Battlestar Galactica: Orion Class Stealth Battlestar | Ship Breakdown

[@Spacedock]

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[@ericmadsen7470]

Could you do a break down on the Ghostbusters vehicle and equipment?

[@wolfpreist]

Answer me this, why do sci fi writers care about VLS? Like, in space combat what even is Vertical? Star Gate SG1 and Atlantis, which I love, made a big deal about the Daedalus class being armed with VLS, and I remember thinking a mix of "who cares and oppsie if they attack you from the ventral aspect"

[@deltaclark3863]

I remember hearing by someone; I can't remember. who, something about a "What if Pegasus had survived the battle of New Caprica", is that something you would or are considering?

[@bbaker4117]

Spacedock exclusively has the inside track with the production team on The Expanse- so much so that the Fandom pages for the ships featured on the show are basically just transcribed from their respective Spacedock episodes. We really need ones for the Pella and the MCRN heavy frigate from Season 5, and hopefully any new ships we'll see in the (hopefully not) final season next month.

[@Logical_Gaming]

The agreement to produce that content was terminated when Amazon purchased the property and restarted production of the show. It is unlikely that kind of inside access/content creation capability (They literally wrote some of the lore in those videos) will return.

[@logion567]

@@Logical_Gaming hell, they changed both a name of a ship class in season 5 *and* made the Barkeith not a donnager

[@Autofleet4429]

@@logion567 truman-class being referred to as Nathan hale-class it's now generally accepted that it was a production mistake, and as for the Barkeith yeah they did recon it but that's nothing new for sci-fi and plus there is a number of plausible reasons, the battleship was destroyed, damaged beyond repair, decommissioned in post war demilitarization etc.

[@AnthonyJ504]

I still don't understand how they plan on wrapping up the story in 1 season. I hope we're not in for another GoT type final season.

[@Logical_Gaming]

@@AnthonyJ504 they will be wrapping up the story that concludes in book 6, Babylon's ashes. Based on what has come out so far, it will fit nicely. The remaining three novels will not be part of the Amazon series

[@robaitken4592]

I love the inclusion of naval terminology like "Pocket Battlestar" a great call back to the German Deutschland-class of Pocket Battleships

[@thatsnomoon4221]

"Pocket Battleship" isn't naval terminology, it's a post war nickname for them, their original description was "Panzerschiff" or simply armored ship, until being reclassified as Heavy Cruiser. The british and americans classified them as Battlecruiser. Sorry to be the smartass here

[@KenS1267]

@@thatsnomoon4221 The Orion class certainly bears no resemblance to the Deutschland cruisers. The Orion's are specialty ships that in a modern navy would be called stealth destroyers not heavy cruisers.

[@thatsnomoon4221]

@@KenS1267 uhh yeah I am aware of that. But the OP referred to them as a callback to the Deutschland class

[@briankriens5645]

Get the Graf Spee.

[@robaitken4592]

@@thatsnomoon4221 It's all good, I should have been more precise with this community :) SciFi seems to play fast and loose with ship classifications, I remember watching B5 and wondering why "Destroyers" were larger and heavier fleet units than a "Heavy Cruiser" The ability to launch strike craft sure does make the Orian hard to classify.

[@Husker5454]

One of the most unique and specialized ships in the BSG universe . Always a big fan of this ship and the soundtrack " Last battle of the osiris " is an absolute banger !

[@darkleome5409]

Can you build the Osiris in SE?

[@Husker5454]

@@darkleome5409 check my profile recent SE screenshots bud ;)

[@ericdunne4578]

What a shocker saw this vid and went bet huskers gonna watch this🤣

[@Husker5454]

@@ericdunne4578 its very strange timing considering i started 3days ago building this exsact ship

[@jamieolberding7731]

@@darkleome5409 I do one day eventually plan on building this ship out of LEGO's someday eventually.....

[@IIIJG52]

I love the Deadlock footage. Lovely beautiful game.

[@RogueBipolarDemon]

I missed Dan's voice on Spacedock videos. It's probably just because it's a BSG entry similar to the ones made for Deadlock but it was extremely refreshing hearing Dan's voice.

[@sawyerawr5783]

Always liked this design. Very submarine-like in its hull shape, which fits with this stealth/recon/support role.

[@XavXavBoi]

I absolutely love this ship

[@VigilanteAgumon]

I never liked the fact that it only had one landing/launch bay door. One bolter and you'll slam into the back wall.

