Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse | Kingpin's Tragic Backstory

[@cerulee]

I gotta say I love just how twisted and evil Doc Ock is in this universe. She knows full well that anyone brought over from other dimensions will eventually disintegrate, implying it's a painful way to go, yet she's willing to help Fisk bring alternate versions of his wife and son into their dimension not caring about their fates. She just wants to do it because she can.

[@qiang2884]

Not just because she can, but because it's fun!

[@khairuljapar3363]

She only care that her invention came to fruition disregard consequences. like any Doc Ock, invention first, Peoples life later. If he were to put in army, he may be the most dangerous person.

[@jacksonmorse8516]

“As many families as you want.” Damn, that’s fucked up.

[@lorddaraken7568]

That's probably why she said if we can bring as many families as they want...

[@therealbahamut]

Also gotta give the lady some serious props. She took a beating from not one, not two but THREE spiders at once and held her ground.

[@kildaver]

The tragic story of how a man's head slowly descended into his sternum.

[@shawnadams6485]

auuuuugh

[@comicsansseraphim4934]

Because of his W E I G H T

[@pasoking2483]

I actually never recognized the progression 💀

[@premiumheadpats4150]

🤣

[@CircuitReborn]

​@@comicsansseraphim4934 thats not weight. I have weight. That man has gravity.

[@Maplemoose04]

One of the things I really like about this backstory is that he was already a bad guy before the tragedy. So many animated films have the villain become a villain as a result of their backstory, but in this case, it's less of a reason for his cruelty and more of a motivation for what he's doing in the film, as well as making his feud with Spider-Man far more personal. In his eyes, Spider-man took his family away from him, and by trying to stop the collider he's trying to do it again. Just brilliant storytelling all around imo.

[@laudj_art]

He just became even worse, like, the lost of his family was the last drop that spilled the glass

[@spenserfarman3045]

Spiderman might keep interfering with Fisks' plans, but we all know that it was his inability to turn away from a life of villainy. Kingpin will never allow himself to be anything other than a crime boss, and it reflects in how his family was taken from him. Even their alternate versions from another dimension were sickened by what Kingpin was doing to Miles. The universe will never allow him to be happy because he can't change who he is. Even when he has a family, he should've changed for.

[@dinosaurusrex1482]

Dreamworks did something similar in Puss In Boots The Last Wish where Jack Horner's flashback sets up the motivation for his wish and why he has so many magic items but it in no way explains why he is so evil, he just is.

[@Joy-zz8wz]

Doesn't think to blame himself for a second, doesn't try to prevent road accidents. Already the bad guy as a habit, didn't think to be good.

[@huntercool2232]

Agreed, excellent story telling! And you’re right as tragic as his backstory is, at the end of the day you have to look at it this way. Kingpin did this to himself and he has no one else to blame but himself. He may have loved his family, but he was still a bad guy for the things he did and he did some bad things. Very bad things. His family didn’t know his secrets and who he actually was, and when they saw him about to kill Spider-Man (A Hero) they saw who he really was for the first time. They were scared of him and neither of them saw a husband or a father in that moment, they only saw a monster. Kingpin hates Spider-Man and blames him for the death of his family, but what Kingpin failed to see is it wasn’t Spider-Man’s fault his family died, it never was. It was his own.

[@gradientredandblue4336]

I love how comically massive kingpin is, It's intimidating yet goofy and it just feels right.

[@bearzdlc2172]

@MYTHICALNOVA2005 shut up

[@Noebody6970]

​@M Y T H I C A L N O V A LOOK AT THE SCREEN

[@zanochureal7588]

​@MYTHICALNOVA2005 1:02

[@queterian1526]

@@Noebody6970 it's an ai, it literally can't

[@Redbird_]

​@M Y T H I C A L N O V A _your existence , is pretty cringe my sir._

[@DeanRocks-kr7wv]

What I love about this backstory is that it doesn’t excuse Kingpins actions or justify him. It just explains his motivation, why he’s doing what he’s doing.

[@chillbizz74]

He knows what he did was wrong but after hearing about his wife and son's death is what broke him and turned him straight into a villian

[@SOM-v4o]

​@@chillbizz74He was a villian before.

