Spain New Tourism Law 🇪🇸 the Fall of Europe Travel 🇪🇺

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

How many of you have Europe, or Spain specifically, on your expat relocation radar? Where have you been looking at?

[@theSSHITT]

We already got a retirement visa, moved to Spain, and moved back to the U.S.A. We live part time in Spain. I am here in Madrid now as I type this. But this might be my last time here. The anti-tourism sentiment easily slides into anti-immigrant sentiment.

[@cssain-w2g]

@@theSSHITT but what has happened? I live in Madrid and I think is a very open and welcoming city, full of people from all over the world. Plus, very safe and clean.

[@AvioftheSand]

Great.... I'm going to Spain from October 20 - 30th. Great timing

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

Let us know how it is. Where are you headed? I used to live there. It's my favourite country overall, but I don't want to be in Europe. But Spain is truly amazing. This law definitely is beyond stupid, though.

[@AvioftheSand]

@@ScottAlanMillerVlog Malaga, Seville, and Madrid.

[@muradhasanjoy19]

This law raises serious privacy concerns! How can tourists feel safe knowing so much personal data is being shared?

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

exactly. it's a big deal.

[@jonascompany214]

Simple don’t spend your dollars in a place you’re not welcome.

[@darrinito]

Which is exactly what the locals want. Barcelona locals really sent the message to tourists this year: Not Welcome! The prices of everything has gone up because too many people were going there. Fewer tourists = lower demand = lower prices (theoretically, anyway). My fellow European citizens are no longer so receptive to foreign tourist, especially non-EU tourists.

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

especially post Brexit.

[@darrinito]

@@ScottAlanMillerVlog Migration and travel globally, in general, seems to be receiving a backlash. In the US it's the Latinos come up through Mexico; In Panama and Costa Rica it's the Venezuelans and the Colombians; in Bolivia it's the Argentinians and Venezuelans; in Europe it's the Africans and the Muslims; in Australasia it's the Chinese.

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

Yes, pressure from the global north on the global south is forcing world wide migration. Think of it as a backlash to colonialism. In the US, there is ongoing, strong colonial style pressure to encourage that movement. The backlash seems like a cover as teh government takes strong action to pressure those countries to have their populations move and markets to the people there to make them want to move.

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

Food. Services.

[@Thebuffshaman]

I see the issue here as the same thing has happened in Hawii, something that has been of growing concern is native Hawiians have been leaving Hawii in massive numbers and the main complaint is they have been forced out by tourists taking over and especially massive amounts of wealthy celebrities forcing out native populations.

[@1stLukecifer]

Future tourism ad for Argentina: “The New, Old World”

[@healing_with_nature1]

Eventually none of us will be "allowed" to travel anywhere.

[@happyferguson4956]

@@healing_with_nature1 speak for yourself....

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

@FishingWorldTraveler outside of the US, those are just called "cities"

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

What the heck are you talking about? It's been thousands of years and no one is stopping travel. YOu are talking as if America adopts global urban design that something unrelated is going to happen? I don't even understand these statements. I live in a 15 minute city, it's been a 15 minute city for just over 500 years. No one has stopped anyone traveling.

[@dojocho1894]

yes its actually in green agendas

[@TyroPirate]

I was first in Rome in 2017. I remember walking by the Trevi fountain, and thinking it was pretty cool. There were people, but it wasn't anything notable Now... I was there last year in November. Holy. Hell. The amount of tourists in the city in general was extreme! But the trevi fountain especially had me in disbelief. It was like sardines, the number of people packed around it.

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

Even by 2019 it was like that. I lived in Italy in 2017 and visited Rome while there and it was like you saw. The explosion was right after that.

[@mariau.koenig3643]

Could you explain if it this ia necessary for registered expats as well? I'm Swiss and I live and work in Spain. I couldn't find any info on it if I am affected as well... Thanks alot!!

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

I believe that the answer is no, but I don't have any definitive source on that. But it's very specifically a tourism requirement.

[@happyferguson4956]

With all of the pain and suffering Spain and other European countries have done ...I don't know how to feel

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

right? it feels a bit disingenuous to not want tourists now. but late for that.

