Spicy Fanfic leads to cancellation of actor and banning of ao3 in China By Midnight Mango | REACTION

[@NotSoDailyOfficial]

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[@xiaotian.y]

Oh yea she did forget to mention that WangYiBo and XiaoZhan were not allowed to contact each other publicly anymore. Since that time they are almost never in the same space or stage, they can't even look at each other. It's really sad because they rlly were the BEST bros before the crisis. They both lost a great friend.

[@jenmiranda13]

We can only hope they contact each other privately. I doubt that will happen since they might not want to risk a leak but I feel like they should be allowed to be hang out in private

[@manu.studies96]

they are allowed, is just thar they decide not interact. theres no proibition

[@hayeck38]

i think yibo and zhan are still in contact. they even celebrated new year together and do sport like tennis together. but i think, like johnny huang and timmy xu, they wont work together again.. but who know??

[@emersowig9319]

I used to worry about it too but after having the deep research, they are still together so well so nice so sweet, I am happy for them

[@shreyashukla9833]

ya fr

[@Akia-ft1ci]

People mistake Wang Yibo reserved, introvert personality as cold and rude but tbh he is just straight forward honest he don't sugar coat to please someone and I love that about him beside he is super talented artists and humble grounded in gernal

[@aayushibanthia915]

55:33 idols aren’t responsible for their fans. Just because you are a public figure, doesn’t mean you have to take responsibility of the whole public. They just come on stage to express their art, not to make some crazy fandoms. I don’t get why idols are criticised for these toxic fans

[@ReevaC-f5x]

39:37 Oh you're soooo wrong😭😭😭 Fanfics are jus like traditional novels except their characters and events are inspired from fiction/real person.. but the writings are gold (in case of ao3)!

[@Ateezwooyoung]

Well I think if you write about real people, don’t forget that they are real. There is a line which shouldn’t be crossed. This kind of fanfics are just disgusting and disrespectful towards the actual people. Some writers completely disregard the fact that those are real people with feelings.

[@ReevaC-f5x]

@@Ateezwooyoung ah thats true.. I'm no way defending this particular fic,, but the many other fics that showcase excellent writings.. in this case I'm just asking ppl not to be biased with fic writers (there are excellent bts fics that deal with real problems in mature and responsible ways- im referring to them)

[@Unluckyar7]

It's not like people know them, they're basically just using their names to write whatever they want. If you don't agree with writing about real people than you shouldn't read the fanfic: most of Ao3 fanfic (that I've read at least) are well tagged so people shouldn't read anything that would make them uncomfortable.

[@sloopysnoopy1933]

Something that I think is very important to note as an avid A03 user (I don't ship real people), is that it is simply an archive completely run on donations. You CAN write whatever you want on there, BUT fics are supposed to be clearly tagged and marked if they contain any sensitive or morally unacceptable behavior. To read that material, you have to actively seek it out. All the original fans who reported the fic actually just brought it to the attention of the masses when it would have just been fine if they hadn't said anything. AO3 has very few rules intentionally because it is supposed to be a place where anyone can write anything, and although I do not agree with writing about illegal or inappropriate age gaps in a positive light, there are contexts where writing about them can allow for people to vent or represent their stories that they do not see in media. I feel like reporting the site did no good whatsoever because the true fault is on the reader who clicked on the fic anyway even after reading the tags first. Idk but I feel like if an author tags "inappropriate age gap" or "illegal relationship" and you read it and get mad that it contains an inappropriate age gap or illegal relationship then you need to get off the site entirely. If no tags were warning the readers of the content, then reporting the fic to the site could actually work because that one of the most important guidelines for AO3: do NOT mis-tag fics.

[@peppi7]

Yup!

[@sabrinahaqueshoily3453]

Exactly. They almost destroyed someone's life

[@shreyashukla9833]

so what they will boycott him in return

[@sloopysnoopy1933]

​@@shreyashukla9833 I'm a huge fan of mdzs and the untamed and I would never believe that this is the fault of xiao zhan ever. I think that people spreading hate campaigns against him are just as bad as the people who got AO3 banned. I only commented what I said because some people don't understand that AO3 is not advertising any fics or telling people to look at inappropriate material about real people, and that it is an archive that is an important space for authors who write only as a hobby or cannot get published due to discrimination.

[@shreyashukla9833]

@@sloopysnoopy1933 i understand

[@keirajacob1877]

The people who wanted Xiao zhan to talk about the impact of that on marginalized community are delusional because he lives in China, you want him to say sorry to something is censored by the government and it would cost him his livelyhood ... I think whatever he would have said at that moment, it would not have gone well

[@peachpanda88]

The government would have banned him themselves if he did that. Honestly he is the victim here. This is why I hate fanfiction that uses real actors name. Writing a fanfic that resembles the actor you want or you imagine the character would be like for me is fine but CHANGE THE NAME. Do not used the real actor's name. 😤

[@Acesissy1234]

​@@peachpanda88 yes real,you said it all 👏🏻

[@vivivialexa7055]

OMG YES TO WANG SICONG VIDEOS!! He’s called China’s national husband because he’s the only son of a Chinese billionaire, and this family actually owns AMC theaters. Stephanie’s Chinaverse videos are also crazy

[@hayeck38]

really!? yibo's the son of an billionnaire??

