*SPIDER-MAN 3* broke my brain...

[@dandotvid]

You can't blame Bernard. He's just living by the family motto: Don't tell Harry.

[@thestunner31615]

Hahaha

[@marianinfor2424]

Agree

[@sebasfl.22]

He was hoping to spare Harry the pain of knowing who his father truly was and his actions.

[@marcw6875]

Somewhere in the mansion, there's a crest that says "Don't tell Harry" in Latin.

[@michaelwolfe9496]

The re-cut handled that scene so much better, by keeping Bernard as far away from it as possible.

[@markadams9473]

The symbiote stole attributes from Spiderman, including memories. That's why he has similar abilities to Spiderman.

[@Ben_Kimber]

It copies the attributes and abilities of its host, and also enters their mind. In one of the comics, the canon reason why Venom is insane is because its first host was Deadpool, who actually just wanted to replace his suit, then realized that it was alive and also in his mind. Actual dialogue from that comic after having the suit on for a minute or two: "YEEEOOWW!" "Wedgie-sense...tingling. I...gotta get this thing off of me!" "I can feel it...like a living thing...in my head...feeding on my own thoughts..." "...And that's just not fair to do to a sentient life-form." "Gee...I hope communicating with my brain doesn't mess this thing up!" "Whatever it is...I'd hate to think my twisted psyche might have driven it nuts or something!" And its very next host was Spiderman.

[@jamoretz9149]

@@Ben_Kimber venom or the black suit came in secert wars as a gift from the Beyonder and Spider-man # 300 in the 80's spidey is the first host in the comics not deadpool

[@dennislopez1272]

@@jamoretz9149 I have the Secret Wars run of comics myself. I have stuff going back to the 70s. Never heard of Deadpool having the suit first. I haven't collected in over 20 years so if someone retconed it I wouldn't know.

[@Ben_Kimber]

@@jamoretz9149 I dunno then. I just watch videos about comics, and there were a few that talked about Deadpool being Venom's first host in one of the comics. The only comic book I have ever owned was about "Blue Devil". Considering the fact that it showed the event that made him the Blue Devil, I assume it must have been the first one, but I have no clue. I don't even remember what happened to that book. I think the villain he faced in that book was "Shockwave". Edit: I don't know if it was the first one or not. The exact cover I remember is from "Blue Devil (Canadian Edition) #2 FN".

[@chaduskoski5647]

@@Ben_Kimber Comics do a thing called "retroactive continuity", aka retcon. Start with a story from thirty years ago that does its thing and explains everything just fine (Spidey gets the suit in Secret Wars). Then in the present day, a writer does a new story that changes events in the original (Deadpool's Secret Secret Wars retells Secret Wars with Deadpool involved, during which he gets the suit first). It's actually on full display in this movie when they cram Sandman into Ben Parker's death scene. It's considered part of continuity, but the new elements are added retroactively. Kinda annoying IMO, but comics do what comics do.

[@FilmHaze]

Natalie: *mocks the entire movie* Bully Maguire: I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye.

[@josephmiller4526]

Swear, she was hating on it from the beginning.

[@Aro7241]

@@josephmiller4526 Her's probably was the best reaction to this movie on the internet

[@knight4iam]

@@josephmiller4526 At the beginning of Spiderman 2 she said her boyfriend told her they were cheesy.... so all through both films all she saw was cheese. She started laughing at the opening credits and didn't stop until the closing ones... And Spiderman 2 is said to be one of the best superhero movies.

[@aerthreepwood8021]

It's a supremely mockable movie. I love the first two (and everything else Sam Raimi has done), cheese and all, but this one is real not good.

[@marcw6875]

Spider-Man 3 deserves most of the mockery. Just because a ton of funny memes came out of Bully Maguire doesn't mean the movie wasn't sub-par compared to the previous installments. lol

[@36moshpit7]

As a kid, I remember being conflicted about Gwen; I was really attracted to her, but she was messing with Peter and MJ's relationship. Now as an adult with perspective, I can safely say Gwen did absolutely nothing wrong, and is a goddang role model.

[@luisf2793]

She also directs the cool episodes on the Disney Plus shows

[@smileyhappyface5864]

I agree, 100%.

[@liamisaac1152]

I kind of like that she didn’t play into the cliche other woman role, I honestly thought she would be a mean girl type going after Peter. But she was actually nice, even apologized to MJ when she didn’t do anything wrong

[@GRedgold]

Natalie: Peter has not apologized for a single thing in the entire film, and he has SO much to apologize for. Peter: I forgive you.

[@RenegadeGunn]

"Shouldve never hurt you said those things" You dont called that apology?

[@Karma-pq9fi]

@@RenegadeGunn I mean people misunderstanding this movie is pretty common at this point you just accept it.

[@bergkatze3186]

You want forgiveness? Get religion

[@Graphaeli]

@@bergkatze3186 W

[@You-Tube-n5k]

While he has technically apologized in this movie, it's super hilarious how unempathetic Peter can get as a whole

[@JonesTake]

Natalie forgetting Peter kept his promise to Harry's father of not telling him is hilarious

[@a_fine_edition2746]

I’ve seen a lot of people forget about that, honestly.

[@VidsfromBelring]

Truth be told that’s such a stupid promise, I would’ve snitched frame one, ur dad tried to murder your then gf and was okay with killing you at the unity day festival 💀

[@JonesTake]

@@VidsfromBelring Back then, Peter wasn't aware of his split personality and it came and went until it was too late. It would've made things harder trying to explain that without exposing himself as Spider-Man.

[@VidsfromBelring]

@@JonesTake the exposing his identity sure would’ve been hard but he also could’ve brought Norman’s body with the suit or made something traceable to Norman or something. That’s definitely more contrived admittedly, but also Peter in general could’ve saved his best friend from himself, he already knew he wasn’t doing so well and unhealthily obsessed with Spider-Man.

[@JonesTake]

@@VidsfromBelring Peter's emotional awareness was damn near obsolete, it's what created the rift between him and MJ in the 3rd installment, which in turn allowed her to be seduced by Harry's nice charms. Though I think she only liked Peter more cause he was Spider-Man and she fell for Spider-Man so when she found out, it became it easier for her to choose him, which is also very shaky ground for a relationship, something they addressed in Tom Holland's Spider-Man Far from Home, when Michelle suspected and confronted Peter and he asked her that specific scenario. Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man never really developed that awareness to be empathetic.

[@alexandrelima3697]

“She is too good for you” referring to the woman who left Harry for his best friend, almost married a guy just to forget about Peter, played the poor guybto the point of making him kiss her spiderman style, tried to convince Peter to kiss her whileshe was with that guy, left this poor guy at the altar then got mad cause Peter couldn’t listen to her crying cause he had to save lifes

[@perrywinkle5000]

Female in-group preference is strong. Lol.

[@winshalifoe]

i mean- later in the video she did say she’s awful come on now

[@anantsharma6365]

Not to forget she ws with Flash when he ws the cool alpha male of the school, & left him fr the rich guy (Harry) as soon as the school finished, even though she didn't have any feelings fr Harry Norman ws the villain but he wasn't wrong about her

[@maelpsng]

*This.*

[@lisamarieligreci-newton7804]

She flat out calls her on all those things.

[@flowman5383]

Me as a 9 year old leaving the theatre: “That was pretty good.” Me a few years later once I kinda understood what makes a movie good: “Spider-Man 3 sucks.” Me as an adult: “This movie is legendary and Bully Maguire is my spirit animal.”

[@thestunner31615]

Lmao

[@roxas4]

Me as a 13 year old leaving the theater: "Wow that sucked" Me as an Adult: "Wow, that sucked even more than I remembered"

[@zack8865]

@@roxas4 me: "wow nobody asked."

