13 Reasons Recording on a PC is a BAD IDEA!

[@motelghost477]

Brand loyalty is for people who work for a company NOT for customers. Be loyal to yourself and buy the shit that works for you.

[@felderup]

i think brand loyalty for employees is not such a common idea. once you know what parts of the pig goes in the sausages you make, you'd rather buy from someone else.

[@TheTimeProphet]

I agree, but PCs work for me.

[@CorwinRussell]

lol glenn your recordings suc d

[@FreddieHg37]

NOt even that! *No one* should be "loyal" to a huge corporate company, not even if you are an employee. Why? It's stupid and you should support the best option, wether it's the cheapest, the most convenient, the most efficient, the most advanced or the most ethical one. You shoudl always compare you options to promote not only a better user/customer experience but a better company competition and industry development, while creating a more competitive pricing, quality and service experience.

[@werewolfmedialv]

@@TheTimeProphet been running reaper on pc for about 10 years and can think of one time it hard crashed on me out of 1000's of hours.

[@jjrockjaw]

I run reaper on a $300 solid state drive PC. Set it up 4 years ago. Disabled all internet connectivity. Haven't updated Windows once. Never crashed

[@aatreybhatt1999]

you can use winaero tweaker or something like that to disable windows updates, if that is the sole reason you disconnected that machine from the internet check those out

[@MyNameIsBucket]

Windows is just too difficult for some people. They think they need an i7 and 16GB of RAM just to boot it up.

[@johnsobota6234]

Reaper works great on Linux, too -- what a great DAW

[@appleleptiker]

@@MyNameIsBucket If Microsoft continues to ramp up the requirements just so that they sell more Hardware... at some point that will be the case. Is what I would say when your point would've made sense. People don't think they need the best Hardware to run Windows. They know they need decent Hardware to run Windows smoothly. They just don't wanna take 5 minutes to learn anything about Windows at all.

[@CraigKeidel]

I've run Reaper on multiple absolute potatoes, and run ProTools on two top-line Apples. Guess which one crashed way more? 🫡

[@MarekBino]

my advice to users, irrelevant of OS, don't install crap bloatware, don't browse questionable websites and don't mess with system which works, when you don't understand what you're doing - that approach avoids 99% of issues with all computers.

[@fajaradi1223]

Good advice, but I think it'll only prevent about 60% of your future problems.

[@StonerSquirrel]

Except the problems are the half assed DRIVERS to begin with. Companies never bother polishing their shit.

[@Pulsar2000]

But there is a little problem: Windows comes with already preinstalled crap ware (intergrated ads). And it will get worse in the future (Recall).

[@Leynad778]

The times seem over that "browsing questionable websites" can install viruses like in the past with Windows, but Windows is crap even if it's clean. I've fresh-installed Windows 11 alone already 4 times and 2 times was on Windows alone. With Windows I can't use my audio-interface with Explorer and DAW together, but no problem with my Mac and didn't even install a driver despite 4 channels. With Windows I need to install the Roland driver plus asio-driver to get access to the ports, which than I can't use in Windows itself. It's ridiculous. And I have a "Silent"-PC with all BeQuiet inside, but it's still a hurricane compare to my Mac Studio. Certainly not possible to record the stuff I'm playing without having the many fans on the track. But he's wrong with iCloud and my 400 GB MEGA-cloud for 60 bucks a year works just like every folder on my Mac, PC or with whatever device the folder is synced with.

[@DMSProduktions]

Net usage is a BIGGEST wrecker of Windows! All of my Windoze boots do NOT go anywhere NEAR the 'Net! NEVER have a problem! (Or had, been doing it that way for years! Triple boot, with different s/w configs = LESS bloat!)

[@Turdswamp1]

Wait I'm a little thrown off why is one of your points that you're throwing about Apple is iMessage when that literally has nothing to do with recording PC.

[@jjose100ify]

I message seriously helps me keep tabs on mix notes from clients and also texting full quality audio files if needed

[@SlaserX]

And who is sending texts in 2024? Boomer alert.

[@nejiross]

​@@SlaserX It would be the opposite. Boomers did calling. Everyone I know does messaging now unless we talk about the select few times of video calling. Jaja. Hell yeah.

[@brianknight8195]

@@Turdswamp1 I print an mp3 or a wav of a proof recording or a new mix and can send it to the client in seconds and get new notes or approvals, I can leave iMessage, music, and daw all up at once with minimal ram and daw running full sessions with 2-132 tracks of audio, midi, samples and loops or mastering session, without a hiccup on an m1 mini and an old MOTU 828mk3, I can create an aggregate device with many interfaces since mid 2000’s when I used protools. Macs are far ahead of windows pc’s and other systems are not bad but, most people don’t use them. Pros use Mac’s. I work with A listers to a listers and Mac’s are what gets used by all of them because they spend more time creating and less time tweaking and needing out on system and hardware problems. That’s the real deal. Lotta people have moved past protools too.

[@philipprzezp-h7711]

It's not that we're loyal to Microsoft, it's that we just don't like Apple.

[@kidthorazine]

Yeah TBH, I'd much rather use Linux, but the software just isn't there, at least not for what I'm doing.

[@Emily_M81]

@@kidthorazine This is the rub for me, too. Too much software I enjoy using just doesn't work on Linux and no I can't use another that's "just as good" (when it isn't).

[@alexeypolevoybass]

@@Emily_M81 can you elaborate on that? Every time I hear someone complaining about “Linux software isn't there yet,” it always comes down to “I can't run my pirated shit on Linux.”

[@Emily_M81]

@@alexeypolevoybass In most cases I've read about, plugins that require an installer program from the dev company is a no-go. Like Arturia or Native Instruments. iLok I THINK has been figured out how to work out, though. it used to be on the naughty list, too

[@williambrewer3150]

@@alexeypolevoybass I mean... Many plugins that I own just don't work on Linux. Doesn't matter if it's pirated, if I can't open my current projects without completely rebuilding the mix, then I can't ever switch.

[@MyToasterIsMoist]

Was a Mac guy for 14 years - did audio/CPU intensive video editing with new iMacs, MacBooks, and MacBook Pro’s, and I still enjoy the convenience of using a Mac…however with that said I have had literally the exact opposite experience as you lmao. Every single one of my Apple products inevitably slowed down and died completely, and if that didn’t happen I was absolutely plagued with crashing, freezing, and the dreaded beach ball. -switched to PC almost 2 years ago and have not had a SINGLE issue. And if something weren’t working properly, I could always change out/upgrade specific parts of my PC; sadly you can’t do that with Mac. Shit’s soldered in. Not to mention the fact that 75% of the entire Steam library can’t be played on Mac. Swapping to PC meant I could not only customize my entire computer, but I could play every single god damn game I could get my pasty little hands on.

[@JoshTolbertUrbana]

Yeap. If you stay up-to-date with OS updates for your Apple hardware, you'll run into the same bloat/slowdown problem once you get a few generations back. Oh, and of course Apple burns down their platforms for support a lot faster than Microsoft does.

[@BeatsAndMeats]

I guess it depends on if you want to get good at audio or if you want to get good at video games. Apple Silicon is where its at for audio, despite Apple's many, MANY flaws.

[@MyToasterIsMoist]

@@BeatsAndMeats I mean not really, a DAW is a DAW regardless of whether or not it’s PC or Mac. Your choice of OS doesn’t somehow negate or buff your audio engineering experience - it’s just about preference.

[@BeatsAndMeats]

@@MyToasterIsMoist Man I wish I could’ve stayed on Windows, but as programs and plugins and interfaces were getting updated, my PC just kept getting all kinds of weird crashes. We tried troubleshooting everything and couldn’t keep it stable. I thought my X32 was crapping out. I got my M1 MBP and haven’t had one single issue… lucky me!

[@brianknight8195]

Not buying this bs story.

[@clutch1141]

I can smell the starbucks on your breath through my superior PC.

[@sirspongadoodle]

gold

[@foundingfarther]

You made me spit my walmart Columbian on my phone 😂

[@agnawkneemoose6373]

You can buy a PC from Dell, Lenovo, HP, Asus, Acer, etc. You can buy a Mac from Apple and only Apple. They're insular and proprietary. Things work together well because it's all coming out of the same company, but the moment you try to use it with anything outside the Apple bubble, best of luck. I'm not willing to tie myself to a company that works that way.

[@NabPunk]

Absolutely, we cannot give these giants more power, as much as we dislike Windows, or Microsoft, they are not constantly gatekeeping their OS and platforms.

[@Emily_M81]

@@NabPunk my favorite part is when Apple just removes some feature, software and/or hardware. Something you liked, poof, just gone because Apple decided to.

