"Speed Test" Pyranha Scorch X VS 12R?

[@RebeccaBaltich]

This is awesome! The splits were much closer if you trim the race at the end of the competition track (and exclude the flatwater across the lake).

[@WadeHarrison]

I did notice that was like seconds closer but can tell you that it takes a lot more energy to keep that boat up to speed

[@artfisher1235]

Extremely interesting, thanks.

[@WadeHarrison]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@absoluteelectricandmainten7432]

Both are rockin’ boats! In looking at the footage from last year’s Green Race the 12Rs CONSISTENTLY rocketed through Speed Trap; when so many other boats slowed, staggered, or just got stuck. I would LOVE to paddle a 12R one day.

[@WadeHarrison]

It a very well-designed long boat! I think it's the Best out there right now!

[@alexandergonitzer2163]

Nice video really interisting. If it would be possible please test the all new exo zion slalom. I would love to buy it but there is close to none videos of it on youtube

[@WadeHarrison]

Tell those Italians to send me one here in the USA it took me forever to round up a Rexy i would love to check that Zion creeker and HalfSlice out..

[@JesseJoyceKayak]

What do you think is faster for a race between a nirvana/ any 9ft race boat vs a braaap or a ripper 1?

[@WadeHarrison]

I have paddled all those and if it's a down river race with holes and rapids the Nirvana wins but if it alot of flat water with limited rapids to go over Brappp and Ripper wins but overall the Ripper is the best all round Fast down river boat out of those.

[@FeWolf]

I do like the new boat colors. Paddle toss over the bridge would be impressive ;) I heard you ran into Pedro Beck, I mean Pete ;)

[@WadeHarrison]

LOL pedro love it! and yes that bridge toss would be beast move

[@FeWolf]

@@WadeHarrison I have been known to be a bad influence

[@pop4725]

That was a quick review

[@WadeHarrison]

It moved fast

[@RiverKingsKayak]

Good stuff!!

[@WadeHarrison]

Thanks buddy

[@joshinfwtx4506]

Interesting and fun video

[@WadeHarrison]

Was so fun paddling these out there

[@muffinking92]

Good video and cool to see the comparison. However, is this the best comparison? Question, is the X a short long boat or a long short boat? IMHO, the latter. The X definitely exists in a gray area and needs some more definition to figure out its place in the kayaking world. -First, it's not a purpose-built race boat like the 12R. Its fast but that was not its intention from its design/creator. It was designed to stay on top, skim and skip out of things. It's just a stretched M Scorch. -Second, it shares more design characteristics with the modern creeker/short race boat. With ample amounts of rocker (the most of any boat atm), a planing hull to a rockered tail, this boat fits the mold of a modern SHORT creeker/race boat way better. -Third, if you're talking the nitty gritty of length and kayak races, the X is much closer to a short boat then a long boat. 9'5'' (large Nirvana) is the longest boat allowed for NFC, and most long boat classes are 11'+. (Let's see how this changes over time ;) This is kinda like comparing a drag car to a drift car. Can they do both, sure but obviously they will be much better at what they were designed to do. If both paddled perfectly, the X has no chance of keeping up with a 12R or other long boats. However, put the X and 12R in a race on a tighter river/creek, maybe with some gates, and the X will probably do much better then the 12R. But back to the point. The comparison that would be closer would be a L Nirvana or something like a Gangsta. The X is a long short boat that is not designed to race. Getting into the weeds a little and splitting some hairs. Boil it down and it will come down to who you are paddler, what river you running and what your paddling goal is. Paddle both the X and the 12R if you have a chance, they are both great for their own reasons!

[@WadeHarrison]

I have talked to so many people that think the X is faster then the 12r in flow and want to use it as a race boat for races that are short and tight and I disagree with them i had a chance to have both boats in a controlled sitting so why not try and see what’s faster I do want to do a head to head with X vs Nirvana phantom alpha ect will see if can make that happen but still this was fun just actually putting numbers with these boats thanks for the feedback

[@muffinking92]

@@WadeHarrison oh for sure. Definitely not knocking ya for doing it. Was just trying to point out the X’s design and it’s real purpose. Because I’m with ya, everyone thinks it’s a race boat. I just wanted to clear the air and stop this idea that the X is a long boat. If people continue to think that it could stop them from hopping in a rad boat because they are expecting long boat speed. Just saying. Keep doing your thing! Look forward to seeing an X compared to other creekers.

[@WadeHarrison]

@@muffinking92 yeah buddy I’m like you it’s in a grey area at 10’ and that much rocker and width to me it bridges that gap between 9’ creeker and long boat but actually closer to a creeker then a long boat can see in the head to head video how dry and how easy the X went over things and I was taking the faster conservative lines

[@timhansen2577]

I'm new to the channel. Where is that water park?

[@WadeHarrison]

This is the Charolett whitewater center in Charolett North Carolina USA

[@mhenry1962]

My observations and opinions. First, the Scorch X is a heavy boat and takes some muscle to get moving even for you (in your fastest lap comparison, you are paddling much harder to start off with the scorch X and the 12R still smoked it) second as you mentioned, the Scorch X wants to turn and and lock in, which causes you to expend energy to keep it straight instead of propelling it forward. It's much easier to keep the12R on a line, though if you let it get offline, you'll need a bit of gusto to get it back on. I also noticed at the end of your Scorch X fast lap, you're putting a lot of effort in to finish strong where with the 12R you didn't even need to do that and you were still faster. I wonder what would happen if Pyranha made a Scorch X out of carbon fiber and maybe we could get Chris Hipgrave to do Ocoee race laps in both. :-) Love the video, Wade, going fast is my thing and these comparisons are a lot of fun and very interesting.

[@WadeHarrison]

Great observation yes It took noticeably more energy to get the X going and keep it going if it was a longer race course no way I could keep that pace and it’s the rocker that’s piled in the front which if just blasted down a river I want the X all day but this is only for the people that said it was a faster race boat what’s more fun to paddle I’m saying the X all day I love paddling that boat it my all time favorite reviewed boat so far

[@SchaeferYaks]

Is the Scorch faster than the Nirvana? Great video dude 🤙🏽

[@WadeHarrison]

I'm going to say yes but that's a test I would like to try I had a Nirvana and It was pretty fast

[@SchaeferYaks]

@@WadeHarrison I have a medium and large you could use for it 🤙🏽

[@DiscosVideos]

But only a 6 second difference for the X but you can take the X down so much more

[@WadeHarrison]

true but it was a lot more difficult to keep up to speed I don't think I would want to try a long race in it.. I still think this kayak is amazing design its brides that gap between long boat and a creek boat

[@rlpatton1970]

I’ll never for get riding up the belt there and watching a 2 inch long leech squirm up the deck of my boat 👌

[@WadeHarrison]

Oh dam I’m surprised they live in that water with all the chemicals in it now?

[@rlpatton1970]

@@WadeHarrison I think. This was Pre chemical brain eating amoeba days 🤔

[@WadeHarrison]

@@rlpatton1970 oh I believe that I went there few times when it first open it was brown

[@oscoastierob]

Next time just run Matt over when he’s slowing you down. Rubbin is racing.

[@WadeHarrison]

hahah clean passes only 😇😇

[@oscoastierob]

@@WadeHarrison I’m his big brother you have my permission to run him over.