space marines pretty easily. Hell you would need so many space marines to even take on a Hive tyrant. hive tyrant would kill space marines like nothing. The thousands sons marines can take you on too, especially their psykers are known to be very strong in lore. You would be a normal soldier compared to a lot of things in this game.

[@ChibiViolin]

@@leejones4429 The lore is inconsistent on this. Sometimes genestealers can easily defeat terminators and other times the Blood Angels can successfully fight a Hive fleet controlled by the hive mind itself. Since the devs got to choose they should have chosen the power fantasy.

[@projectgorgonfan]

70% like/dislike ratio world record speedrun

[@n1ght7ngale]

70 percent might be high for a vid like this LOL depends

[@projectgorgonfan]

@@n1ght7ngale us Tanner fans will HOLD THE LINE!!! FOR THE EMPEROR!!

[@TannerLindberg]

Wouldn't even be close to my lowest

[@javalsmith2594]

Moment i saw you could charge a thunderhammer and you cant even knockover an elite i knew it wasnt worth a buy

[@OrAngelicBlitz8633]

Oh shit that's awful! I haven't even tried to use the thunder hammer yet. 😅

[@onyxiusjeb77]

I can't believe we've fallen so far that this is a "golden standard" that casual andys praise for video games.

[@TheArnoldification]

IMO covid is partly to blame for this because it introduced a shitload of normie people to gaming and I feel like glazing over bad products started to get a lot more egregious in the early 2020's

[@Grooviebones]

The game has the same issues tabletop 10th ed. has lol. Everything is so non-lethal that you are hemmed into using the few optimal options just to feel at the appropriate power level.

[@RedReVenge007]

Found your channel today. Lots of great takes. What resonated with me was when you talked about how awful Hold the Ground is. I played that mode today and it was one of the worst experiences. Sticking to Seize for now as that one seems the most interesting.

[@mattheopichetti9258]

Armor restoration can currently be done with multimelta, it could be brought to all melee weapons. Every kill reduces armor recover time. This is in the weapons perk. So instead of the garbage perks they have, they could change them for this, for damage reduction, for health regen, for stun, etc

[@mitchelltaylor9958]

finally someone who isn't brain rotted by the ANTI WOKIES and buying into the andy hype. this game is pretty shlocky and pretty representative of a 2010 shooter 🤣. i simp over coop games but operations ain't really gonna keep me around unless it's with friends, otherwise i can't bear to play more than one mission with randos in a session. would definitely say it's a 5-6/10 at best even if they address the weird design choices they made on another tangent i actually really like helldivers 2, i feel like even with the limited progression it's still extremely fun to play with randos or friends (i feel like they nailed the core game loop). there are glaring issues like it being more optimal to just run away from enemies and yeet stratogems at bases and objectives to complete them. it does feel like the studio who makes HD2 feel directionless and are now throwing a kitchen sink of buffs at players lol. HD2 is a 6-7/10 IMO, and there are a lot of reasons why i think it doesn't reach their design goals and how they could rework the game to push players to interact with the game systems.

[@NxthanWhite]

Would be good if all these valid points were posted on Reddit or X. Hopefully it would get some traction and the devs would see it.

[@n1ght7ngale]

I don't think your average reddit lobotomite is in the headspace to receive feedback like this at the moment. Wait for saber to have some pr fuck up then post it. Then people will act like that's what they thought the whole time.

[@MONTR65]

​@n1ght7ngale There's actually a decent amount of posts criticizing Weapon and class balance , matchmaking etc.... But I doubt the devs even see that . Only youtube and the forum will get seen

[@BiosTheo]

So quick clarification about AC in games: they're all kolnel level. All of them, otherwise they wouldn't work. Valorant's is different because it runs at launch, which does prevent a lot of easy cheats. And Easy Anti Cheat does actually "work", there have been games with Easy Anti-Cheat and little to no hackers (and then games like Space Marine 2 with rampant hackers). The issue therein is devs treat Anti Cheat as some kind of bandaid they can slap on at the end of development and all their problems are solved, when even the Anti Cheat devs will TELL them it will not work because if the game itself has vulnerabilities because it doesn't follow best practices for code development, and primarily netcode end to end incryption etc., it will do fuck all. In reality, if we wanted cheating to be dramatically reduced on PC we need both devs to implement best practices day 1 when designing online games AND we need Microsoft to update the vulnerabilities that hackers exploit out of Windows.