[@ayagokenyam1345]

@@hayeck38 wang sicong not wang yibo

[@hayeck38]

@@ayagokenyam1345 ooooh ok ok 😅😅

[@jow6510]

My best friend was one of the "I am a commoner, I hate Xiao" people who doesn't even use AO3. It was like a politically correct thing at the time that if you don't hate him or diss him, you are a bad one. I cannot do this not just because I watched Untamed and liked him but also because I knew he was absolutely innocent of this. I am still proud that I never followed the "mainstream" canceling him during 227 because a grown-up should have critical thinking skills and think independently.

[@sabrinahaqueshoily3453]

Same here I didn't support the crowd blindly because they were hurt. It's not my problem.

[@shreyashukla9833]

ya absolutely

[@shiber_ssi]

1:53:38 The red sea didn't last 8 seconds but it took 8 second for the arena to turn red!!

[@noshinshimu3103]

True

[@chepushil0630]

You missed the moment where author deleted all of their social media and AO3 and the fanfic included. So no, it wasn't just the fans wanting to take down this fic specifically, they already did it but didn't stop.

[@sanspotato]

I still feel bad for Xiao Zhan cause he was definitely a victim of this whole situation.

[@Ateezwooyoung]

It’s quite disgusting to make the victim apologize. To literally force the victim and then still not being satisfied. Those kind of people make the whole lgbtq community look bad.

[@Acesissy1234]

Yes, it was none of his fault , he didn't ask for this

[@Musicforlife954]

This whole incident is so ridiculous. Why the poor guy had to suffer? What's wrong with people? China is really anti-LGBTQ+ community, that's why you'll rarely see any explicit BL or even a single gay celebrity. Xiao Zhan is a very kind and talented actor; he wasn't recognized by people back then, but that doesn't mean he was the worst actor because he's not. Yes, Wang Yibo's personality is a contrast to Xiao Zhan's, but that's who he is, and his fans love him for it. Wang Yibo and Xiao Zhan were very close, and many clips from behind the scenes made people wonder why Yibo is sweet to Xiao Zhan but rude to others, which he wasn't. It's just his cold personality; no one can do anything about it. He doesn't speak much, but with Xiao, he was a non-stop talker. So I do understand the shippers, and you know what? They are not allowed to work together after this incident, no public appearance together. And the most overwhelming thing is there are still millions of fans supporting them even after 6 years (as YiZhan), their ship name. That's the impact of them & "The Untamed" on people is.

[@Sanu-oz2wq]

Still support yizhan until they can public be friends nd talk or whatsoever ❤💚

[@sabrinahaqueshoily3453]

Exactly 💯 agree

[@sz9281]

What I have come to love about Yibo is that he gives his 100% to everything people say he can't do and prove them wrong. He couldn't speak confidently so he spoke through his dance. He was called a bad actor, so he proved by being the youngest nominee for Golden Rooster awards. He never gives explainations to his actions, barely smiles or interacts. Just goes on working hard everyday..

[@RottenMangosBiss]

Stephanie’s personality from Rotten Mango to her other videos is just insane 😂 Pls react to toothpick Wu too

[@shreyashukla9833]

bro i just watched that one n this is crazy

[@Mili-mp2bo]

Also XZ was famous even before TU not huge like now but definitely not d-list actor as she mentioned. I have been following him long to know that. I love both the artists they are good in what they do.

[@Insert_handle_name]

What happened to Xiao Zhan literally brought tears to my eyes, he did not deserve any of it. He was at the peak of his career💔 His comeback live performance was gave me goosebumps! You could see how nervous he was and im soo glad that he was able go bounce back and gain his popularity once again. I still sometimes watch that live performance.❤ At that time, i was a lil mad about how his co-actors were not coming to his defence but i guess given how the netizens react, that was the right move. But a sweet friendship was ruined, a mans career was temporarily on a stand still, many companies lost money, many ppl lost their source of comfort and freedom and many ppl left with broken hearts. No body gained anything from this meaningless incident. I can’t speak much about his acting career as I’ve only watched him act in the untamed and haven’t watched any of his other series or movies but the man’s got insane talent when it comes to singing, i absolutely love his singing❤❤❤

[@Ateezwooyoung]

Some did. A lot defended him actually.

[@valeriyav2149]

I'm pretty sure anyone from the Untamed cast defending him would have made the scandal even worse. Especially Wang Yibo. I wouldn't be surprised if Xiao Zhan asked to not intervene to avoid making it worse and also not wanting to drag anyone else into this because he'd feel bad about it. Knowing how reactive CN netizens are as well toxic fandoms, it would have blown back so badly.

[@peachpanda88]

Honestly for me the controversy help remove the toxic fans in his fandom and have only the most loyal ones remain. On top of that he got the sane general public on his side. A lot of casuals in Weibo are saying the way these marginalized group treated him is insane. Many who aren't even his fans started supporting him becuase of it. His selling power is insane! Majority of his fandom are 30+ years old so they are working professionals who can afford to buy & sold out even the most expensive things he sell. It's crazy! I think in the end... it work out for him well.

[@diyah4580]

I read fanfiction a lot. Some authors are better than published authors nowadays 😅 (ao3, not wattpad)

[@adamluffias3744]

Actually the reality he gone through was exactly like the plot of the drama .how massive The Untamed was until it also impact the reality life of him.then,this is the reason why u guys should watch the drama..

