Speaking to Mormons About Deception in the LDS Gospel Topics Essays

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The Mormon Church gospel topics essays contain some of the clearest examples of LDS Church history revisions and exploitation of human decency. Skeletons in the Mormon Church closet include spiritual wifery, underage teenage polygamy, polyandry and undercover adultery done in the name of God. If any man restricts or rewrites the Word of God, that man will do anything in the name of God. Learn more at: DECEPTION IN THE MORMON CHURCH ESSAYS - www.4mormon.org/essays-decept...

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@kylaallen822 3 ай бұрын

These are the very reasons I left the church at the age of 61, having been a member for over 40 years. Thank you so much for being forthright and bringing the truth to light.

@bishopleebaker7003 3 ай бұрын

God bless and stay strong

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

I left the LDS church in 1998 at age 43. That was long before the church published their Gospel Topics Essays. I debated Mormon apologists on the internet on Mormon issues from 1996 to 2004. The funny thing about the Gospel Topics Essays is that some of the things that they admit to were called "anti-Mormon lies" by those apologists 20-25 years ago. For example, the church's admission that Joseph Smith used his "seer stone in the hat" business to pretend to translate the golden plates. There are still some True Believing Mormons out there who refuse to believe that, even though current LDS church president Russell M. Nelson admitted to it in a KZbin video. (See the short video "LDS Mormon Prophet Russell Nelson Book of Mormon Seer Stones & Hat Translation Explained.") Another admission is the fact that Joseph Smith had sex with some of his plural wives. During my 43 years in the church, I was taught that Smith's plural marriages were only platonic "sealings for eternity," with no sex. I was taught that Smith was only sealed to a few old spinster women so that they could "ride his coattails" into the celestial kingdom. And there are still some naive troo believers out there who continue to believe that.

@gilbertmiraflor3591 2 ай бұрын

@bishopleebakerI may be slow here but the church never admitted that Joseph Smith "married" these women that were married to other men, I must overlook this. Why not tell these people that it was "Sealing"??? And it was never polyandry Bishop it was polygamy by sealing. You said 40 wives? and yet no children at all from any of these women? You can lie all you want but at least be fair! Polygamy is far more glorious than adultery after all. It was discontinued in 1890, ., by "revelation" And you said explicitly that the church admitted that Joseph had actual sexual relations with these women? I read the essay. Never near to what you were saying. You are lying to God and your audience/followers.

@tucuxi70 2 ай бұрын

@@bishopleebaker7003 You don't follow God. You lie!

@DellSchanze 9 күн бұрын

You left because you ignored what God said and listened to what these liars said? Hello? The one true church comes with direct confirmation from God. Who in their right mind is going to listen to arm of flesh lies of man instead of God himself?

@user-ux3vb5zg1p 3 ай бұрын

The church is true no way could joseph smith in his short life transpose the book of mormon with such words of wisdom and all the volumns of the joseph smith papers and do all that he did with out the help of God an ex bishop can loose their faith and testomony just the same as anyone we cant believe he was an ex bishop

@brucegillingham2793 3 ай бұрын

That is an entirely inaccurate statement. He directly copied from his KJV bible even included the grammatic errors. Between the Fraternity of Rodsman, Free Masons, The new Isrealites and the Book of the Hebrews he had everything he needed to concoct a story mainly by plagiarizing other books.

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

A century ago, the LDS scholar BH Roberts made an intense study of the Book of Mormon, and he concluded that Joseph Smith had the talent and the previously-published source material by which to write the Book of Mormon. When you combine that with the fact that in the 194 years since the book was published, no evidence has been discovered to support its claims, then the book is a demonstrable fraud from every angle you approach it.

@micmacc2014 3 ай бұрын

Early Christianity would have been considered a cult.

@yeshalloween 3 ай бұрын

I’m Hyrum Smith’s great-great-great granddaughter. Joseph Fielding Smith’s great-granddaughter. I can’t begin to describe the betrayal I’ve felt. It’s been crushing. Myself and my husband and our 5 kids have left. Our commitment to being honest would not allow us to stay another moment. Now my mom doesn’t speak to me or her grandkids as a result.

@bishopleebaker7003 2 ай бұрын

My wife and I feel for you and your family. It has been many many years of pain and sorrow but our life as you will see your life is better in truth than living a lie may God bless you.

@randyjordan5521 2 ай бұрын

It's fascinating that whether you are descended from original Mormons, or whether you converted to Mormonism, when you conclude that it's all false, we are all the same. It surprises me that there aren't more general authorities or other high-profile Mormons who leave it. I'd like to see some Mormons who are the equivalent of Ex-Scientologists Leah Remini and Mike Rinder leave the church and speak out against it.

@gilbertmiraflor3591 2 ай бұрын

@tucuxi70 2 ай бұрын

@@bishopleebaker7003 You live a lie every day!

@DellSchanze 9 күн бұрын

Following arm of flesh lies of man instead of God is really absurd. The one and only true church on earth comes with direct confirmation from God. How ridiculous is it to call God a liar? Seriously? The disciples of Christ have what they say backed by the Holy Ghost in real time as they say it. You can lie against God but God doesn't lie. If ANYONE lies in the one true church... POOF!! Gone goes the gift of the Holy Ghost. No backing from God for you. Liars make up ridiculously elaborate lies but they are all worthless as they have no backing from God. You guys can't even get the devil to back up your lies. The one true church comes with DIRECT CONFIRMATION FROM GOD! 80,000 missionaries are the most successful in the world because their simple message of the one true church comes with DIRECT CONFIRMATION FROM GOD!! So lying and pretending the only true church that is literally backed by God himself is deceiving people.... the devil is playing a good joke on you guys. Stop being so gullible and try following God.

@eclipse-sh1qmZ3mOtcua 3 ай бұрын

31:19 Jesse N. Smith, a cousin of Joseph Smith said: “[The Prophet was] incomparably the most God-like man I ever saw. … I know that by nature *he was incapable of lying and deceitfulness, possessing the greatest kindness and nobility of character* ." OMG, you're correct Bishop Baker. Joseph Smith was probably the greatest Con Man; he was definitely NOT an honest man!

