Speed Stick Heated Snowboard-Go Faster! Every Third Thursday

ETT Season 4, episode 7: Get ready for some HOT snowboard action in this month's Every Third Thursday! Dave Lee and the Signal Snowboards crew get back to the base-ics, experimenting with new technology to actually heat up the base of a snowboard and test out their theory that a hot base will go faster. Dave explains that the snow sliding action actually works from friction heating up the snow and forming a thin layer of water that the board slides on, but what if we speed up that process by incorporating a heat film into the base? Watch as Dave dials the base all the way up to 128-degrees and snowboarder Alex Cato heats up the slopes of Park City Resort.
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[@Jmyster4]

you should lend this board to some people who will do some actual tests on it. Like flatboard time/speed tests. Statistical documentation rather than subjective opinion (not that opinions weren't nice to hear, but it didn't sound overly convincing)

[@pyrokinder]

I know what you mean man. This is one of their most realistic board ideas that I could see selling well.

[@SuperMrminecraftdude]

The feeling of faster might just have beena placebo

[@r_starchild2157]

The placebo effect gets a lot of us lol.

[@Cheeky_Goose]

That's what I was thinking. Without any statistics, this video is nothing but an advertisement.

[@Ripper-yv3sk]

Probably was, they should have speed tested it

[@Ripper-yv3sk]

Probably was, they should have speed tested it

[@josepajares5684]

+DragonBorn true, i need numbers to compare

[@joblessalex]

Your soldering job looks like you did it with an arc welder...

[@TheSuppressFurry]

lol. just watching the 2 seconds of soldering they showed made me cringe.

[@jacobfalk4827]

+joblessalex yeah haha!

[@97skinnyboyswag]

I threw up in my mouth a little bit

[@michi125125]

+joblessalex I cry when i saw it.

[@ghostrider433]

+joblessalex No, looks more like he put the wire on the solder point. took a big fucking shit on it and waited a week or so for it to dry solid

[@brettb1217]

Not gonna lie clicked on the video because I thought you were putting deodorant on a snowboard

[@dumcrapcat]

+Atomic Sauce. I thought they were gonna put a layer of deodorant on it and then heat it the layer of it up lol

[@ThisGuyRides]

+Atomic Sauce. I'm still gonna try it, but with Old Spice.

[@VentureTracks]

+Atomic Sauce. Dude same... it's okay.

[@Meef4618]

right lol

[@valintinecugrov4648]

ur an idiot

[@IamDtvStudios]

be careful where you keep those lipo batteries because if they get to low they will blow up and catch on fire. when they are used in rc cars there is something called lipo cut off which cuts it off when they get low to prevent it from blowing up.

[@yaash4123]

Some kind of safety circuit is ideal with those kinds of batteries.

[@JordanBartholme]

Solid, measurable tests and observations there fellas! Very scientific and worthwhile! "I think it feels faster guys" How about (oh, 30 seconds of thought gives me...): measure a 100 foot section of hill, any moderate grade. with 50lb weight, measure the time it takes the board to reach the end from gravity alone. try and RECORD several times. average results. defeat communism.

[@pags44]

how about you go out in the snow with your infinite wisdom instead of bagging people who actually do. not much snow in the university classroom smartguy

[@brameldm]

+Michael Pagliaro Jordan's ideas aren't university-level. I'm pretty sure I was taught about the scientific method in elementary school.

[@suchgr8hieghts]

+Michael Pagliaro smartguy? rightt... come on thats such a simple experiment that would actually provide legitimate results. doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that one out, thats elementary school shit. "university classroom" hahahaha

[@thepowerofknowledge3338]

+Jordan Bartholme over even have a stop watch and go down the hill as fast as you can... Also if one battery is fast and two is faster, they should use 4 and see how fast it goes

[@851995STARGATE]

+Michael Pagliaro Dude why the fuck are you whining he's right, without empirical data and speed testing we can just attribute everything they "feel" to the placebo effect

[@haydenf5589]

Some scientific speed tests would have been alot better than coming to a conclusion just from the riders observations. You should give this idea to someone that will actually test the boards ability to improve speed based on the hypothesis of improved snow melting capabilities

[@olivermurphy97]

agreed

[@matthewvarela3771]

I was really looking for some numbers here in the video. Pretty bummed.