[@mrGood-84]

I've got like 20 non apple devices that are connected to my macbook m1 at the moment - don't see an issue.

[@AlejandroCaicedoPUJ]

​@@mrGood-84 Probably 20 dongles

[@mrGood-84]

@@AlejandroCaicedoPUJ No, 1 tb3 dock and one usb c dongle for iLok and similar keys. In any case - what’s your point? I can take my MacBook and use it anywhere and then dock it on a big screen if needed.

[@CT68]

so this video has been up for 10 days, so maybe I'm late to the party, but 4:22 yeah, my favorite story about that Apple and privacy was that Apple was bragging about about how much better their apps were for user's privacy than Google's, meanwhile as a result of their EU case, it was disclosed that Apple was demanding that Google give Apple the data that Google was collecting, and threatening to kick them off the apple store if they didn't.

[@fearmo1852]

Being in the IT industry listening to these discussions from consumers as if they are tech wizards is absolutely hilarious. I can see benefits and negatives of both. The truth of it, though, is out of all his arguments none of them are the real reason. For him, it all comes down to simplicity and ease of use. It's the OS he is focusing on which is a customized dumbed down UNIX, locking it down so consumers can't screw anything up. There are benefits to that but also puts you at the whim of whatever Apple wants you to have at the time. I really laughed when he started talking about thunderbolt. I also highly doubt anyone actually reads their EULAs. To think that Apple doesn't collect your personal information is also very funny.

[@harambo88]

yeah for newbys apple has some pros bc effin easy. windows has problems with drivers since xp. use linux, first its free, second it is superior but this superiority comes with complexity. JACK is not intuitiv but THE thing. so for fun, maybe apple, but if you do it professional and you need function and stability-linux

[@brianknight8195]

Baloney, I introduced a Unix programmer to the Mac system architecture during a session and he was blown away, he loved it. Not dumbed down. He was able to navigate and program immediately.

[@nicholasrella6904]

A Mac is the best $1200 computer that you can buy for $3000.

[@AG-mz7vm]

LOL

[@Cas_anova]

I bought my M1 Mac new for 1200$. But indeed, I could have bought it for 3000 if I really wanted to.

[@areallyboredguy5825]

I don't know why people think macs are expensive... they're really not any more expensive than window counterparts that are of similar level, and usually are actually cheaper. The ARM chip is quite something, and I am thinking of buying a mac mini dedicated to music, or Linux.

[@moronoke]

@@areallyboredguy5825 you are wrong man

[@Spladoinkal]

@@areallyboredguy5825 That was only the case for a very small time when their ARM cpus first came out. The biggest thing is battery life in their Macbooks which is meh. Who's creating music without plugging their computer in?

[@daviddwyer6824]

The only time my band spent money to record in a studio, running Mac and Protools, an update came through overnight and corrupted all of the drum tracks so we lost an entire day. So yeah ..

[@JustinLesamiz]

Come on. That didn't happen. SOMETHING may have happened, but it wasn't that. Pro Tools makes numerous backups of your sessions and updates do not alter audio files. That's not a thing. Somebody lied to you or you're mistaken. I say this as a PC guy.

[@scamculture]

⁠@@JustinLesamiz As an OS agnostic, most of the reasons people have are based on misinformation and limited experience. Windows users seem to think they have a higher level of technical understanding by default, but are often blinded by their limited use cases and the same attachment to interface they criticize in Mac users.

[@robflores5172]

@@scamculture I’ve been a life long PC user and can confirm that PCs come with endless troubleshooting. Never had a PC last for more than 4 years. When I was a teenager my dad randomly brought home a G4 iMac and that shit still boot and ran smooth as hell. It was just too old at the time for me to have a use for it.

[@miserycodebeats1722]

Such a bs lie. Someone updates or set regular updates hahahah

[@user-lh3uz1cp7y]

@@robflores5172 I'm typing this comment on a PC that has lasted 17 years with no plan on upgrading any time soon. The only way you haven't had a computer that lasted more than 4 years is if you're not maintaining it or just replacing the whole computer if one component fails which isn't necessary. A PC can last over 20 years if you take care of it while a modern mac lasts until the soldered in SSD containing the bios fails prematurely in the form of it shorting or the small amount of ram runs it out of write cycles.

[@arscek]

In short, if you use Apple software, use Apple hardware. For people that don't use iCloud, iMessage, airdrop, etc, there's no difference but the inflated prices. Don't want blue screens? Then don't buy cheap components and let a pro build it, I record and mix in Windows for hours long and never had a single BSOD in 2 years. it works with Thunderbolt too. Aggregate devices aren't that important, especially for home recording studios, where 99% of the time, there's only 1 interface running at a time

[@DJBuglip]

I've never had an audio related one in 20, and I wouldn't have a Mac if you gave it to me.

[@keithbenedict8764]

I feel like Glenn's impression of PCs is based on how PCs behaved 10 years ago. I'm a software developer and I use a Windows laptop for work. In the last 10 years, I haven't had any of the problems he's mentioned. My laptop is a couple years old at this point and not really showing any signs of aging. It's like you said: People who have these problems are people who buy garbage. Sure Mac prevents you from buying garbage, but it also prevents you from making incremental upgrades to your machine. Want that fancy new nVidia GPU? Sorry. You're out of luck.

[@areallyboredguy5825]

Did you not watch the video? The inflated prices literally do not exist.

[@areallyboredguy5825]

@@keithbenedict8764 I am a software developer and I have constant issues with my pc... to the point i was given a mac and things are just... so much easier little down time.

[@drunkbriankelley]

APPLE= 🗑

[@thegrimreaper7]

Holy shit, an entire video of a person talking about something they have absolutely no idea about.

[@johnlance3860]

Exactly. Why is he so susceptible to belief systems? 😂

[@KenTeel]

Well he was current to the PCs up to 2010. He's not familiar (or as he says fuR-miliar) with what's gone on with PCs in the last several years.

[@cijoraju]

Absolutely agree..he is stuck in the past..

[@JohannesNielsen]

Correct. He is forgetting about Ubuntu Studio

[@glynnp42]

@@KenTeel Several years? If your number is correct, and I believe you are right, it's almost 15 years!!!

[@eamonahern7495]

No wonder you're complaining about PCs if you were using an Acer laptop.

[@mwmatthews1]

😂😂😂 for real

[@trollstjerne]

comparing a $300 Acer with a $2000 mac.. lol

[@CobraFat2000]

To be fair - that Acer laptop isn't as bad as people paint it to be. Sure - stuff is attached to places using sticky-tape instead of glue and solder, but I could take it apart and upgrade several times without even consulting a disassembly video. And it works to this day just fine (after re-seating a wire here and swapping out some other components there). But I don't know - I never really had a laptop die on me - some work to this day even with janky soldering done to them. Was pretty surprised when Glenn started complaining about it way back when he got it and started having difficulties right away.

[@DMSProduktions]

HEY!

[@DMSProduktions]

@@CobraFat2000 I've had 2 Acers, (the 1 i am typing this reply on is the 2nd 1) & never had a problem with either! Old 1 is a 2011 Qcore AMD64, still works perfectly, this 1 is an Gen 8 I7 octo core, not 1 problem!

[@ChristopherOrth]

It doesn't matter what side a person chooses in this, it's an argument that is at least 15 years stale. Seriously. Move the hell on. If you can't get the job done with either... it's you.

[@droog62]

Soldered ram, soldered storage, the shittiest keyboard in the world, forgetting your appleid can brick your device, icloud and airdrop are raging security holes, Thunderbolt was designed by Intel and has been on pc's for years, the joke of macs trying to integrate to any business directory structure, the fact that in current versions of the os, becoming root is no longer really root, (as a FreeBSD admin, this drives me up a wall), and overall, you have to do things the Mac way, trying to integrate with anything else is so incredibly difficult, it's the most expensive walled garden ever. Just off the top of my head, and I learned to love computers through Macs, the first one I got to use was an original, in 1984.

[@swistedfilms]

Apple IIe in 1983. Peeking and poking in BASIC got some interesting results sometimes!

[@SMAAAASHTV]

Yep, grew up with Macs starting from Mac Plus, IIci, LC3, Power Computing PB240 (1997 Mac Clone), PowerMac 6500, which all came as hand me downs from my grandfather's workplace when they upgraded. As soon as I was old enough to get a job, I built my first PC and never looked back. What really upset me is when every laptop manufacturer followed apple in the adoption of the island chiclet keyboard. You can't get a laptop with a good keyboard anymore, that isn't some 20lb gaming beast with mechanical keyboard.

[@appleleptiker]

The Apple ID scenario is the same as it is with the Microsoft Account you now need for Windows. If OneCloud is a security hole... idk. Shitty keyboard... I guess everyone has their preferences. I don't like their keyboard, but I know people that love them. But everything being soldered is a future we have to expect. Microsoft and Apple want this to be the future at least.