[@cmHoderny]

I was very confused with all your sm2 content coming out. All is right in the world again.

[@n1ght7ngale]

he can make content on a game and grind it but not like it, he's just built like that.

[@OrAngelicBlitz8633]

This time around he wanted to show off more of how he goes about judging the game, rather than his approach with helldivers 2 where he only just talked about it.

[@ParryHotter204]

I was watching another streamer and their chat was saying how Darktide should’ve been more like Space Marines 2 😆

[@DJ5780]

😂

[@corvidcorax]

If Darktide had space marines instead they wouldn't be saying that, I guarantee you.

[@Crusher888]

@@corvidcoraxexactly lol

[@Jeficus]

This was very therapeutic. 🙂

[@Channel-23s]

As for the wacky culture war vids I’d say it’s either rage bait or just a continuous back and forth sorta like if people got mad at stellar blade or tries to cancel someone for nothing/past actions it’s a cycle of hate or complaints that goes on for years

[@MrVictor1227]

Endymion is garbage dude. So annoying

[@OrAngelicBlitz8633]

Did he have a take on Endymion? Can you share the time stamp?

[@MrVictor1227]

​@@OrAngelicBlitz8633 Yeah it is 1:01:10

[@antoniogivaldri5184]

How do you play a story driven campaign, and not watch the cutsecenes?

[@Purifactor]

Also.. they can’t add armour marks since primaris are bigger and badder and more childish looking 40k was ruined with primaris Change my mind

[@lorcan-_-]

the riding on helldivers 2 is crazy i love doing the same 3 missions over and over again with the same objectives while also being cockteased about an apparent 3rd enemy type that never appears in the game its quite fun overall helldivers 7/10

[@J.B.1982]

7/10 is a good game though.

[@TannerLindberg]

7 out of ten is extremely good. In fact it's almost perfect that means you are really a serious fan of a game.

[@TannerLindberg]

I would rate helldivers and space marine 2 as both 3 out of ten games

[@J.B.1982]

@@TannerLindberg That’s brutal. Lol. SM2 is a 5,6/10 for me. The WH lure and world design contributes. Music is solid. Voice acting is solid.

[@TannerLindberg]

music and voice acting dont make a game they only add to it. you can turn them both off and not lose much the fact those 2 things are the first and only things you mention as good speak volumes to how bad the game is

[@Shotgun_Gospel]

Im an hour and a half in, hoping you bring up the "special edition" that lets you access the game a day or two early for +50% of the base cost of an already expensive game. There's a concerning lump that's waiting to explode into a cancer, right there. Soon it'll be a week, and then it'll be a month delay if you buy the standard edition, mark my words. Peak masculine gaming, we are so back bros.

[@Nekros-t9e]

Torturing us with the loading screen just to make a point is evil

[@dylanpham6671]

About the thousand sons, they really should have more about them in game like having them talk more instead of killing another named marine for effect lol, imurah was the only one carrying.

[@Archmagos_Faber]

2:00:59 dreadnoughts are a housing for severely injured space marines, like only their primary organs can be salvaged. there are mech suits that look like dreadnoughts which a space marine can pilot called Invictor Tactical Warsuit.

[@WrittenOffski]

It just looks like a boring gears of war re-skin with button mashing melee. Asked a friend how he found Darktide and he said he didn't like it, but he's on SM2 every day. 💀

[@corvidcorax]

He's pobably caught in the space marine power fantasy. The only way you can enjoy this game is if you can immerse yourself or roleplay, but the game's flaws really don't make that easy at times.

[@Archmagos_Faber]

in regards to the neo-volkite pistol here is a description from the Warhammer 40k wiki: Volkite Weapons is an arcane term used by the Adeptus Mechanicus to refer to a class of powerful thermal ray weapons. So this means it will be like a hold to shot a beam I guess? maybe like the Focus Rifle from halo reach

[@andrewpollard8671]

You can use a volite rifle in Boltgun (boomer shooter). They also had the melta which has same mechanics as in SM2 so if the volkite pistol follows suit then the way it works in boltgun is a beam which you hold down until the target dies.