[@KenSerikawa]

Barcelona had all the potential to be the best city of Europe but its politicians ruin it

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

In what way? Best in what way? Which politicians? Barcelona is complex. It's a conquered territory that went through a quasi-genocide and had their language and identity stripped away. Now it is fighting for its identity. It got turned into a tourist center because it's so well positioned and cool. But it's so overrun with tourists that even as a tourist, it's not nearly as interesting as it should be.

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

How are immigrants going to Barcelona of all places? It's the least affordable. The locals AND the tourists must have to leave first to leave space for them? Oddly, no one in Barcelona is ever complaining about them. What gives you the impression that there even are any, let alone that they are any kind of problem when Barcelona itself complains about tourists and the Spanish conquest? Seems... unlikely to be on their radar at all. www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/jun/25/tourists-go-home-refugees-welcome-why-barcelona-chose-migrants-over-visitors Sounds more like being bitter that you aren't in the welcome class there but the unwanted one. Feels sucky to be part of the "unwashed masses" as it were. But here we are, seen as the bad guys. Sometimes, you just have to admit that the people you hate are the good guys.

[@Rivet_Head242]

I visited Barcelona for 3 months last year and I was surprised by the number of tourists even during the low season. As a Nicaraguan, I didn't have to request a visa. I plan to go again but they sure are taking measures to reduce the influx of tourism. The GDPR is supposed to be a tight privacy and security EU law, so I don't see the Spaniards trying to bypass it. I'm planning to go again soon so we'll see if I run into any red tape.

[@ChrisCokeRobinson]

Surprised that you didnt need a Visa coming from Latin America

[@Rivet_Head242]

@@ChrisCokeRobinson Totally the opposite. After all, Nicaragua was a colony of Spain . I think only Bolivia, Ecuador and Cuba need a visa from Latin America to visit Spain.

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

@ChrisCokeRobinson it's generally considered very wrong for a country to require a visa when coming from one of its colonies. One of the reasons why it is so unacceptable that the US makes it so hard for legal transit or tourist to the US from Nicaragua. Nicaraguans can actually travel decently heavily world wide. Their passport isn't bad, except that the US and Canada don't let them in. Being so close, it makes it feel limited when it really isn't.

[@Teutathis]

@@Rivet_Head242 GDPR is actually incredibly toothless and easy to sidestep. Not at all surprised if you'll see some Spanish shenanigans here. They'll get fined eventually, I'm sure, but that'll be several years down the road and I'm sure they're willing to bite the bullet if it brings some peace from the crybabies in the Canaries and Catalonia.

[@el.don1975]

Europe tourism is for Europeans who can't leave or can't get to South America

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

@ScorpionSuerte um, what? lol

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

MExico isn't south America. It's North America. In your rush to be an uneducated racist you.... showed that you are an uneducated racist. Now you see why Barcelona doesn't want people like you visiting. Now we see exactly why you are so worried about refugees being able to take your job - because starving uneducated poor people have more job skills than you because they at least care and try to work. Not just complain that someone other than you is getting a public handout. Stop being a drain on the economy.

[@ibrajimenez2098]

im visiting Spain next year. Maybe i can stick to less tourist areas? Who knows. Im scared that the tourists are sucking the soul out of these places.

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

there is a LOT of non-touristy areas. it's a surprisingly big country. and tourists tend to stick in herds. so a little effort to avoid them often does the trick.

[@ibrajimenez2098]

@@ScottAlanMillerVlog yea . It seems that everyone wants to be in the gothic part of barcelona.

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

yup, there are a few iconic places that everyone flocks to because they saw it at the travel agents or in an instagram shoot. But just go to a random part of SPain and while it won't have the cathedral, it'll be an authentic experience.

[@ibrajimenez2098]

@@faragatanfarra thank youu! Im planning on going off season . Maybe ill have more luck. Also im fluent in spanish so im not afraid of going to non tourist areas.

[@inigollama6202]

idyllic England of the 1980s? LOL

[@shawnparker6635]

When you say "authoritative," do you mean "authoritarian"?

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

Jajaja, yes. That's a funny slip up.

[@mjmj240]

Maybe instead of forbidding and hassling tourists/travelers Europe should deny all the "social media influencers". Thats when Europe really changed. Everyone needs that selfie to put on their "social media" page that no one really gives a Sh!t about.