[@droog62]

@@SMAAAASHTV Some Lenovo laptops have great keyboards with enough key travel and feedback, not sure about all of them, but I've always been a fan.

[@droog62]

@@appleleptiker I've never needed to use a microsoft account with windows, that would be a nightmare if I was imaging 2000 machines and had to generate individual logins for every one, no thanks. And any cloud based system is going to be inherently insecure, but something like Amazon S3 buckets with certificate authentication would make sure things don't get easily stolen.

[@RileyGGarrett]

basing your whole take on windows laptops on your experience with an Acer is insane 😭 "the VIP section of the tech world" yeah that doesn't sound like brand loyalty at all, you know you have to disclose when you're reading a sponsored ad on here now

[@user-lh3uz1cp7y]

Nothing says cult level Apple simp like basing everything on confirmation bias. The way they design macs to fail like the soldered in SSD containing the bios making it less reliable than an Acer means the amount of downtime he'll get will be at least ten fold of that of a PC that failed because of a software issue or a hardware issue that can be fixed in the field. My Dell Latitude D630 from 2007 will still be in use making recordings when all his macs have been replaced more than once because half their issues can't be repaired.

[@Del_987]

Own a Mac for music recording and the particular software dev I do, a PC for gaming and plex, and a linux box as a NAS. Sometimes I just need the machine out of the way of my workflow and other times I need granular control.

[@DDWyss]

After this, I expect the next SpecterSound video to be all about how after 20 years Glenn finally switched to Pro Tools.

[@SpectreSoundStudios]

lol

[@Emily_M81]

@@SpectreSoundStudios I'd laugh so hard at this video and would love to see the "Glenn in a business suit" character make a return LOL

[@Lewisdennis666]

Mate! This tickled me hard 🤣

[@MyNameIsBucket]

EXCUSE ME but clearly Adobe Audition is the way to go. It's all about the ECOSYSTEM.

[@exscape]

That video's 3 years old! kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3fac2ulh7ypjNk

[@RoderikvanReekum]

A Bass player that slept through his alarm? Impossible because he did not set an alarm in the first place!

[@RhiannonTyler]

His mom didn’t set it for him that day.

[@tytar1037]

Mom! Why don’t you wake me up mom!

[@RoderikvanReekum]

​@@tytar1037This!

[@pf100andahalf]

The bass player locked himself in the car and he had to wait for somebody to walk by and open the door for him.

[@Darker_Waters]

Alternatively, they wouldn't hear the alarm since they're all deaf. 👍

[@506thLittleberry]

This video was so full of hyperbole that I had to look at the date because I thought I had slept right through winter and it was april 1st already. Didn't Glenn make a video a few years back where he debunks all the "macs are better for audio" arguments? I could have sworn I've watched it. His mac hasn't crashed in 2 years... Is that good? I built my PC in 2015, upgraded in 2020. I've never had an issue with windows updates, drivers or anything else. Just set it up properly and it'll work just as reliably as any mac. Glenn, maybe the reason you had so many issues with your PCs is that you did dumb things like letting windows download whatever random driver it finds on the internet instead of just going to the manufacturer's website and downloading the latest driver for your device? I'm always seeing comments about how a mac will "just work" and PCs apparently won't and will get in the way of your work flow and it makes me wonder what people are actually doing with their PCs to make them not work. During all my 25+ years of using PCs, all I've ever had to do is turn it on and start working.

[@mwmatthews1]

This

[@dnc1769]

Exactly... Don't have the cash for a super powerful pc right away ? Get a solid one built and THEN later on, you can add more ram, more storage, etc... Try doing that with a Mac. Granted, all of Apple's products connect easily with one another but then you're FORCED to buy your laptop/phone/etc... all from them. In the Windows environment, you're free to use whatever the hell you want. Sadly, I think Glenn went a little too 'click bait-y' with this one.

[@mrburns366]

Most of his videos are full of hyperbole and hot takes.. This is just what he does.

[@valvenator]

The whole video stinks of paid ad.

[@brianknight8195]

PC guys are always making videos about how they’re better than Mac’s, mac guys are usually too busy getting work and paid.

I have been recording with windows for over 15 years and never had a problem.

[@ignacedhont9816]

I would send a note to the pope to report a miracle

[@HaynesEllis]

@@ignacedhont9816Jesus is coming back, windows is working

[@SilentNightBodomNight]

​@@ignacedhont9816lmao

[@simonbelmont0993]

@@ignacedhont9816 I guess sign me up for the same miracle? And countless thousands of other musicians?

[@x8jason8x]

@@ignacedhont9816 Some miracle, this is a repeated theme all over this video. At what point does it stop being a miracle, and it's most of you just refusing, or not being intelligent enough, to use something that isn't dummy proof?

[@wintyrqueen]

The thing with Xerox is that they developed a GUI, but saw absolutely no commercial value in it. Jobs didn’t create much of anything, but he was damn good at seeing potential where everyone else didn’t

[@strangelet4588]

To be fair, Glenn, a Mac would absolutely brick itself after a windows update. 🙃

[@whitex4652]

Since 10 years I have had not one hickup after a Win update. These problem have only people that have their Win machine "tuned" and "tweakes". Id10ts if you ask me.

[@imdurc]

​@@whitex4652 I have to agree. I used to use "audio tweaks" and when I stopped doing that, I have never had a single audio related issue. Once I stopped messing with windows, it worked perfectly.

[@dissident1337]

I've had a work Apple irreversibly brick itself after its own update within 6 months. I sent it back to my job and told them to keep it, and spent the rest of my time working out of Linux Mint Debian Edition.

[@areallyboredguy5825]

@@whitex4652 I’ve had an update from a printer brick my computer requiring a reinstall of windows. All because in order to update the printer had root access which is actually a core problem of windows compared to Linux or any unix based system.

[@Allious131]

I have never had this problem on windows nothing has ever crashed on me in a session tell us you people don't know nothing about pc's without telling us you know nothing about pc's

[@JoshTolbertUrbana]

Hello, I was a professional Mac admin for fifteen years, and my big takeaway from that time was knowing I would never use one for production work. :) It's great when Apple does stupid shit like puts out an update that changes your colorspace, redefines black as something not-black, ruins your font rendering, or prevents the kernel extension for your old piece of USB kit from loading...Or back in the days of OS X Server, releases an update that changes your MTA, and if you followed their migration procedures you would truncate all of your users' mailboxes. Or when they put out an update that has a known-broken update to PHP that breaks their shipped webmail. Good times. Why does your fan noise affect your recordings? Don't you have a separate room for that? Isn't that kinda one of the points of having a control room for a studio? To each their own. I'll stick with my PCs. I seem to have none of the hardware or software troubles you talk about being "commonplace" in the PC world, and I've been working with PCs longer than I've worked with Macs.

[@werewolfmedialv]

Don't confront apple folks with facts, they cant take them down to the apple store to have explained.

[@brianknight8195]

Think about the Chinese deal for manufacturers, 7 years and then they own it, fine. The only way out for Mac or anyone else is to reinvent and decommission systems and chips.

[@brianknight8195]

What’s killing me is he’s talking about stuff that I’ve been using for a decade or more maybe 3 decades, aggregate device, hello, yes, Mac’s run over pc’s.

[@Maplefoxx-vl2ew]

@@brianknight8195 obviously never heard of threadrippers.. macs are caveman machines now. in production studios going forward. we using Threadrippers.

[@MichaelSheaAudio]

A lot of complaints about Windows are old and don't really apply anymore, at least in my experience. Blue screens are rare, I haven't encountered a virus in almost a decade, I don't recall the last time I had an issue with my interface, Phone Link for Windows exists so you can send texts, take calls, grab photos off the phone, etc., the fans can be adjusted on my laptop with a switch on the keyboard, good Windows laptops are thin and light just like MacBooks these days, so on and so forth. On the Mac side, the issue is that you have to use Apple's software, and I don't like Apple's way of doing things. I think their software isn't very intuitive and it treats you like a child. It's their way or the highway, so I guess I'm taking the highway. You can get a new MacBook for $1000, but it's not a Mac you would want. 8gb of RAM and 128gb of storage? GTFO. They're going to charge you a huge markup for better specs, and there's nothing you can do about it because everything is soldered to the board so it's not user upgradeable. If you want to play games, you'll need a Windows or Linux machine, so you'll end up spending more money anyways if you have 2 computers. Windows has it's problems, but a Mac is not worth switching for. Also, a Mac is a Personal Computer as well, so can we just say Mac vs Windows? 😅

[@red_roy]

in my 4 years of using my current laptop ive only had 1 bluescreen, and that was because of a hard disk failure

[@appleleptiker]

Well... you mean aside from Microsofts Hardware Requirements, the fact that Recall is built in and will be re-enabled by Windows Update if you disable it and the fact that still nothing is done about Telemetry? And we both know that we maybe won't see a virus but people that aren't that smart when it comes to computers will have enough ways to destroy their Installation. I mean, my sisters Windows Installation beeps when it started and she sees the BSoD more than her own Wallpaper because she fried her Installation so much with Viruses. The only motivation is that Windows has a built-in Anti Virus that isn't half bad. Now, what I'm about to say is impossible with Apple Silicon Macs... but if we talk about Macs in general: They were always able to run Windows. Bought a used 2020 iMac 3 years ago as a Media Center. It runs Windows perfectly fine. It did until I installed Linux at least. So the argument that you have to use Apple's Software, is a modern issue of ARM. The rest of your point are probably right, idk didn't read them. Except for your point about a Mac also being a PC. Thank you for saying that. I've been wondering for years why people don't consider a Mac a PC, when it literally is a Personal Computer.