[@YizzTheEunuch]

Thanks Tanner & frens, I deeply appreciate the coverage you've done and I listened to most of your SM2 streams, definitely feel justified in my skepticism about the game. Also I agree with you about the culture war slop about the alphabet mafia, that's low IQ pot stirring that shouldn't affect intelligent decisions about gaming or politics. There are more serious things afoot, and I agree just because a person happens to check certain boxes doesn't automatically mean they're going to write political propaganda or be bad at a job (despite probability and previous examples, it's always #notall).

[@InfestedINC]

The femboy made another video.

[@InfestedINC]

Note: I agree with almost everything the femboy said.

[@dumpler5445]

There are issues most definitely, but this first patch could be huge (emphasis on huge). Also if you guys feel strongly about your critiques there’s always that developer FAQ submission thing. This isn’t to dismiss anyone but if we want the game to better we gotta at least try to help the devs

[@lieutenantcolonel3877]

honestly when i played SM 2 i had feeling that melee in First space marine form lik 2010 or so was bit better? tho i really wish to have 40k game with good melee mechanics

[@BenKLode]

Some of the points are heavily overexaggerated... but this video is absolutely right.

[@bozak5130]

You ever heard of/looked at GTFO before? It's been the actually good co-op shooter I been playing with buds last few weeks instead of this or darktide and been having an infinitely better time, I feel it'd be the kinda thing up your alley

[@n1ght7ngale]

I should try it, I've never got into it but it looks cool

[@bradley6471]

I tried it but do not get the appeal at all, it's a bad horror game... on top of a bad stealth game. Maybe I'm being overly critical because it seems everyone else loves it but I genuinely do not see why.

[@jaxl2983]

I don't know if it'll get better but I feel if troubles are addressed early on it'll do better

[@xYamakaze]

Shoutouts to the 360p gang

[@amtrent123]

1:49:45 The same ultimate enemy we used to wound the big tyranid. A cheeky piece of rebar through the visor accelerated by an explosion. I think the imperium has really got put research into weaponizing rebar, seems pretty good as a weapon if the games cutscenes are anything to go by

[@MrHarry5518]

Yeah this game feels like a generic sci fi game from the previous decade with a 40k skin, as a 40k fan since the Dawn of War 1 pc games this game lore wise is a travesty, space marines bitching at each other and trying to kill their superior without repercussions is insulting to me when in lore a scout taking a shot without permission from a superior was literally lobotomised to be a servitor for that. It was marketed towards the call of duty/normie crowd especially with the campaign. Marines don't even move properly, they move too slowly like they're regular men in armour and I'm not even going to bother talking about the primaris thing, regular marines had far more character and primaris exists just for army rebuys. The Tyranids wouldn't just die after the hive tyrant gets killed, they would just revert to an animalistic state after that psychic link is broken, they would still be dangerous, and the Thousand Sons wouldn't villainously monologue like a moustache twirling supervillain, they're known for making complicated plots, coming in, getting what they want and fucking off. 99% of the player base won't stay for this game past a few months, this game feels 40k in visuals and the tone of the campaign, but the writing is dog shit call of duty campaign. Wasn't worth the purchase tbh, and this game was delayed to release from a year ago, i shudder to imagine what the state of this game was a year ago and where the attention was going for development.

[@bearjew212]

Tanner you saved myself and several friends $70 a piece. I was iffy from the get go and what gameplay I did see wasn't that complex or compelling. Have a friend who purchased it and said "Meh my kid likes it, but Darktide has better gameplay."

[@Nekros-t9e]

"he’s adamant that he doesn’t want to sell Space Marine 2 for $70, but is worried that audiences will see a cheaper price tag as emblematic of poor quality." -IGN interview with Saber CEO I like how they sold it for AAA price anyway despite that Freudian slip. Therefore entailing the high expectations and entitlement for a game that's so shallow after the campaign in its core mechanics. Him not wanting to sell it for that much is an admission that the game isn't worth the money or of that quality but the cynicism has made it $70 on console stores. Luckily PC players with Steam seem to be resisting and stay at $60 for most "high end" releases.