Spider-Man Comics Have Become Even More Stupid

I already made one video about the horrible state of modern Spidey comics, but The Amazing Spider-Man 23 made me really want to revisit this topic and just let loose on the comic, kind of like how the writers seemed to let loose their lunch all over the pages. #spiderman #marvel #comics
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[@DegenerateJay]

I don't really know how this works but the music that I used and balanced on my computer sounds louder here, so you can let me know what you think about the audio mix. It was supposed to be a little quieter. Not sure if it had something to do with KZbin compression. Sometimes it's way too quiet in videos when I upload another times it's louder and the audio never sounds exactly how it sounds on my computer... Because reasons?

[@wilkinscoffee8979]

First person to reply below me is Gay.

[@windghost2]

@@willissudweeks1050 To hopefully get him to consider checking out some great Spider-Man comics. Because Miles is seriously doing FAR better than Peter right now.

[@fjccommish]

Here's an idea, don't have background music.

[@rodickinass484]

@@fjccommish I like the music. Sorry you don't!

[@sethyork1164]

​@@fjccommish music is a little much, cutting it in between breaks is fine tho, but it should be more subtle

[@TheBlackOtaku]

Who is Spider-Man’s true archenemy? Is it, Norman Osborn, a.k.a. the green goblin, is it Dr. octopus ? Or is it venom? No Spider-Man’s true archenemy is the editors at marvel comics.

[@prolastmedia6171]

Haha yes 💯

[@BrandontheAwesome]

Too true, too true.

[@theunknownvoidz1409]

We all know who Peter’s arch-enemy is… Doc Ock…! Just kidding! It’s getting and sustaining a job!

[@thugnastynas1136]

It’s Dan slott

[@johnmarcusbartolome6773]

Isn't it Avi Arad

[@canisblack]

Make Peter relatable again. Have him marry Black Cat, have a kid, then she divorces him, takes the kid and all Peter’s money in perpetuity.

[@DegenerateJay]

You should be hired by Marvel editorial because it sounds like you found a new and fascinating way to make Peter Parker miserable and at Marvel editorial that's basically a fetish.

[@mayotango1317]

No, Black Cat only makes Peter more worst. She is a fanservice, no a real woman.

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

​@@mayotango1317 tis a joke

[@mayotango1317]

@@MrcreeperDXD777 No, Felicia no work in the real world. She love be a thief.

[@evilzdeadite]

Maybe give him stage 2 cancer while your at it. Marvel writers need a little more Peter sorrow then that

[@xXSonTJXx]

Kind of reminds me of how mister freeze is never allowed to just save his wife in most canon lol

[@kaiju1281]

I'm sure if Batman made, two-three calls and gathered some genius superheroes Nora would have been saved a day later

[@mayotango1317]

She is saved, and become a villain.

[@xXSonTJXx]

@@mayotango1317 wtf man 💀💀💀

[@kaiju1281]

@@xXSonTJXx Victor can't catch a break

[@valletas]

Mr freeze is a mess of a character I swear the only time he actually was good was in the arkham series Every other time they either mess up his relationship with nora, make her a villain, make HIM a pure evil villain, OR they say that nora was not his wife but a woman he is obsessed with He had the perfect arc in the arkham universe as they understood that his character was created to receive a redemption arc and anything less is doing him a disfavor

[@immersivecomics1603]

As a soon to be father, I can say that seeing Peter also grapple with the struggles of parenthood would be far more relatable than this shit

[@DozerfleetProd]

The Tide Pod eaters at Marvel hate traditional families with all the seething passion of their communist indoctrination. So now, they have to deny trads the chance to have anything. Even if that means destroying everything else on the way down.

[@bluescience9022]

ı want to see that just imagine how would be peter interaction with his children going to crime fighting with them try to teach them responsibilty come with the powers

[@prolastmedia6171]

Marvel editorial has mandated that Peter must perpetually stay within his status quo of 30s & down on his luck - which is so sad because some of my favorite Spider Man stories, like Defalco's Spider Girl, feature an older Peter 😢

[@plasticweapon]

they'll never even let him make 30 in mainstream continuity.

[@prolastmedia6171]

@@plasticweapon Yeah youre right, they just write him with the eternal dispassion of a perpetual failure in his 30s 🤣

[@oldcat1790]

Yeap, that's the problem of western comics where writers rewrite the same stories about the same characters for many decades, not allowing them to advance in any direction. Meanwhile manga artists try new things every day.

[@aerostrafe1075]

@@oldcat1790 Mangas all eventually come to an end. Comics never really will.

[@RoVirus]

I'll never forget how they stole May Parker Spidergirl from us. Every time a version of her pops up I just can't contain the hype.

[@jamesmason7979]

If you want to enjoy Spider-Man, a comic character, you should seek out stories about him in any medium other than comics.

[@Unknown23430]

Seems legitimate. Cheers for the advice.

[@windghost2]

Y’all should also check Miles Morales: Spider-Man by Cody Ziglar. It’s a really good jumping on point for Miles but also it’s been really popping off after just 4 issues in!

[@RandomizationShow]

Or just read the old comics before everything went to shit

[@antyep]

Besides the ps4 game, there was Spectacular Spider-Man, but you know how that ended, and was replaced by garbage. And with the state of the MCU has been, I doubt the new cartoon coming soon will be any good.

[@HappyLarry.]

