space marine 2 everything you could ever want to know about the tactical from a meta perspective

[@laurynas8569]

We get a SM2 class overview before ogryn. It’s over DT fans 😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@Merth667]

It never began

[@ByztinBadger]

The Ogryn brain is too small to comprehend the level of detail Tanner will go into.

[@Alex-qc8du]

Heavy atak

[@OrAngelicBlitz8633]

Guide for ogryns: use light stubber with fire point blank barrage.

[@dbank6107]

This game won't have the legs of Darktide...Will fade away

[@stephangg000]

and here we have the subreddit glazing gun striking saying people just need to get good at gunstrike w/o realizing it's never been about how to avoid damage on gunstrike, it's just that the reward for doing so is so shit AND you're taking a risk. So dumb. I hope saber re-analyzes it's position on gun strikes.

[@Kaspii13]

In the latest FAQ devs said: "Gun-strikes are a risk/reward action, and it is very easy to spam. We specifically did not put an i-frame on it for balancing reasons, and we are not looking to change this intention." So yeah it seems like gunstrikes are gonna be forever bad, I'm wondering if this so called reward is in the room with us right now. At least let us bind it to another key so we don't have to bother with accidental gunstrikes anymore.

[@Cxdfc]

Love the level of detail, math, examples and use-case analysis.

[@clevergoblin1714]

You can tell he's actually experienced with the classes and weapons

[@setiboi]

SpongeBob giving us professional space marine advice.❤

[@Blkstang82]

You pretty much nailed it. The devs hit it out of the park on creating the atmospheric, visual, and cinematic experience of 40k......but GD did they do a terrible job of balancing the actual gameplay and perks/traits. 95% of the weapons/traits are straight up trash....but the 5% that aren't trash borderline break the game. Melee is fucking terrible compared to ranged. Why would I put myself at extreme risk in melee when I can 1 click kill a swarm of enemies from range? Rule of cool is the only reason to use melee in this game. I think that's really what it boils down to. So much time was spent creating the "rule of cool" universe for this game(and they did do an absolutely stunning job of it) that they forgot to actually make the foundational aspects of the game in a comprehsive and meaningful manner. Also, no s on gun strike....da fuq?!?! Who's idea was that??

[@darthode]

You gotta do Assault next 😂😂😂 you’ll try but end up just shyting on it even harder

[@clevergoblin1714]

Assault is just gonna be a melee rant and how the jump pack fucking sucks. I can't wait

[@ungobungo7986]

And these regarded devs who definetly dont test their game on ruthless still dont want to give i frames to gunstrike. 🥴

[@mitchelltaylor9958]

I think the biggest takeaway is there should be a bigger reward for gunstrikes, would help out melee classes. there are ways to make gunstrikes safer but the risk-reward is just not worth just bursting down an enemy with ranged weapons.

[@sturmmagnunstein1008]

I wonder about that - its super easy to get back to back gun strikes with certain weapons, like the knive. Considering how far you can initiate gunstrike, wont this effectively make you invulnerable?

[@TannerLindberg]

At the cost of contributing to any kind of dmg output yeah but so does chaining executions ​@@sturmmagnunstein1008

[@Marzellus1991]

Furthermore having invalid skill perks that become dead and un-useable. I hate useless perks in skill trees of games. Might as well remove it 😅😅😅

[@nosurvivors100]

the disparity between the click bait " ultimate tactical" "crazy tactical" youtuber builds vs tanners is staggering

[@J.B.1982]

I don't even bother with most of those videos. They'll tell you everything is great, game is number 1.

[@prich0382]

Tanner, you have infinite ammo with the Plasma Gun with that 3rd collum 3rd tier perk, you will get all you ammo back on a Elite or higher finisher, because it has only 1 "magazine" the only catch is you have to swap to your pistol just before you do the finisher as for some reason it doesn't work whilst the Plasma Gun is equipped.

[@ryank6826]

Tactical is all I play, and I have my perks like this. It just makes sense. Awesome video

[@robinpettersen8054]

I vote Assault next.