[@henrycooper3431]

Well it does have Vipers launch tubes for Vipers (but real pity for the Raptors) Do note that the Valkyrie is about 700m-ish (aka half Galactica size) with her flight pods around 300-400m-ish and the Osiris is about 300m-ish meaning that the ship itself is a flying Valkyrie flight pod with a head and guns bolted on

[@sparrowlt]

The only odd thing about this is why its designated as a Battlestar.. the Colonial fleet has other ship designations like cruisers, destroyers, escorts.. This is clearly a frigate or a light cruiser/destroyer.. its like if in WW2 i do a small lighty armoured warship wich favours stealth and speed over firepower or armor and call it a pocket battleship

[@HairyTrigger]

In WW2 the M26 Pershing was designated as a Heavy Tank despite actually being a Medium Tank. Militaries gonna military.

[@partyrocket859]

Could be to throw off cylon intelligence. Make them think that there's a new Battlestar class to cover up construction of a stealth ship.

[@henrycooper3431]

Probably because it fufill the role that of a Battlestar even tho it dont look or work like a Battlestar Battlestar are like battle carrier, come in and drop a frak load of jets then shoot which is what the Osiris do but with another style of war Do note i also dont like the Osiris designation

[@Cailus3542]

In real life, military classifications are arbitrary. The Dunkerque class and Kongo class battleships were really battlecruisers, the battlecruiser HMS Hood was really a fast battleship, the Alaska class heavy cruisers were really battlecruisers, the modern US LHDs are really light carriers, modern British and American destroyers are basically cruisers, and so on.

[@sparrowlt]

@@Cailus3542 I wouldnt call a LHD a light carrier when it only can carry STOVL aircraft like the Harrier or F35.. when the old light carriers could carry the same type of aircraft as the fleet carriers..only less.. a LHD is after all a helicopter carrier with a landing dock for amphibious assaults..not just a smaller carrier

[@TheArklyte]

Ah yes, probably the only "submarine in space" one can easily find in fiction. Carriers? Millions of them. Battleships? Billions. Submarine? This girl alone;)

[@kingdomofvinland8827]

The intirior definitely gives a “U-Boat” vibe.

[@stormcrow28]

The Amun Ra stealth ships, Klingon birds of prey, the UX-01 stealth submarine from Space Battleship Yamato, Romulan bird of prey from TOS and future series, and more come to mind

[@BlackPrinny]

SR 1 Normandy?

[@sparrowlt]

Space Battleship Yamato has the UX Class in the Garmillas Imperial Astro Fleets..wich is utterly literally a submarine....in space. In Babylon 5 the Hyperion class cruiser was also inspired on submarines and naval designs (Ironically her creators said that Space Battleship Yamato/Star Blazers was an inspiration when designing the Hyperion)

[@darkleome5409]

IMHO, in The Expanse every ship is closer to a submarine than an actual maritime vessel

[@lachlanthomaslangmead1651]

Could imagine these could be devastating if they were to employ wolfpack tactics

[@Mobius_118]

You could probably combine these with the Manticore Corvettes and have a pretty devastating Hit-and-Run type fleet.

[@imperiousrex128]

@@Mobius_118 Not very good for the campaign, but the idea is really good for skirmish mode. Use the Orions with torps to get close, basically joust and pass in between the enemy formation, then use your Manticores armed with nukes to hit and kill weakened enemy ships.

[@megan00b8]

I have had them used like that against me, and it was pretty effective, while I focused on the main battlestar group I got outflanked by four of these little thingies and their ruthless torpedo salvos were enough to blow a game deciding hole in my formation. It came down to the wire, and if I had an extra Jupiter it would've been my win, but I've messed up and paid for it

[@goyoma9943]

Oh man... i absolutely love the Orion class! Thanks for the video!

[@FanRailer]

That basestar that the Osiris goes up against is pretty cool. It’s a shame that we know nothing about it.

[@Mobius_118]

It looked like a new take on the Guardian Basestar we see in Razor (which would make sense since that Basestar is also from the First Cylon War).

[@chrischan8282]

In deadlock, these ships are a ton of fun to work with. They're great for sneaking behind a fleet and finding a priority target (e.g. base star), then promptly destroying or crippling it with a nuke before rejoining the rest of the main fleet.

[@shepherdlavellen3301]

Wouldn't it be better to stick around and finish it off? The cannons are small but they pack a punch

[@Brett-uq4tz]

They would also be very useful for wolfpack tactics against cylon ressurection ships and cylon resupply ships.

[@GeorgeBPryor]

Its side profile looks almost exactly like the CIS Malevolence from the Clone Wars series, if you flipped the rear bridge tower on that ship upside down.