@@windghost2 Eh, I don't really cares about Miles. He just feels like a retread after being in 616, he's just become pretty forgettable

[@Silver_Spectre]

Every arc from this run has had one awful moment, Begging for his life to Tombstone, Peter screaming his going to die in fight with Vulture because he’s extra pissed off, the whole dark web event

[@DegenerateJay]

One awful moment surrounded by a tiny horrible little moments I feel like

[@nekogamer2508]

When fanfics are better than the cannon stuff being pushed out you know that says something

[@ILiekFishes]

probably around 10% of twilight fanfiction are a better love story than twilight, idk I haven't checked but the point is when there are so many fish in the barrel at least one of them is going to be a shiny magikarp

[@arx3516]

You know what they could do to make Peter Parker relatable? Have him work as an underpaid researcher for Oscorp, and he doesn't have kids with MJ because they can't afford it.

[@jonmorris293]

Editorial hates MJ so fierce bcuz they're hung up on Gwen

[@thegungerbrospodcast7671]

Which is so fucking stupid as Peter always had far better chemistry with MJ the he ever did with Gwen. Spiderman deserves far better than the weirdos at Marvel.

[@charleszp938]

Probably something about MJ being a redhead, too.

[@honkykong610]

I mean, makes sense cus Gwen is better anyway

[@jonmorris293]

@@honkykong610 How?

[@-Teague-]

They're so hung up on Gwen it's creepy.

[@Dmobley9901]

Honestly it's so bad, I think Fanfiction and Fan comics would be a better alternative- I'm even considering making my own Spider-Man content and stories- Hell, you could even make a few different versions, throw in variety, have multiple different stories have him with MJ, Gwen, or even Black Cat, or even happily single- Just something that has more emotional impact than Squidward's part of a modern Spongebob episode- Something that isn't just a miserable character assassination compilation-

[@-Teague-]

Please do it I'm sure yours will be better

[@Dmobley9901]

@@-Teague- I might, I've always been really hesitant to make anything on my own, but it really shouldn't be too hard to write a good Spider-Man, since a lot of his stories are about responsibility- Although for some reason, some Marvel writers decide that responsibility means "unending suffering in a callous and cruel world, where you get beaten down until you have nothing left and become jaded", which is absolutely not what it means, and especially not for Spider-Man, yes he struggles to keep up with his responsibilities, but the "moral" was never meant to be that his responsibility was a character flaw- He already faced enough trauma due to his own irresponsibility, that's why he does what he does in the first place- But I'm gonna stop before I go off on another rant. My point being, it should be more than possible for fans with the needed skills to come together and make what we've all been missing over the years-

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

Stop interrupting yourself

[@Dmobley9901]

@@thatitalianlameguy2235 I never thought of that, thank you.

[@shinecomics]

This is why I Love the older Spider-Man comics, and the Ultimate Spider-Man comics

[@serbukmomogi]

ultimate run are goated

[@estebansamra7255]

Love ultimate. Roger stern omnibus should be arriving today!

[@prolastmedia6171]

After Secret Wars, they had the perfect opportunity to redefine the Spider Man franchise for the better: *Peter* - The aging, experienced, wisened Spider teacher *Miles* - The growing, out of place, struggling Spider trainee *Mayday* - The young, optimistic and naive Spider enthusiast An aging Peter shouldve put all his efforts in to training up Miles Morales as Miles struggles to find his way in the new 616 in which he has no experience - have Miles be the young, struggling Spider while Peter finally finds his footing in a career as some sort of Investigator/Investigative Journalist, marries MJ, and has a child, i.e. May Parker, ala Defalcos run (who was "killed" in Secret Wars). Over the years as Peter ages out of Spider Man, have Miles age into becoming the main Spider Man. Then continue the process w a child Mayday Parker being next in line to take the mantle from Miles, as she ages into an optimistic, overly excited Spider Girl who has yet to learn the value of responsibility, only appreciating her Father and her Uncle Miles for their "cool factor" if you will. This was such a clear direction to take the Spider family in, but Marvel editorial hates Spider Man.

[@prolastmedia6171]

And if they wanted an evil Spider-Man villain, they shouldve used Kaine - not Ben Reilly - again, ala Defalcos run

[@windghost2]

@@prolastmedia6171 Agreed.

[@somerando5961]

@@prolastmedia6171 I'd prefer if Kaine stayed a hero and got a follow up with his friendships in Houston that kinda blew up

[@prolastmedia6171]

@@somerando5961 I totally get that, I only say Kaine would be a better fit for a roll like Chasm then Ben because at least Kaine has a textured history of being villainous at times whereas before recent years, Ben was supposed to be heroic on the same level as Pete. I like the idea of Chasm but ideally it couldve been an original character all together

[@MarioSonicBee]

People seem to forget that Peter doesn’t live in a bubble. Once you age up Peter, you age up EVERYONE. Suddenly Tony Stark becomes 60, Bruce Banner maybe even 70. That won’t work out.

[@prolastmedia6171]

*I* *needed* *this* - Degenerate Jay has a way of roasting media in a style I find so cathartic. And after Zeb Wells' last few, horrendously awful stories, I need catharsis.

[@DegenerateJay]

That's high praise and I very much appreciate it, thank you!

[@prolastmedia6171]

​@@DegenerateJayMy favorite variety channel you are!

Zeb Wells is burning and poising the well of faith in Spider-Man EXTREMELY fast and Spidey’s low-key been struggling since OMD

[@prolastmedia6171]

@ Yep - soon fans will move past anger into the realm of apathy - if they dont change things up, Peter Parkers Spider Man (as far as comics go) will fall into irrelevance

[@Reach008]

I give it 6 months before everything gets set back to how it was. Remember, in the first issue we saw MJ’s skin on a bed and everyone seems to have forgotten that so I’m sure it’s either not her, or Paul and the kids are going to be retconned out by being demons or something. While the nick soencer run dragged at times, I loved how simple it was and always had Peter and mj together, it even gave one more day a reason and got rid of it!