[@Deathstroke-bs8gx]

I love bulwark, simply because of the black Templar and power sword, plus as a kid I would always look at poster art of my brother’s code. And I love melee after Arkham knight and similar, super satisfying until I get stun locked by 4 elites and I precede to forget how to kill them

[@Deathstroke-bs8gx]

I am going to grind heavy or assault, I love bolters and I know a stalker and grenade is a really good strat, but a multi melta is tempting indeed

[@jj124344]

There’s actually a combo you can do with gun striking and the melta to make gun striking safe. You just parry or dodge to get the gun strike opportunity, ads and instantly shoot a melta to stagger and dmg enemies and then un ads and insta gunstrike. One more melta shot after and they’re executable on ruthless. It’s really fast , safe and saves melta ammo. Even tho melta basically has unlimited ammo lol

[@curie1420]

as a sniper main, gotta love a good tact on the team

[@RPNeo]

I remember the first operation I did after I max'd out my tac, we almost one turned the heldrake with just me and a plasma pistol bulwark, cuz the third guy was clearing ads really makes you think about auspex scan

[@curie1420]

tact + snip + heavy, we did this and just instantly deleted the drake

[@Rakurs69]

The parry into scan perk can be very good because you can parry bosses and get free scans. Not very useful if you're not playing with pugs, (or idiots) since you'll be oneshotting them anyway, but getting a free scan can be quite a boost if people can't coordinate and instakill the boss. Also, you get so many ammo crates in this game, that the ammo perk becomes borderline useless if you're not standing and shooting at the hordes infinitely instead moving to the objective, which turns reloading finishers in a pretty interesting option.

[@Mmackenzie308]

The gameplay loops in this game are very fun for me. It's just a shame the developers are showing a lack of know-how when it comes to class balancing. Tactical receives insane powerspikes on the auspex boosting/grey health level abilities while vanguard/heavy gets shit like 15% less dmg from ranged after hook and 10% ability recharge on jetpack kills in the same slots. I feel like this game will likely not get the balancing attention it needs in a timely fashion.

[@dbank6107]

Gameplay loop? You mean loading screens and the same thing over and over.

[@mitchellongstad3045]

vanguard gets 15% MORE dmg from ranged after hook...not less...?

[@Mmackenzie308]

@@mitchellongstad3045 one of the perks is that you take 15% reduced ranged dmg after hook?

[@Mmackenzie308]

@@dbank6107 i mean you just wouldnt be here consuming sm2 content if you are trying to tell me that it doesn't feel fun getting into the flow of executes, perfect parry/dodges, and the gunplay, but I do agree that the amount of time between missions in online mode needs to be cut by a lot

[@YTpajamas]

I agree it's infuriatingly stupid design to not give iFrames on gun strike

[@grimreaper5004]

The devs actually need to use your channel to fix the balancing of this game

[@twizted6967]

love these kinds of vids and i think it would be cool to see your take on the best builds for the other classes. keep it up

[@beeess9818]

Could u show the perks for the secondary and melee too :D

[@fakenickib6245]

“Talk in an autistic amount of detail” Love it

[@LukeFarrell2012]

Could you do a video like this for each class? Even the ones that are shit 😂

[@GodlessDrunkenWreck]

Did you read the dev Q & A Tanner? And if you did, what do you think about what the devs said they will and won't implement?

[@hipnoe6279]

It’s crazy how simple this game is. I literally independently came to the EXACT same conclusion on literally everything you said after like 30 hours. The skill trees are so white and black. Theres only one way to build pretty much every character and 80% of the perks do nothing. Its kindve insane how much praise the game is getting for being this mediocre

[@BenKLode]

The unfortunate reality of illusion of choice in this game is really sad. It's not like the game strikes you out of the gate with all the negatives either - it gets exponentially so much worse with playtime. Real shame. Doubt we'll get any sort of serious balance patch to make customisation/build making meaningful, let alone address most of the bad mechanics the game has, with how many people glaze the devs on a daily about how good the game is.