@tucuxi70 3 ай бұрын

No Lee Baker is the con man.

@eclipse-sh1qmZ3mOtcua 3 ай бұрын

You, tucuxi70, didn't even watch the video. You haven't even read the book "In Sacred Loneliness:" So you, tucuxi70 know absolutely NOTHING. You only have "feelings" and absolutely no evidence. Do you realize you just libeled Bishop Lee Baker? Are you in the habit of committing Libel? @@tucuxi70

@eclipse-sh1qmZ3mOtcua 3 ай бұрын

Hi Justin. What's your evidence for your claim? Do you have any? I bet you won't respond with any evidence, because I bet you don't have ANY evidence at all. Isn't that what the Church taught us? That NO EVIDENCE is needed. Just want to believe bad enough and you'll convince yourself that you have a "feeling." It's so very sad for you Justin. So very, very sad that you believe in something for which there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE at all. I once was believed in something that turned out to be false. I thank God that I was willing to face up to reality. So why is it Justin Snyder that you cannot face up to reality? It's because you convinced yourself you got a "feeling" when you wanted so badly to believe in something the Church taught, right? So very, very sad that you'll spend your entire life believing in something for which there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE at all. And when you pass from this world into the next, you will have only REGRET that you wasted your entire lifetime believing in something for which there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE at all. All because you wanted it to be true. Sometimes we want to believe something so badly that we convince ourselves it's true, when it really isn't. Has that ever happened to you Justin? I happen to know that it has. Have you read the CES Letter, Justin? Have you read the SEC Report, Justin? just google "SEC Ensign Peak" and read the 9-page SEC report. I challenge you, Justin. Do you have enough courage? @@tucuxi70

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

And Jesse N. Smith said that, knowing that Joseph Smith lied about teaching and practicing polygamy to the day he died.

@gilbertmiraflor3591 2 ай бұрын

@aliceaubalmasque3645 3 ай бұрын

That is why I can't believe anymore this church is the Savior's one. Looks to much like a cult

@kerstinklenovsky239 3 ай бұрын

It is a cult.

@ryansmith6610 3 ай бұрын

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. Must be....

@tucuxi70 3 ай бұрын

@@ryansmith6610 The church is not a duck.

@ryansmith6610 3 ай бұрын

@@tucuxi70 your right, it's a cult

@brucegillingham2793 3 ай бұрын

@@tucuxi70 Are you arguing against the truth of the LDS church?

@botofogo2212 3 ай бұрын

I believe Joseph originally taught the trinity. It evolved to the "3 separt beings " doctrine . This is why the First Vision story changed. Moreover, The Book of Mormon and Smith's Lectures On Faith teach the trinity.

@BaBumz 3 ай бұрын

Where?

@briandavis6898 3 ай бұрын

@@BaBumzthe book of Mormon and doctrine and covenants says directly that the father, son and holy Ghost is one God. That's official LDS doctrine and always was

@sheliabryant3997 3 ай бұрын

@botofogo. It's JESUS' OWN WORDS, alone, He wants us to allow to DWELL in us individually, NOT THE WORDS OF MEN. He does instruct by Isaiah 2:22 (NON- jst!), "Cease from man, whose breath [LIFE] is in his NOSTRILS." "The words I SPEAK TO YOU are LIFE and they are SPIRIT." (John 6:63, NON-jst) 🌹

@tucuxi70 3 ай бұрын

Yes they are a trinity in that they work together. No they are not the same person.

@rancierae 3 ай бұрын

Thx for your work ! I’ve been waiting for you to post again

@gilbertmiraflor3591 2 ай бұрын

@SafeHaven_6.24 3 ай бұрын

Whether these were lies concocted almost 200 years ago or simple truth was left out (such as the possibility of abuse by their first husband or them not allowing their wives to continue to fellowship with the saints), it matters not. The Church may be required to put these accusatory histories up for the world to see, but let the heavens and the earth be shaken as foretold; as for me and my family, we will follow the Lord, and by His mouth or the mouth of the prophets, it is the same! Anyone that is detracted by things like this, they were first looking for reasons to leave the Church, good riddance to the chaff and tares. We are seeing the percentage getting closer to 50/50 for when He comes again.

@brucegillingham2793 3 ай бұрын

So after hearing the truth and having an opportunity to learn the truth for yourself you decide to still believe all this made up stuff?

@markkrispin6944 3 ай бұрын

Time to stop drinking the Mormon Kool-Aid.

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

"Whether these were lies concocted almost 200 years ago or simple truth was left out (such as the possibility of abuse by their first husband or them not allowing their wives to continue to fellowship with the saints), it matters not." You are demonstrating the typical level of ignorance of Mormon history as the average rank and file Mormon. None of the 11 already-married women whom Joseph Smith plural married had abusive husbands or would not allow them to attend church. Most of them were the wives of other high-ranking church leaders. For example, I assume you're aware that Joseph Smith sent apostle to Orson Hyde to Palestine to dedicate that land for the return of the Jews; but I doubt you're aware that while Hyde was gone, Joseph plural married his wife Marinda. I assume you're also unaware that when Smith propositioned apostle Orson Pratt's wife Sarah, that Orson was so upset and despondent that he considered suicide. And I assume that you're unaware that on May 13, 1844, Joseph Smith's former counselor in the church presidency, William Law, wrote in his diary that Joseph "had lately endeavored to seduce my wife, and had found her a virtuous woman." What you, as a typical Mormon, do not understand---because the church has not told you---is that Joseph Smith instituted polygamy on a "pecking order" basis, wherein the highest-ranking church leaders got their choice of the most women, whether those women were already married or not. That is why Smith had more than 30 plural wives at his death, and Brigham Young had more than 50. In 1998, Mormon historian Todd Compton published his 788-page history of this subject titled "In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith." Compton stated this: "In the group of Smith’s well-documented wives, eleven (33 percent) were 14 to 20 years old when they married him. Nine wives (27 percent) were twenty-one to thirty years old. Eight wives (24 percent) were in Smith’s own peer group, ages thirty-one to forty. In the group aged forty-one to fifty, there is a substantial drop off: two wives, or 6 percent, and three (9 percent) in the group fifty-one to sixty. "The teenage representation is the largest, though the twenty-year and thirty-year groups are comparable, which contradicts the Mormon folk wisdom that sees the beginnings of polygamy as an attempt to care for older, unattached women. These data suggest that sexual attraction was an important part of the motivation for Smith’s polygamy. In fact, the command to multiply and replenish the earth was part of the polygamy theology, so non-sexual marriage was generally not in the polygamous program, as Smith taught it." I hope this helps you to understand Joseph Smith's practices and motivations a little better than you did before reading it.