[@MichaelSheaAudio]

@@appleleptiker I don't have Recall installed on my laptop, I guess it didn't come with it. I have as much telemetry disabled as possible. It's still possible to get a virus but like use common sense I guess. Don't go to sketchy websites, don't download and open sketchy files, it's just not a thing I encounter myself. You can run Windows on a Mac, sure, but I don't want to. As much as I don't like their software, I don't like Apple's anti-right-to-repair hardware either. To get a MacBook air comparable to my current laptop, it would cost me $3000CAD +tax, 13% in Ontario. If I wanted to, I could buy a couple 2TB SSD's and put them in my laptop for less than what apple charges for a single 2TB SSD upgrade. Even two 4TB drives depending which brand you choose. It's all soldered on so you better choose your specs carefully. My laptop has some issues, ASUS' software is kinda buggy, and I'm hoping at least one issue will be resolved when I upgrade to the newest Studio One, my version is 4 years old and falling apart. Using a Windows machine isn't perfect but I'd still rather use it over Authoritarian Apple. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 😛

[@anubhavlangthasa4203]

Not to mention apple releasing a new OS every year making your software or worse, hardware obsolete in the blink of an eye. Backwards compatibility is a concept that Apple is not even aware of. Btw this coming from an Apple user. So yeah, there are pros n cons to both platforms. Moral of the story, things get outdated and obsolete waaaaayyyyyy quicker in the apple world.

[@nedim_guitar]

iOS vs Windows.

[@ubmastering]

Most of your points have to do with accessibility, productivity and convenience. Few have to do with actual audio recording. The only time MAC was ever a dominant player in the digital audio world was when they had the RISC processor. Other than that, it's down to preference. It's possible to run a pro level DAW on linux, windows and mac. The tech is so fast these days it really doesn't matter what you use.

[@calbrockocat8728]

I have $1300CAD reasons why I'm happy with my used $200CAD PC. Update can be manually controlled as well as maintenance, so your work doesn't get interrupted.

[@chocomalk]

You can control your updates on a Mac lol

[@DigitalMoonlight]

MacOS actually has more control over updates than Windows, no powershell or registry edits, you can just turn off auto update in the settings. There's plenty of valid critiques against Mac but the update policy isn't one of them

[@o.phillips2522]

I've been running my studio on PC's for eight years and never once had any of these wild stability or driver problems Glenn mentioned. Not saying that throwing together a home-built PC can't create some problems to troubleshoot, but investing in a powerful PC from a reputable builder has never yielded ANY stability problems, crashes, or downtime for me. I get that Mac's are highly convinient, but a good PC is FAR more stable than this video makes it out to be.

[@kidthorazine]

Macs defintiely have a better native audio stack, but man the price, specs and complete and utter lack of repairability and upgradablility make them a no-go for me. Honestly by the time I've bought a decent Mac rig I could buy a really nice interface for my PC that solves a lot of these problems.

[@areallyboredguy5825]

Areyou comparing them to comparable laptops though? or desktops?

[@kidthorazine]

@@areallyboredguy5825 Primarily desktops, upgradability and repairability on laptops is pretty bad across the board nowadays, but I'm not building a studio around a laptop, they don't have PCIe slots.

[@Emily_M81]

I upgraded my PC for $550 a year ago. It went from 16GB of okay RAM, modest motherboard, and a Ryzen 7 1800X to 64GB of top-tier RAM, a top-tier motherboard, and a Ryzen 9 7900X (Micro Center had a sale).

[@luisbonilla4500]

​@@Emily_M81 hard to do on a laptop tho.

[@Emily_M81]

@@luisbonilla4500 obviously

[@DeltaNineProductions]

Was this an advertisement?

[@valvenator]

Sure looked like it.

[@JustinLesamiz]

Either that or such ridiculous arrogance that blinded Glenn's ability to actually use his brain. It's weird how this guy oscillates between good, thoughtful advice, purely arrogant nonsense, and blatant ads. It seems like first category is becoming less and less common on this channel.

[@tommyfalconey]

Ads usually have links in bio. Sounds like an opinion m8

[@DeltaNineProductions]

@@tommyfalconey Ever heard of snark?

[@DeltaNineProductions]

@@JustinLesamiz Hard to argue with that assessment. I used to enjoy his recording tips/tricks/reminders. Not much of that these days. And the mix critiques are worthless.

[@ChiggyChiggyChiggy]

I'm amazed seeing the comments section not being Glenn's personal echo chamber. PC for life

[@JustinLesamiz]

Glenn is demonstrably wrong with a lot of these points. I don't care if you use Mac or PC, but don't lie about it or spread misinformation.

[@HR2635]

@@JustinLesamiz spot on

[@kingcarcas1349]

Apple will have to be sent in if anything breaks inside, PC you can fix it or buy another cheap laptop.

[@aleksamrkela831]

@@JustinLesamiz As if his incessant shilling of Harley Benton and Behringer wasn't bad enough...

Producer working for years with Win, if you have blue screens is because you’re messing with something, either cracked plugins with virus or just overloading your machine over it’s limits, if you want to use your PC for recording I highly reccomend to get a monster I7 or I9 if you can 64gb ram DDR4 5tb storage SSD 500Gb SSD only for Win If you’re like me that uses two or three monitors, get an RTX GeForce 3050 Windforce OC 6G and that’s it And an extra tip, leave that one just for recording purposes and get a regular laptop to use for daily, that way you’ll never gonna have any issues recording with Windows I hate Mac by the way, thank you ❤

[@nocheckmarkgames]

Moral of the story, a PC will work just fine if its what you have, don't worry about people telling you Macs are better at anything because at the end of the day it's personal Preference. If you can't get your head around something as simple as PC, what are you doing trying to record music? Go toil in a feild.

[@Lewisdennis666]

This!!

[@appleleptiker]

It's not only personal preference... It's also a Personal Computer. Yes. A PC running Windows is a: PC A Mac running macOS is a: PC They are all PERSONAL COMPUTERS. PC's

[@JustinLesamiz]

@@appleleptikerWhat's your point?

[@elobiretv]

​@@appleleptiker It's just a term that goes back the 80s with the IBM PC vs Mac stuff. It makes sense if you know the history and kind of ignore what the words mean.

[@Spladoinkal]

I bought a Macbook Pro in 2012 to do music production on and had 3 separate logic board replacements on the device. It NEVER worked correctly and things like USB ports burning out etc. Bought a Windows laptop with similar specs and never had an issue, in fact I STILL use the laptop like 12 years later just not for production since it's a bit underpowered now. I thought about giving a Macbook a chance again since the Apple Silicon has been so highly praised but finding out that some M1 Macbooks are having screen issues that involve a $700 repair has me changing my mind. I've never had a problem with Windows and music production so I feel I should stick with what has worked for me.

[@DaskaiserreichNet78]

I am not a fan of windows. I just cant stand Mac with its proprietary anti repair architecture. I am sticking with PC as I also have the Linux option more easily than on a Mac, which is more challenging. My Audio PC is offline. It used to be common practice to have a completely offline audio production station. It works for me, as the offline machine seemingly never crashes.

[@jennoscura2381]

I use Linux. Reaper runs on Linux. So we have a good DAW option. Just not as many VST options. And JACK audio can be a pain. I use a program that starts up JACK for me when I want to run Reaper. But it's annoying to have to run a separate program every time I want to use Reaper. But it's worth it for not having had to pay for an operating system since Windows XP.

[@DaskaiserreichNet78]

@@jennoscura2381 I really hope that Linux will become more user-friendly for purposes such as music production. I use Linux on my online laptop. But for music production I am still on Windows. I just haven't been able to get my USB audio equipment to function properly on Linux. I hope in the future this will become possible because I can see windows slowly working its way down the shithole, and I have no intention of ever using a mac.