[@SneedRemembrancer]

This bulwark is either just abuse the shock fields with perfect parry and armour break Or you’re playing class wrong

[@hipnoe6279]

@@BenKLode it’s frustrating how many people are on the hype train and can’t see the games flaws. I’m assuming it’ll be a few more weeks when the trend chasing KZbinrs leave and people will realize the state the game is actually in

[@DemonForge]

Here's a challange idea. Auto bolt rifle solo rentless run.

[@clevergoblin1714]

The secondary and primary mastery perk points are character buffs that'll affect both guns, so Bolt Pistol damage and headshot bonus will carry over onto your primary to provide better headshot damage etc. So even if the Bolt Pistol fuckin sucks, upgrading it isnt such a bad idea since every class has it. This is... So far as i know.. Unconfirmed. Because we dont have the proper ways to test this. And nothing else seems to verify. Theres a lot of inconsistency for shooting headshots and trying to see if you're actually doing more damage or not unless you're fighting a boss with a healthbar, shooting the Gaunts with a Bolt pistol seems to take same amount of time anyways no matter the upgrade, so you only notice damage buffs vs Majoris or Extremis. Which makes testing hard.. BUT i swear to god a damage 3 Bolt Rifle was able to shred Majoris enemies because i gave my bolt pistol good headshot damage. If this is a thing it needs to be mentioned and awareness brought to it. But Glazer youtubers wont because its not as flashy as 200% damage for tactical

[@jj124344]

It might be intended because the plasma pistol has an upgrade labeled “plasma weapons reserves” which leads me to believe it was meant to affect both (on heavy)

[@loosed267]

More great content, thx tanner

[@myonlyfriendtheend4958]

So assault was the first class i maxed and mained assault in sm1 Jesus christ melee needs like a 4x to 5x dmg increase legit people are saying oh use the gun strike with your added dodge and I'm just screaming Boi i love dodging the chaos range guys shots and not getting the gun strike and getting swarmed by trash mobs and getting hit by tons of range spam totally worth using over a melta or nade launcher

[@XeryxY]

Hey tanner, not sure if this is a thing you’d really consider, though just throwing an idea out there for a potential video; a “runner up” build for all the classes (if they have one that is at least viable). Yknow something like “this isn’t the best but it’s useable”. I love my heavy melta heavy but after 100+ missions running it I’m finding that specific load out stale, and have absolutely NO idea what else is viable XD Love the videos as always man, always a pleasure to watch you break everything down and explain it all :).

[@n1ght7ngale]

i mean he brings up the grenade launcher boltgun so maybe that? it's just sorta hard because any runner up to a melta gun build is just so much worse that there's really no reason to talk about it. Even if you were using a different gun this build works as well, just works the best with the melta.

[@XeryxY]

@@n1ght7ngale Ahh might be a lack of proper communication on my behalf 😭 I mean like a runner up for each of the classes, sorry if my OP was hard to read I suck at articulating thoughts to words lmao But yeh I’m gonna give the grenbolt a go when I get around to playing Tac for sure!

[@n1ght7ngale]

@@XeryxY honestly the only three perks that matter are the last three scan ones he talks about and that's on every build no matter what

[@Casualgaming763]

You're right I don't have buddies to play with and it doesn't feel fun at all. I need friends to play.

[@dbank6107]

I feel ya buddy. Pubs is a zzz fest

[@no-sleep]

autistic rambling breakdowns is why I subscribed in the first place

[@Zod_666]

Great vid explaining the meta, apparently "Target lock perk" works for the grenades from the grenade launcher. Probably still nowhere near as good as "priority targeting" for a well coordinated team play scenario. Anyway i've been told that one clip of grenades with this perk can either kill or almost kill a carnifax. Just what i heard anyway - dont know if its true.

[@TannerLindberg]

if it didnt need a mark it would be an alright interaction.

[@J.B.1982]

From what I gather, this game will never have the hoard level gameplay that Darktide has. The CEO even said he wanted to get away from overly complicated gameplay. They said something about possibly adding more enemies when they reduce other enemies hit points. I don't see the perks and weapons really getting all that much attention. Maybe after a year?? Maybe. They will be balancing guns but we'll see what that looks like. I have this weird feeling they made the game feel this way for release so people play longer. Padding game time. The leveling in this game feels like a slog.

