Spain update - Can somebody please explain?

Spain update and what a week it has been. Some important issues dominating the press here this last week.
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[@imwelshjesus]

We're all doomed, doomed, doomed, I tell 'ya, doomed.

[@zeb747]

Thanks very much Stu, another great episode of Stu & 🐕👍👍

[@stephenkidgell8734]

As to the weather, it has been variable over the last decade or so. However, extreme is not a word I would use. Some 30 years ago we still had Gota Frias and drought. Overall, 2007 was not a good year, but we were globally at a high in terms of storms etc. This is a cycle the planet goes through and has done for many centuries.

[@lizcoleman5229]

Good point 👍

[@jamessomying]

Dending on geoengineering projects.

[@stbarnyp]

and climate change was still a thing 30 years ago.

[@Toltecgrl]

I’m happy Spain is getting Rain too! I told California we should share our rain since you guys were dry like us. 😅 I just hope the destruction won’t be too bad. We had some destruction. But I am thankful for the rain we received. 🙏❤️

[@barbaraneville5036]

So much drought dries everything up then when the rain happens the ground is So dry the water just flows without getting to the aquifer layer Benidorm it was flowing onto Levante beach and washing half the beach into the Sea doubt any stayed on the landmass at all

[@lindabiegenwald5924]

Tourists don't always bring their best selves with them. So if you are a rude, drunken tourists I can see where locals are pushed to their limits and slide down to saying some pretty nasty remarks. But in sporting evens it only takes one jerk to hurl a racist remark, then all the other jerks follow.

[@JoeSmith-bb6gi]

The racist Valencia fans were not tourists who got a bit too drunk and then shouted some things out of character they regretted. They were racists who thought it was OK to call Real Madrid's best player Vinicius, a monkey on repeated occasions. Vinicius gets a lot of abuse when Real Madrid play away. I was at Mallorca-Real Madrid in February. Vinicius got abuse from home crowd.

[@lindabiegenwald5924]

@@JoeSmith-bb6gi Yes I know what I was saying bad and racist behavior should not be tolerated be is a native or a tourist.

[@janethaver3375]

I agree Stuart that some of the language Spaniards use about foreigners, the disabled etc is old fashioned these days and can appear racist or ablist etc and can be seen as offensive

[@brandonross1996]

It’s their country they can say and do what they want. Sick to death of people going to European countries thinking they can rule the roost, telling the locals what they can say and think. Rising nationalism will sweep Europe over this decade and I can’t wait

[@petek5523]

@@brandonross1996 tell me you’re a racist xenophobe without telling me you’re a racist xenophobe 😅

[@GrantFrankBurton]

Sunny and warm here in Asturias. My Son just came up from Madrid and said it was raining the who way up to Pajares (around the beginning of the mountains)then sun.

[@joseantoniodavila2752]

We don't see racism in other sports, only in soccer. It doesn't matter if it's Spain or any other country. The Times has published that FIFA is considering whether Spain should host the 2030 World Cup because it doesn't meet the inclusion and human rights criteria that led them to choose Qatar as the last venue. I think it is propaganda. Vinicius and ETA have been the main topics of debate for tomorrow's elections.

[@alex31245]

What utter nonsense. Racism is present in ALL sports. It just happens to be that soccer is the most popular sport in Spain so it naturally gets more attention. But your disdain of anything that doesn't resemble the--cough cough--'true' Spain is quite known on this channel. Thanks for proving it yet again, José.

[@kevingilhooley2064]

FIFA has become a joke organization and is corrupt to the core.The human rights abuses in Qatar were conveniently overlooked for wads of cash.Spain is a shining beacon of equality compared to Qatar.

[@joseantoniodavila2752]

@@alex31245 Nobody ever called monkey to Tiger Woods or Gorilla to Michael Jordan. Soccer is appart and there are insults there of any sort. It's not about racism and in the meanwhile actual racism on one hand and soccer problems in the other are not in the agenda to be considered.