[@aurelienyonrac]

Do it yourself

[@JFish191]

You should measure a straight run with a speed gun and see the difference between a regular board and the heated board. The speed difference you are feeling could be a placebo effect.

[@Akira.Nibbai]

Putting a Lipo in your pocket. Face palm.

[@yesssmamz]

You need numbers to prove any experiment. Feels faster is not science. Is not repeatable. Ever heard of a placebo? You should have just went down the regular mountain and clocked runs on a gps app on any smartphone. After a few runs then you can take the mean of say 10 runs without battery then 10 runs with battery. Then you would have hard numbers and not feels faster. Take care.

[@T0BBi94]

Yes! Simple experimental methodology

[@cybertree]

I was thinking hell, test it industrially with equipment. 1) Make a shallow angled gutter from plywood, cover evenly with snow. 2) Let the board go down on it's own WITHOUT heat, and then WITH. 3) Record times, do math, empirical results.

[@girafmad]

Why on earth did they not do it with a blind test, that video is a great concept video, but if you want to get rid of confirmation bias you need to do it as a blind test. (Aka the one on the board can't know if it is heated or not)

[@zenraloc]

very true, im sure they were just eager to test out the board and there idea, it was probably tested later without the bias.

[@boce244]

Good point. I guess they are ideally, but seriously lack of basic training in science and methodology. Good to see the concept seems to work, but it's not too difficult to concept proof. However, they still gotta a long way to go to improve its function, durability, battery life, etc.

[@brenden9904]

And how would they do that? Here bud, ride my board and don't mind the two huge as batteries that I am now wiring through your leg...

[@girafmad]

Brenden OLoughlin Eh, is this a trick question? One could have a real battery the other a dummy battery.

[@girafmad]

Watzegik Datzegik depends on what amount of heat the board delivers, but yeah a temperature sensor mounted just below the surface of the board would also be a great start for a better test.

[@jeenyus720]

why not time one straight shot run over like 100m before and after?

[@15subarusti59]

+jeenyus720 they were probably too stoned to do proper research. either that, or too stoked. at least it'll keep your feet warm

[@keobrock1]

science? what's that?

[@cozminautx2049]

Kevin Rustles right

[@Mistted]

This whole video is just waste of time because it doesn't tell how much it actually helps. And how long does those batteries last? And how much this whole thing costs? And is it durable? Also this technology could be used to heat up the body. Insert that thing inside your boots, helmet, jacket and pants, and enjoy the warmth.

[@jayc5413]

This need proper scientific process. interesting none the less.

[@Nivexity]

Castro_d-_-b can't find an argument? it's not even from an anime, but thanks for sharing your pathetic life with me.

[@earthinthecomments4944]

+Yoshi Shut up you bitch. Just because you are not having a good day, does not mean that you can say that.

[@Nivexity]

RobloxGamer1600824 Oh so someone insults me and when I reply you call me a bitch? I gave you a perfect explanation for why you have no idea what your talking about in another comment, You're only calling me a bitch because you're ignorant of science itself.

[@jayc5413]

+putte vigå we have already established that numb nuts, move along

[@NextGenTerminator]

+Yoshi And where does the heat go when it disperses? The heated film heats in a downward direction, heating the wood below it, heating the snow below that. The transfer of heat isn't as slow as you think. There's easily enough time to heat up a significant layer of snow that will cause a noticeable change in speed.

[@dino5624]

Why am I watching this I don’t even have a snowboard

[@funky555]

i dont even snow looks like yes.

[@kayhan4395]

You guys should go to a blacksmith and forge a snowboard.

[@kayhan4395]

i know right!!!

[@LSPD1909]

That would be heavy af

[@littlestworkshop]

That's really cool. Should of timed a straight run to get the % speed increase. ETT idea: folding snowboard, not in the easy direction either, ideally folding into 4!