[@Howyaduing]

It’s actually based on the original concept art of the First Battlestar Galactica way back in the 70’s but it was passed over. I always thought it would’ve been cool back in the 70s that Galactica would discover a derelict fleet of these types of Ships later to be used as A support fleet for the Battlestar

[@roryedward2631]

You forgot to mention that part of it's stealth design is the ships heatsink feature, that renders the ship invisible from a thermal perspective too.

[@cillcamst2]

The music choice is perfect.

[@shanenolan8252]

Sweet i was rewatching the valkyrie and mercury videos last night

[@timhare9867]

Good video - Having just watched the recent Dune film, it would be really interesting to see your take on the ships, tactics and analysis over the overall battle in the film.

[@Jollanza]

This is the most badass ship ever made. It's like "we know we couldn't win but we try anyway". It's easy for a proper battlestar to say "we are the winners', because that type of ship could do anything. But the Orion... Just Badass.

[@Arashmickey]

Love the attention to detail throughout the new BSG stuff.

[@leodouskyron5671]

I always saw this ship as a BSG mix of a Nuclear Submarine and an Aegis Cruiser so it is not for asymmetric warfare more as a electronic scouting and infiltration platform. Love the video though.

[@BrSgtJordan]

I think the Orion-class is my favourite BSG ship. they're so unique

[@piotrmiler234]

More Bsg , more happines come to my heart .

[@xXxcastenada]

1:57 how to stealth spaceships for dummies: chrome plating!

[@henrycooper3431]

And to add to that point It ribbing structure and round shape worsen the effects as radar pulse can reflect off the structure and fly back to Cylon radar

[@spartantraveler7251]

Works only in GTA 5 though

[@Sephiroth144]

Man, Deadlock needs to let out a micropatch that makes the Orion hulls shine/shimmer... (Also allowing personal naming of off-line warships.)

[@Mobius_118]

The strangest thing about the Orion in Deadlock is that they also stripped off a majority of its armor, making it resemble the Post-War Galactica more than its B&C appearance.

[@Sephiroth144]

@@Mobius_118 Could it be stripped off- or never installed...? (Like, you make a small ship, why bother with the armor when maneuverability and stealth are its main defensive options. Leave that armor for the big boys who are supposed to be taking punches instead of the little guys who couldn't take a hit either way.)

[@Mobius_118]

I get the impression that the Orion was a hasty refit of a civilian ship since most of the resources for Colonial Fleet would've been going towards refitting the surviving Jupiter IIs, hence the protruding bridge, extremely small size, and lack of flight pods.

[@bigsarge2085]

Amazingly done!

[@ajzebadua]

I miss the common upload of these ship breakdown videos from when the channel was just starting, I love these frakking videos.

[@jasonsteigerwald3444]

homeboy hit us with that battlezone 2 menu music

[@chief117s15]

Finally! More Battlestar Galactica content!

[@BannenAngelos]

Hey Spacedock, I have an incredibly important question here. There is a webnovel I have read a fair portion of named "The Legendary Mechanic". In said novel starting at chapter 536 and ending at chapter 543, there is a combination of atmospheric and non-atmospheric combat sequences between several frigate class ships and a personal stealth ship siding with the MC and 11 enemy ships of assault class followed by a number of other ships. The MC is a mechanical specialist and ends the combat sequences by invading the enemy databases using his 'hacking' skills and shuts down all systems on the enemy ships. My question is, what are your thoughts on the usage of virtual intrusion in space combat?

[@devinkomerous1886]

Nice obscure pick to make a video I would like to request some more versus videos like an intrepid class vs a vorcha class

[@GamePlayer553]

Man, I forget sometime just how amazing Deadlock looks. . .glad we have such a great game to not only play but to just watch

[@briankriens5645]

I keep hoping for more, but the makers of Deadlock refuse. Hopefully they are applying their great space combat system to something like Bablyon 5, or The Expanse. We'll see.

[@arkangelnls]

That battlezone 2 music is so dope

[@imperiousrex128]

Requesting Adamant-class Frigate. Best early-game Deadlock ship.

[@KMCA779]

Nasty little ship to run in wolf packs and they're cheap enough that you don't need to worry too much about losing them.

[@ycplum7062]

A flotilla of three would be idea for deep penetration strikes against Cyon infrastructures and logistic chains. About the only issue is having the supplies available. That may be remedies by prepositioned caches.

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you

[@56815]

You could do vids of the basic ship mechanics and rules of the different ships in different universes, as in not individual classes but more like how does Star trek ships work? What are the technologies. Why do the ships have reoccurring design features?