[@JoeSmith-bb6gi]

Yes Qatar that beacon of human rights and inclusion with absolutist monarchy, where migrant workers died building the stadiums. Qatar is definitely more racist than Spain but FIFA did not care. FIFA only cares about the money 💰 .

[@alex31245]

@@joseantoniodavila2752 What on earth are you blabbering about? Soccer is the most popular and public sport in Spain or are you seriously going to dispute that? Basketball and golf are--aside from football and hockey--one of the most popular sports in the US but this isn't about the US, it's about Spain because, you know, we're on a channel called "Spain Speaks" and not "USA Speaks". And the fact that you used "gorilla" to describe Michael Jordan says enough about your backward and archaic views.

[@mansabrice]

Black American here, planning to move to BCN. I am happy this conversation is happening. I want to be able to live in Spain without the fear of racism or bigotry. Luckily for me, in BCN my community of friends are very inclusive

[@dwdei8815]

Greetings from Madrid's Barrio Tetuán! The racism conversation is long overdue. In my first year here we went with friends to Parque Retiro and there they popped a couple of bottles of cava. "Isn't there a law about drinking in public?" I asked and was told it's okay, we're Spanish and British. The law isn't for us. That was the eye-opener and ever since then I've seen dozens of cases of discriminatory law enforcement. Looks like the rain will hold on for another fortnight, too. Weather's gone potty.

[@larrybxl5406]

same is equally the case in UK, if not ore so

[@jayclarke6671]

Apparently I think 7 were arrested over this issue.

[@tram7]

Watch the recordings, it was not a few people, it was A LOT.

[@demarsouthard3620]

Older Spaniards may be wary of non-Spanish people immigrating to Spain because they fear the loss of their culture. This is not xenophobia. Barbara Lerner Spectre is well known for having said (speaking in defense of the Jewish leadership in the cultural sea change all over Europe), “I think there’s a resurgence of antisemitism because at this point in time Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we’re going to be part of the throes of that transformation which must take place." [By transformation she means massive, unlimited immigration from Western Asia and Africa.] "Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that… Without that transformation, Europe will not survive.” (“Barbara Lerner Spectre calls for destruction of Christian European ethnic societies,” kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWWYiKeehbmiaJY) She is speaking in defense of the death of Europe as we knew it. This includes Spain. I valued my time in Spain as a guest and envied their long traditions and culture, having come from the US where it is said our culture is defined by not having a culture. I can fully understand a traditional Spaniard's concern over seeing his society and culture change daily before his eyes.

[@chrissierichards6802]

Wet and thunder in Salar for last week xx

[@helendudden9638]

Or other ways of providing water. In other countries with water issues they look for other options.

[@steadybcn]

Off to do my vote today (Sunday ) in Barcelona . Best to keep my head down and not to talk to strangers. lol Joking aside, I think all those both offering to buy votes and indeed sell votes deserve everything they get if caught by the law. It's a mess as it is at these local elections. When the general election arrives, is this an indication of how voting is being conducted in Spain? We don't want a repeat of 2015-16 when attempts to form a Spanish Government failed. Is it Here we go again?

[@erikawallace3404]

Not in Terrassa.... still no rain though the skies are there. Has rained a lot more in Barcelona!

[@topcat1802]

Yes, just look up - open your eyes to what is happening to the skys

[@martindouglas9839]

Mil gracias por el vídeo Stuart.perhaps some people don’t mind selling their vote 🗳 because they don’t think it will make any difference to them .who ever gets in

[@ribe3434]

That little dog barking after you mentioned weather again...😅😅

[@coffermartin77]

A bit of drama for your daily walk. Did you witness police brutality? How do you know he was a chorizo? Innocent till proven guilty. By the way, what time do you go for your walks? Do you walk every day? Has anyone given you a quizzical look when you walk past them speaking in English to your phone?

[@TimothyDowd]

We had a demo last week in Tenerife about sustainable tourism and some of the demonstrators had tourist go home signs... these were a minority and the movement is all about fair wages and sustainable tourism but the tabloids tend to pick up on the tourist go home element... I can imagine that the racist comments reported in the press are cherry picked also... I cannot imagine that.a whole population is a certain way except if you happen to be a populist politician or newspaper.