[@daffyduck9323]

She wasn’t skinned alive by Moria she was just used as a puppet by her with some sort of electric collar

[@rickrivers2021]

MJ was not in an abusive relationship with Harry in the 616 universe. She just wasn't all that interested in him. Unless they retconned this later, which would be weird, as that is very obviously not the route Lee or Conway were taking the characters

[@HappyLarry.]

Well, I mean weren't they dating when he was freaking out and becoming Green Goblin?

[@rickrivers2021]

@@HappyLarry. Nope. They broke up right before ASM 121, while Norman was still Green Goblin. When he was dating MJ, he was just a rich kid with a sucky dad, quite harmless. Much later however, he was quite psychologically abusive to Liz and Normie. Between the LSD overdose and Norman's death he became a real basket case. But again, that all came after MJ broke up with him

[@rebal180]

I feel like the whole Spidey being seen as a villain trope needs to stop being used. He can never truly be viewed as a hero in his own comics. I have lost count of how many times he's been framed and people actually believe it until he clears his name. Which as this point he shouldn't have to do. It's so dumb. This dude BEEN saving people since the 60's and they're like nah he's gotta be on the run from the law. Because Doc Ock or Mysterio or The Kingpin has pinned some random crime on him that no one should ever believe he committed.

[@nicolasbaez9082]

The worst part is that the only times he’s seen as a hero is when he dies like in Avengers Twilight. Jameson is on his side now, why is he seen as a bad vigilante?

[@kaiju1281]

What Marvel Editorial doesn't understand is that they are losing an opportunity to sell Spider-Man to another part of the society that is not that interested in comics. Young dads. If Spider-Man's relatability as a teenager was that he just "had problems", young dad-Spidey is "literally me". Just swap Spider-manning with some kind of job that basically forces young dads to miss a good chunk of their kid's childhood and boom, literally me.

[@javonscruggs8233]

Even eddie brock has grown more in the comics then peter has recently

[@firehaps]

The worst thing about this drip feeding of how we got to the current status quo is that we already know what the end result is. There's no tension. They wrote themselves into a corner so that this couldn't have been anything other than contrived bs. They were honestly better off just keeping it a mystery.

[@TevyaSmolka]

Also I agree this current Spider-Man comics we have now are just garbage and make no sense whatsoever and frankly at this point I have reached my breaking point with this garbage that's its not fun anymore.

[@diegoibarra6646]

I wonder if a comic boycott for spider-man would have any effect on the quality or would somehow convince the writers to tank the quality

[@NONE.Dragon]

Marvel REALLY wants us to like Miles. At this point, i wouldn't be surprised they want to make Peter a long run villain and give Miles the MC position like they wanted all the time.

[@sharkapuppet]

I say we boycott miles instead cuz if they weren’t wasting our time on characters no one cares about they could give us some decent stuff we actually want

[@Klonoahedgehog]

Bruh comic sales are so low nowadays that a boycott would just end up killing Marvel comics lol

[@sharkapuppet]

@@Klonoahedgehog they’ve been in that situation for nearly thirty years. If all they do is crank out woke crap and ruin legacy characters perhaps they deserve it

[@sharkapuppet]

@@Klonoahedgehog I mean all they do is spit in the face of the people who’ve kept the industry on life support for decades

[@valletas]

The superior spiderman arc was really good Its a shame that marvel wont let villains have redemption arcs

[@daraghokane4236]

They want it to be episodic not a series. Homer Simpson can't give up drinking die or change jobs because to be a change. Used to be different because they didn't plan on dragging story on so main characters could die not anymore

[@Icemario87]

@@daraghokane4236 The Simpsons is an animated sitcom. It's originally designed to be that way. Even Rugrats grew up. A show based on babies; they all grew up, graduated, got jobs and even children. Because Rugrats was not a sitcom, it was a moral play. Comics often focus on issues of morality and maturity. Those concepts only fit in a world where the character can grow. Very different than a sitcom like Seinfeld.

[@robofistsrevenge3288]

The problem is that Marvel editorial took the wrong lessons from Superior's slow rise to popularity among fans. I, along with many others, initially _hated_ Superior during those first few issues for a variety of reasons, but as the months went on, I couldn't ignore the great writing, suspense, and character moments. It wasn't perfect, but it felt fresh and exciting, and seeing a villain as old-school Silver-Age-esque evil as Otto go through the humble nuance of a full-blown redemption arc was kind of insane. Marvel Editorial is so averse to good writing that they saw the success of the book and just went "Oh, this must mean that people love Doc Ock! So we should really bring him back and double down on how villainous he can be! Fans will love it!" Same with Spider-Gwen and their bizarre obsession with giving all of their characters a Gwen variant. Hell, I _love_ Gwen Stacy and her role as Spider-Woman, but _damn_ they've taken it way too far way too quickly.

[@Icemario87]

@@robofistsrevenge3288 It's just flat disrespect. See the latest Mario movie to witness the difference between producers respecting the source material versus say Star Wars to see the disrespect. Or Doctor Who, or Star Trek, or Lord of the Rings. It's obvious when you look for it.

[@biiyen8458]

Peter was a character who deserved an ending, a happy one at that. His ultimate goal was to save lives and fight bad guys, it had no real endgame and for a story to run with the same plot for more than 60 years Peter was bound to get warped out of shape just to maintain relevance.