[@thanhthanh8072]

You guys got to do more chinaverse videos, they all went crazy😂😂😂😂

[@fallingforwangyibohelp]

You need to understand how crazy china's fandom culture, black marketing, anti attacks, & government power over every person to understand the whole situation here.

[@Mili-mp2bo]

Xiao Zhan becomes even more immensely famous he is the artists who have most no of luxury brands as global ambassador his selling power is insane, also in my opinion ao3 is shitty lmao. They should blame govt instead of him no matter what there gov is still controlling lgbt community they don't even see them as normal human so weather XZ do something or not if anything can bring impact is those people asking fair treatment for LGBT to govt not a celebrity who f did nothing. I am happy he is doing amazing I will forever support him no matter what bcs he is talented and humble what fans do have nothing to do with him nor define him

[@strawbeare]

Unfortunately they can!t blame the government. The CCP (China’s Communist Party) is almost the equivalent of North Korea (seriously im not joking)

[@chepushil0630]

I just want to elaborate that of all fanfiction platforms AO3 is by far the most organized one. It has system, it has rules, it has legal protection team and its a very good safe place for self expression. And fanfiction from AO3 is known to be mostly of very good quality, we're talking about MASTERPIECE level works. If Wattpad is mostly for less experienced writers and just writing down your fantasies, AO3 is like next level. Of course, still a lot of poorly written stuff, but generally is more "professional". Also, all unapropriate stuff should be tagged and have warnings, so you have to CHOOSE to read it yourself, no one is making you read it.

[@noshinshimu3103]

My poor zhan ge ❤been through a lot. Glad he got what he deserves.been his fan from the very beginning 😢.so proud of him now

[@ReevaC-f5x]

1:01:31 its like when a kid goes to their strict parent to complain about the stolen candies being distributed unevenly among the kids! Like.. WHY WOULD YOU EVEN INVOLVE A PARENT IN THAT SITUATION😭

[@edgarvargas8045]

I can't help but cry every time I see that red ocean, see his face without knowing if he still had fans who will support him without knowing anything, and see his little face and hold back the urge to cry 😢 😭, Xiao Zhan didn't deserve anything from what happened to him but here he is stronger than ever ❤❤

[@okwhatever495]

The more you listen to steph babbling about Chinaverse, the more Wang Sicong name will stuck in your head 😂😂😂 and then you'll end up listening to all her gossip videos, all the mukbang videos with DanDan and then you get to know her family 😂😂😂

[@Ateezwooyoung]

I started with her mukbang videos 😂

[@Ateezwooyoung]

There is a video of him talking about it and how incredibly difficult it was for him. He suffered a lot because of this bs. When it happened I was scared he would do something stupid. It’s also „interesting“ to watch his video where he talks about the hardships during filming the untamed. Hardly getting any sleep, injuries, allergic reaction to the „rain“, his eyes are often bloodshot, because of the „rain“ and his co-actors telling him to eat, because he didn’t really eat and lost a lot of weight and he wasn’t „heavy“ to begin with.

[@koki7996]

I will always like always support him my xz is the most unproblematic person i ever see and i will always be there for yizhan no matter what ❤❤❤❤ love you and thank you and our boys are the most famous actors in china

[@nininoona]

I have to push back on one comment made in this video: "It's a fanfic. [...] its delusional." That statement, along with the previous and post statements, really undermines fanfiction as a whole. Yes, there is some really out there, really crappy fanfics available online, but that is not the majority. I've read and written many a fanfic before, and I can tell you that there are some seriously talented writers out there with some wonderfully executed storylines. I'm not here to argue the efficacy or morality of shipping real people in fanfics, I'm a "It is, what it is." type of person and can disconnect the real world implications because its FICTION, but I draw the line at people saying that its just shit writing across the board. Fanfiction is just like any other medium, any other art, it has its pro's and con's. But, to dismiss it entirely, based on anecdotal incidences of "fanfics gone wrong" (like the Twilight fanfic "Masters of the Universe" ie. 50 Shades of Gray) is to belittle a lot of real work and talent, the world over. Side Bar: The implication that fanfiction is "not real media" is insulting as hell.

[@Ateezwooyoung]

I wrote plenty of fanfics when I was younger, people loved it, I loved it, but now looking back I cringe at all of those. I should have never wrote any of those.

[@HypeGirl-ys8ob]

Yess i totally agree btw can you recommend me some of your fav fanfics pls

[@kaylahammonds2722]

To be honest, the only problem I had was the fans didn’t report the artist they didn’t report it to the creator of the website, the CEO, the people who are control, they reported it to the Chinese government. People don’t understand that AO three is somebody’s career. It can be someplace where they can get their financial income, communities for people who feel like they are not supported by the people around them. This place was so big and it’s still big all over the world but it’s been a removed from a big chunk of the world and that’s what people got mad off of. I don’t understand why they, they implanted the idol into the situation but still I partially think it was the fans who reported it fault because if they just left it alone, if they didn’t like it and just you know, reported it to the people who can particularly remove the fanfic this situation would be over an instant.

[@carolineblom6900]

All of this over a fanfic??? Wow 😮😮 I am just glad that Xiao Zhan survived this, it's crazy the guy went through all of this for just existing. He was just chilling at home during quarantine and all of this happened... The trauma I would have had.