@LucasKirbyMusic 2 ай бұрын

You are so blind that even when the church admits that it has hidden actual history and has lied since the beginning, you still don't care. You're following a fake church. And to say that you know why people seek answers to the inconsistencies, and blame them for the church' lies, moving of the goal post, and constant messages to "pay no heed to the man behind the curtain", just shows your willingness to bury your head in the sand. If you're okay with JS marrying and sleeping with 14 year old girls when he was 36, then I think you've got some contemplation to do.

@gwenmontgomery7585 3 ай бұрын

Finally!!!! Someone that says what a blasphemy it is to the REAL Jesus Christ!

@chrishumphries7489 3 ай бұрын

Ya’ll know this dude left Christianity many years ago, right? He was disgusted when taught by Evangelical preachers that ‘if a war criminal confessed to Jesus on his deathbed he was saved, while the nonbelievers he killed were lost to forever to Hell.’ He lost all faith in Christ and then left for Judaism. Not long after that he lost all faith in God and became a staunch atheist. Might need to know who you’re listening to.

@gwenmontgomery7585 3 ай бұрын

@@chrishumphries7489 at least he did us all a huge favor putting this video together. The abundance of material and truths he has divulged is extremely useful. Just because he has lost his way does not void the facts that he has put forth. It is unfortunate that he has lost his belief in the bible and the God head. I find that is not uncommon for folks coming out of mormanism. Most have been so indoctrinated it may take years.... and maybe never , to get it all straightned out in their mind. I have studied THEE CHURCH and he is spot on. Have a blessed life.

@sheliabryant3997 3 ай бұрын

@@chrishumphries7489 He's persistent enough to discover what other "faiths" are actually up to, and he's walked out on the two worst. He'll not stop, because he knows what TO STEER AWAY FROM. That is where we will be met by the One. 🌹

@chrishumphries7489 3 ай бұрын

@@sheliabryant3997 I have no idea what your talking about.

@mrjeffpatane 3 ай бұрын

So far so good. Thanks for putting this video together.

@bishopleebaker7003 3 ай бұрын

Our pleasure!

@gilbertmiraflor3591 2 ай бұрын

@@bishopleebaker7003 @bishopleebakerI may be slow here but the church never admitted that Joseph Smith "married" these women that were married to other men, I must overlook this. Why not tell these people that it was "Sealing"??? And it was never polyandry Bishop it was polygamy by sealing. You said 40 wives? and yet no children at all from any of these women? You can lie all you want but at least be fair! Polygamy is far more glorious than adultery after all. It was discontinued in 1890, ., by "revelation" And you said explicitly that the church admitted that Joseph had actual sexual relations with these women? I read the essay. Never near to what you were saying You are lying to God and your audience/followers.

@jimanddonnadexter523 3 ай бұрын

As a convert, and someone who separated 20 years ago from the church, these irregularities are why I cant step back in. Why lie? Why were we lied to?

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

You were lied to to because if the church told the truth about its origins, it wouldn't have survived five years.

@jamesmaxwell9289 3 ай бұрын

My core interest is the Book of Mormon. Was it or is it God's Word? I am not a Mormon, nor do I belong to any organized church, but God is real and He does speak to ME, and I know others who hear His voice. King David and Soloman fell into sin. Catholics burned an untold number at the stake. Mankind is prone to sin, nevertheless, some men are called to write what they hear, and publish it. It is the words of our Father that I wish to hear, study and ponder, be they spoken out of the mouths of babes, men or angels. I have read carefully a number of pages from the Book of Mormon and find it to be very clear and instructive, and I will continue to study it carefully regardless of the accusations made against the Mormons, and yes there are many.

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

The Book of Mormon is a 19th-century fraud. Its story mentions things like horses, elephants, chariots, forged metal tools and weaponry, and Hebrew and Christian people and worship in Pre-Columbian America. None of those things existed before the Europeans came to the Americas. So regardless of the "wisdom" or "inspiration" in the book, it was written and published for the purpose of fraud.

@gilbertmiraflor3591 2 ай бұрын

@shadricosuave 3 күн бұрын

It speaks of Christ and encourages men to believe in Christ and his atonement. I believe it to be the word of God.

@jamesmaxwell9289 3 күн бұрын

@@shadricosuave Yes, and I believe you are correct also.

@beaverrick 3 ай бұрын

One of the five who will be too late to the wedding feast. . .

@loum111 3 ай бұрын

Yes, but the church still lied prior to the church essays. How can anyone ignore these lies.

@tucuxi70 3 ай бұрын

Peter lied, but it is still Christ's church.

@sertinduhm6378 3 ай бұрын

@@tucuxi70you have a major issue though. your version of God was so upset with lies and false doctrine that He apparently needed to make a new one. If God's goal was to restore truth, then making the LDS church was a hypocrisy of God.