[@donovanmartin7946]

ok at this point, spider man just needs a reboot comics wise forget one more day and all that other nonsesne bring back classic spider man we know and love and even bring bacj gwen stacy for crying out loud i'd consider her and peter to have a better relationship than him with mj, always felt like it was forced

[@gort3111]

100% agree, they tried to go classic again with the beginning of spencers run but that got wrapped up in continuity really quickly and fell off hard. We need fun stories back.

[@maikebu]

We had the Ultimate Spiderman run, and enough TV shows have done a reboot. Don't know what a proper solution would be tho. Maybe a game focusing on the origins

[@farquarwion4324]

​@@maikebu that's the thing even tho they reboot they go back to the same thing. It's not rebooting it's not following through with it

[@spider-423]

I think my problem with Spider-Man 616 comic books and why I haven't been all that interested because peter has been from what you have said written out of character along with the whole marvel universe has been giving him a ton a grieve or hatred. Jay can I ask you this I used to love superior spider-man but, me and a friend talked about the problems with superior spider-man and my jaw dropped to the floor and realized even before that comic Spider-Man has been a constant failure of a character while other spider characters have progressed and evolved.

[@numerousncomicsandlegos6780]

In short, all of everything as to why Peter and MJ aren’t together anymore isn’t because of that Mayan guy, or Paul… It’s because of bad writing

[@greece_rome]

Wrong. Paul is the source of war, famine, pestilence, global warming, the Holocaust, 9/11, and Peter’s problems.

[@ianmason6867]

I have read Spider-Man since 1979, and I can tell you, at least in my time, the One More Day story , its effects on Peter & MJ, and really Joe Quesada himself were all the WORST THINGS ever to happen to these comics. It came from Quesada's CONCEIT that he was not an editor or steward of these characters but that they were his own personal toys to do what he alone wanted and basically screw the rest of us and the fans. (it's magic, we don't have to explain it) His over reach even drove JMS away from the books and he didn't want his name on the OMD story just because he thought it was done so bad and the selfishness of Quesada. He has set the character back so far and set him on a downward spiral that they still have not pulled out of and they have not told ONE STORY (which was his stated reason) that they could not tell with a married Peter. IT was utter BS and falsehoods to justify taking away 30 years of character development to make him 70's Peter Parker forever.

[@QTRemnant]

Yea the only thing that I'm enjoying from this spider man run is the Felicia and Peter relationship. No hate to miles (his current run is great), but come on marvel.

[@ShineDark]

Actually, this strategy really doesn’t sell anymore. Even back in the mid to late 2010s, Spider-Man comics were consistently breaking 100K in sales per issue. Nowadays they’re lucky to break 30K an issue.

[@BasketCase420]

That's sad that such a great character is getting screwed over and has been for years

[@rickrivers2021]

The Clone Saga did not write Peter in character. Just because there's things to defend in that era, it doesn't mean his characterization is one of them. They had him hit Mary Jane, briefly become a villain, and just act unapologetically selfish on a regular basis. The Post-Clone Saga era while generally pretty sucky, did start to move him back in the direction of his natural character, but he didn't fully recover as a character until Paul Jenson and JMS (and even that didn't last too long). The last writer to give us a full ASM run with Peter consistently in character over the entire span was Micheline.

[@itsdantaylor]

16:26 Honestly i think what they need to do with MJ is pick a lane. Either have her be the 'Lois Lane' to Spiderman or have her break off and be her own character. I'm not the biggest MJ fan but I think it would be infinitely better from a story perspective to have her just get away from the Spiderman stories because the constant back and forth doesn't do her character (or spiderman's) any favors and at this point you just have to rip off the band aid IMO.

[@danielendless]

For goodness sakes even Superman managed to get the girl Hopefully the success of the Spiderverse movie can shake things up due to Peter B. Parker having a kid

[@nodansland303]

All you need to realize is that Queseda had a mid-life and wanted a young adult Spider-Man again. The reason One More Day has stuck is because he's never really dealt with his existential dread of aging.

[@doorsfan173]

My big problem is that, ever since Brand New Day, that is Peter's base status quo. They return him to it, or something very close to it, when a run or arc wraps. While I really hated (and still hate ngl) OMD, and acknowledge that the BND era and everything that follows has had some highlights, it's been about 15 or 16 years of the reversion to screw-up, unlucky, man-child Peter. I think it's time they take him somewhere growth oriented in the long term again. I'm complicit in this myself, but IDT Marvel will learn their lesson unless people stop buying ASM; in March ICv2 reported ASM #21 as the top book in terms of units moved. I have a mail sub through Midtown Comics and have turned off my renewal. Once these last few issues wrap, that's that for me until something changes. First time in my comic-reading life that I've ever elected to stop reading a Spider-Man book. Sad, but I'm sick of what they're doing to him.

[@aqua6428]

I don’t understand how editors think that character development, CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT, you know, one of the most fwucking essential parts of a compelling story is just not important. Also, I hate the idea that miserable is relatable. Sure, I suppose it can be relatable, but I want to relate to a character who strives to be a better version of himself and never gives up and by doing so, I can recognize that capacity within myself and become a better person.

[@jimbroaudio]

I feel this is actually the perfect time for Deadpool to get involved lmao Deadpool sees that Peter keeps getting screwed over again and again, so Deadpool decides "fuck it, got nothing better to do today." and leaves the comic book to threaten Marvel Editorial into giving Peter "A good story for once".

[@real.Z267]

Fight scenes between superheroes are hard imo. If you were a writer and planned on making a fight scene between two heroes, you must have an extremely valid reason behind it without having at least one of the two heroes look as if they were the bad guy. You must have a mastered viewpoint on the plot and think outside the box. Like you said, the fight scene between captain America and Spider-Man had significant meaning. There were so many themes behind their battle. Which is why it worked.