[@TravelonlineWalk]

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[@laurettecarolyne8599]

Ok. I have to speak out as a racialized person who lived in Spain. I followed the news report. The controversy was about a black footballer in Spain who experienced slurs, chants, insults, and having an effigy of his image burnt. His sentiments were shared by other black footballers in Spain and elsewhere. Others can't experience the same type of treatment experienced by blacks in Spain. I thought the press interview given by the Real Madrid coach about this Brazilian footballer was excellent. He understood the nuances of treatment based on race, such as being called names for one's team is not the same as being called a monkey and racial insults. In North America, we speak about "white privilege". You can walk into a store without being followed because of the color of your skin. I lived in Croatia and I was once very amused when a Croat had to read the last name of another person to figure out their ethnicity i.e. Serb or Bosniak. Blacks do not have that privilege. The color is obvious. There is an expression when speaking about racism. "Not without me". Significant because it directs us to listen to those with LIVED EXPERIENCE of racism (another term now frequently used by academics and ordinary people in North America ) who are best able to speak about it. Just like those with LIVED EXPERIENCE with disability are best placed to speak about disability and barriers they face. And women with LIVED EXPERIENCE of menopause are best placed to speak about it. Etc. Etc. I lived in Spain and there is racism in my hubby's own family! I worked for an international organization and did not immigrate, so maybe less xenophobia (once they knew I am Canadian). There is racism everywhere, including in Canada, a country heralded by many for tolerance. Spain is not unique regarding racism and not worse, in my opinion. I do not think their attitudes are worse than in other places I have lived in Europe (France, Croatia, Belgium, Switzerland). Are the English less racist? Are the Italians? No. No. I recall the European Cup finals a few years ago when the English black footballer missed the penalty shot to score a victory against Italy. He stated that he later suffered racial insults from English fans. What is the difference is how an institution, like al Liga, addresses racism. What does an organization, or a country plan to do? In Canada, black hockey players have had insults thrown at them. There was a big, big scandal a few months ago in Canada with racism towards black government employees by their white colleagues at the government organization that deals with complaints about human rights ( and thus racism) in Canada. Incredible!! How was it dealt with? Investigation. Government hearings with the leadership having to appear before a committee to answer questions about the allegations. Many of the members of this government committee were racialized persons. In other words, there was a system in place and representation on it by those with LIVED EXPERIENCE of racism. It is the response and the establishment of systems and processes that make the difference in combatting racism this is what makes Canada a leader. Racism exists here. In every country. Spain has had less immigration than say Canada. (You should visit Toronto or Vancouver someday and see what I mean) It is how one deals with it. Spain is now in a great position to deal with football racism. I hope they do.

[@frankreynolds4547]

I read it all Laurette, you articulated the issue brilliantly and very fairly in my opinion! No easy answers because people are generally tribal no matter what colour or creed and need to belong. This is filtered top down in politics and religion.

[@laurettecarolyne8599]

@@frankreynolds4547 Thank you. I appreciate your words.

[@mrlover4310]

Well if you're not going to vote for anybody you might as well sell it for 200 euros

[@demoman222]

THIS. THIS should be the main topic in Spain. Not the Vinicius issue, which is just another smoke curtain.

[@larrybxl5406]

I dont think people in Spain are more racist than other EU nations, fo example Belgium or Netherlands or France. Spanish are certianly not more racists than Brits

[@brianjackson7499]

Brits are certainly no more racist than Spaniards as well.

[@rogerdavies2796]

Your first 3 words are extremely apt !!!

[@isma4507]

Do think British people vote for Brexit because they don't want European come to UK We are gives you same treatment as you gives to our people who live in UK

[@rogerdavies2796]

@@isma4507 I am astonished that people don't educate themselves Brexit was voted for because people want to control their own destiny by self-government. Its starting to happen in other EU countries like Italy.