@loum111 3 ай бұрын

@@tucuxi70 So how does this justify his leaders lying to us? How we can trust our leaders who take temple vows of being honest when they lie about doctrine and billions of dollars and then lie by saying they had nothing to do with putting down the laws of prop 8 and then a few years later agree on a bill that will benefit the church and make same sex marriage safe too. Why must church members ignore all of the lies and contradictions of their leaders? Why do some of the same leaders want to vote for a man who is a liar and a thief as the next president and say we believe in being honest and just? Yes, I threw in politics and Ive sat in rooms of church folk that see politics and church leaders forgetting the vow of honestty

@gilbertmiraflor3591 2 ай бұрын

@tucuxi70 Ай бұрын

@@sertinduhm6378 By the way, the church was RESTORED, not a new church. It was Christ's church once on the Earth. Wise up!

@briandavis6898 3 ай бұрын

13:32 i would read doctrine and covenants 46 in reference to this

@tucuxi70 3 ай бұрын

So Lee Baker is telling you he disagrees with 2 Peter 1:20-21 and criticizes the LDS church for following that scripture! 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

@1god-126 3 ай бұрын

hi god here iz know there's many of you who won't have faith that it's me i know that because I've been trying to communicate with you our human famley on KZbin 5+ years without much kindess from the viewers iz love saying i love you not because you don't have faith But how could i not say i love you first it's the first thing on my mind 🤗 💕 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦🌱 i have given revelation that you have not gotten from any religious leader either of Church or S.T.ATE revelation that if someone is intellectually truthful they could not reject yet no faith & from the lack of positive response not even hope And that makes no sense!!!! You might think that somebode in our human famley at least they'd have hope!!! iz going to ask you to entertain the thought for a moment that it is truley god that's communicating with you here in the present 💝 what is it that i can say that would satisfy you that its me

@MouseQueso 3 ай бұрын

Keep telling the truth Lee, Good Job!

@gilbertmiraflor3591 2 ай бұрын

@ClassicGuitarRockJFL 21 күн бұрын

This sums up exactly how I've decided to back out of the church - The history of Joseph Smith is so disturbing. I cannot in good conscience, as a follower of Christ, any longer accept JS or the early history of the church. What you said is exactly right! The "anti Mormon" literature I was exposed to as a full-time missionary (1987-89) is now recognized as true by the church! Thank you for laying this all out so well!

@rconger24 3 ай бұрын

Is your channel title "Bishop Lee Baker" *_really_* truthful?

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

Well, he's a damn sight more truthful than Joseph Smith Jr. was.

@ryansmith6610 2 ай бұрын

Thank you bishop for your ministry, I have been watching your videos and the other lds ministry content to help me reach my family and friends. Thank you for helping to teach Mormonism to mormons. Saved by the grace of God this last December. Praise God for the Information age that shines a light on the falsehoods in the mormon church.

@johns1834 2 ай бұрын

As of today. The local missionaries (kids) haven’t heard of this. Sent them a link with the footnotes to the LDS letter regarding Plural marriages in Navi and Kirkland. Just planting mustard seeds. Thanks.

@bishopleebaker7003 2 ай бұрын

Please do… you Rock

@johns1834 2 ай бұрын

@@bishopleebaker7003 Thanks, but have to ask; is 'you Rock' like Rock on Baby - Great Job? or is 'you Rock' mean like you knuckle head? I working on an email for my still mormon daughters using the information you provided, especially in regard to footnote 21 of in the 'Plural Marriages in Kirkland and Navuu' essay. But have to admit it's hard, knowing it will more than likely be insulting to them and possibly jeopardize out relationship, but all we can do is keep planting mustard seeds and let the Holy Spirit take it from there. Thanks for you video. You Rock - Like Rock on Baby.

@Cocoon68 3 ай бұрын

When I read those essays 8 months ago I was aghast!! I was horrified!! I have been trying ever since to convince my husband to read these essays.. he simply doesn’t want the truth.. it will be an uphill battle I’m afraid..

@bishopleebaker7003 3 ай бұрын

I will tell you that after the pain of losing my children and grandchildren, as the Church does NOT care what pains you endure to know the truth... we would have slowly and quietly left Mormonism. What you are learning is true, but is not worth a split family.

@Cocoon68 3 ай бұрын

@@bishopleebaker7003 luckily for me, my children had already left the church and I knew none of this information and yet half of them didn’t know this information, and I had never discussed it with them or why they had stopped going. I just simply ignored it. I guess in hoping and prayed that they would come back, then when I finally searched and was researching about polygamy, that is when I discovered the gospel topics essays, and after reading them and other books like rough stone rolling, and no man knows my history and in sacred loneliness, I began to put all the pieces together, and it made me sick to my stomach to think that we had been betrayed in such a way. Now I can’t tell you how grateful I am that my children are out of this cult because that is exactly what it is and I now will continue to pray that my husband will see the light. The church is a foundation of lies!!! And my husband too was bishop twice and in the Stake presidency..

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

When those essays were published a LOT of active, believing Mormons thought that some "anti-Mormons" had hacked the church's website and put those essays there, because the info in the essays is so different from what most Mormons had been taught and believed. Because those essays told more details about Joseph Smith's polygamy practice than they had previously admitted to, a movement has sprung up among Mormons whose proponents argue that Smith had nothing to do with polygamy at all. They are known as "Joseph Smith polygamy deniers," and they have websites and KZbin channels in which they propagate their completely wrongheaded theories.

@gilbertmiraflor3591 2 ай бұрын

@NerdyGirlLiveLove 3 ай бұрын

religions are just man made. Given enough time they show whom they really are.

@DKMELT 3 ай бұрын

Nerdy girl, everyone has a religion, including you.

@sheliabryant3997 3 ай бұрын

@Nerdy. 🐦 Easy way out? But, you don't need a RELIGION to have RELATIONSHIP with Christ. So, best to you.

@mervyneggleston429 3 ай бұрын

I have been blessed to discover and rediscover the scriptures. There have been promised blessings. All that I can say to you is that you should read Alma 12:9. When that happens will never doubt or criticize again.

@kylaallen822 3 ай бұрын

Respectfully, it was written by a fraud. I can write words of inspiration, but if I lie as to their creation, they mean nothing.