[@itsdantaylor]

I've always had issue with Spiderman but I think a lot of those issues I have with the character stem mostly from how he is constantly written OVERALL. More so then most marvel characters they keep trying to REVERT him back to what he's always been. I mean yeah, sometimes I don't agree with certain character changes (wasn't big on his marriage to MJ, but I can see why One More Day caused issues for fans) BUT often times it seems these backpedals don't help his character a lot. It's kind of like Iron man in the MCU, they kept on having to like retcon any character development he has for the next movie and it just doesn't make his character look great when you examine it as aw hole.

[@bahlol-lodhi9712]

It's crazy how Miles's comics are currently Wayy better then Peter midkers story line rn, zeb wells genuinely fucked up so bad

[@B3N_Youtube]

Expect for the Multiverse Story for miles, that shit was stupid

[@Icemario87]

All intentional.

[@artie_0382]

​@@Icemario87 what do you mean?

[@Icemario87]

@@artie_0382 Peter's been under attack by the writers for about 20ish years. Clones, divorces, breaks in character, personality changes, dying, being replaced by various characters, etc. They gave Doc Ock a better story than Peter, same with Miles.

[@Tokmurok]

​@@Icemario87 they hate white men. That's why they are focusing on other Spider-man characters like miles, gwen, ock, etc. Marvel has gone totally woke.

[@gamrage]

The truth is that the writers are afraid that if Peter's story comes to a resolution, the money flow stops. They're afraid of changing Spider-Man from Peter to someone else. Maybe because the clone saga was such a shipwreck. Miles Morales has recently changed things up though. People are more accepting that Peter is not the essential Spider-Man anymore.

[@SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario]

Nobody is fucking buying the 616 comics The industry is dying it’s like if Garfield stopped making comics, sure there would be outcry from people who never gave a shit, but they ain’t even gonna lose money

[@electrobob992]

Now what they could do... Have peter end up with MJ, but after some incident like a villain attacks her or something.. Resulting in her being severely injured and in a coma. Maybe even having moments where Peter has a mental breakdown similar to when he lost gwen. After she awakes weeks or months later she seems different, they argue, lots of yelling, etc, so much so they break up. Around the same time a mysterious female vigilante appears in the city fighting crime, while Peter is busy dealing with the break up. Then after some massive city wide conspiracy or destruction, peter would go back to fighting crime. Spiderman ends up being saved by this new mystery hero, who he doesn't even know their name. This happens quite a few times, so much so peter starts to fall for her which comes to a head when he outright admits his feelings to her after they became allies. Now one of the big shocks could be.... This vigilante outright says his secret identity, like "Thank you peter" or something. Of course this would shock him so much that he would ask who she is, which would cause her to actually surprise him by saying "I don't actually know, I just woke up one day with the desire to help people. Can't remember anything before that" Then after sometime she would actually take off her mask to see if he can help her find out who she is. For some reason Peter would feel a sense of familiarity with her, but can put his finger on it. Then start a long arc where Peter would try to help her figure out her past, things come to a head when they end up helping Dr. Strange deal with some conflict. Where Strange gives a shocking revelation. "She seems similar to someone you knew very well" He'd try a spell, fully revealling the secret.. She actually is mary jane, or should I say a PART of her. Not MJ but also MJ. Loophole ftw.

[@donovanmartin7946]

i just dont understand why cant marvel comics just hard reboot spider man comics to bring him back to some golden age runs but maybe in a different light, i feel like that should have been doing this for the longest time

[@KoldOmega1]

Very saddening to constantly hear about this character we all love never being able to have a single happy ending ever. Even if one thing goes right for Peter something 10 folds worse happens in response.

[@lostrobot3666]

I'm so glad that someone is finally talking about how trash Spider-Man comics are nowadays. I'm a fairly new comic book fan. I've been at it for roughly 3 years, and my graphic novel collection has grown immensely. I have tried so hard to find good Spider-Man comics, and out of maybe 19ish of them, I only like about 4, most of which aren't even in main continuity. I've now resorted to avoiding Spider-Man comics altogether. Thanks, D-Jay. I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[@RAHAnimated]

I’m getting sick and tired of the writers trying to make his life a living hell. The reason he did so well because he was relatable. Not unbelievably unlucky

[@DotorInsanity]

2:19 Then Marvel's Editorial (and Mephisto) has won. This is why they are doing this...to forever destroy the relationship between them so people can stop asking them to undo it. Until Editorial is changed at Marvel, Peter will forever be a "teenage" loser. With that in mind, I just can't wait for Black Cat's version of OMD

[@machomachoduck2096]

Spider-Man wouldn’t even have to explain himself to the FF or to Captain America. They would trust him regardless.

[@TevyaSmolka]

Personally for me all I want is Peter parker and Mary jane to have there daughter mayday parker spider-girl alive and kicking in the mainstream marvel universe yes but also a bonus have miles Morales Spider-Man become the main Spider-Man while the Peter and MJ get to live happily ever after and boom problem solved everybody wins at least that's what I would do in a heart beat but that's just my opinion.

[@dedydahlan]

My friend, you have said everything I wanted to say about Spider-man's current situation. I was planning to make a video to rant about this, but you obviously have covered it. Thank you!

[@DegenerateJay]

Those are very kind words, but I'd be interested to hear your video as well. I'm sure you'd have an angle or some information or even examples I didn't cover!

[@albion65]

This is the same damn story that was used in seasons 3 and 4 of AGENTS OF SHIELD to keep Fitz and Simmons apart! Good Gawd how cliched can you be Marvel?