[@PhoenixBeI]

The best way to gauge racism in a country is to pay attention to political parties. Look at Vox. It's grown based on racist ideology. The election polls 2 weeks ago showed PSOE, PP, Podemos, and Vox in that order. The latest polls I saw put Vox on #3, moving above Podemos, a party with a highly anti-racist platform. When a party that advocates hatred moves up so much it means that Spaniards support their rhetoric, which means they are racists, sexists, xenophobes, and homophobes. Also, my dear Stuart, a white man in the Western world won't suffer racism. It's interesting you brought that up.

[@mireadur]

Stop the defamation please. You are free to have your opinion, but this is public defamation of people. If you are not lying on purpose then you need to listen what those politicians are really saying. Not just spitting out your propaganda.

[@juvenalsdad4175]

That shift in the polls does not necessarily mean that more people have decided to support Vox, as you have framed it. It may mean that support for Podemos has lessened, possibly due to their rather incoherent presentation, and obsessions with identity politics. Those people would be very unlikely to transfer their vote to Vox. To draw the conclusion that the Spanish are therefore 'racists, sexists, xenophobes, and homophobes' makes no sense whatsoever.

[@PhoenixBeI]

@@juvenalsdad4175 i hope you're right! Still, having the 3rd largest party be one of fascists is deeply concerning.

[@erikawallace3404]

When a party like Vox becomes what is has become, racism is there. Same un France, Front National was just a small party but its strength has increased throughout France. When I hear my 10-year-old talking about getting Stacks at the 'pakis', reminds me of the National Front in the UK.

[@DropdudeJohn]

You would do well to look at the incoming communities have done too the locals

[@erikawallace3404]

@@DropdudeJohn What do you mean? Are you talking about the gypsies? The people who live in slums?

[@Jon.Morimoto]

When a party like Vox becomes what it has become, Ignacio Garriga becomes its Secretary-General. Vox is not my favorite party, but their nationalism accepts those who integrate with Spanish culture and support the unity of the nation against the separatists and cultural marxists.

[@Susanj2001]

You don't live near Can Anglada then?... 😅

[@erikawallace3404]

@@Susanj2001 Nope... but racism creates ghettos and Can Anglada is an example.

[@nikkipp2407]

Hi Stuart, in my opinion most Spanish people are racist, or at the very least discriminatory between foreigners and national’s. If I told you the rubbish that I’ve been told in shops, the town hall, tax office, gym and elsewhere I would be here all day. An example is the town hall mistakingly took 26 euros from me and I was told that it could take 3 years to get it back. This sort of think just infuriates people.

[@manuelfg2902]

Sorry about you, may i know where u from?

[@nikkipp2407]

@@manuelfg2902 Hi Manuel, Benalmadena, Malaga.

[@manuelfg2902]

@@nikkipp2407 born and raised?

[@nikkipp2407]

@@manuelfg2902 No! I don't understand why you ask that question?

[@manuelfg2902]

@@nikkipp2407 because you said you've been a victim of spanish racism......you where u from originally?

[@bradyreed3457]

Overt racist abuse as has been seen at football games is the very tip of the racism iceberg, and is relatively easy to deal with. The main challenge is doing something about the systemic racism built into almost every society. For example, in renting and buying property, doing business with banks, getting adequate medical care. This is what we're dealing with here in the US, and I'm sure that in a relatively homogenous society like Spain's, there's much, much work to do.

[@philipokennedy1148]

Hi Stuart Good to see that you’re highlighting the very important issue of racism. Unfortunately it’s happening not just in Spain or in La Liga. I have to disagree with you though when you say that some Spaniards are “a little bit racist”. That’s a bit like being a little bit pregnant ! In my opinion you’re either racist or not and people need to think seriously about this. What you didn’t say was that after Vinicius Jnr reacted following the racist taunt he was actually sent off though that now has been rescinded. We have a long way to go to root out this evil ! Love the show and looking forward to heading to our new home in La Vinuela in Andalucia next week. Keep up the great work 😀

[@jackie842]

I lived in la Coruna, and Madrid in the 70 s . I had a very rough time. My husband was Spanish’s we had two little girls. I was called lots of nasty names ,one day I was spat at , My daughter came home from school ,and asked me why was I English. in the end the British Embassy got me out, They said I was a serious case . love listening to your podcast just to know what goes on over there.