[@sz9281]

Also, XZ is very articulate and comes across as a grounded, soft spoken and likeable person. So people love him. Even after 4 years, he is sure to make top of any list he is on..

[@Nia-jv3bz]

C-ent has the most juicy unpredictable funny scañdals u should react to more, it's even more fun then kdrama plots 🤣😭

[@wisteria2456]

so i havent finished the whole video yet im 1 hour in exactly but the biggist problem in my own humble opinion is that this was taken to the government it never should have been this is not a problem the gonvernment should be involved in especially considering chinese social media doesnt allow lgbtq+ and the government hates it this shouldve been solved with people being like "this book is not ok and should be reported oh i know lets report it" and then it gets taken down but a bunch of people took it to the internet got it on everyones "fyp" which kids are on the internet 2 so they shouldnt have done that but even worse they made was it a petition? for the government to "handle it" so a bunch of people who dont even know the story signed it im guessing this all could've been settled if someone commented something under the book along the lines of "hey author can you maybe take this down this book probably shouldnt be about a minor or maybe change the age gap?" that maybe wouldve done soemthing or they couldve reported the book so it got taken down but they went to the government with this and they maybe didnt know they were gonna take both sites down like permanently but that shouldve at least crossed theyre minds no? everyone knows the chinese government hates lgbtq+ the fact that this couldve been sovled so easily yet it wasnt makes me so angry and those ao3 and lofter useres whom werent invloved with this in the begining yes they shouldnt have gone so extreme but i understand why the did it they were most definitely panicing and once they found out theyre safe space got completly obliterated beacuse of this they were definitely infuriated still shouldnt have done what they did though

[@maro_M1636]

1 wang yibo was pop even before the untaimed 2 wang yibo also was bullied at that time thats why he didnt take any series after that untel this year after 6 years 3 yibo is not rude he is introvert thats why and he is the most actor with stalkers in china so just imagine at that age and all this happend to you

[@mehreenn]

The wang yibo and xiao zhan fan beef is still recurring, meanwhile I'm sat here as a fan of both and wait to watch their newest shows💀🙏🏻

[@dinahoshione6204]

Same

[@peyamerana5693]

Just subscribed! More untamed, XZ and WYB content to come! Thanks!❤

[@ruby_jn7]

please react to her videos about wang sicong its so fun and trust me you guys are gonna laugh and understand the jokes in her other videos when she jokes about for fun 😅❤❤❤

[@MonAhgasInsomniAroELF]

The takeaway here shouldn't be that fanfiction, even this particular one (regardless of whether people believe it was morally acceptable or not because opinions will differ) is wrong. The issue that caused this is plain and simple: homophobia. It was homophobic solo fans at the root of this. Fanfiction has existed for hundreds of years, and will continue to exist. Notably, it exists in niche pockets of the internet and you really have to seek it out to even come across it. At the end of the day, fanfiction is harmless, it does not actively hurt anyone. But homophobia ruins lives, it can literally kill people. The problem here is people like that who seek it out, and drag it out into the mainstream public in order to weaponize it to their benefit. If those "fans" had just left the fanfic alone and ignored AO3 altogether, the fanfic would have remained pretty unknown outside of a very small circle, and Xiao Zhan and Yibo would still be friends publicly to this day. It's absolutely insane that those homophobic solo fans did this, and they should always be the ones denounced for what THEY caused, not fanfiction, not even the author of this particular fic.

[@avsy.]

im a shipper haha and its rlly funny if u keep up with all the candies (clues) of them being together bc its obvious- (ofc thats my own opinion!)

[@avsy.]

i also saw the video where they said theyve been together for a year , and while stephanie says it could be a pr stunt it really did not look like it~

[@Ateezwooyoung]

@@avsy.delusional…. It’s purely pr. Seriously stop being so unhinged and delusional.

[@J_J0v0]

As a Chinese person and part of the "marginalized community" experienced 227 firsthand, I've seen countless videos both from China and from outside China talking about this, and the opinion is so polarized. Even this year on the 27th of February, Chinese netizens would still see videos about "we will never forget 227" and people would still feel uncomfortable being around fans of Xiao Zhan. It's a totally opposite reaction to like western media covering the topic. The reason why, I feel, is because of cultural differences. In China, well, in East Asian culture, fandom is completely different from the Western concept of fandom. Fandoms especially of idols, are organized communities with lots and lots of profit in them. In my experience, western fandoms are mainly about the person they like. If you like a singer, go to their concerts, buy their albums, recommend them to your friends, and that's it. In East Asian fandom, however, fan build their identity on their idols, they build their life around their idol, and no matter what people say, the reality is that idols regulate the fandom. Well, probably not the idol personally, but their agency. A lot of the "big fans" in an East Asian fan group are in charge of organizing the fans. They order normal fans to purchase merch, go to event, vote on polls, build positive image for the idol... and so on. The big fans are in direct contact with the agency, and the agency have the power and right to control the fandom. It's not an opinion, it's the reality. Some of the "big fans" are even paid by the agency to organize the fandom. There are so so SO much profit to be made in a fandom. Idol, then, in this case, is not himself, but a product of both the agency and the fandom. We, as the "commoners against Xiao Zhan", know that he himself is probably full on innocent, has nothing to do with anything, probably didn't even have a say in the matter. But he himself is not what's being targeted. It's the agency, it's his fans. In Chinese fan culture, there's no separation between fanbase and their idol, it's simply the reality. Xiao Zhan and his agency profit and benefit on their fans and others who simply are interested in their work. He got his most fame from a danmei (BL) adaptation, yet the second they got the money, they wanted to separate him from the image, and that's why "big fans" organized attacks on AO3 and lofter. They don't want him to get typecast, they want him to be mainstream. And in China, main stream male actor can't be seen as anywhere close to LGBTQ+ community. (Sorry for my grammar and weird wording and rambling, English is not my first language)