@sheliabryant3997 3 ай бұрын

@mervyn. NO MORE MOMO for this house! Good for your own "discovery"; WATCH WHERE YOU ARE DRIVING. 🌹

@DiffQ_Bro 3 ай бұрын

I’m an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I believe what I want, as long as I can answer temple recommend questions. Teaching it is a different matter. The only Gospel Topic Essay I read is the one on Book of Mormon DNA, because it has interesting evolutionary biology in it.

@tucuxi70 3 ай бұрын

Evolution is false!

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

Then I assume you're aware that DNA studies indicate no evidence of admixture of Hebrew/Semitic DNA into native American populations before Columbus.

@LucasKirbyMusic 2 ай бұрын

Why would you remain willfully ignorant when the church actually gives you essays that are approved for reading? This shows that your "testimony" is only based off what you choose to study, rather than the sum of its whole. How can anyone take your testimony seriously if you don't actually know the true history of the church? If truth were measured by feelings, then everyone's individual beliefs would be true, and the men who crashed planes into the WTC would be more correct than you, given that they felt so strongly about their religion that they were willing to kill others, including themselves for their beliefs. Open your eyes. You've been lied to.

@DiffQ_Bro 2 ай бұрын

@@LucasKirbyMusic I’ve read Rough Stone Rolling. I’ve probably read more church history than you. The essays are for common folk. I prefer peer-reviewed works.

@DiffQ_Bro 2 ай бұрын

@@LucasKirbyMusic ignorant of what? I’ve read Rough Stone Rolling. I’ve probably read more church history than you. The essays are for the common folk. I prefer peer-reviewed sources. The Book of Mormon DNA essay was sent to non-LDS geneticists for feedback and then revised. That’s why it’s so high quality and interesting.

@StephenSmith-qc3xx 3 ай бұрын

One question sir... why ?

@LucasKirbyMusic 2 ай бұрын

Because some people have enough integrity towards themselves that they refuse to turn a blind eye to all of the lies, moving of the goal post, and constant messages to "pay no need to the man behind the curtain". If you have not read the essays, then you truly know nothing substantial of the history and foundation of the church.

@oxfordbuckingham5841 3 ай бұрын

I don't think you're a bishop any more, are you? What is really your agenda? What keys do you have to bring salvation to man and where, and from whom, did you get your keys? The REAL key to gaining an abiding testimony of Jesus Christ and the fulness of His gospel is the gift of the Holy Ghost given by the laying on of hands by one who has Melchizedek priesthood authority. That is why the Savior told Joseph Smith that “they [the religious creeds] draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.” (Joseph Smith-History 1:19) The power is the gift of the Holy Ghost. Without it, men become confused; they "teach the commandments of men, having a form of godliness" only. It is only through the gift of the Holy Ghost and living worthy of it that we avoid deception, especially in these last days where Lucifer and his followers have been loosed upon the earth to deceive and make captive.

@markp3722 3 ай бұрын

LOL. The church itself put this information out. You really need take a class in critical thinking. Mormons are ridiculously gullible people.

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

So, how do you feel about Joseph Smith plural marrying the wives of 11 other living men?

@LucasKirbyMusic 2 ай бұрын

Read the essays. What's stopping you? Laziness? Fear? Cognitive dissonance? Feelings cannot be the measurement of truth. Otherwise everyone and every church that ever existed would be true. Wake up. It's okay to find out that you've been lied to. Red pill or blue pill?

@gilbertmiraflor3591 2 ай бұрын

@hal8683 3 ай бұрын

That is so well said!! Perfect--OOO! Learn and resign as can!!

@m.michellel.newbold9036 3 ай бұрын

"Even the elect shall be decieved. " It's sad to see this very thing happening right here with YOU.

@pv3627 3 ай бұрын

Unoriginal

@botofogo2212 3 ай бұрын

Everyone who was ever baptized was deceived. The Mormon church lies incessantly. What does it say in the Book of Mormon, "Woe unto the liar for he shall be thrust down to hell"?

@eclipse-sh1qmZ3mOtcua 3 ай бұрын

Did you actually watch the video? And have you read the Church Essay on "plural marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo” ?

@yeshalloween 3 ай бұрын

Maybe it’s YOU!

@LucasKirbyMusic 2 ай бұрын

Read the essays. The church wrote them. To not read them is just another example of how afraid people are to find out the truth. What's holding you back? You truly cannot say that you know the actual history of the church. You're okay with that?

@TheJimspong 3 ай бұрын

Well all I can say is I love the Book of Mormon and the gospel brings me closer to my saviour. I feel it’s a God send to have such beautiful caring people that love their neighbour regardless of their religion.you should take a leaf out of there book and stop running people down

@ryansmith6610 3 ай бұрын

Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor” (D&C 88:81).

@gilbertmiraflor3591 2 ай бұрын

@uthinkiamhot 3 ай бұрын

Yes! The information the gospel topic essays was anti-mormon information not very long ago. Who knew that South Park was more honest than Gordon and Tommy.

@gilbertmiraflor3591 2 ай бұрын

@tucuxi70 3 ай бұрын

The essays are put together by church historians who make mistakes and include errors. Lee Baker does not tell you that.

@rickyricky4738 3 ай бұрын

Are these essays still available for the public?

@howieroarke 3 ай бұрын

Doesn’t negate that they are First Presidency approved.

@chrishumphries7489 3 ай бұрын

@@rickyricky4738Yes, just search them.

@yeshalloween 3 ай бұрын

Get a grip! What does it TAKE??

@nathannelson1077 3 ай бұрын

Yes. Still available. They are hard to find within the app. I recommend Google searching "Gospel Topics Essays" and finding them that way. Otherwise they are buried deep among the hundreds of topics on the app. @@rickyricky4738

@briandavis6898 3 ай бұрын

Since Joseph Smith didn't have any children of these wives, i would say they were eternal sealings and not tempotal marriage.

@tucuxi70 3 ай бұрын

Yes, sealings and not marriages. They referred to them as adoption sealings. In 1894 Wilford Woodruff spoke about these types of sealings and then changed the focus to being marriages and family. So Joseph was never married to anyone except Emma.