[@lexofpower2822]

Yea the problem with Spider-Man nowadays is that it doesn’t matter who’s writing Spider-Man, editorial will be the one who dictates where he goes. A lot of people were upset Zeb Wells was announced to be part of the Deadpool 3 movie script and I’m like “guys, his Spider-Man being mediocre is not entirely his fault”. He’s a good writer: Carnage USA was good, i really enjoyed his Ant-man miniseries, and I’m about to read his acclaimed Hellions. Seems like the best comics that are coming out at Marvel are X-men, Thor and Fantastic four. People have enjoyed those the most and I’m getting more into DC.

[@MajorlyDevilish]

So I'm gonna say a few things here, and People aren't going to like them, but most the problems you point out with modern Spider-Man a lot of other marvel and DC comics also have, and the main reason for this is because the people working on these major comics hate there audience, and no, I'm not joking when I say that the people working at marvel comics, I'm talking writers, artist, colourers, editorial, a lot of them really do hate the comic book audience, and this leads into another problem with modern marvel and that is that the "writers" making these stories don't see these characters as characters, they don't think of these characters as people, they think of them as tools to spell a narrative. To steal from xenoblade chronicles 3, they want marvel comics to be in a "endless now," where nothing changes and the world never grows. I don't really want to go any further than this because I've basically lost all interest in American comics at this point, But I do wanna respond to your comment of "these people are making bank off of mediocre stories." - They're really not making bank, Like Disney and Sony are making bank off of things like the movies, videogames and merchandise of Spider-Man, but as for the people working on the main series comics, they get jack shit, even the Spider-Man comics aren't really selling anymore. There's more interest around renew your vows, back issues, and the videogames than there is about the mainline comics. Anyway that all I got to say. I hope you have a good day.

[@anotherunreliablenarrator]

On a better, unrelated note, I just got an ad for Gamefly. I hadn't heard the name in years and years and it brought back a lot of good memories, like when Spectacular Spiderman was airing.

[@l4l01234]

I still remember when Brand New Day came out with all these promises from the editors that we’d get fresh stories of Peter Parker with new meaningful relationships now that he was “freed” from the shackles of MJ’s relationships. Stupid as the concept is, I don’t think they ever even delivered on that promise either. What meaningful relationship of Peter’s has been explored at all in the last 10-15 years that isn’t just rehashing old characters from before the big reset?

[@mysteryone8462]

Sorry 616/main earth Peter, but you're just no longer making sense or feeling like Spider-Man. I'll stick with dad 982 Peter, he was actually allowed to GROW UP and become a dad. Mayday is my favorite of the Spider people, and I love just how good of a dad 982 Pete is. So I'm largely gonna stick with that universe along with Renew your Vows because they let Peter grow up past the status quo of being the most miserable person alive. And this is coming from someone that has always loved Spider-Man ever since I heard of him and saw the first Raimi movie, so I don't want to give up on any version of Spidey. But I can't help but feel as though 616 Peter forgot what it means to be Spider-Man, especially with OMD. The Peter I grew up with would have honestly let Aunt May go even if it hurts because it's not worth sacrificing every good thing he did. So, sorry 616 Pete. I'm gonna have to let you go, even if you eventually get a chance to grow up and go back to being the Spider-Man i knew.

[@iainmacadam2119]

I don't disagree that good things came out of the clone saga, and the hook of drawing from a story in 1975 to tell us that the last 20 years were a lie was incredibly attention grabbing... in a time when we weren't bombarded with those kinds of major temporary shakeups. However, even if it's good, that doesn't make it not the event that established the pattern of constant "We're changing everything in a shocking way-just kidding!" Maximum Clonage walked so One More Day could run.

[@DegenerateJay]

You're unfortunately right. I enjoy a lot of what came from that event as far as characters, but yes, it was a stepping stone to worse things in the mid 2000s and by probably 2010 a lot of Spidey stuff spiralled out of control.

[@Mankey619]

The only good Spider-Man comic I remembered reading are Spider-Man:Renew Your Vows and Spider-Man:Life Story. They did an awesome job showing that Peter can be both a hero and a family man at the same time. While Life Story really shown how Peter has grown over the years as timid teenager to becoming wise just like his uncle, and those were spin-off titles. Unlike the current comic verse they just do t give a damn about developing Peter Parker’s character.

[@TwilightBinder]

Goblin babies. That is when I stopped buying or even reading New Spidey. When they did that to Gwen, I saw the writing on the wall and knew it was all downhill after that.

[@qwefg3]

Main issue is simple. After one more day they found I easier to taunt a relationship than to write one. Every comic he hooks up with a new possible.romance and after each run he gets slapped back to his initial starting point with his old flame dumping him or something stupid. Renew your vow sold more than the main line comics so they canceled it to pair him up with MJ just to break it up again like they always do. Lets face it. Miles will get a wife and children before Peter does.

[@kevinkhataba199]

He already has, isn't he with Gwen.

[@fromundaman]

I agree with you on most points, and yet my favorite Spiderman run at this point is the Ultimate Spiderman run which did change a bunch of things you mentioned... But that run had lasting consequences for things that happened. I think that no matter what direction they choose to go with Spiderman, they need to stick with it. Having everyrhing undone constantly makes it annoying to follow. "Horizon labs/Parker Industries/Marriage/etc? Wonder how he'll lose that? There it is."

[@WhiteIkiryo-yt2it]

Best Spider-Man was the 90's cartoon. That will always be the true Peter Parker to me.

[@ji_ji_]

actually im glad this kinda review still exists. and isn't just playing madlibs with the word "woke" for SEO .