[@sn0wchyld]

its not cool at all. not one bit... ;P

[@jochemvanoosten9350]

sn0wchyld the puns.

[@dphotos007]

I have been a skier for 45 years now. Started when I was 12 and to be honest I am not into snow boarding but I would like to see this idea tried on skis. Living on So Cal, Mammoth and Squaw Valley were my main go to mountains when I was a kid.

[@BrandonKent136]

Wow this idea could become the next big thing in snowboarding and even skiing! I bet alpine skiers would love a form of this technology on their boards! This is the future, and you guys started it.

[@wolffgang101]

Signal needs to bring this back, Every Third Thursday

[@tylerbrown9797]

meh, no way to tell if this is placebo effect or not. Of course they thought the heated board was a little faster! They spent hours making it. I want to see an actual side by side test of a heated and non heated board

[@albertplaplanas856]

I am also wondering if that possible speed increase is really due to the water melted or if it is more related to the wax of the board properties at a higher temperature.

[@1arianboy]

he's obviously not showing off the car or something...

[@JuliusBurton]

+1arianboy The video was sponsored by Toyota.

[@imtypingwords]

+Julius Burton yeah but toyota is awesome so im fine with that

[@CannonGamesV1]

+1arianboy With the brand new Toyota 4Runner, you can go off-road, mountain driving, or just a cruise around town. With 270 horse power, and 22 miles to the gallon, any dream can be made possible. Toyota Let's Go Places

[@imtypingwords]

Jiffy Stiffy LOL!

[@notnedmac8897]

+Jiffy Stiffy he he

[@benpinney940]

Since you have already a powered board, I would be cool if you were able to make a pair of boots or shoes and bindings that could be magnetized together with electro magnets. This would allow allow a rider to get on, off lifts, and get going down hill quicker, rather than re-attaching the loose binding before heading down hill. Foot wear would to need have some sort of a jigsaw puzzle structure that would fit into a structured jigsaw puzzle binding. The fitting would help keep the rider from slipping off the board.

[@DeathCookieEnt]

That top sheet graphic is so freaking SICK !!!

[@CaseyReedFishing]

You are sliding on a thin layer of melted snow, but your speed comes from how quick you can tread the water out from under your board, not just having more water under your board. That's why there are different types of structure you can put on your board. There is a specific structure that acts like tread on your tires that gets the water away from your board quicker.

[@MakinaDeMuerte]

I don't snowboard and don't really have a huge interest in it... but I find myself watching these sweet videos. lol

[@Austin5613]

Alright now here is how we can make this great idea even better. Place a hidden battery in a jacket. Run some wires down to the boots, and have some kind of connector at the bottom of each boot. the female connector on the bottom of the boot snaps into a male connector attached to the snowboard and bindings Nobody would be able to tell that the board had been altered, and nobody would be able to see any wires or a battery. then we give these to all of the USA olympic athletes and watch them smoke the competition! ;D

[@Darvobek]

Great idea, except all gear is tested to very specific details and the whole point of the Olympics is skill not cheating.

[@TheErolDude]

Tell that to the Russians lol

[@henryharris8971]

The 4Runner ad placement was almost impressive

[@Free_Krazy]

And then it makes it even faster for anyone riding the same line you took bc you melted the track lol

[@JoshuaGumpMartin]

Combined the solar panel with the heated base... it will not be as much heat as the battery. but it is free energy to make you go faster.

[@plumpchicken6147]

park city is love park city is life

[@xHeroHueyx]

Hey guys I'm a skier but I love your show and I was wondering if it would be possible to make a snowboard that splits in two and becomes a pair of skis? If so I'd love to see this idea become a reality

[@cybertree]

*I was thinking hell, test it industrially with equipment.* 1) Make a shallow angled gutter from plywood, cover evenly with snow. 2) Let the board go down on it's own WITHOUT heat, and then WITH. 3) Record times, do math, empirical results.