[@lxlYukilxl]

but that's still sad tho. I'm actually very happy the actor didn't commit suicide or harm himself. finding yourself hated on an intensive level for something other people did can mess up your mentality. And although that I agree that the site shouldn't be shut down, I still thing shutting down the fanfic itself is reasonable. Acting in an lgbtq drama doesn't give the right to others to write about you in messed up stories especially since it's a sensitive topic in China. And if the Chinese citizens have such power when uniting against an idol, why don't they do the same against the government, the one that actually messed it all up

[@J_J0v0]

@@lxlYukilxl I agree on the whole thing being sad part and the part about the story itself being questionable and should be taken down. However some other things aren’t that simplistic.

[@katrinascarlet5637]

Thank you for your perspective, it clarified a few things I was confused about.

[@greeshmamshaju1638]

Flirting with your bestfriend is something most of the people do... But i think the cultural differences makes things a little bit romantic ..... I mean maybe in china mostly friends are not like this.... If it is like that then it makes sense 🙌.....1:14:57 I got goosebumps and i cried for him 😭😭..... I'm a new fan of him in other words i started to admire his character recently .... It's now i learn the details about this incident and feeling bad for him.... The one who said he apologized lately should think that what if we facing this in life...Afterall he is also a human who is afraid of this kind of issues😢..... At first i think the ones who complained about the fanfiction to government should think more wisely about every possibility of this issue and it's aftereffect but we can't assure that those are really matured people maybe they had teenagers too but as for government they really can be more productive... They should make a wise decision which didn't affect other users and their rights..... The point is that people are so busy to blame each other so they didn't question government's decision and rather than boycott xiao zhan they should really focused on government's decision then things can be more perfect........ As a wise man said "whatever be the situation atlast truth and good people will win for sure ".... Xiao zhan's rise is the living example of this......I really admire his acting skill 🙌... His every role is different and challenging at the same time...The way he able to pull off every character's depth is really commendable ❤️.... He had a great chemistry with every costars on onscreen and i found it so rare 🥰🙌.......Really hoping that he can light up the world and his career in upcoming years 🥰🙌

[@Mixxielovezjiminnnn]

My Roman empire will always be the fact that Yibo and Xiao Zhan were forced to stop speaking in public, even a glance... They were victims of bad people and until now nothing more is known💔They separated two boys who created a beautiful relationship (any one they had) and that does not take away the fact that their fans are sad and do not want to remember all the suffering they had, I will always love Yibo and Xiao, who now continue with their lives and their jobs, but I will always carry the moments of the two of them with me in my heart ❤I hope one day they can talk again. They were victims of people with bad decisions ❤💚😓

[@Sanu-oz2wq]

Let's just hope yizhan to at least communicate as friends after 2027 , when they are allowed to talk, like the government literally made a big deal out of it ,like imagine yizhan was actually together for a year and loved each other so much but this incident literally tears them apart,they aren't allowed to talk for years,banned by the government nd society,literally ended their career,it must have been hell for them, they don't deserve this,this is just ridiculous💀

[@Ameowing-dog]

May i ask why is the org video now private? I want to watch on Stephanie's channel but they said it is a private video

[@_mycherie]

Same :(

[@Rizzyyep]

“Some people do not accept his apology “, what? It wasn’t even supposed to be him Aplogising to anyone he wasn’t involved in a dusts amount, I’m so happy that there’re people who supported him and made him realise he definitely was not at fault. That red ocean though 😭😭😭😭🩷 I cried , not even just teared but whole fu***** cried😭

[@geminiluv80]

Yes, Stephanie’s midnight mango, bake and a murder are funny. The Chris Wu is funny that was during her mukbang days. Stephanie is a great story teller.

[@justmaebee]

There’s so much of the Chinaverse yall have missed lol. Y’all need to like start at least from the first Wang Sicong and go from there because he’s mentioned a lot in videos after 😂😂

[@Nia-jv3bz]

XZ was not d-list actor he was pretty famous even before TU , he was main vocalist and center in his grp there was even vdo of him getting mobbed by fans before the drama. Also only one should be blamed is govt also only if they are this dedicted in demanding rights for lgbt then attcking an innocent artist it would be much better

[@rapperthv]

Poor guy, he didn't even did anything, still apologised and what he gets is people judging his apology 💀

[@aira6951]

The whole plot of this incident is literally just the plot of untamed. I can't! 😭

[@eumppagyu]

Did Stephanie private the original video? NOOOOO

[@jujusensei1]

I think for this case xiao zhan cant directly say apology because even if he succees calming down the angry netizens but he might have offended the government. Especially since he was famous for acting in bromance drama. He was a good distraction for covid era. He doesnt have strong position, good management and pr team, strong network too. Especially since he become popular too soon, many known ent company want to shot him down. He was an easy target with volatile fandom back then, now he was stronger n more stable. Although he become more exclusive n I wish to see him more in shows