[@BlargeMan]

I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye

[@majimasmajimemes1156]

@@roxas4 Gonna cry?

[@Madderthanjoker]

If you look into the behind the scenes of this movie, it was a cluster fuck before production even began. The dude that insisted on adding venom literally derailed Raimi's initial vision.

[@SwollenBits]

“She’s to good for you” she literally cheats on someone in every movie

[@bullymaguire7503]

Good point

[@zeeo3147]

Fr tf

[@franingegnieri1831]

And he cheats on her on the third one, they're both awful 🤣

[@X_Juice_X]

@@franingegnieri1831 They are both terrible I won’t deny that, but Mary Jane got Peter 3 to 1.🤣

[@Karma-pq9fi]

Who does she cheat on in SM1? Harry only wanted to be with her to impress Norman. I’m SM2 she only dated the astronaut then left him. The only time she cheats is in this movie and she immediately regrets doing it.

[@TA3DArtist]

Bryce was so underused in this film. She did a great job at portraying Gwen though.

[@Nikowgreek]

Become one hell of a director tho

[@SasukeUchiha-qz3xy]

Emma stone is way better

[@jstarwars360]

Say what you will about The Village but it used her well.

[@Nikowgreek]

@@jstarwars360 never even heard of tbh

[@sgsnake2x]

@曼萨德 she should have been black cat

[@r-giireactions2235]

I mean, to be fair, all Peter Parker knew was that Mary Jane had one bad review, he didn't know that they fired her. Obviously, he could have been more sympathetic, but he'd been hated by the media for so long, he probably had grown desensitized to it. He believed in Mary Jane, and he couldn't possibly understand that things might not work out for her (they had for him after all, why not her), so he really believed it was just a minor setback, and when it passed, it'd not matter anymore, because things would work out. Yes, he should have been more considerate of her feelings in the moment, and he did get caught up in his own fame, but I think that's just him being dorky, oblivious Peter Parker, deep down, I think he still cares for her, he just lost sight of her personal journey, and became distracted by his own.

[@lainwakura]

"If he plays the spider-man theme song, I'm gonna kill him" that really made me laugh 😂😂

[@maurobianchin8862]

To be fair, Harry is the only character with an actual arc in the 3 movies, while Peter and MJ just go in circles.

[@Karma-pq9fi]

You’re joking right? PETER didn’t have an arc? You mean the Spider-Man who has more development than all of them that Peter? Do people actually watch these movies?

[@maurobianchin8862]

@@Karma-pq9fi At least to me it feels like the Peters from the end of all 3 movies are basically the same person, they would act in the same way in any scenario. Harry starts as a party boy with an inferiority complex, then he becomes head of a corporation and an avenger of a father who just abused him (basically he tries to become his father), then he gives up his life to save Peter (the one who made him feel inferior AND the one who he blames for his father's death). We see Peter experiencing a lot: he loses someone (Ben, Otto, Harry), learns to "not be selfish" and to use his powers for good (Wrestler, retired, black costume), and "gets the girl" (MJ) in every movie in different orders, that's his Arc (circle). He learns to let go of his desire for revenge against the one who killed Uncle Ben in Movie 1 AND 3. Peter changes inside every movie but not over the course of them, I think? If you were to skip Movie 2 the only one that would look weird based on how he acts would be Harry. He alone has an Arc that spans all 3 movies. At least that's how I felt watching them (years ago).

[@Karma-pq9fi]

@@maurobianchin8862 Harry starts as someone who wants to impress his father which is why he dates MJ. Losing his father made him want to take up his fathers business but also find Spider-Man who he thinks kills his father. He then learns what his father did/was. In the end Harry learns and realizes that Peter and MJ are long life friends. Even if they tried to hurt each other they had to forgive themselves and move on. You said “the one that made him feel inferior” they both hurt each other on purpose revenge that’s literally the whole point. Harry himself didn’t want to believe his father killed himself but all the evidence pointed to it but he had it put into his head that he needed revenge. What happened to Peter in Spider-Man 1 had 0 to do with not being selfish it was taking responsibility. Taking responsibility for the powers that were put on him nothing about that says anything about selfishness. “Gets the girl in every movie” he only gets MJ in 2 and they are together in 3 but they have relationship problems like any other couple that exists on earth. He didn’t learn to let go of revenge in 1 what? The robber died he got what he wanted how is that letting go of revenge in anyway? He didn’t kill the robber but he’s dead. SM1 had literally 0 to do with revenge. I really think you need to rewatch these movies SM1 was about Peter taking responsibility responsibility for having to power to do the things no one else could the responsibility to bare the burden of Norman Osborn. The responsibility of protecting Mary Jane by pushing her away in his mind. SM2 is about Peter accepting the two sides Spider-Man and Peter and learning that even if he wants something (a normal life, a girlfriend, to do well in his class, show up on time, be a good friend) he has to do the right thing. To be a hero he has to give up the dreams he wants and endure. He was struggling to keep his lives separate but in the end accepted both Which also parallels with Otto. In the end even tho Peter went through all of those things he actually got a break and MJ accepted him and he accepted her. SM3 is about revenge and forgiveness for pretty much every character they willingly hurt each other and bottled up all their emotions. Peters actions resulted in created many lasting problems MJ, Harry, Eddie, Gwen. Venom itself is like a metaphor for that revenge pushing his emotions to the extreme. He learns that to move on he has to accept the things he has done and forgive himself. It’s what Harry, MJ, and Peter do at the end they forgive themselves then they forgive each other. This also extends to Sandman which is one of the most powerful scenes in the whole movies where Peter forgives him. The scene is interpreted as Peter just being a hero and heroes have to forgive. He sees that he isn’t perfect and he makes mistakes and does awful things he sees Marco’s side. All of this is character progression he learns 3 different lessons in every movie. He took the responsibility but the responsibility was eating away at him. He accepted responsibility and both halves of his life which in turn made him cocky and think he could do anything he want. Which then made it for more easier for the symbiote to take control. You could say he learns that responsibility and giving up his dreams doesn’t automatically make him perfect he can still slip up. All of that is progression now where is he relearning the same lesson.

[@maurobianchin8862]

@@Karma-pq9fi I never looked at Peter's journey that way... Now that you point all that out I can see it a bit, thanks. Probably this movies just didn't resonate well with me at the time (sometimes it just happens with forms of art). As for the robber that killed Ben, it seems I confused SM1 origin story with some other adaptation, sorry about that, it's been years.

[@sephence]

Tobey's Peter really isn't a bad person he's just insanely dense and lacks social skills, so its actually pretty faithful to the character u can tell by how oblivious he constantly looks and acts, he doesn't intend to be a "jerk" he's just extremely awkward and doesn't realize

[@keinyihernandez]

Peter is not a bad person at all, he is exactly alike to superman, pure of heart, genuine, humble and a good person. This girl didnt watch this movie and so didnt you, she doesnt even know what the symbiote is, it is species of extraterrestrial parasitic life forms who control its hosts or lives in harmony, the moment peter touched, it binded itself to peter and started to change him, but as peter was a noble person and super strong of character for his principles as spiderman the symbiote had trouble trying to convert him in a horrible person and the fully for of venom where venom could take fullcontrol, but it was achieving it until peter snap out of it, The girl doesnt have the slightest idea of the movie she watched , the thing is that venom influences the host to kill and be aggressive which while Eddie doesn’t have a problem with it and is inmedeately turned in a full capacity, Peter does, so he would constantly be at odds with Venom for the radical changes in attitude.