[@rossburnett9546]

My favourite class of battle star

[@jakethomson531]

Hi spacedock can you please do a fleet breakdown for the old republic navy during the great galactic war and galactic war

[@EGray1401]

Could you revisit the Z 95 but focus on the clone variant like you did the Y wing?

[@Kaiju-Driver]

I love content like this I always learn something new

[@chrisdufresne9359]

I'm wondering if the reason it's labeled a Pocket Battlestar is more for morale than anything else. You can make your fleet seem stronger without spending as much as you would on a traditional Battlestar.

[@Cailus3542]

Politics. It's always a factor.

[@noirangel6416]

Pretty please do the ships from Dune (2021).

[@CMDR_Saber84]

there was a Battlestar MMO way waaaay back, don't know if its still up or long gone

[@Parabueto]

Man I should really play more of Deadlock. It's a fun game.

[@shanenolan8252]

I suspect the missile interceptor pids were part of the ground base defense grid to defend the colonies from cylons air raids and then installed in the vessels late in the war . ( seems logical).

[@50043211]

" ... and a vital tool ensuring the survival of the 12 colonies!" I guess someone has to tell him the truth at one point. :(

[@mawasorangutan]

Osiris last battle OST is one of the tense one ❤

[@Ajax1063]

@Spacedock will you ever cover the Colonial Stealth Star that premiered in a single episode featuring the character Bulldog. That ship had a beautiful design!

[@jebnordost7487]

This is truly the ultimate space sub marine

[@longtimber]

That's hilarious. Let's make the "stealth battlestar" MORE reflective. 😂

[@maxedout1046]

LETSS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! BSG PLAYLIST 100% SPEEDRUN!!!

[@BGMilenium]

@Spacedock, where are does movie shots taken from? I haven't seen them in the BSG series.

[@viktoriaalden3452]

Is it ever confirmed that the Orion class has a battlestar designation? In deadlock it's classed as a stealth frigate, which is way more appropriate for its role. The descriptor "pocket battlestar" could just be because it has the capability of launching vipers and covering them with flak fire. But these might serve as a complement for its tasks of subterfuge and surveillance, much akin to modern day submarines

[@CG2214]

where's the first space battle footage from ? thank you and a happy new year

[@davidcolby167]

Fun fact: in BSG: Deadlock, this ship has a PUNCH? Like, those light guns hit harder than you think and they're SO FUCKING ACCURATE? They just...sweep the skies clean of enemy fighters, then rip ships to shreds.

[@burningchrome70]

Those Orion class Viper units must have been filled with all of Starbucks brothers and sisters.

[@fieldmarshalgaig4856]

Can someone explain how to use this in bsg deadlock?

[@airplanemaster1]

I'd say use it in a similar way to a Manticore Corvette with expanded abilities. It's stealth ability is not perfect and if in Dradis range will be detected by enemy ships, but they'll get a serious debuff to accuracy when targeting it in stealth mode. but the Orion can't fire weapons or launch squadrons in stealth either, but in can stay in stealth longer while in a defensive posture. So, use it as a forward DRADIS picket to identify the enemy, and then either circle around while in stealth and de-cloak to pincer and harass the enemy, or pull it behind your primary battle line and let it pitch in wherever needed. And if it's getting too much fire, set it to stealth mode and flee

[@fieldmarshalgaig4856]

@@airplanemaster1 thanks bro

[@tuxedotservo]

Haven't played Deadlock in a while... did they patch the game and re-classify the Orion class as a battlestar? When the DLC with this ship first came out, it was classified as a light frigate; no flak or ordinance interceptor missiles; light gun batteries.. IIRC, they even went out of their way in the description to note that "pocket battlestar" was a derogatory term for the class, based on it being used in ways outside its designed purposes. In short, they nerfed it. It creates a weird problem, because Deadlock is supposedly canon but... so is Blood & Chrome? I'd lean the former, as I think B&C just put too much 'stuff' onto one ship.

[@darkhope97]

Talking about stealth BSG ships could you do a video on tyrol baby ship made from scrap

[@Freesorin837]

Thanks for reminding me we will never get a full season of Blood & Chrome. 😢

[@dimitriaertgeerts3441]

Cool. I just saw the movie iron sky would you do some about their ships please?

[@danieldb631]

Ah. The profile image used in the thumbnail made me think this was a ship from Star Wars. Although, it also shares a resemblance to the hover craft used in The Matrix.