[@joeMW284]

@@jennoscura2381 google "yabridge." Most Windows plugins will seamlessly run on Linux. It's pretty amazing.

[@DigitalMoonlight]

@@jennoscura2381 Pipewire has been slowly cleaning up the Linux audio landscape, it supports JACK now too so hopefully audio will be solved faster than Wayland attempting basic feature parity with X11

[@alexeypolevoybass]

@@jennoscura2381 there's Pipewire, why'd you even use JACK in 2024?

[@MannyDemaga]

I invested $1200 for an M1 macbook air with upgraded RAM (16gb) and it’s the best invesment I’ve made. My only complains are Logic being buggy sometimes and I’m a producer that works with a lot of virtual instruments simultaniously and that can eat up the memory quickly and give overload problems. It has an easy work around which is bouncing the instruments into an audio track and also adjusting the buffer size, but other than that, it’s an almost perfect machine.

[@garrickhanson]

It's kind of like saying how great it is that you don't need to decide which car to buy, because there is only one available. I would rather make my own choices, instead of having some "genius" try to tell me why it is better to not have a choice.

[@montyrayza7220]

TY TY TY - that was a brilliant answer and precisely what I've been feeling myself for years and I've said nearly the same thing many times myself - not to call myself brilliant. LOL -

[@freepadz6241]

@montyrayza7220, that was a brilliant concurrence.

[@appleleptiker]

And at which point will you realize that from the 3 options, 2 of them don't give a crap about you?

[@garrickhanson]

@@appleleptiker I don't expect companies to give a crap about anything other than my money. Apple just goes above and beyond most other companies in the quest to force people to buy their products... Which is why I won't buy them, no matter how shiny they look.

[@CraigKeidel]

Ahhh Apple, truly the Tesla of the computing world 😂

[@butteo]

You do know your "11 Reasons why Recording on a PC is better than MAC!" video from 2 years ago is still available on your channel right?

[@scamp7887]

He did a Mac one at that point too. He shows both sides of the argument usually

[@PeterCamberwick]

@@scamp7887 Yeah, but surely he can't agree with both sides of the argument. LOL

[@sirspongadoodle]

@@scamp7887 i suppose that sorta shows how there isnt really much of an argument for macs, as he mostly listed things that arent really related to pc and recording ability...

[@fernandomunoz2737]

@@sirspongadoodle Yeah I would have expected the same thing he does with the audio software/hardware. Comparison charts, models, approaches, analysis, method, results, conclusions. But, the video is more like Mac Propaganda.

[@jedidethfreak]

Music and video production are the only thing that anyone can legitimately claim a Mac is better for.

[@flyingstratosurfer6285]

That is what this video is about.

[@maxcasey5655]

How about battery life? I'll put my macbook up against your windows based laptop anytime.

[@jedidethfreak]

@@maxcasey5655 for 5x the price, the battery BETTER last an hour longer.

[@alexeypolevoybass]

But how about showing off? On a serious side, though, I'd say that they have great displays and great battery life.

[@jedidethfreak]

@@alexeypolevoybass neither of which make the pricetag worthwhile.

[@WavePotter]

There’s a reason people who work in the IT field use PC. No customization on Mac. But Mac just works…until your device is outdated and their new updates intentionally slow it down and nuke the battery life. Either way, being dogmatic about which is better is really dumb. I use both. They’re each better at different things.

[@DoubleAAmazin]

My goal is to recording everything in Audacity on Windows XP.

[@user-lh3uz1cp7y]

Windows XP was where I had no issues except wavepad slowing down the more I worked with an audio file and I had to install a pirated version of the program in a way that wouldn't put adware on my computer and block it from accessing the internet but I hate audacity with a passion.

[@DoubleAAmazin]

@user-lh3uz1cp7y audacity lol...jokes aside it's good for quick easy editing, def belongs in the hall of fame.

[@sole__doubt]

Glenns analogies are top notch. Just read the comments for proof.

[@_uncredited]

I had a mac once. Cost me 2 grand. The video card broke and they wanted 800 to fix it. I have never owned another apple product. I wish them nothing but ill will.

[@M4DR1U5]

Had the same issue when I went to college 2007-2008. the Nvidia MacBook Pro. It worked, then it suddenly didn't. Took it to the Mac store and they told me that it was the last day on warranty for it to be fixed for the faulty GPU issue that I was completely unaware was happening. Then the battery issue started... original one's battery expanded to the point that I thought it was going to catch fire/explode. Took it back and got a new one... same thing happened again. I loved that little computer and it's been my only laptop, but I reckon they don't make decent batteries for them anymore and the rubber cord for the powerblock won't help but split if you look at it the wrong way. Maybe they've done better since, but even at a grand now I'm still hesitant to try it out again.

[@DJBuglip]

Hear hear.

[@notsure1135]

2012 had amd GPU issues, died out of warranty. I paid $500AUD for the computer and it lasted 2 years so, that’s $5 a week give or take. I only buy them 2nd hand.

[@areallyboredguy5825]

I had several window pcs that had the same issues..

[@_uncredited]

​@@areallyboredguy5825 All machines have problems. Apple has overpriced problems.

[@zachmanzano]

As a cheap PC owner this has worked perfectly: - SSD Drive - Maximize your RAM capability - Installing 64x and VST3 plugins in that same folder (if you can get away from 32bit plugins) - Disabling unnecessary visuals like text shadows, window transparencies, etc. - Disabling Antivirus - Disabling unnecessary Startup programs (Task Manager) - Disabling all network connectivity

[@allendean9807]

Got an iMac in 2006, started recording in GarageBand, graduated to logic express, then Logic Pro. Never looked back. To have your plugins, hardware and updates just work immediately is worth everything. Let now do a 13 reasons why Pro tools is now just not worth using….. and Logic Pro IS!!

[@CyberChrist]

I think he already did a ProTools video...

[@werewolfmedialv]

Until they drop a sys update and half the plug companies scramble over the course of months to make their software compatible, but hey, who cares about losing access to tools that "just work" for month at a time.

[@miserycodebeats1722]

@@werewolfmedialvyou basically need to be willing to get a new computer every 5 years imo. Always worth it if you enjoy newer plug ins/ software. Did you know the reason most apps on mobile don’t support android because they know android users generally are cheap? Same as pc users vs Mac users.

[@ObeseChess]

I finally bit the bullet and bought an M2 Mac Mini for recording a few months ago - it has saved me countless hours of fucking around with drivers, data recovery, and god knows what else. My blood pressure is measurably lower and I get better takes and mixes. Win/win.

[@asanseil5553]

They're all doing the same job, to me. A computer, is a computer. I grew up using old Mac Classics, but these days it's all PC. Been using PC for decades, now have a beast, zero problems with audio or video.

[@joshuakarar3594]

I had a 2011 MacBook Pro that finally crapped out in 2022 that I used for recording with a Focusrite Saffire interface. It was a great setup. My takeaway is this: if you’re in the market and have a budget to buy a new machine, I implore you to consider a Mac. If you have a functioning PC, interface and DAW, go make some great music with it right now.

[@WickedFesterBand]

Only problem is free plug ins. Mac says NO! You can’t install them. I’m sure there is a work around but I helped my son in law with reaper on his Mac and he could only install approved plug ins.

[@peppepop]

I have a lot of free plugs on my Mac, but yes, Apple has tightened the security, so some won't work, unless you lower the security settings, which I did, and it works fine. But when you upgrade your OS they might not work anymore, exactly like on the PC.

[@BunkerAudioPanama]

As a 20 year hardcore high end Frankenstein builder for our studios, when M1 stepped up, did the change on M2 and will never look back!!! I can now work while someone else trouble shoots!

[@user-lh3uz1cp7y]

But ONLY someone else can troubleshoot as they hide the information and "Just buy a whole new computer" is the only option most of the time with zero options to repair it in the field and have it back up and running in minutes as you can do with a PC running whatever operating system you want. No other SSD is designed to literally burn while containing the system bios.

[@LovroSabljak]

I think you are wrong on most of this honestly.. I don't know when you used windows last time and on which machines, but I know a few pro audio engineers, most of them tried mac but got back to windows because it was the same and windows machines are much more flexible and less expensive (yes).. And about integration with your phone, have you tried using android and windows together?? It's 2024, samsung is literally collaborating with microsoft and most of those "mac features" are now stock in windows and android..

[@DominicGenn]

it's all a super outdated take, I do appreciate the passion but it's super old hat, I've worked as a tech for apple and many pro audio engineers would thoroughly disagree with most of the information here. The coolaid drinking is strong in this video.