[@jc50]

Wasn't the symbiote (Venom) with Peter since the beginning of the movie. The carelessness, arrogance, inattentiveness, ire, and overall unlike Peter's demeanor could easily be understood as the symbiote's influence; unless you think it has been waiting with bated breath hidden in his room patiently with no input since Peter accidently picked it up; like a good symbiote boy. How easily Peter background is forgotten, the moment he shows his flaws, as if the need to vent is more cathartic than the memories of Peter's true motives. Not even Aunt May's vouching for him could stop the causal emotional train.

[@TheOnlyHeero]

The most memeable Spider-Man movie

[@slowbro173]

Is there a more memeable movie in general? Maybe Star Wars 3?

[@The_Phantasm]

And also the worst one.

[@TheOnlyHeero]

@@The_Phantasm nah

[@The_Phantasm]

@@TheOnlyHeero Spider-Man, not Star Wars. And before you say anything else, Sam Raimi himself has said that the movie is awful.

[@TheOnlyHeero]

@@The_Phantasm ok that’s my opinion

[@ConnorDoubleYou]

For the longest time I hated how lame emo-Peter was, but I only recently realized that he's supposed lame because that's what dorky Peter thinks a cool person is 😂

[@ZimtPorridge]

Thank you. People hate on or make fun of these scenes for being cringey. But they're SUPPOSED to be cringey!

[@BrianNIL]

I had the same experience and you're absolutely right. The movie doesn't make this clear and it could have easily been set up with a moment or two of Peter admiring some emo rockstar. Like maybe when Peter attends the play this emo rockstar is also in attendance and Peter comments about how cool he is, then it makes sense that he later emulates him.

[@waldoman7]

That makes it worse? I mean you COULD make it funny of you played it right, but they played it as wrong as possible.

[@waldoman7]

@@ZimtPorridge it's not a good cringey. It's out of touch, and also conflicts with the vibes and messages of the trilogy so far. You could potentially make good comedy out of it, but the directing here is douchey and lame.

[@beetlebob4675]

@@waldoman7 Cool story bro. I think it's fun cringe. Gonna "yeah but" all of us in the comment section until someone has a born-again experience from merely glimpsing your compelling prose? Lol let people enjoy shit, dude.

[@djfrankster1737]

No matter what, the memes and the funny dumb scenes, Tobey is and always has been a great actor. Dude nailed the scenes with that different and cocky persona especially. Iconic Spider-Man.

[@arianedealswithsocialanxie8170]

"WHAT IS HAPPENING?!" is an accurate and vindicating reaction! This was so cathartic to watch, thank you for sharing this with us!

[@esl4058]

For me the scene with Peter dancing on the sidewalk makes me genuinely laugh out loud. I live in nyc and the number of times you see some idiot being ridiculous on the sidewalk is beyond count. It just cracks me up to think that for that moment, Peter was being “that guy” and the looks all the women are giving him. Lmao

[@MatthewMortensen1]

"You guys all just suck." is the most accurate description of this movie ever spoken.

[@anasnayyar4069]

"Yeah Great!"

[@yu_naan]

Stings, doesn’t it?

[@dovelove5427]

Gonna cry?

[@KingsBard]

Everyone but Sand Man sucks

[@Karma-pq9fi]

I forgot this day and age you can write characters with flaws they all have to be perfect.

[@KitZunekaze]

From the perspective of a Spiderman Comicbook fan: This movie tried to do too much, and sort of jammed a million pages of source material into one film. I respect what they were TRYING to do, and had they managed to pull it off, at the time, it would have been groundbreaking to see source material so closely guarded and used to inform the movie. These days we have the MCU to compare to, which has absolutely figured out the formula of how to put the comics on the big screen, and it involves NOT trying to jam it all into one movie, but to serialize the movies and make it so that you "can't miss" an episode of the MCU. But to help clarify a laundry list of things they tried to do in this movie, but fucked up: -Gwen Stacy is supposed to be Spiderman's first girlfriend. He's always loved MJ as the girl-next-door but she was always living her own life. -MJ married Jameson's son in the comics too who is a whole other complicated character with a deep storyline that involves him doing many space-bound hero antics. He returned from a space mission with the Symbiote (Venom) stowing away on his ship. This movie sort of failed to make that connection. -Eddie Brock is another complicated character, he's a tough reporter who likes to dig into deep stuff and it gets him in trouble, legally and with villains etc. In the comics he's kind of a big tough-guy and not... topher grace-y at all. Long story short Spiderman puts him in jail, and Eddie Brock spends his WHOLE time stewing on how much he hates Spiderman and focuses on "When I get out I'mma kill him." enery. Works out, gets swole. Ties into next point. -The Black Suit spiderman was a huge series and arc in the comics where spiderman became darker and edgier and was more of an anti-hero doing more violent and over-the-top Punisher-level crime fighting. The suit made ALL of his abilities stronger, which the movie didn't convey well. He learns it's the symbiote that Jameson's son brought back, and manages to rid himself of the black suit and return to being himself. The suit however wants revenge against spiderman for rejecting him. He finds Eddie Brock in prison and fuses with him to use Eddie's anger to hunt down spiderman as the villain Venom. -Sandman is a WHOLE villain with his own arc. This movie kinda did him dirty. They just straight up ret-conned him into Uncle Ben's murderer to fit with the comics and give spiderman a complicated narrative where he might want to kill Flint. This arc was just so badly handled. -Topher Grace Venom is .... AWWWWFUL. Venom is one of the most popular character in the spiderman continuity and fans hated this version of venom. He was soft, had very weak motivations and basically just came off as a creepy space alien. -Spiderman and MJ get married, and Gwen is more... acceptably out of the picture in the comics. It was a truly amazing comic moment that Peter and MJ got married. This movie made it look like 'Great MJ just settled for this abusive asshole who literally hit her (with super-strength) in the same movie. Yay, so happy for them >.> -Harry. There's so much gone wrong with Harry's story in this movie. But they were trying to fix and retcon the earlier movies to be more comic-accurate.. and it just really didn't work with the story they already set up. In the comics Norman and Harry Ozbourne work often together as villains, and the relationship they have with Peter is deeply tragic. There's much more but you get the point. They were trying REALLY hard to fix / force the comic continuity into the films. I don't know the inside story as to why this happened... I imagine there was a lot of pressure to appease the fans and give them everything. Black Suit spiderman, Venom, Sandman, Harry Ozbourne, Gwen Stacy, MJ... They took on too much and failed to deliver. Of course we got a great meme of a movie, a legendary piece of bad film that'll stay in our hearts. The MCU learned from this, i believe. What would be the MCU in the future is when these mistakes would be treated with better respect. It's okay to set something up for a later movie, and to leave viewers in the dark if they didn't see the lead-up. That's serialization and it works for comic book movies, because that's how comic books are. Spiderman should have gotten the black suit in the last movie, maybe. When his powers were failing, that would give him a great motivation to accept the black suit's powers and get addicted to it and all that. Then we'd see it pay off in this movie when it turns out it's effecting who he is, and altering his mood... but as you noticed... he was ALREADY being a piece of crap in this movie before the black suit showed up. Anyway, gigantic info dump, just wanted to throw in an... explanation about everything you screamed "WHY!?!" at in this movie. Onward to the Andrew Garfield movies. They have their own problems, but I honestly think they went in the right direction... They just kinda messed up different aspects. But it all pays off when we get Underoos! in the MCU.

[@Karma-pq9fi]

Considering the MCU also didn’t follow most of that they pretty much fucked up too.

[@dennislopez1272]

The MCU is a mess too. Continually having to retcon stuff cause they can't follow the comics. All they have to do is follow source material and you can make a good movie. But nooooooo. Let's make everything a convoluted mess. I still watch most of them but don't get it twisted they are a disaster too.