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

So that's a pretty tough thing. How do you do that without forbidding journalism? Imagine telling families... sorry, no family photos here. That will change the concept of travel really quickly. What will you do, confiscate phones? Being a "social media influencer" isn't a definable thing. 99.99% of people taking those selfies are just normal people on holiday taking their holiday pics. Not influencers. Influencers are few and far between, but they are also the group that drives business to locations that they promote. I think the hassle here is a fraction of the hassle it would be to attempt to stop people from taking holiday photos in the real world. I don't even have a good idea of how that would be possible.

[@mjmj240]

​@@ScottAlanMillerVlog Agree, I know impossible to enforce. Just saying that is when things really started changing and not for the better.

[@jean_carlos_shells]

Did you see the video of Chico Reyes Rosas he is a Nicaraguan influencer that left Nicaragua for a trip when he tried to return they wouldn’t let him back into the country over a KZbin video he posted of Nicaragua look into it it’s ludicrous what happened

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

it's not about being a youtuber or what he posted. i've seen his video. it was about an association with an american propagandist - which he says he doesn't have in the video. but the issue wasn't actually tied to Chico's youtube activities

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

@FishingWorldTraveler 1) why would you say something about being allowed to have an opinion when he was clear that opinion was not related to the situation 2) as a blanket out of context statement - no, no one anywhere should be allowed to just "do anything". But that's not what the situation was about either. Did you watch the video? You've got two things that are needed here. First, you need to understand what he says the issue IS. I've never seen anyone mention or discuss what the issue was (except him, obviously.) He's clear about what it was, but everyone posting makes up other reasons that he never claims and that make no sense. Once you understand what the issue is, THEN you can have a conversation about whether or not you agree with that logic. But we don't know anything other than what he is telling us, but listening to only his side of the situation, I can tell you, no one has been willing to actually discuss it because it's a very different thing than people want it to be.

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

Well we don't know any details. A guy I don't know made that claim from the US. I have no reason to doubt him. But I have no info at all. He's not an expat so nothing relatable to my experiences. And no other information, no other side exists. So it's not really something to have an opinion about. This is a situation between him and his government, nothing to do with any of us. Unless you have access to the full details of the situation that don't exist online, none of us can form an opinion as we just don't have the information to do so. But one thing we know FOR SURE, your information is incorrect. He was super clear that he was told it had absolutely nothing to do with him being a KZbinr. So I know two facts: 1) that we don't know enough for anyone to have an opinion on the situation and 2) nearly everyone discussing it is doing so for the purpose of spreading fake news and false panic because even he was crystal clear that it was related to his involvement with a foreign agent and totally unrelated to his youtube activity. You should watch his video before posting something like that. You are upset about a situation that didn't happen.

[@elizabethvalentinawasilews6207]

It is a risk in the USA !!!!

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

It's a HUGE risk in the US. We talk about that constantly here. Are you off of your meds?

[@kevinadams9468]

I find many of my friends are incapable of comprehending the idea that no nation or empire remains at the top of the pile forever, and that things, nations and even people's change. I have a friend who believes that because he grew up in the US Superpower days of the late and post-Cold War, that the US will (perhaps MUST) always maintain this position. He shakes his head when I remind him that not only China, but also India and Brazil are now ascending politically and economically. I asked him if he thought anyone in Britain in 1945 could have envisioned most of the empire gone or disappearing in just a few years as it did in 1948? He has no answer. The Romans didn't think their empire would ever fall. Even in Central America things have changed. I'm not sure who said it, but change is the only thing that remains the same. Great video by the way!

[@MatiasDC361]

I thought their beef was only with immigrants ROFL

[@MrJed_s]

Maybe I missed it, but did you mention the actual stated reason for collecting those details? It's not obvious how collecting bank details is going to do much to solve over-tourism.

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

I know of no theory of any legitimate reason behind the law.

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

Tracking ID, maybe. TRacing credit cards? That's just a pretext for theft or government money laundering.

[@dojocho1894]

immigrants from sub Sahara dont have to worry...

[@netizen_a]

I was thinking of getting a id card to keep my passport details private. Al’s a second bank account.

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

What kind of ID card is available to not have to use a passport?