[@ibanezlaney]

Oddly never had a problem with PC - Everything I bought 20 years ago still works. My mate who uses Macs has had to buy 3 interfaces over that same time period because Apple update the OS and render his hardware useless. End results of recording on either is the same.

[@Agoraphobia2day333]

All the points you used for Mac being better can all be applied and reconstructed for PCs side. Hell even old PCs vs new PCs would be the same argument.

[@morbidmanmusic]

You didn't watch then

[@Agoraphobia2day333]

@@morbidmanmusic No I did. It just seems like it's from an anecdotal view more so than a realistic one.

[@keithbenedict8764]

@@Agoraphobia2day333 An anecdotal and VERY outdated view. I have none of the PC problems he mentions. My laptop isn't even that new. It's from 2016.

[@PinoliCanoli]

Just gonna share my personal experience since I own a prebuilt tower from Asus ($1200) and a 2019 MacBook Pro ($2000). I used to run Pro Tools and FL Studio sessions on both while they both could run the either program rather smoothly, the MacBook’s 2 cooling fans would spin up louder than the 5 fans in the pc. I’ve also been having issues with my MacBook not syncing text messages and iCloud with my phone. On the flip side, Macs do offer more security over your private info, and some models like the Mac Mini are surprisingly inexpensive. Perhaps at some point in the future when I start getting clients I’ll switch back to Mac, who knows

[@soydavidvidal]

@@PinoliCanoli I think Glenn is talking about Apple Silicon Macs, the 2019 Macbook pros (specially core i9) were so so bad at heat management that they immediately thermal throttled so they became a really expensive Celeron pile of crap

[@alexeybobr4537]

Hi Glenn. A time ago you were talking about Reaper buffer issues on M1 Mac processor. I guess it was a Mac Studio. Was it resolved and how?

[@joevsjoes1799]

Had a Alienware/Dell laptop that throttled the usb.and caused pops. No matter how I changed the buffer size, changed the the usb settings or updated drivers the pops continued.

[@fernandomunoz2737]

Dell hell. Great specs, flawed design, high prices. Baaaaadddd.....

[@zwerko]

15:30 - Ah, the sweet irony of playing stock footage of a guy breaking a MacBook while telling a story about computer crashes...

[@FireSpeedFortnite]

as a windows users i will say: I've only had BSOD when dialing in an overclocking for my CPU. I have thunderbolt on both my laptop and desktop. windows updates have never caused issues for me(I speak for myself on this ofc). And my PC makes no noise unless I am gaming. The aggregate devices is def a plus for MAC and so is the more "seamless" transition from "desktop" to laptop but I use an external drive and transferring files is really quick. Just like with a lot of things, use what makes most sense to YOU, not what works best for someone else

[@zzkjbry]

To be fair Glen I never had any of the issues you listed with my pcs, set them up right. For multi interfaces ADAT works fine. Maybe I will get a mac to test out... Thanks Glen :)

[@montyrayza7220]

Macs s$ck- I only use them for surfing the net but I doubt there are any security advantages over PC these days anyways. PC far better.

[@Rushtallica]

@@montyrayza7220 I definitely recommend looking up Chris Titus channel and looking at his recent videos regarding co-pilot and recall (today and about 5 days ago). I'm a long time Windows user, but I'm moving audio production to a used Mac Mini M1 I got a while back and will be gaming and browsing mostly on a Linux distro on my PC's. Nothing is full proof, but Windows is heading a little too much toward a 1984 direction for my liking.

[@Materialgirllive]

Been using PC for pro recordings for 15 years. Never even thought of using MAC since my friends are always complaining about not being able to use programs/hardware every time they do an OS update.

[@CalanReichel]

Glenn, maybe you could toss a Noctua fan in the console? I doubt whatever fan is in there is sound optimized if it is that loud.

[@StoneXue]

His console has Noctua, except for the CPU cooler is a generic junker. That could be fixed pretty easily duno why Glen claims to have all this history building but cant figure out how to swap that CPU cooler.

[@gtc4692]

Or get a Mac and not have to add a specific fan or whatever.

[@MrMurUK]

I read somewhere that there is no clocking issues between cheap USB based interfaces because they use the clock from the USB anyway. So they can be aggregated via Asio4All safely. I think macs can use resampling to aggregate interfaces with different clocks, which is an advantage not easily solved on a PC.

[@Discarded_Youth]

I love my Mac, however there is one major issue when it comes to studio work, plugins. So many plugin manufacturers treat each MacOS update as some kind of wall that they can’t climb and force you to either keep running old versions of MacOS at the risk of security or lose functionality of your purchased plugins and have to buy them again. The exact same plugins, from the same manufacturer will continue to work just fine on a PC no matter how many times you update windows. It’s a complete scam and I refuse to do business with those companies (Waves), but it sucks that I have to miss out on good plugins simply because I chose Mac as my platform.

[@MattH-l3i]

Whether you do or don’t like mac, logic and how easy it is to add midi controllers, keyboards etc is amazing.

[@BillyTheKidsGhost]

I don't understand, I never had any trouble.

[@foundingfarther]

I feel like you should have consulted someone tech savvy before making this. Features like Thunderbolt are in PC as well as Apple. Many of the Apple apps you mention have PC equivalents. Part of why you pay more for an Apple is the cost of developing these apps. Apple likes to integrate everything. This has its ups and downs, but a tech savvy person can use the money saved by not buying Apple and spend it on apps or other upgrades. This isn't to say that Apple is a bad choice, if you're not tech savvy, need to get the job done, and have the money, your best bet is an Apple. Now, as someone who's used PC since Wndows 1, I do feel the need to point out that Windows since 10 does not have a tendency to blue screen much. If you know someone having this issue on PC, it's likely due to user error or the PC being too weak to perform the task. The latter is not unique to PC and can happen to your Apple as it ages and apps demand more power. When this issue arises, on an Apple, you have to buy a new computer to keep up. On a PC you can often keep many of the same old parts and just upgrade what is needed for a significantly lower price compared to buying a new Apple computer. Apple or rando PC products are not much better or worse than the other. Apple expects its users to not peak under the hood and face major backlash from the right to repair crowd due to their rules and regulations. Microsoft expects its users to be knowledgeable about computers in order to use an app. I like that I can alter the code of the products that I buy, but this can leave a typical computer user with a bad taste in their mouth. There are plenty of good reasons to buy Apple, but I don't think this guy is the best person to explain this. I sure wouldn't mind smoking a j with him though. 😂

[@josephguillermo3007]

Now a days I miss my Tascam four track.

[@kastnerr]

Apple certainly has their merits but I got rid of my macbook air because of overheating issues, it would just turn itself off if you asked too much of it for any length of time. The other part that just irritates the hell out of me is their pricing model want 16gb of ram instead of 8gb $200, want 1TB of storage instead of 512 $200. The price increase on storage is twice the retail price of the actual storage. In Glenn's situation apple products probably makes sense but so do speakers, cabs, mics, amps, cables, and audio interfaces. I'll never need aggregate devices for additional IO.

[@Tyradius]

Laughs in penguin. 🐧

[@giulionenna]

20 yrs of using windows and never had an unexpected reboot for an update, never had a bluescreen after an update. My brothers in Christ, do you know you can disable automatic updates?

[@0therwisesleep522]

I was an IT guy, and us IT guys tend to hate Mac for how locked down the environment is. User friendliness typically comes at the cost of customizability. However, even we admit that Mac is the better option for creatives. Although, it should be mentioned that windows *does* have the advantage of being able to actually repair your own shit if it breaks. It might happen more rarely, but when it does you have to be prepared to drop like 50% of the device's sticker price on whatever repair the genius bar says you need.

[@maxcasey5655]

Apple Care covers the repair cost. Its pretty damn reasonable too. I had an apple care covered product that had a motherboard failure. Turns out they couldn't get any more of the motherboards, so they just gave me a new Macbook instead. Try that with Dell or Lenovo :)

[@seanbeavan2884]

There is an entire industry that helps users fix PC problems. that industry doesn’t exist for mac because it doesn’t need to. Enough said.

[@0therwisesleep522]

@@seanbeavan2884first off, there are plenty of apple device repair shops all over North America. They’re just harder to come by because Apple has repeatedly gone miles out of their way to make sure that only them and their certified repair techs can actually fix anything, no matter how minor. Secondly, I hope you didn’t mean IT when you were referring to the “entire industry” of helping people with PC problems. That would be very embarrassing.

[@sirspongadoodle]

@@seanbeavan2884 well nobody is going to make a video on how to fix trash?

[@michaelolz]

The “creatives” argument. I’m an IT guy and I’ve got no “locked down” issues. Not to mention they’re faster. Keep trying.