[@TortugaConFe]

algo con lo que inicio en el video que fue con la aparicion de wang yibo tambien, justo en ese tiempo del 227 ellos dejaron de tener interacción en publico, en especial en uno premios de fin de año si mal no lo recuerdo , ellos estaban como si los hubieran prohibido verse o siquiera acercarse aunque solo estaban sentados 2 asientos de distancia. después del 227 ya nunca mas aparecen simultáneamente en el mismo lugar , y si son premios uno se va y aparece el otro, es un poco triste. ahora sobre los fans cada uno de ellos tiene su base de fans pero hay uno que es un fandom aparte que ama a los 2 ya sea como ship por la serie o simplemente les gusta ambos y les gusta sus trabajos. pero estos 3 fandoms no se mesclan, hay una linea muy marcada por cada fandom. algo que aprendimos en el fandom es "no te indignes en el nombre del artista" "si te gusta el artista, esta bien pero vive también tu propia vida" , ahora ellos se encargan de demandar si se sienten agraviados en internet ,los fans no tienen por que meterse, solo apoyar en su trabajo y si algo pasa hacérselos saber y ellos decidirán.

[@RottenMangosBiss]

THANK YOUUU GUYS ❤

[@Rizzyyep]

Can someone tell me if she deleted this video? , if not then can anyone tag me with the link of the video

[@mahiyasattar1010]

He is a fighter ❤❤

[@missfineplace]

damn I watched their series together I never knew this happened bro

[@independantchix]

Ok, guys, I don't usually comment on your vids (I can't remember if I ever actually have and I haven't even finished watching), but I just wanted to warn you that the way you guys keep talking about A03 and fanfics in general, is gonna have a lot of people pissed at you. A03 is a creative writing platform that millions of people worldwide use daily. The site follows few but strict guidelines and some authors do and have been reported and removed/banned from the site for not following those guidelines. One of those very important rules is "Tagging", basically the author is responsible for ensuring that whatever controversial content that MIGHT be included in their story is properly "tagged" at the very start so people don't get a nasty shock when they read. For example, if a story could potentially contain underage relationships, abusive relationships, SA, violence, child abuse, murder, illegal activities, etc....Then the author is responsible for letting the readers know at the very, very start so they can CHOOSE whether to read or not. It's not supposed to be a shock and if you don't support what's written, you can just not read it. It is a place where many, many authors (myself included) go to practice their writing and storytelling skills. The people who use the site go there to find escape, comfort and release from all the shit humans go through on the daily. True, there are a lot of very shit stories, poorly written and terrible to try to get through all the confusion that it creates (and, yes, there are THOUSANDS of stories about relationships with minors that also exist on the platform, this fanfic was not unique in any sense, unfortunately).....But there are also wonderful stories, golden gems that people even print out, bind and make a hard copy book version to keep in their libraries. Yes, there are amazing fanfics and writers on there too. I understand that you might not be familiar with the platform, but it's a matter of respect, please don't make generalised statements like "fanfics can't be taken seriously" or that "all fanfics are confusing in nature" or even "there is no moderation of the site", because it isn't true and it comes off as ignorance. It would be like saying content creators and KZbin reactors do not have or cannot have real jobs. Which is incorrect since doing the things you guys do takes a lot of work sometimes. It's the same for fanfic writers. YiZhan forever ❤

[@Kuro00neko]

Hey, there are good fanfics, not all are rpf. And most of the world 's literature started as fanfics

[@jlvv_1]

Yes..fans love to assume and fantasies to fulfil their own shipper heart.. they make their assumptions as "facts" it's crazy. Leave XiaoZhan and Yibo alone 🥲 anyhow, the Bts of untamed is actually fun.. I love it despite the big age gap, Xiao Zhan and Yibi could get along well.

[@Ateezwooyoung]

6 years is literally not much. My parents had a nine years age gap.

[@rishikamathur6049]

Sad part is both the actors are banned to meet in public..this fanfic ruined thr friendship as well.

[@Ateezwooyoung]

This is what happens when people cross the line. When they forget that those are real people. As a former fanfic writer, I highly suggest to take more consideration in that fact and show more respect towards the REAL people you write about.

[@MonAhgasInsomniAroELF]

The fanfic isn't what did this. Homophobic solo fans are to blame. Put the blame on the morons responsible.

[@Akia-ft1ci]

Chineese govt being anti LGBT have nothing to do with XZ or his fans ( yes some overreacted but again those ff are really something else ) I have seen delulu fans started h8ting celeb over ff started thinking its real etc. there are so many things C-govt ban they literally banned a celeb just for attending a private show so yeah. XZ was famous before TU become huge after TU and now after this 227 he becomes unstoppable. Will always support him and his work no matter what.

[@antidave]

XZ is very supportive of LGBT+ folks and their rights though lol If the fans hadn't spammed the gov then it wouldn't of been banned in the first place. It's quite delusional to be this supportive. Just skip the fic and move on.

[@serenity-13]

you guys should do the video on kris wu next!

[@sz9281]

The fandoms are like a cult groups. They are organized to a level you can't imagine. Millions of people put their mind collectively to promote or blacklist something for their idol. It's crazy. The idols know what their fandoms are working on and generally the idols studio pass on message to the bigger groups if they want to stop something ir the idol himself can stop the fandoms action by a single post. But for whatever reason XZ did nothing. Also, though he was idle for 10 months, he gained worldwide popularity because of 227. So it turned out good for him in the end.