@brucegillingham2793 3 ай бұрын

@@tucuxi70 Emma wrote about Joseph Smith Banging Fannie Alger out in the barn! Wake up !! The whole LDS religion is one big lie.

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

And I will say that you have not studied jack-squat about the subject. Here are statements of women for which evidence shows that they had sex with Joseph Smith: Emily Partridge: When under oath in a deposition in the Temple Lot case, Emily Partridge was asked, “Do you make the declaration that you ever slept with him in the same bed?” to which she answered, “Yes sir.” Lucy Walker: Lucy Walker’s niece, Theodocia Frances Walker Davis, reported to Joseph Smith III in 1876, “Lucy Walker told her that she lived with Joseph Smith as a wife.” Malissa Lott: In an 1893 interview, RLDS Church President Joseph Smith III asked Malissa Lott if she was the Prophet’s “wife in very deed,” to which she answered, “Yes.” Eliza Partridge: Concerning Emily’s sister Eliza, Benjamin F. Johnson wrote in 1903: “The first plural wife brought to my house with whom the Prophet stayed, was Eliza Partridge.” Louisa Beaman: When Joseph Bates Noble, Louisa’s brother-in-law, was asked: “Where did they [Joseph Smith and plural wife Louisa Beaman] sleep together?” He responded: “Right straight across the river at my house they slept together.” Almera Johnson: Benjamin Johnson affirmed his sister Almera Johnson experienced sexual relations with the Prophet: “He [Joseph Smith] was at my house … where he occupied my sister Almera’s room and bed.” Maria Lawrence: On May 23, 1844, William Law, who had apostatized months earlier over plural marriage, charged Joseph Smith in a Carthage court with living “in an open state of adultery” with Maria Lawrence. Sarah Lawrence: Several statements document that Sarah Lawrence lived with the Prophet as a plural wife. For example, Lucy Walker attested in 1902: “I know that [Emma] gave her consent to the marriage of at least four women [Emily and Eliza Partridge and Maria and Sarah Lawrence] to her husband as plural wives, and she was well aware that he associated and cohabited with them as wives.” Fanny Alger: Several accounts record that Emma Smith witnessed Joseph Smith and Fanny Alger together (but not what they were doing together). One source asserts that Fanny became pregnant. Mary Heron: A single document implies sexuality between Joseph Smith and Mary Heron Snyder.

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

@@tucuxi70 "Joseph was never married to anyone except Emma." You are 100% wrong. I suggest you read Todd Compton's book "In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith."

@briandavis6898 3 ай бұрын

@@randyjordan5521 I already covered this. The testimony of the temple lot are highly suspect because they were trying to prove that they had since kind of inheritance from Smith. But none of the alleged children passed DNA s

@joycegrover1146 3 ай бұрын

Spiritual wifery particatants when unauthorized were cut off from the Church! And why was that? Because they felt they were at liberty to do so without the authoritization needed.! Bennet was a good example of this! If Joseph felt this practice ok why excommunicate someone for doing it! This goes so much deeper than your understanding! Hurray for cutting off these proponents of spiritual wifery as stated in his journal!

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

When Joseph instituted polygamy, it was called by several terms names of "plural marriage," "spiritual marriage," "spiritual wifery," or "celestial marriage." All of those terms meant the same thing. Joseph Smith did not excommunicate John C. Bennett because of Bennett's immorality, but because Bennett had exposed Smith's proposition of plural marriage to Sidney Rigdon's daughter. In other words, Smith got rid of Bennett to cover up his own polygamy practice. Mormon apologists concocted the false assertion that Bennett was practicing an unauthorized version called "spiritual wifery." In actual fact, there was no difference between what Smith and Bennett were doing: having sex with women to whom they were not legally married.

@chaddvanzanten5434 2 ай бұрын

"Your eyes are beginning to open already."

@jeannettezinai3213 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for coming out telling the truth!

@GeorgeDemetz 3 ай бұрын

The church essays are generally pretty good, but the essay of race and the priesthood is not worth a crap! It is false as hell and deceitful as hell, was rushed through, and hurriedly produced out of fear that if it were examined.irethzt it would not be approved, and I have that from a reliable source!!! The priesthood ban was true doctrine,! .It was based in scripture from the books of Abraham and Moses, it was also proclaimed as doctrine and explained by a first presidency of the church, hit was affirmed as true by many prophets snd apostles including Joseph Smith who made this statement: "The curse is not yet taken off the sons of Canaan,neither will it be until it is affected by as great a power as caused it to come..*!!!!!!!

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

LOL. So you still support racist ideology, even though the church has completely disavowed it. FYI, the "curse of Cain" idea was not original with Joseph Smith. It had been propagated by other Protestant theologians for a couple of hundred years. The idea was used to justify enslavement of black Africans. The Book of Moses and The Book of Abraham are both fraudulent works written by Joseph Smith. They reflect the false, racist dogma of his day. So the racist dogma in those books are the product of the mind of Joseph Smith, not any ancient prophets.

@gilbertmiraflor3591 2 ай бұрын

@krysaliyah 2 ай бұрын

For starters, I am disappointed that since you know so much about the church and what the prophet and the quorum of the 12,are saying today, that you are clearly choosing not to speak the most basic request of the above named in that you are referring to the Church as “The Mormon Church”. Get with the program “Bishop”. Just saying!!!

@LucasKirbyMusic 2 ай бұрын

Are your serious? Gordon B. Hinkley spoke on this and thought "the Mormons" was the most endearing nickname they could be called. The church has old commercials from when I was a kid called "Meet the Mormons". You're going to stand on that hill? It's clear that you don't see it, but it's unbelievably petty to write someone's opinion off because they refer to the church as he did. This guy is older. He's always known and referenced himself as a Mormon or a member of the Mormon church. Old habits die hard. You can blame the church for allowing it, using it, and encouraging the term since the 1800's.

@bishopleebaker7003 2 ай бұрын

What would be the point in showing respect to an organization built on lies?