[@KitZunekaze]

@@dennislopez1272 To be fair I was not trying to claim that the only correct thing to do is to copy the comics perfectly. I'm saying Spiderman 3 was a mess because it tried to do that all in one movie, and it was not a great mesh. The comics ret-con stuff all the time too, so the idea that the MCU is worse than the source material is a bit of a stretch. What they've done is great now though, as they've introduced the multiverse we now have reasons to understand why this continuity is different from the comics, and comic fans can't ignore that since the multiverse has been used to excuse all kinds of insane twists on Marvel properties. I cannot get behind the idea that the MCU movies are only a terrible mess. They're the best continuity of comic-book movies we've ever seen. So I'm not on board for the nit-picking of it into oblivion. Are they perfect? No, far from it. But they're not horrible by any stretch of the imagination.

[@dennislopez1272]

It's the unnecessary amount they do it. The comics industry is a disaster because of the amount they retcon comics. I understand having to do it sometimes but there's a reason the industry is falling apart. There's an astonishing amount of writers that are lazy and don't care about writing new stories that are worth telling. Sorry but them having to start from scratch a comic like Captain Marvel 9 times should be alarming to anyone. Haven't bought comics in years for a reason. It's just bad now. Spiderman series has been good even though there's been a decent amount of retconning. They finally gave Tom Hollands character a true good origin story. Never understood them pushing the Tony Stark stuff. It always felt forced and not genuine. Aunt Mae angle finally gave him a true heros journey. Not against telling a fresh story. Just not a bad one. BTW, I loved my Shazam underoos in the 70s.

[@SHAITfam]

Jesus get a life lmao. Stop writing whole damn paragraphs about comic book movies

[@thehitboy7602]

There was a nice deleted scene that, in my opinion, needn't have been left out, where the sandman's daughter saw a sand castle while playing on the playground. She touched it and understood that it was her father communicating with her seeing as the castle disappeared once she turned around.

[@mastereppsreturns6586]

I mean think about it, Peter is a nerd. The symbiote inflates your ego, your immorality, and decreases your sense of remorse. How would a nerd behave if he underwent those changes? Exactly like Bully Maguire would. That's why I think his arc was very very fitting.

[@Wingedmagician]

@@NiclasLoof symbiote turtle neck

[@adolfojacosta]

Peter was a nerd in the comics too and he didn’t act like a goof. Same with the 90s Spider-Man cartoon. It makes you aggressive and angry. It doesn’t make you a goof.

[@fatty1040]

@@adolfojacosta Imagine if they made all the peter parkers exactly the same 😳😳😳

[@smileyhappyface5864]

@@adolfojacosta Who said goof?

[@sharpaycutie2]

Exactly. All his darkest desieres brought to surface by the symbiote.

[@EmanueleCorsi]

If you remember, in "Spiderman: into the Spiderverse" at the very beginning there's Spiderman mocking the Bully Maguire's walk, when he tells the things he's not very proud of. I've found that a genius touch 😋

[@PRED_exe]

Tbf I believe Peter when he says he knows exacrly how MJ feels, the entire first 2 movies he was degraded and had to deal with career/education issues. Also I can't defend MJ's flip floppyness with men lol, she stood her man up on their wedding, got with Peter, dumped him (justifiably after the kiss) and then instantly came onto Harry.

[@gabrieldamian9074]

Neither MJ nor Peter are a good partner, but people only criticize MJ and not Peter.

[@blopez8599]

She’s so toxic idk how Nat defends mj especially in this one

[@jackdonohue7893]

@@gabrieldamian9074 People mostly criticize Peter, not MJ

[@gabrieldamian9074]

@@jackdonohue7893 I don't know where you get that idea, but I've seen hundreds of posts and comments complaining about MJ and none of Peter's.

[@gabrieldamian9074]

@@blopez8599 Because peter is also toxic

[@adh2298]

If u want to see Tobey Maguire with deep emotional and psychological range u should see “Brothers” it has Jake Gyllenhaal and Natalie Portman in it too.

[@DubFreakFreer]

^ I 1,000% back this idea for a reaction

[@arraikcruor6407]

That was a heartbreaking movie! His acting in it was really good!

[@Bully_who_made_goblin_Jr_cry]

You know what I did??!!

[@sethrickard2154]

Or cider house rules

[@Davidscomix]

@@Bully_who_made_goblin_Jr_cry I missed the part where that’s my problem

[@BangBangspideyproduc]

The symbiote adapts characteristics from its host, it’s essentially able to mimic and amplify the hosts abilities, even though Eddy didn’t have any powers the symbiote remembers and mimics Peters powers and in so giving him the same set of powers. Also Venom’s “monster form” with the teeth and all that is how his species actually looks like.

[@mastereppsreturns6586]

Flint Marco's first scene as sand man affects me emotionally a lot more than it should. The music and the visual symbolism of a broken man pulling himself together for his kid resonates with a lot of parents I think. Cause sometimes life just breaks you down, and you're scattered just like he is but you pull yourself together and plow ahead for your loved ones. The only Spiderman villain motivated by love, and love alone.

[@MatthewStephensAU]

18:40 He did it because he's been spat on by everyone in town, both as 'Pizza Guy Parker' and 'Threat or Menace' Spidey. Suddenly he's getting a parade and he got high on it. It's the same reason for this scene in 22:50. Peter would break out a textbook to explain why the back row couldn't hear MJ, rather than tell her that she wasn't a Broadway singer. Her name is taken off the theatre at the same moment her boyfriend gets the Key to the City? For a girl who was abused by her drunken dad, it's a pretty high pedestal to fall off. Peter and MJ is this version? They loved each other when nobody else really did. So when someone else did, it's a shock to the system.

[@MrDrokkul]

Everybody seems to forget that Harry activated and threw the pumpkin bomb first. Yes Peter is a hero and should have thrown it aside rather back at Harry,, but he was also under the influence of the symbiote at the time. I feel that's probably why they made sure to show the black costume under Peter's clothes.

[@SB992REBORN]

Why do people not get the fact that he is consumed by the Symbiotes and that's why he's acting the way he's acting plus this is how you're supposed to feel with the Symbiote so Sam Raimi Toby and the film is doing it right you just don't like seeing Peter and Spider-Man go down this route but that's comic accurate so FRick watch the Editor's Cut and come back later

[@dang476]

@@SB992REBORN Tbf, he was acting like a tool before he got the symbiote too.

[@a_fine_edition2746]

@An G admittedly he was, but he wasn’t going full emo and chucking explosives at people’s faces.

[@humanoid251]

“You should’ve said this a long time ago” he couldn’t. Keep in mind Norman’s final words were “don’t tell Harry” and Peter was keeping that promise to spare Harry any pain even though it affected their friendship “Are we ever gonna talk about what that thing is?” Apparently it’s some type of particle accelerator. What they were doing with it or why it was there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ In a movie full of memes, that Sandman forming scene is genuinely beautiful. Not many superhero movies can achieve or even bother attempting such a scene Aww man they cut out the best transition!! The “where am I?” as the black suit theme plays and they reveal the new look is SO GOOD!!! I’ve been listening to James Brown’s Get Up and Drive That Funky Soul quite a bit lately and every time I get to that sexy sax part I start doing the Bully Maguire dance 🤣🤣 I can’t help it “Why does he all of a sudden play the piano?” If you recall in Spider-Man 2 during the bank scene Aunt May says “I’m giving piano lessons again” so it’s fair to say she probably taught Peter “Why did they give him fangs” from what I hear an initial idea was that Peter would pull Eddie out of the symbiote but it would be just his skeleton and his teeth would’ve all been turned into sharp teeth as a way to show how the symbiote had, quite literally, consumed Eddie While I agree this movie does get kinda messy, I still think it’s great. I don’t think it’s as bad as people say and honestly it’s a pretty fitting conclusion to this trilogy. And in regards to the comics, the symbiote ends up binding with Peter when he’s on another planet. The meteor thing was just the movie’s super convenient way of getting the symbiote to Peter. In some of the animated series John Jameson is on an expedition in space and in some form or another it gets on the spaceship and they bring it back to Earth, which honestly makes more sense than the tiny meteor

[@ktraeg2069]

The first half of this reaction reads like a cinematic version of the 'Men: We Don't Know What We Did' meme from Family Guy. Like goddamn, you did not want to give even a shred of credit to Peter from the moment this movie started. He's definitely making mistakes, but you're like, "There he is, not being there for her in her depressing time of need, and he's off being a hero with all the attention.. Yeah, I bet you feel really good about yourself right now Peter, how about you go console the woman you want to marry?" and I'm thinking, you do realize that at this point in time, the only thing that he knows about Mary Jane's struggles is that she got a single bad review in a newspaper? You don't think, given that Peter is actively slandered every single day by the front page of New York's largest newspaper, that he might not see a single isolated poor review as being something she can't handle? Also ignoring that he tried consoling her about the review in their previous scene together and she immediately shut him down by telling him that she didn't want to be consoled - which you agreed with? Like, what do you want from the guy?