[@dmitryteseniar846]

I think you guys should have disconnected the battery and told the guy riding it that that it was connected. I think him knowing it was connected caused a placebo effect (him having the expectation for it to go faster made him think that it was actually going faster.) Also you could have done a down hill test and used a speed gun or a stopwatch to be more accurate but nevertheless this was a great video and I love what you guys do and maybe we'll see technology similar to this in future snowboards. :p

[@llla_german_ewoklll6413]

This is going to be in every snowboard someday!!! You have started a great thing!

[@jcb8505]

Heat tape you can cut it to any shape and you connect it to a wire and plug it in the wall. And it comes with little plastic covers so you don't touch the open wire and get fried!

[@ruthiedude1234]

Use it with the solar top 👌

[@RebelliousAudio]

Why not create a snowboard on fire if a heated board goes faster ? Come to think of it.. a coloured smoke trail would be epic as well :) Especially with multiple riders each riding a different color ! These videos are awesome !

[@crisrose9707]

i love how they casualy show off all the features of the sponsor car XD

[@Cpapp20]

That top sheet is so sick

[@NSteigs]

that Wintersteiger grinder 👌💯 4:01

[@RobinsM]

I remember when i played hockey in high school there were a few kids with skates that heated the blades themselves. They were expensive and had to be charged all the time, but were proven to make you faster on the ice. I'm surprised they didnt already have heated snowboards.

[@TechMechMen]

No way. Even the high-end 1000$ skates nowadays can't do that. What skates are those? Do you recall the company? I'm curios.

[@RobinsM]

TechMechMen They are called thermablades. It just the holders and the blades for about $400 Then you install them on to what ever skates you have.

[@jackay27]

Awesome idea guys! Taking snowboarding technology to the next level!

[@juicymangos9820]

I really like this because it takes engineering to a new level. And the reason it works is because he heats up the ice and creates microscopic steam under the board giving it a slight but not noticeable float effect therefor decreasing friction. Gosh I love it

[@zodiak650]

Pretty sick concept board.

[@lionelcrawford4562]

Man this was so cool. I've only snowboarded once but I loved it so much because I felt super natural at something in my life for a first.

[@TrueAmericanManJ]

I had an idea like this while hitting an ice patch on my first year of riding. I thought hmm if I could some how get heated blades this ice would get ripped. I like this idea much better.

[@jacmarpett]

When the conclusion is: "It kind of feels faster" it might as well be due to the placebo effect. You built the board and of course you want it to be faster, so it feels that way. You should test it properly. Go down the exact same straight slope 10 times without heat. A long slope, for better accuracy. Then 10 times with heat. And time it with a stopwatch. That way the "feeling" of it going faster has no say at all.

[@garretthanke7834]

Bring back ETT

[@kaneokeefe3087]

That graphic is so cool

[@7Mystery1]

engineering at its finest

[@joomlaboy836]

My first thought - now FIS needs to check cross country competitors' skis for hidden batteries :)

[@14arma]

I would like to see this done with a consistent downhill slope with equal weights on 2 boards... Or try a blind test with dead battery's so the rider doesn't know if hes on a heated board or not and see if they can accurately determine whether their board was heated or not based on the ride alone to any significant consistency. Cool idea though, it may very well work.

[@lespaul1101]

So many ideas... Would love to see a solar cell top to this, maybe there's a point at which too much heat could slow you down. What an awesome project!

[@danjennings5068]

Cool idea. Really need to embed a few temp probes in the board to see if it maintains much heat while running. Data!

[@sauceyboy]

really good scientific method guys!!! "i went down the down box faster!"

[@TioDave]

Can't wait to see if you left the grooves of the record out.

[@probios]

Two points. First, don't say "it's just a theory" when you mean "it's just a theoretical hypothesis" or "we are just guessing based on a theory". There's a difference. Second, the heated board may go faster if all its heat energy isn't conducted to the snow, which happens nearly instantaneously when you step on it. If you would want to have a heated board while its moving, it should be able produce heat energy as fast it loses it, and this wasn't the case. The board was as cold as the snow when you were sliding on it. You could have realize this if you would have ended your project with a scientific test where you compare the speed of the board with and without the heating instead of just guessing that it goes faster when you knew that it uses both batteries and thus you "should" notice a difference. My hypothesis is that the only parameter that the heating affects is the static friction coefficient, which is not important when you are moving. So all in all, the project succeeded in doing a heated board but failed at making any difference what so ever on its speed. You could have guessed this knowing some basic high school physics.