[@Sera-vq1my]

Lets be honest Xiao Zhan was the biggest victim in this guy did nothing and get dragged almost whole career renuied. Those people can find novels even another app to read lgbt story etc also it's govt who is anti LGBT and yes some fans were too much should have been more mindful then again ff culture is kinda unhinged and t0xic people literally h8 and fight over it started become delulu thinking its real. I am happy that he even become more better bigger and success now.

[@antidave]

No one thought the fanfic was real. Some Xiao fans were delusional and thought reporting it to the government would change shit but it doesn't it only got the site banned which is a big yikes. And just embarrassing.

[@Sera-vq1my]

@@antidave u dk how delulu shippers can be lmao there is artists who get deàth thréats bcs some thoughts he is coming between there ship etc fan and shipping culture is very t0xic. Yes I agree on reporting to govt was too much but again I am not talking about them I am talking about h8 XZ get was unfair it's govt who handle it poorly imagine how much it would have impacted his mental health specially one of most sensitive time as c0vid what if he went depressed commit s**de etc. what some fans did was stupíd but what those nez did was even more cruél no matter what u can't drag innocent man give déath thréats and ruin someone career that they build with so much sacrifices and hard work.

[@Nsfw_tw]

To put it simply, fanfictions is the corn field for fans.. hotter than "50 shade of grey", it's basically YouCorn/OF but in writing.. it's just so wild if you not filtered it.. they used real names for the characters but the storyline is completely fictional.. for fans, we know it fictional, but for someone who doesn't know what is fanfictions, they thought that was real events..

[@Ateezwooyoung]

1:04:27 I don’t think the „marginalized group“ had any right to complain. I get they found people there, they could relate and all that, but solely rely on one or two sites on the internet? And quite obviously they were lying also, they didn’t just have those two sites, they quite obviously were able to Organise themselves without those two sites. They didn’t need those sites to come together and form a hategroup. And forcing him to apologize, he was literally the only victim in this whole situation, and still not be satisfied? All of that just made the lgbtq community worse in the eye of the public, they didn’t do themselves a favor with this. On top of all that, Zhao and Wang are even forbidden to interact with eachother, especially in public. They were so close and now the company forced them to ignore eachother. It’s just disgusting.

[@leslust]

They had the right to complain, but they complained to the wrong person.

[@joshuanahwa]

Xiao zhan ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@TheMissCareless]

Please react to more videos from this channel aka midnight mango! They’re so much more light hearted and fun to react to

[@Kellyshiii]

Thank you for your reaction, I hope you continue uploading your reactions to The Untamed, although the special effects are not the best, the story is great!! really love this show.

[@avsy.]

47:58 that fanfic was so wrong on so many levels

[@randhelsoriano9418]

She forgot to narrate wang yibo is also there in the show as MC.

[@jessicaatina8536]

1:01:30 bookmark

[@fara750]

Yesss thank you guys finally I’ve been waiting since you uploaded it in patreon , am also hoping for you to upload the untamed TikTok compilation 🥹 , honestly am so desperate for any TU content🥲.

[@sandyzhao2706]

I love xiao zhan and wang yibo!!!❤

[@joshuanahwa]

The untamed still my favourite 🥺

[@enziorobin]

Imagine describing fanfiction as “something someone just came up with” and then saying it’s not like “real media”. I’m sorry, as a writer, “real media” is just “something someone just came up with”. Fanfics often don’t have the same work a book does because it’s serialized. You upload one chapter at a time. Books you need to finish all, including getting the opinions of an editor and the final approval of a publisher. Looking down on all of fanfiction because it’s not “real media” so you can’t take it seriously shows you’ve likely never read fanfiction beyond the most cringy stuff that get shared around other social media to make fun of. Sorry for sounding confrontational, I always write comments never expecting them to actually be read so apologies for how rude I sound.

[@kaylabrown9090]

Ngl I think it's crazy to go from good they should ban the app to oh it's not fair to cancel h they escalated the same way both were in the wrong tbh they could've just reported the book to Ao3 and it would've been taken down but they went to the government which sucks and the people who lost their platform blamed a innocent man and I get why cause how else would they hurt the people who hurt them but it's still wrong of them to do that he was innocent just like they were innocent.

[@moonwake9330]

I always find people talking about fanfic and what they find "wrong" or "taking it too far", interesting because if sex wasn't involved the opinions would drastically change. People say writing fanfics with illegal relationships (or as simply put, an adult and a child having sex), is wrong because that is a crime and wrong in real life. So if we take that logic anything that is a crime in real life (i.e. cannibalism, murder, graphic violence, torture, kidnapping/abduction, etc.- i could go on for ages..), should not be written because they are wrong and a crime in real life. Majority of the popular shows and movies we love today, that aren't fanfics would be wrong, with this logic. There's definitely a way to explore and write about themes in an educational or interesting way, but at the end of the day, this is fanfiction, and not every writer is going to write that way (especially if it's non profit and just for personal writing, that you want to share with others). Ao3 has a tagging system for a reason. I never visit the underage tag, because that's something I have completely no interest in. Same with the major character death tag, and so many more. It's all about freedom of choice and speech on Ao3. There are plenty of people who think writing about sex at all is wrong (especially if it's about real people) doesn't matter if it isn't anything illegal like pedophilia, which is why censoring happens. And that is why Ao3 was created in the first place, for a place for fanworks to exist without any censoring. Also ao3 is an archive, not a social media platform. reddit and tiktok, and all these other social media platforms (wattpad included) have stricter guidelines, and rules, that cause people to have to censor. Unlike ao3, which is not a social media platform. it is an archive. so no censoring of any kind is needed. The only time people could have their fics taken down, is if they tag incorrectly, or are posting non fanworks (besides original works/stories). And there's another argument I want to make, but I feel like I spoke enough for tonight.