[@dunringill1747]

FYI: Studio interference forced Sam Raimi to add Venom to an already bloated story. This is not Venom's origin story in the comic books. However, the symbiote is able to steal memories and mimic abilities from its past hosts.

[@RedCaio]

You're right that Peter is a jerk for kissing Gwen but MJ is often a jerk too and people tend to overlook that. She's very whiny and pouty and "what about me?" all the time.

[@joshhunter6928]

She's the worst character of the whole trilogy...

[@Karma-pq9fi]

Expect in this movie she does the opposite she specifically doesn’t tell Peter she was fired because she didn’t want him to feel bad when it came to his big moment. The only time she comes to him to vent was when she had the paper comment on her singing which is realistic did you expect her not to go to her boyfriend about her problems and not talk about it? Other than her venting to Peter when exactly did she whine or pout “all the time.” Like when was that a constant thing where it was “all the time”

[@_Hissatsu]

@@Karma-pq9fi nah bruh. Lost my respect for her when Peter was trying to help her out and said "You just gotta get back on the horse..." and then MJ interrupted him by saying " DON'T GIVE ME THE HORSE THING!" if you look at Pete's face you'll see he was actually saddened by her yelling. So when she tried to help him after she heard about Uncle Ben's "new" suspect in his murder Peter clapped back at her with a simple "Ok." MJ was just pretty shitty in all movies tbh

[@Karma-pq9fi]

@@_Hissatsu that’s the entire point of the scene she’s frustrated because she was told she wasn’t doing well at her dream job. She didn’t want to hear a motivational speech. That’s why at the end she fine with singing in a small club because she has Peter. She accepted having a smaller life she had big dreams and accepted she couldn’t have it all. Peter also clapped back for the same reason MJ clapped back frustration I don’t understand how this is so hard to understand. Like I’m starting to think Spider-Man 3 is the most misunderstood movie. I understand it has problems but the “problems” people try to point out takes 5 seconds of common sense to understand. How can you lose respect for someone acting like a normal human? Do you want them to just be perfect human? Do you want MJ to just be a character like who just listens to Peter and does nothing else? Like Gwen and Michelle Jones?

[@_Hissatsu]

@@Karma-pq9fi lol bruh but she had been shitty for 3 movies. Acting like a bitch to Peter was the last straw. And no, I completely understand your point but when a character is so dogshit there is no point in defending. She was already a scummy person in the other movies anyways.

[@johnschone3455]

Real people arent perfect, and this trilogy exemplifies that. Most Superheroes now are made to perfect characters, and that's why this version of Spider-Man is the best.

[@mechanomics2649]

No, they literally aren't lmao. Whole plots in the MCU rely on characters not being perfect. Raimi fans really are something else.

[@johnschone3455]

@@mechanomics2649 imagine writing this with any sort of confidence. Keep to Disney+ lmao

[@owlcircus6811]

@@johnschone3455 I can Tony Stark is literally the worst in every movie The um, entire, plot of Civil War being that they were irresponsible and reckless with civilian lives. Shit, Star Lord being a fucking dumb ass is the reason Thanos even won in IW. Also how is using Disney plus supposed to be an insult, are you still in middle school?

[@johnschone3455]

I agree that these characters have flaws but not in the same sense that is illustrated in this trilogy. Especially movies made after... I'd say 2012? There was a huge cultural shift, and people are not as redeemable in the eyes of society as they once were. Back when this trilogy was made it was interesting to explore how a normal guy would react to these extraordinary circumstances. It shows his problems from start to finish, and they are REAL. This movie (while far from perfect) does a great job of symbolizing substance abuse. Now we have characters like Rey Skywalker, Captain Marvel, Black Panther, Tom Holland's Spider-Man (to name a few) with little to no flaws. The flaws they do have are very cliché and surface level. I mean believe what you want, but there is a stark difference in how this trilogy handles flaws compared to nowadays (especially Marvel/Star Wars), and in my opinion it is a much better approach.

[@johnschone3455]

@@owlcircus6811 As to your other point, Disney content is literally an echo chamber... It's all the same moral dilemmas and resolutions, so if that's what you're into... stick to it.

[@dawn6658]

Man…I guess the only good part about taking a break from your channel, is that I can start binge watch everything!!! It feels like endless content!!

[@dryfish8337]

I just realized that sandman’s story of killing uncle Ben is very similar to Spider-Man killing green goblin, the movie would have been great without venom. Fun fact- the director hated venom and didn’t want him in the movie but he was pushed into adding him in

[@TheGrimHHH]

Just a fix to what you said: Sam Raimi didn't necessarily *hate* Venom, he just wasn't familiar with him because he had never read any of the material involving him. The studio pushed him really hard into adding Venom to the movie, so he had to catch up in a very short timespam, which is why Venom feels rushed in this movie.

[@zebedeemadness2672]

Peter was being a bit of a ass, but it was venoms influance that amplified Peter to super ass, so with out Venom he wouldn't have done half the things in the movie.

[@Delarissa]

@@TheGrimHHH Venom is the sort of villain that would really require to be the primary plot and not some b/c plot in an already overstuffed story.

[@PresUlyssesSGrant]

The symbiote is a metaphor for addiction. Peter was addicted to how the suit made him feel. It made him feel powerful. That’s why it was so hard to take off.

[@wasoha]

Regarding Bernard being the true villain of the series, the editor’s cut ended up removing that nonsense and replacing it with Harry simply reflecting on a photo of him with his friends and making the choice on his own to believe Peter and help him. It’s a better scene. The editors cut can’t transform it into a good movie but it does make some better decisions throughout.

[@dennislopez1272]

Not even close, this was the worst of the 3. Ironically, in the movie theater, this is probably the most incredible experience I've had watching a superhero movie. The crowd was so into it, cheering and crying, that the experience as a whole was awesome. It got so loud I felt like I was at a football game.

[@jacobb4795]

That’s why movie theaters are so important. They make movies feel so real

[@dennislopez1272]

@@jacobb4795 Unfortunately can't do the movies any more. Very Sad.

[@jacobb4795]

@@dennislopez1272 you still can, it’s just a little more risky

[@dennislopez1272]

@@jacobb4795 Way too risky. I ended up at the hospital for 3 weeks in 2019 (correction Dec. 2020). Almost didn't make it. My lungs and blood pressure stink now. I survived so that's the important part. Thank God

[@thestunner31615]

I was also crying at the end of the movie. Just for a different reason - How much it sucked and I waited 3 yrs for this

[@Сайтамен]

Bully Maguire: You thought the second movie was cheesy? Now dig on this!