[@F-Andre]

fun fact: i was working on an airport an nearly every macbook was brought to the special treatment, becaus on the xray the mixed material was looking strange (normal is blue for metal, but on apple the aluminum looks oragne which could be a hint of being organic) so the macbnooks were fetch and a special bomb test was proceeded to test for tnt or similar substgances

[@klaytonmayeaux8966]

I'd love to see the Linux version of this debate. That would probably ruffle some feathers even more haha!

[@digiscream]

Nah, it's pretty simple. If you want to make stuff nobody will pay for, get a Mac. If you're a manager and everybody wonders what you actually _do_ at the company, or you're gaming, get a Windows PC. If you're building stuff that actually matters, Linux. /debate ;)

[@RoyaltyInTraining.]

@@digiscream In comparison to Mac, Linux users make things that everyone wants, but nobody has to pay for. FOSS rules.

[@digiscream]

@@RoyaltyInTraining. - indeed. In fact, Linux users make the things that everybody uses even if they don't _know_ they're using them.

[@jennoscura2381]

I use Linux. Reaper runs on Linux. So I have a good DAW. The downsides are fewer VSTs and JACK audio can be a pain sometimes. But in the grand scheme of things I am glad I switched to Linux after getting frustrated with Windows XP. So I have been using Linux since 2008. I am only thinking about getting a Windows laptop because the software to install new firmware on my Arturia KeyStep Pro MIDI controller, isn't available for Linux. So the plan is a laptop from Ebay with Windows. I then plan to install a Linux partition so I can use it for normal stuff and just have windows when Linux isn't an option. Firmware updates don't happen all the time. So I won't be using Windows much.

[@jennoscura2381]

​@@digiscreama crap ton of servers run Linux. But for home desktop use, it hasn't caught on as much. Which is unfortunate. But if you want a certain program like a game, and it doesn't run on Linux, then you need another OS. Of course you can always dual boot and use windows for gaming and Linux for everything else.

[@rolithesecond]

I once unplugged a usb stick from a friend's macbook. The macbook was bricked (yes, bad luck) and had to be completely reinstalled.

[@cizmar1972]

I could never use a MAC for anything seriously. Period. It has a dogshit GUI that makes me want to punch something every time I use it. At least with Windows everything is logically placed in the UI. Being an IT professional, I have to use both Windows and MAC, Android and iPhone devices. Both MAC and iPhone iOS GUIs disgust me. I would rather deal with fixing issues on a Windows machine (which usually ends up being very simple) than deal with that garbage GUI. PS: I record at home using a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 4th Gen and have never had a single driver issue in Reaper or Ableton Live and a few other DAWs I have used in the past.

[@Awertnex]

I agree about MAC, but not about windows. Using windows for me is like walking through thick mud after I switched to Linux about 3 years ago, the time it takes loading the same REAPER project on windows (heavily de-bloated even) vs on linux is about 20:1, if not more than 20. Also I get a lot more done in a shorter amount of time on linux and I have much, much greater freedom morphing my system however I wish, including the UI, I also can do the exact same things I used to do on windows whether as a software developer or anything production/audio processing, or even video editing (downside is that you have to be a power-user and/or dedicate so much time and taste a lot of yummy wummy PAIN learning the quirks of linux, also not very beginner friendly). If you're wondering, I'm using Linux Mint MATE edition.

[@DDWyss]

And lets not forget that Apple is the company which hawked a $30,000 watch for which it no longer provides any kind of hardware or software support! Thanks, but no thanks!

[@Rushtallica]

@@Awertnex My problem with Linux is getting the software portion of my Scarlett 212 (gen 4, though I also have a 6i6 gen 1 and a Harmony interface) to work as well as major software such as Amplitube/Tonex and EZDrummer, and it can get a little confusing trying to figure out the command lines properly for different distros, so it basically takes installing whatever distro and other software someone got theirs working on to follow along with a tutorial, and then I've found sometimes only a particular version of a distro, outdated by then, worked for the one who tries to help guide through the process. Windows and MacOS are nowhere near as confusing, though there are times they can be complex with certain things, as well. Anyway, Nobara's been great for gaming, and at some point I hope to get Linux working with the software and hardware that I have. Because of copilot/recall spyware, I think MacOS will be the easy choice for many, but again I hope to get a Linux setup working well for it at some point.

[@Awertnex]

@@Rushtallica that's understandable, yeah windows is mostly plug and play, and when it's not, at least software supports it, but until we have better software support for linux in general, the choice will be either jumping through hoops to make it work or switching back to windows. I can't speak for the plug-ins mentioned but I did get Kontakt, Serum, Perfect Drums, FabFilter Q-3, C-2, R and Amped - Roots working fine and just as good, however it was one of the most challenging things I had to do on linux. But I am facing the driver issues, probably since there's no linux support by focusrite in general. My Scarlett Solo 3rd gen works fine without a driver and just using the linux ALSA driver, I can not spot any difference in recording or playback quality, but it's probably not as good as the actual driver for the specific interface.

[@Rushtallica]

@@Awertnex Thanks, and I'm glad you were able to get those things working. I like Fluff's Amped Roots plugin. 8)

[@greendaykerplunk]

Hey Glenn, what do you think of Logic Pro?

[@jloiben12]

Apple computers have a high floor. It is much harder for issues to pop up with an Apple. However, PCs have higher upside. If you know what you are doing, or are working with a company that knows how to put computers together, PCs will in most use cases be a better performing option

[@NabPunk]

Or get a laptop, those work fine too, my laptop's screen has died twice, but the computer itself is rock solid and never has any issues.

[@LeCVSUVL]

I am a Windows user and i do have to admit that Mac is far more stable than a Windows machine. I remember back in my sound recording school(back in 2016-2017). The one year i spent there working on my projects with a Mac was a breeze. The only time of instability i had was sometimes with Pro Tools(because well, it's PT). I do consider switching to Mac when i will save enough money for the one that i want, and keep my PC for gaming and some other tasks. It did hurt a bit to hear all you had to say, but you are totally right when it comes to brand loyalty it shouldn't be a thing especially when it comes to work.

[@jerms648]

As a huge pc enthusiast who used to be so anti-mac. The redesigned m1 macbook pro has changed my mind ten fold. I can never go back to a windows laptop. I still love my desktop pc because i’m a big tinkerer, but when i want something to just work without much thought, i grab my mac.

[@CobraFat2000]

Well... We're sad to see you go, feel free to rejoin anti-mac ranks anytime if you reconsider. We love you.

[@tomaszmazurek64]

The emails from all the plugin manufacturers telling me to not udpate my (hypothetical) Mac until they test the plugins, often followed by emails to not update until they fix compatibility issues, puts a huge dent in the "an update won't disrupt your work" argument. And a cheaper iPhone 5S I bought a few years ago, which became almost unusable after an update used up all the drive space, soured me on all the cheaper Apple gear, as it feels like you are buying a piece of gear that will be a prime target for planned obsolescence within a year or two. The one interesting thing about modern Macs are the CPUs that seem really promissing on the cost/performance metrics.

[@mrburns366]

I hate Apple with an undying passion and it has absolutely nothing to do with loving Windows or brand loyalty. Apple is one of the most anti-consumer companies I've ever seen in my life.

[@emilholmgrenmusic]

I'm running a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 and getting eight more inputs with a Presonus Digimax D8 through ADAT lightpipe. Did everyone forget about this easy-to-use system? I dont think I'll ever run more than sixteen simultaneous inputs in my little home studio. Granted, eight are locked to my constantly miced-up drumkit, but with eight more good mic preamps and another stereo input via S/PDIF, I'm covered.

[@dingalarm]

Doctor Mix uses PCs in his studio. 'Nuff said.

[@betelrock5355]

You can send texts from a Mac is seriously on this list 😂

[@alexeypolevoybass]

Linux destroys both, but plugin vendors sadly aren't keeping up, except for Audio Assault, Presonus, and a handful of others. Huge kudos to Glenn for making Element Bass for Linux too (as well as PRISM), that was a tremendously nice change in my production pipeline.

[@PsychometricGaming]

Gotta disagree on this, any kind of advanced audio configuration in Linux is a complete headache, not to mention most of my software and a lot of my hardware aren't supported at all. I am tempted to look at a Mac for audio work though, as Windows seems to become more and more of a clunky mess with each iteration

[@alexeypolevoybass]

@@PsychometricGaming what's that “advanced audio configuration” that is a headache? Editing Pipewire config once (if you need it at all) is too much for you? Mixing isn't for you either then. And you're a pirate anyway, so stop complaining and try to learn new tools. Those you can actually afford.