[@ji_ji_]

The last person I saw talk about Spiderman was some guy who used "woke" as a synonym for Self-insert -- and contrasted Spiderman ( a character with decades of stories) to characters with substantially less (maybe even scenes) . Sufficive to say , this video is actually thought out and well put together.

[@spideraty1529]

I agree with you they are being stupid with peter and mj relationship and making Norman Osborn a good guy (especially having peter trust him which is the worst thing )just so he can go bad again is stupid he should have been dead or stay in jail

[@jamesjackson6563]

That's why I always read past marvel stories. Especially for Spider-Man I'm definitely done with modern marvel. 1. There's to many spider characters/spider verse events. 2. They have no idea what they want to do with Peter and mj's future. 3. Norman being "reformed" is temporary, unnecessary and just plain stupid we all know it's not going to last. Why on gods earth would anyone forgive a man who threw his first love from a bridge. This is why to me earth x is my favorite alternate future for Peter parker aside from mj dying from cancer in that universe. That's my only gripe. But the toll of being Spider-Man affects Peter in realistic ways in that story for sure. Good video 💯

[@BrandontheAwesome]

I agree with you dude!

[@kaiser1963]

the spiderverse shit has been played out for a decade now.

[@mananexus]

What makes me mad about this is that it’s only Spider-Man they do this to not any of the other marvel heroes

[@patd9850]

Everything I agree with on your videos! Spider man Pater Parker are now trash. Yet for some reason they just keeping the brand new day consequences.

[@thelocalfortuneteller]

Kubo and the Two Strings (2016) addresses this issue more broadly. If a story has no ending, this sort of thing is inevitable.

[@andrewgarrett1356]

I can't believe it's gotten to a point where the main continuity Spider-Man issues have become just as bad as say the Rosario + Vampire anime adaptation. Anyone who has read the manga and seen the anime will back me up on this. It's fucked up to think Spider-Man can only seem to be done right in Elseworld stories where anything can happen because it's a what-if not bogged down by the rules of continuity. I loved the Punishing Spider and Shadow of the Spider comics. They were interesting and different, but they still managed to perfectly encapsulate who Peter Parker is as a character. He's the guy that goes the extra mile for everyone else no matter what the universe throws at him. Shadow of the Spider did this better in my opinion because The Punishing Spider was a what-if about Peter Parker being the Punisher before Frank Castle. And you know what? That Peter Parker got a happy ending. He managed to save Gwen Stacy, he married her, and he managed to successfully retire from the superhero business without getting pulled back in. Also, because he killed his rogues gallery, nobody was around to come after him for revenge. Take that however you want, but these stories prove that Peter Parker can get his shit together and be happy. Why this only has to be an Elseworld thing instead of a main continuity thing is beyond me. Watching what Marvel editorial has done to Peter Parker is like watching a good friend who I've known my whole life getting curb stomped and pissed on while I'm helpless to do anything about it.

[@D00M3R_MAVS]

I've got that story with the Mayan god, I know I have a new Variant cover I got last week that has that white-skull dude you showed. I've not read them though. Not sure how much of it I have either. Just know for sure I have an issue with that white-skull dude on it. Are there any modern books you'd recommend? DC as well. I might as well pick up some things that are actually good, that also have nice Variant covers I like.

[@whathappenswhenimbored]

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I wish Marvel would move away from Earth 616. Writers could just chose a different earth when they take over a character. They could let characters have arcs, write the story they want to write and then they end it.

[@DanniDarko_]

Peter parkers spider-man has been my favorite fictional character since before i could talk. After all the character assassination they’ve done it him over the last two decades, part of me wishes they’d just pull an ultimate spider-man and just kill off 616 peter

[@Icemario87]

If they killed him off, they couldn't further torment him and debase his moral character. What good would that do when the goal is demoralize young men?

[@Joyoboyogomu]

Spider-Man has been garbage with a few highs every now and then for the past two decades

[@roller98]

Facts, Spider-Man haven't had any good runs since ultimate Spider-Man

[@retronerds6884]

The only high was Spencer's run

[@Cklert]

Honestly I just want Peter to get a win in his life. And that win stay a win. Never returning to the status quo. There's only so much unluckiness a character can experience before it becomes some sort of masochistic fantasy.

[@richborn6700]

Peter Parker has essentially been a broke 28yr old loser since 2007. How has it been almost 20 years since OMD, which in itself had a twenty year gap since the series was top quality. I haven't really enjoyed Spider-Man since before Civil War in the JMS days

[@thanglongnguyenvu3815]

spider man has always been about finding the silver lining in the dark. Despite whatever crap happens, he always bounces back strong and positive, to find hope. Modern Spider Man stories just seem to want to simply torture the guy.

[@D00M3R_MAVS]

I liked the Clone Saga for same reasons. Is the "one more day" one with Mephisto? I never read that, but I remember in the Comic book shop I used to go to, when I asked people about good Spider-Man stuff, they always said Spidey was dead after this event. I seem to remember after Superior Spidey there was a sort of Reboot done which could have been when Slot first started writing him? These books were good from what I remember. I only read the first 3 volumes though.

[@richborn6700]

Slott was already writing several years before Superior Spider-Man. He also relaunched the book where Parker Industries was booming and Peter was essentially Iron Man.

[@D00M3R_MAVS]

yeah the book I'm referring to was not slot, it was the book that was done by someone else after superior finished. like you said slot continued the parker industries thing. The book I'm referring to had aunt may and mary jane back I think.

[@thegoldavenger.3829]

Just reboot the whole damn thing, press the big red reset button. Please, anyone at marvel editorial for the love of god anything

[@ship8erp]

Spider got shafted with the One More Day. People (fans, average folk, storytellers) wanted to have Peter grow with MJ. Marvel insulted EVERYONE when they expected Aunt May to just live because she has to. I wanted to see her have her proper death and that was taken away.