[@waveymattdavey]

*snapping intensifies*

[@3DJapan]

2nd one was the best Spider-Man movie of them all.

[@MarkanVaran7]

@@3DJapan first one is also a classic. The whole trilogy is

[@austin.p.martin]

I love at 25:23 when Harry "disappears", you can see the extra in the back turn around and look at what is absolutely James Franco just hiding under the table.

[@cytorakdemon]

I love how the biggest change to Spider-Man 3 in The Editor's Cut is the complete removal of Bernard telling Harry his father was the Goblin. The movie is still pretty flawed, but that does fix a sizeable chunk.

[@SupergeekMikeDowntime]

The one thing I like about the ending is the implication that they’re going to work together to resolve things… but also, if people don’t like the ending, that’s totally fair. And it doesn’t make the movie good lol

[@michellepeters7066]

I highly recommend "Galaxy Quest".

[@RoRo27.]

What a solid suggestion. Nice (high fives strongly)

[@comicozy8786]

That’s a good one 👍

[@chikitronrx0]

That's a good one.

[@SpartanShepard]

Ahh a messy but fun movie. There's actually a different version called the Editors Cut, which I prefer. It's not much different (I actually think it's shorter). They cut out the scene with the butler telling Harry about his dad, and replaced it with a scene of Harry choosing to forgive Peter on his own. They also added a scene where Sandman transforms into a sand castle at a playground where his daughter is at, really heartfelt scene. And they re arranged the scenes in the middle of the movie where Peter has the black suit. In the theatrical version MJ fake breaks up with Peter, he puts on the suit, Peter fights Harry, Peter gets Eddie fired, then the dance down the street. Whereas in the Editors cut it's better paced. MJ fake breaks up, Peter puts on suit, gets Eddie fired, takes off suit, talks to Harry in cafe, puts on suit again, fights Harry, then the dance down the street. I prefer this version, as it presents Peter using the suit as sort of a drug to make himself feel better. The only change I didn't like was the removal of the Aunt May scene towards the end, the "You start with the hardest part... You forgive yourself" scene was removed, and it sucks because it's probably the best scene in the movie.

[@The_Phantasm]

The best scene in the movie is the formation of Sandman.

[@zacharymiller5955]

Yes . When I did the rewatch to get ready for No Way Home that's the one I watched.

[@The_Phantasm]

@@zacharymiller5955 I rewatched it recently along with all the other movies during a Spider-Man rewatch in preparation for No Way Home. This time I went in knowing it's faults and despite that it somehow ended up actually being worse than I remember.

[@zacharymiller5955]

@@The_Phantasm amazing 2 is still the worst . For me the rankings of all Live action spider man movies ( 1. Into the spider verse) 1. Now way home 2. Spider man 2 3. Far from home 4. spider man 5.Homecoming 6. Amazing 1 7. Spider man 3 8. Amazing 2

[@The_Phantasm]

@@zacharymiller5955 he first TASM is a good movie and TASM 2 is definitely overall a bad movie, but it had better moments than Spider-Man 3. The only thing that is good about the movie is Sandman.

[@valentinruiz3828]

Unlike in this movie, in the comics, the symbiote didn't make Peter bad, it just gave him nightmares. the idea for the symbiote to make him bad came from the 1994 spider-man animated series

[@The_Phantasm]

And it was done better there than here. What were they thinking with all the emo stuff. And Topher Grace as Eddie Brock? How you could make that casting work is beyond me.

[@valentinruiz3828]

@@The_Phantasm I still think it's not the actor's fault, rather I think it was the script.

[@The_Phantasm]

@@valentinruiz3828 The problematic script was a big part of it, however even though Topher Grace is a good actor, he just doesn't fit the role of Eddie Brock.

[@jeffallen7417]

@@The_Phantasm After watching the mid-credit scene in No Way Home, I'm wondering if we'll see some form of Agent Venom at some point on the big screen.

[@nullunit]

I am happy Kirsten Dunst is getting more recognition now for her work. As a big ol' comic nerd she felt like the perfect choice when these came out. My favorite roll of hers is probably from 'Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind' everyone in that film great. Zendaya's MJ from the Sony-MCU films is also fantastic and I dig how she makes just as much sense in the role.

[@elitesixstudios8203]

Peter's Aunt May used to give Piano lessons, thats why he's so good at it

[@A-TOP-11]

If you take away the scenes with Venom and the symbiotes and left with the sandman's story and Harry's villain plot, it would of been great. Sadly, the studio force Sam Rami to put venom even though he didn't want to. However, I don't think the movie is bad. Also, it left us lots, and lots of memes. So, thank you Sony and Sam Rami for giving us ways to make memes.

[@CalciumChief]

Maybe not bad, but far from good too. At best it's okay. And it really is because of the drama behind the scenes. Sony wanted Venom in cause they wanted to push a separate Venom franchise even back then, Raimi wanted Sandman, cause it's another of Silver Age villains he grew up with and didn't even really get or know how to write Venom. In the end, neither did budge and and it ended up being this bloated mess of a script.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#IBlameAviArad

[@TheMarioAdams]

The symbiote should have stayed but just for Peter not for Venom.

[@Untitled.S]

In that time i don't care much about venom plot but i really like black suit Spiderman. That is so cool 😍

[@TypicalTip]

it had the potential to be a really good spiderman movie, too bad the studio forced in venom

[@bmtelle1460]

Me: "Natalie, please forgive us for asking you to watch Spider-Man 3." Natalie: "You want forgiveness? Get religion."

[@slowbro173]

Look at little BMTelle jr. Gonna cry?

[@Shritistrang]

Jameson's exchange with the kid near the end is the best part of the movie for me.

[@shadowdritz6096]

The thing is that Peter has been catalogued as a loser his whole life and now that he has some praise as Spiderman it got to him but he forgot that the people love Spiderman and not Peter Parker. We're human and it happens to us as people. So yeah he became a jerk but he's human and the symbiote (black goo) only enhanced his ego because it gave him even more power. And yes Venom, (the symbiote) is a being of it's own and since Peter was able to reject it, the symbiote, pretty much became that toxic ex that wants to get back at you after a bad breakup, hence, why Eddie Brock became the perfect host for it. Edit - And yes I am biased because Peter and Spiderman are my favorite characters from any superhero comic or movie so fight me >:O

[@toddjordan2198]

That was a very thoughtful and insightful explanation. The movie still sucks major donkey balls.

[@3lipalm3r]

Oh she’s one of these people

[@shomgerry]

There's this movie, then TASMs, then ATLA, then hopefully Korra And I just saw you tearbend over the MCU saga I'm subbing, you're a mood

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#TVspecial4LegendOfKorra

[@pawelm.1583]

Exactly, ATLA we need, Natalie, be a good person, please 🙏

[@shadowfire_08]

cant wait for her Avatar journey cuz Korra is awesome

[@Zombiesnyder13]

I still blame AVI ARAD for destroying Sam Raimi's ambition He forced the inclusion of VENOM just so he could sell more toys

[@valentinruiz3828]

not only that, but also because he knew that Venom would make the movie a box office hit.

[@The_Phantasm]

I also didn't like the rewrite of Sandman being the one that killed uncle Ben.

[@Сайтамен]

So easy to blame one person...

[@Zombiesnyder13]

@@Сайтамен "One person CAN make a difference"

[@SirWeibrot]

28:37 Actually in (I think) Spiderman 2 Aunt May mentions that she's giving Piano lessons again, so presumably she also taught Peter as a child, that's great attention to detail by the filmmakers, as stupid as that scene may be!

[@dustyb58]

"that was our kiss" that I also tried on that astronaut guy we never talk about

[@spacerangerangel]

Seeing Nat lose it because of all the characters’ choices is easily the funniest thing. Can’t wait for her reaction to Venom and TAMS.