[@1goodFX]

Really cool experiment! Kind of a MythBusters episode... But Jamie Hyneman would have asked for a test with only a mass on the board and a radar gun etc. So we could get a percentage value on how much faster it really is. Thanks and continue your experiments!

[@Greatest_Hitz]

I miss you every day PC

[@laurencebaldauf4570]

Could "Feel Faster" because of the Placebo effect. Try having the test subject ride the board with it on, and another time with it off - but don't tell them when it is on or off, and see if they can tell you after the ride which is which.

[@joshhatton5220]

Working with you guys would be so awesome!

[@Darth_Tuna]

these guys are so awesome. just following what they love

[@eLJaybud]

All good... unless the lithium battery in your pocket decides to burst into flames! Looks like fun as long as you don't melt the slope. ;-)

[@leotard2536]

Epic. I wonder if it causes the run to get icy, though.

[@owez7113]

Lol Why Are They Putting A SkateBord On Ice 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@alexrioux346]

For best results you have to heat it to 7 degrees Celsius :)

[@danielliberty7559]

if the snow is colder that means you need more energy to melt it and surf on the water. the colder it is the less snow is gonna melt.

[@nyinfamous2k2]

you guys are fucking awesome, that truly LTD , dream job, keep it up fellas

[@markthe5hark8]

You should have marked off part of a short strip of the slope, put weights on the board and let it go. Then you could clearly see how fast the heated board is and how fast the unheated board is. You can't really tell any difference in the video besides the opinions expressed by the people who want it to work.

[@hanbekov]

it is suxx. your board hot 45 or 130 degrees only by stand. after you lay the board on snow and start moving , she momentally cold to snow temperature as ordinary board.

[@harryjebb7235]

Damn I need an electric snowboard now hahaha

[@BrandonKent136]

You guys should make a PVC board! Like this so they see it!

[@justinstanicky5299]

pvc is stupid weak. ok

[@MrDesertPunk]

Justin Stanicky ok

[@Noobiefroobiechoobie]

+Justin Stanicky they made a board out of paper…stfu

[@AdventureCola]

Yet again, great concept and idea, but we lack the battery technology for it to be considered practical. Someday though :)

[@asgrides4499]

Did you know why ice is slippery. It’s because the atoms at top are not surround by Oxygens and hydrogens, so the top h20 atoms bounce around creating a slippery surface.

[@ihopthsuzrnmeisfree]

I doubt if it actually made any difference, it's more likely that it actually made it slower. The heat would melt the wax and would rub off onto the snow, then you're riding on an unwaxed board. The placebo effect is a wonderful thing

[@patriknano1342]

The music is REALLLLLYYYY GOOOOOOOD 😍😍😍😍😍

[@gilbertchavez4808]

That’s freakin awesome I wonder if tech has changed to make this any better?

[@thejm3]

You gents should combine the Solar Board with this idea, except make it so the solar panels save / use power to heat up the board! Just an idea, Cheers! P.s.- Signed up for a Signal 6! Stoked, & fingers crossed

[@DeathCookieEnt]

"it's getting hot in herre!"

[@DrDherp]

Great job constructing the board fellas, but I wish you had given some actual numbers. I'd wager that board is no faster, but I'm still glad y'all tried it. If you give me some basic numbers on the energy flow from those batteries (volts and amps), I can tell you how quickly that snow cools the board back down.

[@dphotos007]

You should had done a test on a short controlled slope running the board with and without the heat same slope same snow. A start/finish line from point A to point B and see the time difference down the slope at different bottom temps. You should patent this idea before the big guys do.

[@systempatcher]

I wish you would have provided a test with actual results, but either way it's still awesome.

[@Rayman0I]

By the way, the theory that ice skating is facilitated by the ice reaching pressure melting point is one that has been debunked and is just a myth. If the weight of a person through ice skates is not enough to increase the pressure to reach pressure melting point, then the weight of a person on a snowboard or skis definitely is not.