[@brendabergsma7843]

A offshoot design but I think effective and I'm requesting more versus battles I love the battle with the scimitar against sovereign

[@Ser_Redshirt]

I need to get the Eaglemoss version before they're all gone.

[@stephenfarthing3819]

Hmm! Another one to recommend to J76ny !!

[@starion1121]

Could you do a video on the Gundam mobile suits? Like the RX-78 and Zaku models?

[@yuyukosaigyouji7910]

well spacedock did do the yamato so there is a chance

[@firehedgehog1446]

I know this isn't relative to the video but I'd like to see you cover Warframe's spacecraft, there's a few to choose from

[@ernest9868]

where did the footage come from?

[@Mobius_118]

BSG: Blood and Chrome and BSG: Deadlock.

[@philrm99]

Awesome

[@Voltaic_Fire]

I bought a laptop just so I could play Deadlock properly and I think it's about time I get on with that. BSG had a lot more depth than the shows give it credit for.

[@Cailus3542]

The Campaign story and voice acting is awful, but the gameplay is amazing. It's also no pushover. You'll love it.

[@Voltaic_Fire]

@@Cailus3542 The story is awful? It didn't seem that bad from what little I could play before accepting my previous setup was untenable. The story is the main reason I play any game. If I wanted great game play then I could replay Homeworld or its prequel.

[@justyourregularguy3706]

respect for the captain of osiris

[@multivex6448]

"Ensuring the survival of the 12 colonies" lol

[@mikehammer5380]

I only saw the mainline TV series, where are these other series featuring this ship and the original cylon war? I know it’s not the 1980s one…

[@IIIJG52]

Spin off sortof movies.

[@Robloxman01]

It's from Blood and Chrome, a prequel movie set in the last days of the First Cylon War.

[@-JA-]

Nice.

[@grantreichel6870]

More Deadlock ships please!

[@PresidentElon]

Please make a video of Harvester Alien Mother Ship

[@SultanOfAwesomeness]

Deadlock did this ship dirty.

[@mythyc9604]

✊🏻Remember the Osiris✊🏻

[@farscape2129]

Huh? Did I miss something during Battlestar Galactica? I don't remember this at all.

Wait... Which series is this from???

[@AlexNewman655]

Thank you! In my opinion BSG 2004 is much better than original series. Do you agree with me too?

[@heathhertter5102]

Will be ever see this in Deadlock?

[@hoojiwana]

Much of the footage in the video is from Deadlock (though it is in a DLC). - hoojiwana from Spacedock

[@Mobius_118]

I believe it was added with the Ghost Fleet Offensive DLC.

[@AnestNightroad]

Am I the only one that wants game from the expanse universe? either a mass effect or BSG Deadlock styled one?

[@ectogambit]

Cobra Mk3 next please.

[@chiragpatil4132]

which games does the footage come from???

[@Mobius_118]

BSG: Deadlock. It's on Steam if you're interested.

[@timothywarren3748]

A ship built for perfect suicide missions

[@PartizandeWojack]

BLOOD AND CHROME!!!!

[@deralbtraumritter8573]

How can the Orion Class be able to go In-Atmo with those big satellites…

[@ThePete7499]

You should look over Warhammer ships Aswell

[@awizardman]

please do the ornithopter from dune

[@taylormakaiknightburleson]

Hey what the Video Game Footage from

[@airplanemaster1]

Battlestar Galactica: Deadlock. Where you command Colonial Fleet during the First Cylon War. The Orion itself comes with the Ghost Fleet Offensive DLC.

[@taylormakaiknightburleson]

@@airplanemaster1 Thanks is it on Steam

[@AlexSDU]

@@taylormakaiknightburleson It is available in Steam. And one more thing, it's a 3D turn base strategy game. Once you finish your turn, the game will play your moves in a cinematic way. Same thing after the enemy finish it's turn. You can see the gameplays in YT to get a better understanding of the game. Personally, I love it. It's in my Wishlist, though I haven't buy it yet. Gonna wait until a big discount sale on it to come out.

[@taylormakaiknightburleson]

@@AlexSDU sounds cool will give it a look thanks

[@AlexSDU]

@@taylormakaiknightburleson No problem, mate. Glad to help.

[@nickpalmer3065]

Looks like a submarine.

[@jessehorn6180]

Kinda looks like a Star Destroyer

[@darkleome5409]

Makes me wonder if some of Orions survived the first attack of the second war and were trying to engage in guerrilla war

[@benbunch4159]

What's this from?

[@VegetaLF7]

The show Blood and Chrome and the game Deadlock, both about the first Cylon war