[@maul42]

27:50 While this movie still has some wonderful stuff in it, that's one thing that kills me is how much it relies on coincidences to start and keeping moving the plot. The biggest of course being that the symbiote just happens to land next to him from space. There's some photo evidence that they filmed a whole sequence with him rescuing a space shuttle and the alien being attached to it, similar to the Animated Series origin of Venom, but any remnant of that was scrapped for runtime on an already long film.

[@RandomJot]

the fact that they did that when they had a character who's an *actual astronaut* in the last movie... baffling. Like, John Jameson Jr. would have the perfect vessel to introduce the symbiote in this one

[@greengoblin4life]

I just always assumed that the symbiote went to the most powerful person on earth. Which would be Peter since he was the only superhero in his universe. But yea I agree this movie is full of too many coincidences.

[@ams914]

Coincidence is a normal part of fantastical storytelling, IMO. There is a point when coincidence becomes too much but a lot of the time I think people's complaints just comes from them trying too hard to find thing wrong with a film. Your example about the cut sequence is a great example of the compromises of filmmaking. They always have to cut stuff. And it still works just fine as a coincidence, IMO. It's plausible enough that it COULD happen, so you just go with it.

[@CaptainFrost32]

@@RandomJot Spider-Man was used to save John Jameson in reentry in the early comics. Jameson later became ManWolf/StarGod in the comics. Spider-Man first encountered the symbiote during the Beyonder's Secret War. The 90's cartoon had John Jameson's lunar module carrying the symbiote to Earth. I don't even want to mention the symbiote origin in Ultimate Spider-Man. Venom should not have been crammed in with so many subplots.

[@bigdream_dreambig]

​@@ams914 Usually it's okay to have an "unsupported coincidence" be something that gets the story going at the beginning, but that's about it. Here, there were just too many: alien landing nearby, sandman was _actually_ the one who killed Uncle Ben, the girl he rescued from the skyscraper is also his classmate,...

[@WhelmedButReady]

"I swear to God if it's the Spider-Man song I'm gonna kill him" that part had me choking on my pizza rolls🤣😂😅. Natalie's disdain for arrogant Peter in the first act is fantastic

[@sofiyanali2489]

Nat: Tobey, you're not that cool, man. Me: He's a dorky nerd. Being cool isn't really one of Peter Parker's strongest traits. Being human is.

[@UberTheWolf]

Woah, this is so deep.

[@frenchynoob]

Telling Peter to take off the symbiote suit is like telling an alcoholic to not drink

[@36moshpit7]

For more Spiderman stuff, I'd highly recommend checking out the Spectacular Spiderman animated series; it's short (26 episodes), but a fantastic depiction of the comics.

[@noblesseraizel3741]

I don't care what anybody says. SPIDERMAN 3 IS MY FAVORITE MOVIE OUT OF ALL OF THEM

[@TerrenceOlson2]

Same, my favorite of the Raimi Trilogy.

[@Elne9]

Same

[@JAMARI645]

Ik people hate on it for no reason

[@The_Phantasm]

But you do understand that objectively it's the worst Spider-Man movie ever, right?

[@rexyz5875]

@@The_Phantasm tasm2

[@lucaleone4331]

Really excited for the Amazing SPider man for Nat to watch now since I LOVED the relationship between Gwen and Peter and it will probably make up for alot of the toxicity in these movies!

[@johnhelfrich977]

In the comic books, the symbiote never fell from the sky, peter actually first encountered it during one of the first big crossover events where all the marvel superheros went to space, so you can kind of tell that there wasn't really a good way they could think of to get it on earth in this movie. The Venom movie does a lot better of a job of getting the symbiote to earth believably, and also does a much better job of portraying the character as he is in the comics. I would definitely recommend you watch that movie and it's sequel at some point as while they are not high-class cinema by any means they are really fun movies.

[@HaganeNoGijutsushi]

The cartoon did it nicely, with JJJ's astronaut son bringing it back from space as a sample.

[@mityakiselev]

"Since when does Topher have powers?" The Venom symbiote has some very confusing lore around it. Not only does it enhance the host's strength and stuff, it also remembers its previous hosts. In some iterations, it can even transfer its knowledge through different universes, it's like a hivemind thing. It forms a bond with its previous body and gains its knowledge, as well as its powers in some way. Venom really likes Peter, but he likes Eddie way more. Some iterations of Venom like other characters, like Flash (the bully from the first movie) or Harry Osborn. This Venom slings on "webs", even though Eddie can't shoot webs, because it remembers Peter doing something like that. I think they were actually strands of the symbiote, but I might be wrong. But I honestly feel like Venom's powers aren't the most important thing about him. The symbiote is supposed to be an allegory for substance abuse and depression and stuff. They couldn't do adult themes at the time because the company's policy on such topics was really strict. That was around the time when the Joker was an actual clown with electric buzzers and spray flowers. They even had to abandon an ongoing arc where Harry did drugs. When the restriction dropped, all hell broke loose with all sorts of dark storylines. The thing with Venom is that it's supposed to amplify all the emotions of the host as well, so when Peter feels angry, vengeful, hateful, depressed, etc. it _really_ adds to that. I feel like they did the character dirty by doing all the cringe dancing stuff, as well as the next time with all the Tom Hardy "comedy". The closest they came to actually portraying Venom was when Bully Maguire hurt MJ and realised that's not who he is. That's actually a really powerful message, which was completely tainted by the cringe. Obviously, there has to be an external battle with a comic book villain at some point, but the most important battle should be inside Peter's head. He has to overcome the dark side in order to defeat the real villain here. It could be a really cool psychological story, and I honestly feel like the MCU Peter is ready. The meta parameters all seem to be in order, they already showed some serious character study with overcoming PTSD (Thor still being worthy, Wanda abandoning Westview, etc.) so who knows. Peter himself is perfectly primed for that arc, he has lost literally everything in his life and has already come pretty close to letting the dark thoughts overtake him by almost killing Norman. If he actually becomes a bad person for a long time, maybe even more than one movie, and they really show it from his point of view, show he's suffering from that, they might have a better movie than NWH. I really hope they go this route and don't spam Spider-Verse stuff for a change. They have already made 3 games and 2 animated movies about that, they don't need to do it just yet. As cool as it would be to see a bunch of live-action Spider-people in the MCU, the next arc has to be this one.

[@tranquilk5912]

26:39 how funny that Peter has learnt not to take those goblin bombs to the face after what happened in the first film...since then he's been very good at dodging them

[@chikitronrx0]

Bully Maguire is the best that happened to the internet.

[@You-Tube-n5k]

Honestly, while I can't say it's a good movie, I can't help but love Spider-Man 3. It's a mess, but it's easily the one that I have the most fun watching because of it.

[@The_Phantasm]

I feel the same about TASM 2.

[@rexyz5875]

Its a good movie

[@nabielarwindra1143]

@@rexyz5875 harry having an amnesia subplot 10 minutes into the movie after being built up by the previous 2 movies is one of the things that really degrades the movie for me

[@The_Phantasm]

@@nabielarwindra1143 Same.

[@kbreezy1581]

I just hate how it relies on so many coincidences for the plot to move forward, and how pretty much the entire main cast was so unlikable here.

[@euronymous235]

Next should be Andrew Garfield Spiderman movies.

[@menachemsalomon]

"Toxic relationship" is a good way to describe it. I used to follow _Spiderman_ in the daily comics, and come to think of it, sometimes it was a good description for their relationship (post-marriage, IIRC) there, too.

[@dancemachine1919]

I'm late but I saw this in the theater when it first came out and I distinctly remember thinking that I must have dozed off and woke up for the after credits scene/bloopers when he started dancing and then playing the piano lol

[@fthomason93]

I had the exact same reaction lol

[@brand0n801]

The part with Steve from Blue’s Clues being depicted as an escaped convict cracked me up 🤣 Just because the Sandman had a similar shirt design. So great!