[@PsychometricGaming]

​@@alexeypolevoybassevery time I've attempted it has resulted in a mess of jack/alsa/pulse audio stuff that has never been straightforward to set up. That may have changed since I last tried but I can't really test it as my current audio interface doesn't work on Linux at all so it's a bit of a non-starter. I do use Linux for other things and generally prefer it to Windows. Not sure what you meant by the pirate comment, it would probably be easier if I was rather than having to deal with a stupid ilok to run things legitimately, but that's a whole discussion in itself.

[@digiscream]

@@PsychometricGaming - it really isn't any more. Since Pipewire came out, it's trivial and mostly just works with extremely low latency out of the box - and most audio interfaces are supported out of the box too. As for plugins, I even got iLok running on my main Linux desktop last year (I _really_ wanted the Nembrini ADA MP-1 plugin).

[@annekedebruyn7797]

The issue is that Linux may destroy both but that gets completely nullified by not having any industry standard support. Sure, if you run your own studio this isn't an issue. But doing post production, I need ProTools so my only choice is between MacOS and Windows. And even then, I need very specific hardware for SMPTE sync which all don't have Linux drivers. It's the main reason why barely anyone is able to use Linux for audio production and post production as their main OS. I do use it for the servers I am running but those don't requires DAWs to operate.

[@roosin7900]

I'm primarily a PC user and built a custom watercooled monster. I had to buy a Mac just to use Pro Tools. Even though it's a cross platform DAW, the PC version is completely different. It's like a completely different program that shares the same graphical user interface. Mac's being better for music production is a very real thing and it's also incredibly frustrating but here we are.

[@myopicautisticmetal9035]

I have never had any problems with my PC's, let alone the crap you blather on about. But then I am not trying to run a studio or even record bands.

[@DJILLEE]

PC enthusiast here since 1993. Windows needs a rewrite of the code from the ground up. Drivers are a mess especially for audio. My Mac studio stays at 32 samples of buffer even on the largest projects and it never goes over 30% cpu usage....and im talking hundreds of tracks with plugins all over the place. iCloud, iMessage and airdrop are incredibly useful and saves a ridiculous amount of time. Thunderbolt support on pc is lacking tremendously. Nearly none of the new boards coming out with onboard thunderbolt 4 (like the ProArt series) are backwards compatible with thunderbolt 2 or 1. That means if you have a thunderbolt 2 audio interface you have to get a new interface to move up to the newer pc hardware. Not to mention that those boards with thunderbolt natively are extremely expensive and only have a maximum of 2 ports. You also have to really know your I/O on pc to get the best performance from things like usb because nearly all the ports on pc have different specs or they share the same controller with another port etc. On mac, you literally just plug and play. PCs are noisy and even the quiet ones are loud and if you want a quiet one you have to have a giant case. Macs are small and silent. I was a PC enthusiast. I loved building them and tweaking them. Once Apple came out with the M1 chips there was no denying that they were the superior choice especially for audio production. Like Glenn says, they just friggin work. No tinkering. No trouble shooting why my thunderbolt stopped working when I installed an NVME drive. No BSOD. No having to go into my bios to turn off thunderbolt, boot into windows then hit restart and go back into the bios to turn thunderbolt back on and reboot again just to get it to work. No drivers issues with my interfaces. Nearly no latency with my interfaces (ASIO sucks). Lowest I could go on my pc with USB interfaces was 256 samples but on mac I can go down to 32 samples with the same interface. With my thunderbolt interface the lowest I could go on PC was 64 samples until I started mixing where Id have to increase as I added plugins. My mac studio stays at 32 samples all the time no matter the size of the project with the same interface. No forced windows updates. I cant tell you how many hours I have had fixing issues with my pc and I am a very advanced user. I can just work now.

[@_wayneman_]

Here's the thing tho: The last time I was forced to work on Mac (2015-2016), I had daily crashes and lost my mind because nothing really worked. Compatibility sucked and everything was just 10 times more complicated than it is even on Linux. My experiences with Mac were so bad, that I actually thought this video was a parodie for the first couple of minutes. Nothing in this world will make me touch a Mac ever again. I am done with this overpriced, useless garbage. I'm now back on PC since 2017 and I use this setup for virtually anything: Music production, Programming, 3D art & rendering, lot's of local AIs, Gaming... and my PC never crashed once in all those years. I remember those painful days in the 90s and even early 2000s when Windows used to be a gaint pain in the ass, but those days are over. If you're having troubles with Windows these days, YOU are the one doing it wrong. EDIT: Before anyone starts acusing me of simping for Microsoft: Nope, I'd ditch Windows without hesitation and only use Linux if it wasn't for audio and gaming. I just think that Mac is way, way, WAY worse than Windows ever was. EDIT2: No, it wasn't just me having big troubles using Macs during 2015-16. Everyone in the office had the same issues and we were all glad when this trash was thrown out the windows. (pun intended)

[@TealScarab]

Do you think we can get a complementary video for this one? I’m simply curious of any possible shortcomings for apple devices and advantages of any other platforms.

[@sarty23]

GLENN HAS BECOME TOTALLY BIAS ON THIS ONE

[@Emily_M81]

this video is pure rage bait and he knows it lol

[@deadadam666]

@@Emily_M81 internet drama channels get more clicks clearly

[@thales_stat]

What’s the minimum setup for a MacBook Air to run Ableton live + the band’s IEM and FoH via Scarlett 18i20? I’m running it with my Soundcraft UI24r and windows. A Complete nightmare

[@freepadz6241]

Glenn has turned into the kind of person he used to rant about. I can only afford an android phone, and guess what, whatsapp workes perfect for messages

[@mwmatthews1]

I was wondering what he was talking about about. It's never occured to me to use my computer for text messages, that is why I have a phone 😅

[@Lewisdennis666]

@@mwmatthews1 you don't want to video call on your computer because all the contact info etc is linked to your phone?! are you mad?! you'll be telling us all that you don't want to produce tracks from your Apple watch next. Get with the times! 🤣

[@maxcasey5655]

I see a lot of folks commenting about what they "like" or don't "like". Computers are tools. You use the right tool for the job. I have Mac's for what they do best, I have a lInux workstation for what it does well, and I have a windows system for the things it does well, which is mainly deal with work stuff. I use a console system for games. No system can do it all, and perhaps you shouldn't want them to.

[@MasterTrolliusTV]

I run and record all of my work on a custom built PC using Windows 10 Pro. Absolutely destroys Crapintosh.

[@Cyber6string]

I currently use a Windows box, a Dell AV Linux tower, a Mac Mini, a Chromebook, a system 76 Linux laptop, an iPhone and an Android phone to make music. I use iCloud + Google Drive to go between them (Drive syncs perfectly on Mac). There are just certain tools that work better on different platforms, I’m not willing to compromise. When it comes to putting it all together in recording software, and live recording, I do that on a Mac 10 out of 10 times. It’s trouble free for me, flat out. Any graphics are done on Linux. Haven’t done video yet, but Linux has some fantastic tools for that that I’ve dabbled in. Of course, I keep backups, 3 different backups, 2 types of media, 1 offsite. Sounds complicated but it’s really not.

[@Weaverbeats]

this has to be the worst video on this subject and it's not even close

[@Turdswamp1]

This is about a silly as Marquez Brownlees video he did a little while ago where Apple took him to their "secret" testing lab for their iPhones where they were trying to boast about the water resistance. And saying that if you want something quality then it has to be complex and not easy to work on.

[@PeterCamberwick]

If you wanted thoughtful and thought provoking videos, you've come to the wrong channel. If you wanted to hear a bloke shout for ten minutes and call various people dumb asses, in an admittedly somewhat entertaining manner, welcome aboard. :)

[@Turdswamp1]

@@PeterCamberwick aye. I've been watching his stuff for several years now. It's just that this video (as compared to his last set) he seems a bit more serious and less satire about it.

[@michaelsnydermusic]

I got my MacBook Air on your advice and I’m so glad I did it. Upgraded to Logic and away I went. The one thing I didn’t like was the small screen when mixing. Then I found out I could use my old iPad as a touchscreen mixer remote with their app. Everything is easy now and it sounds good!Now Logic even has AI mastering embedded. Thanks Glenn!

[@BeatsAndMeats]

I have never EVER heard my MacBook Pro make a single sound ever… absolutely silent.

[@CobraFat2000]

Have you tried turning it off and on again. If it doesn't turn off - then the problem is - it was never on in the first place.

[@appleleptiker]

@@CobraFat2000 That joke usually only applies to people that actually have a technical problem.

[@CobraFat2000]

@@appleleptiker Macs do freeze occasionally, but I have to admit I rarely reboot a Win10 machine as well. This joke is probably reserved for an older set of machines.

[@MawcDrums]

Cool story nobody cares. Y'all are comparing high performance gaming pcs to baby's first computer for people who don't know how to use computers.