[@NotSoDailyOfficial]

Difference is the glorification. If the main story is a love story between a minor and an adult then yeah it’s wrong to write about it tf? 😂 if the story contains everything you just listed it doesn’t make it wrong as long as it’s not glorified by the protagonists. Stories can obviously use any elements they want but if it’s messed up things then make sure it’s the antagonists doing it. Anybody has the freedom to write whatever they want but if it’s weird or perverse don’t be surprised people don’t want it around and react negatively 👍🏻

[@moonwake9330]

@@NotSoDailyOfficial edited my comment as i was watching so idk if you saw that, but my point still stands, because like i said there are still plenty of movies and shows that some could argue glorify things like graphic violence and murder, and things like that, it may be more subtle sometimes (not all the time, sometimes it's very blatant) but it's definitely there, and people LOVE those shows and movies. And like i said, and like you said, it's fanfiction. fiction,. it's in the name. none of it is real, and i'm not saying people can't have a negative reaction to the things they don't agree with, but my point is the point of ao3 is freedom of expression, and as long as nothing illegal is actually happening irl, policing people and the stuff they write or read that you (or the majority) don't agree with on a platform that was made to stop people from censoring in the first place, makes no sense. That is why so many chinese ao3 users suffered. because people felt the need to police something, that they made the choice to read. if it was up to the majority what was and what was not allowed to stay on ao3. almost everything on ao3 would be taken down. Like i said, the most basic rule on ao3 is "don't like, don't read". you don't want to read anything with rape, underage sex, pedophilia, etc? then filter it out, or ignore it. ao3 is not a social media platform, it's not going to show up on a for you page by chance or something.

[@iqravk97]

I'm just curious. does Kevin have girlfriend???

[@NotSoDailyOfficial]

Yes he does 👍🏻😄

[@Helen-vr5vm]

You should listen first and comment after. Different worlds.

[@NotSoDailyOfficial]

Hb you fuck off, different worlds 👍🏻

[@kyragracesasa9898]

Please react to the unreal life of wang sicong next please🙏

[@YellowChick-rp1ef]

Wang suttonn plsss ❤❤❤

[@zeenblue]

Click bcuz Xiaozhan lol

[@zyzizi9687]

Next pls *Two Girls Accidentally K1lled Kim Jong Un's Older Btother Thinking It Was A KZbin Prank*

[@ksmyle352]

My poor Xiao Zhan has suffers alot.....

[@riana8829]

my only comment...you guys never heard of larry stylinson fanfics? I understand it is disgusting and what's written are questionable but it's a fanfic. The authors aren't actual writers they're probably in high school and shit. It's not that serious, it only is if your treat it like it's actual literature. If it was published, fine. That's questionable, report the publisher. but it's not. It's supposed to only be in web, and just in web. Most people who read fanfic understand that some of the things there are unhinged. Also... you guys never heard of VPN??

[@zeenblue]

Reaction The Untamed pls

[@leslust]

y’all annoyed me with some of the comments y’all made about Ao3.

[@LoveShineLikeLemon]

Please react to Word of Honor

[@Ateezwooyoung]

Gosh you talk way too much and then complain „what’s going on? I want to know how it got to this point“

[@scorpiongurlz89]

This is my honest personal opinion. I don't love the drama The Untamed. I do love the novel though. To me, the drama didn't really depicted the novel in the same vibe. And I don't mean the boy love to the brotherly love, I mean the way every single characters was depicted. I just don't get the same vibe as the novel.

[@NotSoDailyOfficial]

LOWVIES, OUR REACTION TO THE FIRST 3 EPISODES of THE UNTAMED (EP.4 COMING LATER TODAY) ARE AVAILABLE ON PATREON UNDER THE DIAMOND TIER AND ABOVE!! WE WILL ALSO BE POSTING THE UNTAMED ON YT, BUT WITH ALTERATIONS. THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING. CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW www.patreon.com/posts/ep-1-untamed-102670237?Link&

[@ShivaShakti89073]

Bro when u r going to upload with alterations???

[@lordj1339]

I hope you also have a tier exclusively for The Untamed.

[@NotSoDailyOfficial]

In the coming week 👍🏻

[@NotSoDailyOfficial]

This was voted by our Patreons into the diamond tier so unfortunately as of right now itll be bonus content for our diamond patrons 😄 we can’t do exclusive tiers for every drama we watch so this is our system. $5 tiers get 1 show a week, gold gets 2, diamond gets 3, ruby gets 4 plus other perks. We don’t fully decide what show goes where we leave them up to a vote

[@eathikun]

can y'all react to the evil korean middle schoolers one by rotten mango??