[@tantricoath]

For me I only play Tactical now, its by far the best class and if a squad doesn't have one its a million times more tedious to complete max level missions. It has the best Ability, the second best gun (I still think Multi-Melta is better due to heavy dedicated perk) and it has the best Drip. I also find I just have to leave lobbies that don't have either a Sniper or a Heavy as they are just so much better than ASSault, Vanguard and Bulwark and make missions go so much faster so not to waste time. Love the vid.

[@Porkwhitemeat]

I dunno. I can solo it with vanguard. Maybe vanguard fits me better but I think it's the best class by far.

[@TannerLindberg]

" Sorry to tell you but if your playing a video game your already wasting time, so your preferences on group composition are irrelevant. " you will never be rich no matter how hard you #hustle. all of the work you have done is total waste of time

[@sturmmagnunstein1008]

​@@JD-fd6gtah yes, im sure you are totally not wasting your own time on a GAMING channel, telling people theyre wasting their time watching or doing something they enjoy?

[@vezrien]

@@TannerLindberg This logic here seems to imply since "gaming" is itself a waste of time, it's not possible to have efficient team comps. Interesting, lol.

[@lv1543]

tanner have you completed the worlds first space marine 2 boykisser challenge?

[@BrentCox2B]

When the Melta inevitably gets nerfed, whats the next best Tactical Weapon?

[@Wwillswords]

Probably either the plasma or the bolter with an underslung grenade launcher

[@asgorne]

Question. Realistically would a heavy, vanguard and tac squad be on par with a tac and sniper. Vanguard has a cooldown reduction every finisher, heavy... well its the consistent support character aswell as cooldown reduction. Then tactical. 3 meltas and the most violent cooldown rediction perks. Also vanguards final perk is bugged either in a literate manner or game mechanic matter as it heals 1/8 of your health

[@TannerLindberg]

yeah itd probably be on par

[@KanaKaname]

Any opinion on Heavy's weapon choice vs chaos? My understanding is that multi-melta is still the best thing to keep tzaangors at bay, but regular heretics become a headache without heavy bolter, and it regen health just as fast that you can trade hits with Rubrics. I would much prefer to have other classes running the light melta while Heavy can run probably one of the only salvageable bolter weapons in the entire game. Battle Focus is viable if you farm the hive tyrant mission with buddies. You should still have enough damage bonus to cheese phase 2 on hive tyrant, plus the parry marking makes phase 1 and everything before the boss fight a little bit quicker. But again, tactical is just broken enough that there's really not much difference in terms of end result. Also recent Q&A confirms that overheal past contested health is not intended, so I guess Bulwark standard will be the only viable way to regain health without stim in the future.

[@n1ght7ngale]

I mean elites are the most dangerous enemies in the game, any gun can deal with shitty trash mobs like cultists so what do you mean they become a headache? With the multi melta perk you just look in the general direction of a group of trash mobs and they are gone at no ammo cost. An uncharged plasma pistol shot at max level also one shots any snipers, etc that are out of range of the melta.

[@Darkhexagon]

Muted?

[@NeoReziel]

So... are you suggesting they should make you invincible while doing a gun strike ?

[@TannerLindberg]

that would be one way to fix it yeah. really anything to help it out. i think the best way to fix them is have them give armor back always even if it doesnt kill. then buff the perk to make it invincible for the melee classes

[@sarahcaito6937]

Would you do videos on darktide map knowledge?

[@TannerLindberg]

I did a few and liked them but I doubt I'll male darktide videos any.ore

[@sarahcaito6937]

@@TannerLindberg I’ve watched all your darktide videos and shared them to others to help teach them. You’re the best source of info I’ve found on the game and I appreciate your work, thank you.

[@jrago73]

Now I'm curious how you play a bulwark since you don't want to melee.

[@TannerLindberg]

You don't it's a bad class

[@jrago73]

@TannerLindberg had a feeling that was the answer, but I wanted to check if you had some kind of secret technique.