@gilbertmiraflor3591 2 ай бұрын

@@bishopleebaker7003 Who lied? The church never admitted that Joseph Smith "married" these women that were married to other men, I must overlook this. Why not tell these people that it was "Sealing"??? And it was never polyandry Bishop it was polygamy by sealing. You said 40 wives? and yet no children at all from any of these women? You can lie all you want but at least be fair! Polygamy is far more glorious than adultery after all. It was discontinued in 1890, ., by "revelation" And you said explicitly that the church admitted that Joseph had actual sexual relations with these women? I read the essay. Never near to what you were saying You are lying to God and your audience/followers.

@briandavis6898 3 ай бұрын

I really wonder what made you so bitter.

@rickyricky4738 3 ай бұрын

I wonder what made you so blind.

@yeshalloween 3 ай бұрын

Being lied to for decades.

@briandavis6898 3 ай бұрын

@@yeshalloween oh please. He was a bishop and didn't know the basics of Mormon history or any of the tired anti-Mormon talking points spewed over the years? He never heard of the God Makers? Maybe he was really sheltered but I didn't buy it

@sheliabryant3997 3 ай бұрын

@briand. LIES, DELIBERATE DECEP- TION, finagled doctrine and manipulation, scamcraft put forward as priestcraft .... These are some of the practices characteristic of momo. It makes most REASONABLE, SINCERE-HEARTED people quite bitter. And it SHOULD make us mad as hell.

@rancierae 3 ай бұрын

I took years to overcome the pain and disappointment of being deceived by a church I loved

@hanichay1163 3 ай бұрын

No Mormons I know have read the essays! We are supposed to love God with all our minds.

@tucuxi70 3 ай бұрын

I have and they have errors!

@bishopleebaker7003 2 ай бұрын

I know just how you feel… It rips my heart out to think that I lead my family to this church and that my daughters still have not seen the total of this video… Absolutely embarrassing and it reflects directly on their integrity, and lack of concern for their own children, who must at some point, deal with these LIES!!

@1god-126 3 ай бұрын

7 1/2 minutes then in the video hasn't even started yet

@amybaker1880 3 ай бұрын

19:17 The church is lying. Joseph wasn't a polygamist.

@tucuxi70 3 ай бұрын

Historians got it wrong. Joseph was NOT a polygamist.

@brucegillingham2793 3 ай бұрын

What evidence do you have that the church is lying? If the church is lying how can you know anything else it says is the truth?

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

Yes he was. You are just ignorant of the facts, and you have been deceived by people who have an agenda.

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

@@tucuxi70 Yes he was. You are just ignorant of the facts, and you have been deceived by people who have an agenda.

@amybaker1880 3 ай бұрын

@@randyjordan5521 No, only people who believe the bearers of false testimony are fooled into thinking he was a polygamist. What agenda did Joseph have??

@pearl12349 3 ай бұрын

The doctrine is true. If Joseph Smith broke divine laws, the Lord will take care of that. It's not for us to judge. Just follow the Jesus Christ example....

@markp3722 3 ай бұрын

Damn you people are gullible.

@darlenelane9010 3 ай бұрын

The seventh commandment, “Do not commit adultery". How is JS going to escape that one? He is not.

@gilbertmiraflor3591 2 ай бұрын

@timwrightfamily740 3 ай бұрын

Well, you’re not off to a good start since the church has been asking you not to call us Mormons for over eight years now :-)

@LucasKirbyMusic 2 ай бұрын

I was raised as Mormon. I watched all the Meet the Mormons commercials that the church released. I watched all the talks of all the prophets talking about and referring to themselves as "the Mormons" If that's the hill you want to die on, then I feel bad for you that you can't even bring yourself to read the essays that the church released themselves. You literally don't know the history of the church. So how can you even have a true testimony of it if you don't know the most important aspects of its foundation?

@mattmassey5762 2 ай бұрын

Now there are only 11. They are still lying

@forzion1894 3 ай бұрын

First, the gospel topics essays are absolutely not official Church statements. They are efforts by Church history bureaucrats with very low level oversight by very low level non-historian general authorities who mainly just rubber stamped what the bureaucrats told them. I assume the First Presidency approved the general concept of putting out the essays, but your claim that the essays were each reviewed and individually approved by the First Presidency as official Church doctrine is dead wrong. This shown by the fact that many of the essays have been revised, and they are always under review for further revision. Second, in discussing the translation essay you seem to imply that you could still believe that Joseph translated the Book of Mormon from the plates with the Nephite interpreters. This essay is the one in greatest need of revision. The Gospel topics essay on this subject represents a minority view of a few out-of-touch pseudo-scholars. Most Church members still believe that Joseph told the truth about the translation. We would welcome you to join us if you are really sincere in what you said. Third, if not, and if you have resigned from the Church or were excommunicated, your no longer hold the priesthood office of bishop, and it is very misleading of you to use the title in your KZbin name.

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

Sorry, but if material is published on the church's official website, it is official church statements. If church leaders didn't approve of the essays, they wouldn't have allowed them to be published. I can assure you that the church leaders, along with church lawyers, read and approved every word. As for your remark about the BOM translation process, every single eyewitness participant (six or seven people) during the production stated that Joseph did it with the "seer stone in the hat" method.

@LucasKirbyMusic 2 ай бұрын

😂 Why the hell would the church include them on their official website to be accessed by the masses? You've been lied to, and you refuse to read actual essays that the authorities have spoken of and authorized. You literally have a testimony of a church that you have no idea of its history or foundation. How does that make you feel?

@gilbertmiraflor3591 2 ай бұрын

@@randyjordan5521 @bishopleebakerI may be slow here but the church never admitted that Joseph Smith "married" these women that were married to other men, I must overlook this. Why not tell these people that it was "Sealing"??? And it was never polyandry Bishop it was polygamy by sealing. You said 40 wives? and yet no children at all from any of these women? You can lie all you want but at least be fair! Polygamy is far more glorious than adultery after all. It was discontinued in 1890, ., by "revelation" And you said explicitly that the church admitted that Joseph had actual sexual relations with these women? I read the essay. Never near to what you were sayingYou are lying to God and your audience/followers.