[@UncleQue]

I’m thinking that Peter risking his life to save her at the end equals “I’m sorry”.

[@Unisol542]

*listens constantly as Natalie comments on Peter for going to help people as Spider-Man rather than take care of issues in his personal life* Isn't that the whole point of the Spider-Man story?

[@MerryMarvelite]

In the comics Spider-Man found the Venom symbiote inside an alien structure while he was in space fighting super villains alongside the X-Men, the Fantastic Four, and the Avengers after they were all abducted by an otherdimensional being called the Beyonder. Naturally, that couldn't happen in this movie so I guess the writers decided to just have the symbiote randomly land on Earth very close to Peter. Also, in the comics, Peter initially thought the suit was some kind of alien technology. He removed it when he found out it was alive but the symbiote escaped containment and tried to bond with him permanently, leading to the bell tower scene.

[@deaconosteen1331]

I swear when mj calls Harry and she doesn't get mad at that... that's what u call a double standard

[@vwlssnvwls3262]

The Sandman was always my favorite villain. I was a little disappointed in how depressing they made him in this movie, but otherwise I thought Thomas Haden Church did a great job. And I still enjoyed that this movie stayed truer to the comics than any of the later movies do, even though it's not very good.

[@raelshark]

He's actually really good in it, and GREAT casting. Can't see anyone else doing Sandman more accurately.

[@waldoman7]

You may remember that Peter talked about being way stronger with the suit. It gives superstrength, and furthermore having Peter for it's first bonded host shaped it, which is why it grants spider-like powers to future hosts. Also, eddy brock turns out to be uniquely well suited to it, able to bond more fully. So Venom(eddie) is stronger than Spiderman, though black suit Spiderman was stronger than that with the combined power.

[@atharvasawant2126]

The Bully Maguire memes in this are the most hilarious part! 🤣🤣🤣

[@ZinxTheSlayer]

@@The_Phantasm ik u are but what are the memes

[@ZinxTheSlayer]

@@The_Phantasm ik I am

[@ZinxTheSlayer]

@@The_Phantasm ty

[@Danen3]

You have THE BEST understanding of story telling. I love watching your reactions.

[@scientifreak5]

Peter always knew the piano, because remember in spider-man 2, Aunt may revealed she runs piano lessons.

[@stephenorkies2858]

"You guys all just suck." Such a great summary the likability of the characters was just destroyed.

[@Karma-pq9fi]

You mean giving characters actual character? Tony Stark also isnt likable.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

AVI ARAD is now gonna ruin the UNCHARTED movie, MORBIUS and BORDERLANDS The same way he ruined this movie and VENOM: LET THERE BE CARNAGE

[@latonbradford6622]

Ah the one movie from the rami trilogy that created so many memes lol. "I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye" or "you'll get your rent when you fix this damn door!!" soooo good (for those who get that 😉)

[@The_Phantasm]

I get it and I still don't like it or this movie.

[@chikitronrx0]

@@The_Phantasm I think nobody likes it, everyone love it because of the memes. i do to hate it and love it. I hate it because i love it. Lol It's so wrong and so good at the same time, a disaster movie like The Room.

[@potatonater1016]

peter literally tries to comfort her but she just waves him off

[@Stak0]

The Birth of Sandman scene is one of the greatest scenes I have ever seen in movie history.

[@felixnegron1888]

Lowkey feel like u we’re giving Peter too much crap lol like he was honestly a pretty chill dude up until the whole Gwen Stacy kiss but it seemed like u were pissed at him from the get go when he hadn’t done anything wrong, and that kinda just set the tone for the rest of the movie about how u perceived his character like he’d just show up and instantly it’s be like “uh this guy🥴” 😂😂

[@GhostDrummer]

Hey Nat…I watched your Deadpool reaction yesterday where you mentioned being in a lot of pain due to old neck and back injuries. I know I’m not the only one here who understands what it’s like to live with chronic pain. I just wanted to let you know that your reactions have been very helpful in distracting my mind from focusing on my own chronic pain. I’ve had over 20 surgeries since 1993 due to a horrible car accident and a really bad work injury. We learn to pick ourselves up and roll along with life. I hope you’re doing well. Thank you for sharing these reactions with us.

[@viktorszakacs9494]

Hello! The answer to why Venom was there is because there is a very well-known evil in the comics. But the director didn’t really want to put them in the film, it was forced by Sony, the otherwise great contrast between him and spider-man. So I agree that you should watch the 2 venom movie before No Way Home. The film isn’t entirely true to comics, but Venom is much more “lovable” there.

[@matthewfrancisco9406]

Backing this up. Sam Raime didn’t want the Symbote in the movie and the studio forced him so he phoned in most of the movie

[@howie1532]

I know it’s a meme, but I kinda like that when Peter is acting “cool” he comes across as a complete dork, which is still true to his character

[@TheJmot97]

In Spider-Man 2, Peter told MJ that he will always be spiderman and the burden that will bring into a relationship, MJ was the one who puts herself in the situation, also MJ told Peter she loves him at the funeral of Harry’s dad (few days after being her girlfriend), wants to kiss Peter being engaged to her boyfriend, kiss Harry while having a relationship with Peter and you say that Harry being the Green Goblin Jr is better choice than Peter…

[@Transcendmediaofficial]

The fact that Nat didn't know who or what Venom is kinda hurt my soul watching 😂😂 She gotta put it in her list ASAP haha

[@Zombiesnyder13]

If Sony greenlits SPIDER-MAN 4, they need to get rid of AVI ARAD first Or else it will be just another failure

[@jonathandelgado3755]

I mean he’s been involved with all the Spider-Man movies and even the 90’s show right? His involvement is more of a wild card rather than a certainty for failure right? It’d be kinda one-sided to say he’s only ever done wrong when he’s produced some good stuff too.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

@@jonathandelgado3755 he's good to finance something, nothing more It all depends on who else produces the movies with him, like Laura Ziskin, Kevin Feige and Phil Lord and Chris Miller When he starts dictating, then is certain failure it was because of him that the 90s show got canceled in case you don't know

[@Xscape128]

because of one movie?

[@youngchristopher14]

The only thing I disagreed with that Pete did at the start was the Gwen Stacy kiss. I felt Mary Jane was being way to selfish, she never even told him about losing the part. Saving people was supposed to come first, she CHOSE that life. You cannot choose that life and then decide thats not ok with you anymore.

[@StopReadingMyNameOrElse]

Also thought it was odd how Natalie immediately defended Mary Janes first initial temper tantrum when Peter is trying to help her, "Oh just let her be mad Peter." Then later she's going in on Peter for not trying to help Mary J at all. So strange.

[@holovoid_]

@@StopReadingMyNameOrElse "Let her be mad" and "Comfort her" are not mutually exclusive. If your spouse is upset, you don't have to try to fix things to make them less upset. You help them by comforting them and commiserating, not saying "Well just do X Y Z and your problems will go away!"

[@lazyperfectionist1]

32:17 "But there's no question that he died by his own hand." "You are _so_ fired." "What? Why?" "You've known this _all_ this time and you picked _now_ to tell me?" "I thought it was the best time." "I took a grenade in the _face,_ dude!"

[@horrorking6409]

Hasn’t apologised, he forgave Sandman, he technically did apologise to Harry, none of that was Peter, the symbiote was consuming him and turning him into a horrible person and he couldn’t just take the suit off as removing the symbiote after it has bonded to you is equal to the pain of removing your own skin, hence his struggle and immense screams of pain wen removing it because it was painful and it was fighting to stay with Peter