[@rococopati]

the comics industry should focus more on quality over quantity that is why people are focusing more on manga and anime , people will get bored of wolverine,batman,spider man ,avengers,xmen,superman, and the rest if you have them on 4 or more books a week.

[@thacoolest13]

One reason I can never get into big comics like a marvel or dc super hero comic is because it feels like the characters never really grow or change. Its like watching a TV show and seeing characters make the same mistake over and over and over again in the same season. I get that the comics are meant to go forever but I guess that's just not something I'm interested in if it feels like my favorite characters are stuck in a loop.

[@KnightsRealm98]

Spider-Man is one of the three most popular superheroes of all time next to Superman and Batman. Of the three, he is my personal favorite. All have had some pretty bad runs, but picked themselves up after awhile. Until now. Batman is pretty consistent in quality, so duds can be waved aside. Superman (Clark, that is) has seen a decent resurgence post-Bendis (Jon, not so much sadly. I wanted to like that character). But Spidey? Despite JMS and Dan Slott's best efforts, the character is stuck. And not just him, but MJ, Osborn, Felicia, Venom, and so many others. Big Time and Superior aside (though there's plenty of issues with Superior in hindsight, but JMS also brought us Sins Past so no one's perfect), One More Day was 616 Spider-Man's death knell. At this point, the only solution is for Peter to revoke his deal with Mephisto and for the timeline to repair itself. Yes, that'd be a Flashpoint level event and would have serious repercussions on 616, but maybe Marvel needs that. Or maybe it'd be the New 52 all over again

[@Marco_Onyxheart]

They want to keep writing stories forever. If they change something permanently, they're afraid they can't use the old story beats, and eventually too much has changed to continue writing. Marvel used to change things all the time. They killed Gwen Stacy. And it worked, and they kept writing comics for decades. That fear is completely unfounded.

[@BordrKing]

He did try to cliff notes to Johnny and Ben. But instead of helping him like they probably normally would they say he's gotta wait. Now even though they SHOULD have helped him, the fact that they didn't explains why he didn't bother with Cap who wanted him to wait a few days to clear things up.

[@loudtaste1046]

Spider-Man and the other characters should grow as characters in my opinion and be more simple to read like manga

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

What they did feels legitimately misogynistic to me. Like, Marvel is supposed to be against that sort of thing, but then they write one of their most beloved female characters with the old trope of "leave a straight man and woman alone together and the woman *must* hook up with the man". Like, really, how did that go down? "Hey, you're my only option now and, you know, gotta breed!" Kinda creepy.

[@D00M3R_MAVS]

I buy most of the new Spidey stuff, but I don't actually read them, LoL. I collect Variant cover art, and there's some great Spidey stuff. I will occasionally flick through something, but never really followed any modern stories for a while now. For the most part though I get issues and then bag them right away without even looking inside of them.

[@javiersantanaaviles5885]

Spiderman hasn´t been the same since One More Day, he lost all trace of dignity

[@eolan7567]

They should just run with renew you're vows storyline way better then whatever this is

[@alexferrana3979]

That's why I stopped read comics about Spider-Man since around 2014.

[@joeygamer5387]

Wait wait. We lost Superior Octopus to "money money money"? That's bogus.

[@DegenerateJay]

We lost Superior Ock to exactly that and it sucks.

[@cybertramon0012]

I’m not a serious Spider-Man fan, but when I read about how they decided to take his company and diploma away from him, I was annoyed. There’s only so long you can have Peter be this underdog constantly struggling to make rent before it gets tiring. It would be nice to see him move up in the world, and stay there.

[@langreeves6419]

The best stories at both of the big two are the noncanonicals. Spider-man Life Story is my favorite recent Spider-man story. Other recent favs include Fantastic Four Life Story, Dark Knights of Steel, Superman Day One, the Marvel one shots of heroes deaths called "The End" I'm still subbing many of the canonical series, but the ongoing titles have the problems you mention. And they also get wrecked by the events....the zillions of boring events.

[@spacelordaye]

Dear God, please give us a amazing writer for Peter because I'm sick of seeing one of my favorite characters being treated like bullshit. Just give all the awkward youthful teenage shit to Miles because he's still a TEENAGER. bring back Ben and Kaine and just have Peter move on with his life with MJ. Please.

[@TheUncivilizedNation]

At a certain point Dynamic characters have to just stop being Dynamic. At a certain point a character has overcame most if not all of their mental/moral issues. And when that happens threats against then should be mostly physical or use factors completely out of their control. There’s nothing wrong with static main characters. Just develop side characters and antagonists. They’re all going to run out of development potential anyway Do not force change to an established character because you think they must be dynamic. But don’t go the other way and keep characters to a strict status quo. Both extremes ruin stories and I hate to see such potential wasted because of a cash grab

[@TrueUnderDawgGaming]

The real Mary Jane would never marry someone else. She knows Peter will always return to save her. They’ve been through so much together. Plus, let’s be real, no regular man compares to Peter.

[@aisnota5192]

1:57 Oh, somebody besides me remembers that run.

[@ianbruno237]

Why did Peter even need to leave the suit in the ground? He could’ve just left and still had the same effect or even better they would’ve never known if it was Spider-Man as Johnny states in the issue “the feds found your spider suit” you think with how Pete has done this hundreds of times he would be a little more organized. He’s written as the most incompetent hero now and it sucks

[@retronerds6884]

Out of character writing

[@ianbruno237]

@@retronerds6884 ding ding ding