[@DougMitchell-k2p]

Could you also discuss the fact that Nicaragua is now collecting everyone's finger prints at the border at the airport. This is very concerning and clearly a breech of rights.

[@kevinadams9468]

Whose rights exactly? You are projecting your personal (or US/Western) expectations and ideas of 'rights' onto a sovereign nation. The US fingerprints many travelers entering the US just because of the country of origin, nothing else. What about their rights vs. the right of the US to protect its citizens? There are plenty of nations that I do not understand, and I may not like their policies. I have the choice to not go there, not drink Bud Light, or avoid a country that allows serving dog meat, for example... I would be more worried about what Facebook, Alexa and my cellphone are collecting. Nicaragua's laws are Nicaragua's business.

[@darrinito]

@@kevinadams9468 As a US green card holder, I get finger-printed every time I re-enter the US. So, several times a year. But in the US, you always have to assuming that every single thing you do is being monitored. In places like Nicaragua that's far less likely because of limited government resources to do so.

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

I'm inclear what rights are even being approached here? I'm also unclear why border control acting like any global border control is in any way concerning. They already have your passport, face, etc. How is there the slightest concern about fingerprints? I'm unclear where there could be concern.

[@dojocho1894]

rights? whtas that?

[@tutorialespedronieto8023]

What is the name of that Law? I think you are misinformed.

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

News report is linked in the show description. It's been all over the news.

[@jmiller1913]

I live in Spain .. Catalunya exactly.. some good points here .. still love it after 6 years . Left Nicaragua in 2018 after 6 years in Matagalpa . My small city is packed with tourists beyond the traditional tourist seasons.. definitely an anti Air BnB sentiment here , understandable considering the mass gentrification of previously affordable properties in the old town etc.. spot on on the climate change for example. Many more SUVs / big cars and maybe not coincidentally, US style rude drivers than the “old Europe” . Still lots of Charm and old world feel when you get out of the cities just a little bit

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

Oh wow, what made you pick Barcelona? How is your Catalan now? I lived in the south of Granada before coming to Nicaragua. I love Spain. Barcelona to visit, def. But to live, I know this isn't popular, but I'd honestly prefer Madrid for day to day life.

[@jamesmckendry915]

Ironic, a guy who talks about privacy and authoritarianism lives in Nicaragua, look at their government

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

LOL, youi sound like an American making things up about foreign governments that you know nothing about. You most definitely SHOULD come to Nicaragua and see what it is like. But you sound scared to find out about the world.

[@xgtwb6473]

Why go to Europe when you can travel to the third world and have the same experience for cheaper 😂

[@archilito8051]

@@xgtwb6473 brilliant idea for example go to south Africa get kidnapped and your life shortened because of a cell phone.

[@Tzanti]

Because 90% of culture is in Europe. And it's all within 6-7 hours reach by train or car once you arrive. Of course you can go to cheaper destinations for nature and food... but for culture there's no rival to Europe.

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

Everywhere has culture. Europe has colonizer culture. Just because it's the culture of conquerors doesn't make it "more" culture. Europe is great in how close things are and how dense the population is. But it's not "more culturally rich" than places less known to .... Europeans. Only Europeans see it that way.

[@elizabethvalentinawasilews6207]

Stop lying 🤥

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

About what, can you clarify?

[@JuanPerez-il9ou]

Expat is ufemissm for immigrant!

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

Hardly, in no language do they mean the same thing. Language is important, you must be using words incorrectly and getting really confused if you think these are the same. You are misunderstanding a LOT of conversatiosn! Everyone who is just learning about expats says this exact same thing. It's the Good Will Hunting effect. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5myfnmCbdSqh8U kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnrVd5WPrpuejNE Sayhing all exapts are immigrants is like saying all immigrants are Mexicans, something super illiterate Americans tend to say but once you know what MExico is, it's obvious how silly that sounds. Same with this.

[@Igor-rav]

Immigrant and expat are the same according to the English Oxford dictionary, it is not a “euphemism”

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

@Fir_Hill not the same when i look at the OED. Immigrants are permanent settlers of a new country. expats are any people who left their old one. quite clearly very different.

[@ScottAlanMillerVlog]

@Fir_Hill i literally just looked up the oed to see if it really had the fake entry you mention. but it clearly does not.