[@manuelfg2902]

Are u black?

[@jonathangat4765]

'Extranjero' often isn't a compliment.

[@Gus-cg9yp]

Ask them what they think about the british and you'll be surprised

[@leoh5247]

Hey, look up the sky,chemtrail everyday,take care.

[@thomasbarchen]

Wear a mask for your safety!

[@pierrewave7235]

@@thomasbarchen Don't forget your WHO approved chem-trail jab.

[@thomasbarchen]

@@pierrewave7235 I made my own and its kept me healthy: whiskey and cola.

[@bdwon]

Meteorologists say that increased temperature allows air to hold more humidity, so that when a disturbance develops there is more moisture aloft available to produce torrential rains. What you describe is exactly what their global warming models predict, i.e., extended dry spells punctuated by heavy rains.

[@mikeflory66]

Totally agree Stuart terms used by many particularly the older generation, to describe foreigners generally and particularly people of colour is far from correct. What amazes me that south Americans (descendents of Spanish Colonists) seem to suffer the worst of the racist comments here in Spain.

[@mireadur]

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

[@JoeSmith-bb6gi]

There are a lot of expressions in Spanish which are derogatory to blacks, chinese or latinos less so to Northern Europeans or North Americans.

[@enriquearaujo7653]

Though I refuse to condone the racism carried against Vinicius Jr, we can´t loose sight that he is making millions of euros in Spain.

[@rogerdavies2796]

Totally irrelevant

[@petek5523]

And that justifies the racism? Bro 😅

[@chriscleary5535]

I've been visiting Cataluña and Spain for half of my life and love the country. However the racism in Spain and Cataluña is reminiscent of England in the 70's (that's not to say that racism has disappeared in England. It hasn't ). My own country of Ireland is hardly a shining beacon of openness with the introduction of immigrants to the now prosperous New Ireland. Most of my friends in Spain are immigrants but let's not mince words the vilest language and attitudes are aimed at people of colour (remember the thousands at the Barcelona Grand Prix in blackface as they welcomed Lewis Hamilton) and moreso those from Africa. It's disappointing and truly pathetic. And don't pretend there were small numbers chanting "mono,mono" in the Mestalla. Thousands were chanting the vile abuse. Many felt safe in posting videos of themselves and fellow "fans" singing their abuse. It would be marvellous if Vini Jr. making a stand were to change attitudes in Cataluña/Spain but quite frankly I don't see that happen.

[@JoeSmith-bb6gi]

Racism in Spain: As a white Brit living in Madrid for nearly 3 years. I have not really personally experienced racism. Some people have called me a "guiri" mostly in a joking way. Maybe I have experienced discrimination in terms of less good service in a restaurant, bar or shop compared to a Spanaird. Also looking for flat maybe I get fewer responses because I have a foreign name. Is Spain more racist than other countries. I think yes more racist than UK (or at least London and South East) in terms of insults against individual. In UK lived in Brighton and London which are cosmopolitan diverse cities. Madrid is also very diverse. I know UK had Brexit vote which was mostly motivated by xenophobia and wanting to stop immigration and won on basis of many lies. Weather: It has been very wet in Madrid this last week. Before that we had some very hot weather in April and early-mid May. It was very hot in Granada when I went there for puente de mayo. There is a drought and the rain is needed. There was spectacular storm last night in Madrid. I don't know if the DANA compensates for the drought or not. It is a lot of rain but is it enough to make up for 4 or 5 months of almost no rain? Either way it is clear that climate change and global warming is causing more extremes of weather.

[@isma4507]

Why you British people cry all the time huh? You know Spaniards face racism in UK go and follow some Spanish KZbinr they explain how much British people are racist

[@isma4507]

Other things British people are racist mostly that's why they vote for Brexit 😂 and they want now move to EU

[@helendudden9638]

Drug dealing causes many problems.