[@slipsonic809]

Exactly

[@Woaleck42]

I guess that the extra weight of the battery in his pocket made him faster(less drag vs downhill weight) than the effekt of the warm base

[@skiptech1300]

Combine this with your solar board! Self-powered board with a renewably heated base

[@thingermahjigsmith685]

Out of all their board ideas, this one seems the most sellable at a commercial level. I know I'd buy something like this altho you couldn't use this on a super pow day 'cause you might avi out.

[@FriskyTentacles]

yo those graffics look dope

[@carolynmmitchell2240]

Cody Grzywa graphiks*

[@maxmillion9596]

carolyn mmitchell Graphics*

[@macmcleod1188]

An easy formal test is the same skier does the same run over and over without jumps or rails. If there is a difference in speed then it should show up in the run times. Also, if it melts much snow, won't it create more patches of ice?

[@CoolAsFreya]

I love park city!! Amazing slopes

[@CoolAsFreya]

It's so cool seeing tracks you've been skiing on since you were 2

[@aboota6506]

+CoolAsFinnBro no one cares

[@slipsonic809]

This doesn't really make any sense because if you bring your board inside and let it warm up, then take it out on the snow, it sticks until it cools down again, because it melts the snow under it. I also don't think you're actually riding on a thin layer of water. That is the case for ice skating because the blades make way more pressure on the already hard ice, but with a snowboard your weight is spread out and the snow is usually at least a bit soft. There's nowhere near the pressure needed to melt it, plus if your board melted the snow a little bit, it would leave a crusty ice trail behind. Also, what about riding in powder? It definitely doesn't melt powder, and if you've ever ridden on a day where its above freezing and the snow is melting, you know it's super slow and boggy. I you were already riding on a thin layer of water anyways, shouldnt wet snow make you go faster? This is a cool idea and cool build, but I think just a nice hot wax is just as good.

[@searchgooglerdwolff384]

How about trying PTFE (teflon) for a base instead of UHMWPE? I dunno maybe something new to try.

[@larryoneill3162]

Bring it out to mtn creek out in the ice coast.

[@ReconGameElite]

I thought while snowboarding, that your floating on air molecules withing the snow and so that is why you go glide and go faster. Example, fresh powder is better than compacted snow/ice. There is more air compartments in fresh powder to glide over, but when the ice is compacted there are less molecules in the snow to ride over. By melting the ice you are just making your ride similar to going down a slide(why you may feel that your are going down faster), which would make your control less accurate. If I am wrong please correct me, this is just what i have been told about the mechanics of skiing and snowboarding.

[@brettkinney1381]

You realize you go slower through powder right? It's about friction and resistance, I've can be faster if it's smooth and not bumpy, but if there is a thin layer of water you would slide over it much faster, it's the same as a car when it hydroplanes.

[@Milkex]

You would need a MUCH more efficient PID output to counteract the new snow constantly barraging the heated slide.

[@NoahMTSpensley]

now combine that with the solar pannel one and add boot warmers

[@XAVIERZAX]

You should try this heating system on a very very cold snow. That's the worst snow for gliding.

[@IshowFUNNYvids]

The heat of the board would have little affect on the snow melt; Im pretty sure it depends more on the force of the board hitting the snow, compressing a tiny amount of it, turning it into water.

[@aurelienyonrac]

Would a board slide better on ice, water or steam? What about all 3? You can build a hoover board using the steam from the heat.

[@Fifty_bmx]

Awesome! like the song too! ( Connor Lodes. Markit Zero BMX)

[@aurelienyonrac]

I had the same idea. Heat your snow board using capacitors. Then you hover. This is the new edge. Please. You need a team of people to build it. Then an other to sell it. Then an other to market it. And record and patten your invention. Ask electroboom for help and fun.

[@EverrollingRS]

the reason ice is so slippery is actually still not known the idea that pressure is what causes the ice to melt is a good idea but the mass to melt the snow just dose not add up the more common theory these days is that the ice crystals often leave out a few water molecules that have nothing to bond with. just saying