@crisantocabrerajr.3508 3 ай бұрын

Repent while you still can. The scripture warns those who turn against the Lord and its church and kingdom. It would have been better that you have not known Him...

@VAATAUSILI4139 3 ай бұрын

Mr. Baker left THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, refused to repent, personal sins, & (can't) leave the CHURCH alone.

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

Spoken like a typical cultist.

@VAATAUSILI4139 3 ай бұрын

@@randyjordan5521 Be more specific, what are you referring to, See,THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS, is, the only, true Church.

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

@@VAATAUSILI4139 You are a completely deluded religious fanatic. Nothing about Mormonism is true. There was no "first vision," no angel Moroni, no golden plates, and no visits from John the Baptist or Peter, James, and John. JOSEPH SMITH MADE THE WHOLE THING UP. If you want to know how and why Joseph Smith made up his religion, go to a website titled Mormonthink.

@gilbertmiraflor3591 2 ай бұрын

@nashmcintosh2578 3 ай бұрын

And Anti who has the title BISHOP in his KZbin name. That is sickening. Lee Baker. If you have a shred of decency, remove Bishop from your KZbin name.

@brucegillingham2793 3 ай бұрын

Why he is the most honest Mormon Bishop I have ever come across.

@markp3722 3 ай бұрын

LMAO. You people are ridiculous.

@joycegrover1146 3 ай бұрын

The Bishop and Stake President apparently didn’t know too much about the subject! You didn’t finish that footnote indicating no evidence that that is the way it happened in case of Joseph! What’s the problem with a hat if it worked! Had to find some way to keep the light from keeping it from showing the words! Just try it with your own phone. Outside I’d surely wish I had Joseph’s Hat! Bishop, Bishop, he didn’t write it down your saying! You didn’t read he didn’t tell anyone about it! Told his father next day! His family knew, a local preacher knew! All in the history! Also research definitely shows not everyone feels Emma’s telling of stone in hat was credible! Even something about her own son not substantiating that that is what she said! Hope not too many take your slant on things as absolute truth as your missing many points! Last of all and this particularly frustrates me-- If one has a special personal , spiritual experience from the other side, don’t we sometime feel to use some caution in who we tell what about it! I myself would gauge what I said about it depending on the situation of the telling of it ! Would everyone get the same complete telling! No of course not in my world! I have people of varying degrees of outlooks and beliefs and knowledge of life! His first telling of it outside of the family , as even told by his mother, to local preacher did not go well! And you’re angry that you can’t find just one complete telling instead of various telling! Hummmmm! Somebody not putting a lot of thought into this query!!

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

"What’s the problem with a hat if it worked! Had to find some way to keep the light from keeping it from showing the words!" LOL. Honey, you don't have a clue, do ya. The issue is that for 5-6 years during the 1820s, Joseph Smith defrauded people by pretending to supernaturally "see" buried treasure by putting a stone in his hat, placing his face over the hat, and pretending that he could "see" where the buried treasure was on the magic stone. Joseph was arrested and convicted for working that fraud on March 20, 1826, and he admitted that his practice was all a fraud. Just two years later, he was pretending to translate the alleged golden plates via the same "seer stone in the hat business" which he had previously admitted was a fraud. As Joseph's father in law, Isaac Hale, noted: "I went to the house where Joseph Smith Jr., lived, and where he and Harris were engaged in their translation of the Book...The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret, was the same as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, and his hat over his face, while the Book of Plates were at the same time hid in the woods!" So the whole "translating the golden plates" story was all bogus. That is why, 194 years after the Book of Mormon was published, there has not been a single item of evidence discovered to prove that the people as described in the BOM lived anywhere in the Americas at any time. THE BOOK IS A FRAUD.

@adamwineera 3 ай бұрын

These essays are not of god…

@cherylblancaster2373 3 ай бұрын

You can leave the Church, but you can’t leave it alone.

@lissaanderson3975 3 ай бұрын

Thank God 🙌🏻 Wouldn’t you rather know the truth?

@othersheep5491 3 ай бұрын

That statement is tired, and kinna lazy.

@botofogo2212 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, leave the church alone. It has never lied, deceived, cheated etc. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

@pv3627 3 ай бұрын

Unoriginal, overused, thought stopping phrase.

@kerstinklenovsky239 3 ай бұрын

If you leave the church because you have seen through the deception, you MUST not leave it alone. That would be criminal negligence.

@shirleegraff-allen8787 3 ай бұрын

How can anyone judge 1830 people with 2024 eyes? Were you there? Did you live in their minds and their bodies? This is why we follow living prophets. Each prophet testifies to issues of his era. Follow living prophets NOT dead prophets. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has the right to evolve like everything/everyone else. Take Bishop off the beginning of your name, you're not a bishop anymore and you're twisting doctrine to appease a world looking to bash and belittle. Unless you were personally living in 1830 then get off your high horse. Your voice makes me feel confused and my gut is feeling sick. NO THANK YOU Mr. Baker!

@bishopleebaker7003 3 ай бұрын

So... given your thoughts on the presentation here... are you saying that if you did not live during the time of Jesus or George Washington then you can not come to know the issues of that era?

@randyjordan5521 3 ай бұрын

Just about everything Joseph Smith ever said or did was recorded. Dozens of books have been published on his life and activities. We know as much about Joseph Smith as we do pretty much any other American of his time. Your comment actually demonstrates the thrust of Lee Baker's presentation: Most believing Mormons are not taught, nor do they bother to read on their own, the true facts of Joseph Smith's life and the origins of the church. All that most Mormons know about it is the small number of "faith-promoting" stories that are repeated in Sunday School lessons over and over. If you want to know the true facts about your own religion, I suggest that you get thee hench to a public library and read some books about Mormonism that aren't published by the church. Because the church sure as hell ain't gonna tell you the truth.