[@lisajrable]

I'm shocked that people are racist here in Spain we are a multi cultural country imo 🤔

[@clearwaterflorida5267]

definitely racist, same crap I hear all the time here in Florida... I am watching this channel to find a new country to call home but I think I need to keep looking... I am so tired of the political disagreements and racism... spent a month in Spain 2019 and even thought my Spanish isn't where it should be I could detect some didn't wants us there.

[@queva3062]

No country welcomes you 💯, just look at the bright side -- nice & nasty ppl are everywhere unfortunately

[@jayclarke6671]

If Spain is in fact racist, I think the women are worse than the men generally speaking but obviously not all or even perhaps a majority. Certainly in the context of dating. As a blonde white guy I get little attention here and it was even worse when I was living in Madrid. If you're looking for love and you have Northern European features, Spain is not a good destination. Try Asia.

[@SkepticalTeacher]

It's not about that, it's about integration: do you speak fluent Spanish? Do you understand how important family ties are here to extended family?

[@jayclarke6671]

@@SkepticalTeacher yes B2 level. I still have no idea what they are saying to each other because they speak so quickly and use a lot of slang and more importantly what they're talking about is usually just trivial BS to pass the time.

[@McFraneth]

Most Spanish women are only interested in money. That and cleaning constantly. If you don't have money, forget it.

[@manuelfg2902]

Try USA.........what happened to you in Madrid?

[@Emm.Jaycee]

If you don’t like what football fans say then don’t go to football matches. If you don’t like the abuse the local fans throw at you stick to playing in your own country. Football fans don’t care where you’re from, they’ll find a way to abuse anyone who doesn’t play (well) for their team. If you don’t like what the locals say then don’t migrate into their country. Choosing to migrate to another country and expecting them to change and accommodate your sensibilities is a bit rich. Calling them names like racists and xenophobes is quite rude.

[@billlynn8256]

Still angry about Brexit Matty boy?

[@redrain4477]

You shouldn’t grade racism . Little /medium / extremely etc. racism is either racist or not .I think predigest is more of a factor in certain countries

[@lorrainenoneofyourbusiness]

Oh god Spain is gonna reap the whirlwind of Woke big time. Strap in it gonna get bumpy. That footballer has taken your free speech, adios.

[@bdwon]

What are the Chihuahua threat? Are Spaniards making insulting comments about them on account of their Mexican origins? My cousins in Mexico always complain about the racists in Spain bad-mouthing them when they visit !

[@whirltraveller1350]

I'm sorry, but I think that your comments could have leaned more to the sympathetic and supportive of the Brazilian star than they did. You could not possibly walk in his shoes so it is unfortunate that you chose to compare your lack of a similar experience to his. This has gone on for far too long without any action from the authorities until the player rightly took a stand. Shame.

[@tritosac]

What's your problem? He isn't minimizing the situation by mentioning his own experience. He is merely reporting the current events. How much more sympathy did you want him to show? Would you happy if he dropped to his knees and started crying? Serious what the hell do you want from people? It's not his fault. Go to Spain and get angry at the people who actually made racist remarks. God!

[@whirltraveller1350]

@tritosac Excuse me! It's merely my opinion, just like you are giving yours. Stuart always requests comments and I don't think he is necessarily looking for his viewers to always agree with him. Surely if he has an issue with my remarks, he will say so.

[@philiplindley7384]

A lot of people need to stop being snowflakes and grow a pair.

[@Urbanhandyman]

Especially in a drought region.

[@alex31245]

Or perhaps they should grow a white skin, Philip? Any idea where in Spain one might be able to purchase one? I looked in a supermercado but, alas, to no avail.

[@philiplindley7384]

@@alex31245 Apparently it took Europeans around 10,000 years to become as pale as we are after we all left Africa but your descendants could make the change in 4/5 generations by interbreeding, if that's what you want.

[@alex31245]

@@philiplindley7384 Oh, I'm never reproducing, you needn't worry about that, Philip. I wouldn't want to create a life that has to live with people who share your opinions about their fellow man. What you do need to worry about is as simple as your opinions: change. And, guess what, not even all your "pale" ancestors-as you so eloquently described them-can change that.