[@tkrisee]

@@jrago73 If you really want to play bulwark, or just leveling up, go for shield bash, plasma pistol and shock flag, and pray that your mates brought meltas

[@joanromba6972]

Great. Now everyone is picking tactical and I have to pick assault with the thunder hammer. I can't pick tactical as well, because of the 1 class per mission limit.

[@thepenguin33]

What makes the first bolt rifle better than the heavy bolt rifle for pvp because I think nearly all the stats are better for the heavy?

[@SOLOcan]

Why do you play this game?

[@DevlVergil]

They really need to rework the perk system. The balancing is so off and it's extremely obvious just reading through the perks without even having to play the game. Who tf cares about 10% Recoil reduction, and why do so many classes and weapons have these type of perks, they're just boring and useless.

[@Marzellus1991]

Gun strikes are so bad 😅😅😅

[@Artoik-dk4vv]

...and another one

[@keegandoa]

whats the grenade launcher bug?

[@OniGanon]

I assume he means that Tactical 'regain a magazine worth of ammo on Majoris kill' perk also refilling all grenades on the Bolt Rifle GL. Not sure if that's a bug.

[@gettinghelpsoon]

Watch, now you're gonna be known as the "toxic space marine 2 youtuber" by offended nerds

[@Faminetheblack]

Do you think the game is worth it?

[@Jack-d7i]

No wait until a sale

[@AverageSkyrimEnjoyer]

It all depends on how interested you are, top 15-20 most fun games(for me)

[@sturmmagnunstein1008]

Honestly, its kind of early too say still. I see many of its flaws right now but nothing is too offensice to me yet. I put like 40+ hour since release and the gameplay loop just speaks to me. It also helps that the 40k universe is my cup of tea. I have very little desire to play the pvp, so i have no clue how that is. The PVE is very fun, and i dont really mind grinding. There are some balance issues, whether itd be player side or faction side, which i hope get ironed out soon. Campaign is very cool with many cool scenarios. Runs well on day 1 (though my cpu is showing its age for sure), but the servers are kind of ass at times. Overall im not as critical of the game as many seem to be here, and for me i dont see myself dropping this soon.

[@OniGanon]

Depends on if you're a 40k fan, what your tolerance is for difficult games, whether you're interested in the multiplayer, whether you have friends to play the game with, how much content you expect out of a game... If you're purely in it for the single player and aren't a 40k fan, I would give it a pass or wait for a good sale, because it's a maybe 10 hour campaign, and I personally found the higher difficulties more annoying than fun as single player doesn't have the class and weapon progression system that multiplayer has to balance the difficulty. If you are a 40k fan, enjoy difficult games and have people to play co-op with, then there's a good chance you'll have enough fun and get enough out of the game to justify the price.

[@J.B.1982]

Absolutely not. At least wait until the first patch at the end of the month but really, the second patch will probably be much better. I bought this game for reasons that superseded my principle on never buying a game at release and expecting all of this BS.

[@HamTheWhale]

Parry Scan is the best perk in the whole tree, against tyranids at least. The uptime is unbeatable for anything other than boss fights, and is even a huge boost there too if you can keep agro.

[@Snafuchicken]

Holy. This guy has the most grating voice.

[@rymd1875]

Not even close, there are worse sounding people out there.

[@sturmmagnunstein1008]

Thats not very nice is it.

[@alexreys7985]

On one hand tanner has useful information with no bs buzzword time wasting. Unfortunately he chooses to use the time he saves to stroke himself to completion.

[@TannerLindberg]

is it really stroking my self? for a video like this its kind of a who is this guy and why should i listen to him? you wouldnt want information from a guy who struggles with tier 2 lol

[@alexreys7985]

@@TannerLindberg if your truly the hey zues you say you are then you don’t need to tell people how good you are. It’s a tell vs show kind of thing.

[@TannerLindberg]

but you cant show in a video thats all theory and perk rating

[@TannerLindberg]

do you think kobe bryant NEVER said how good he was to quickly get the point across?

[@n1ght7ngale]

​@@alexreys7985Well it's more of a showing his credentials to people who may not know. It's to show that he knows what he's talking about on the subject and why you should listen to him.