[@chillbizz74]

@@SOM-v4o ofc he was but after witnessing the death of his family he would never be able to redeem himself, he could've done it before..

[@dewolf123]

​@yahyathegamer7499 No he could not, he's always going to be evil and that's it. He doesn't deserve a family anyway

[@MrFilmfan86]

I have pity for Vanessa and her son, Richard but none for kingpin! They're dead because of his decision to be a crimelord. Of course he'll blame Spiderman rather then himself!

[@themasterofcommentsandrese4351]

“As many families as you want” she might be aware of the results.

[@malikacunninghammer324]

I don’t get it. Wouldn’t his family just eventually disintegrate? Why did she say as many?

[@sarahd3422]

@@malikacunninghammer324 she was probably just trying to manipulate him, even if she knew the results. She appeared to seem manipulative in her speech when she said "as many families as you want" I think she would have betrayed him for her own vendetta.

[@AxelFranciscoSVplus]

The Kingpin Family suffered a traffic accident.

[@Haywood2]

@@sarahd3422 In this situation take a risk.

[@barrydalton4743]

@@malikacunninghammer324 she never cared about Kingpins family. All she wanted was the support to create her machine and the proof that it works. It’s all about the credit, not the lives at stake

[@raineheartily4580]

Love that doc ock slowly rise her standing in front of Kingpin as she is doesn't want to be seen as "lower" than Kingpin

[@bcgazero6472]

Doc had to use all her ock to size up to kingpin

[@alucardsantradideus267]

I just wanna give props to tombstone for not breaking, dude is loyal and straight forward

[@TheTrashyMann]

Did Tombstone have any lines in this movie. He was in a lot of scenes but I don’t think ever had a line

[@seanr.6498]

Tombstone doesn't have much going for him, but he can still be the most stubborn man in the world.

[@BrianFlyingPenguin]

I seem to remember that he doesn't need to breathe.

[@buzzlightyearpfp7641]

@@TheTrashyMann he talked during the fight in aunt mays house

[@TheTrashyMann]

@@buzzlightyearpfp7641 yeah but i think he only had like 2-3 lines

[@roamingnemesis]

I love this scene so much. Her body language, putting her on equal ground with him and then positioning herself above him right as she says "my colider." The fact that she knows his family is just going to disintegrate while he watches helplessly, she's so good. I really wish she was still around in the story.

[@orkoskang7967]

She died killing three of fire giants.

[@princeytron]

@@orkoskang7967She got hit by a truck but in this universe people shrug that shit off all he time. It wouldn’t be a stretch to keep her. Especially with all the multiverse stuff.

[@Xenomorthian]

​@princeytron honestly I find the idea she just got killed by the truck to be funnier Edit: just realised it was the same truck that killed kingpins family and considering what this comment said its fitting she get a karmic death

[@agusnicoletti3051]

​@@princeytron There was a deleted scene where she jumps into the collider after gettin hit by the truck. She's probably still alive, wandering the multiverse on her own, and might appear on Beyond The Spider-Verse. Maybe she's the one causing all the mess Miguel is trying to fix

[@socriabbas454]

You know whats sick and twisted? Is that Olivia doesnt tell Kingpin what would happen to those FAMILY if they were to actually stay in his universe. If Kingpin would actually succeed in achieving his goal then he would see his wife and son die again.. but this time in a very slowly and painful way.

[@sebastianrochefort6763]

She might believe that once they are here she can talk Kingpin into funding her experiments to fix it. Not saying she's altruistic or anything but she might be focusing on the here and now problem fully believing she will be able to fix the minor teething issue of them desyncing out of existence :P still a shitty thing to do

[@cunningsmile4166]

Only happens with the Collider

[@alexschorr9551]

That’s why she says “as many families as you want” since one won’t be enough.

[@massgunner4152]

I think the collider's purpose was to prevent that, since it looked like ir was trying to fuse Kingpin:s reality with another.

[@striker8961]

He'd probably rip her limb from limb, and she has quite a few

[@speks36]

From the side Kingpin looks like a giant among us. I can't unsee it.

[@bash3212]

Hehe. Among us.

[@_black4004]

AMOGUS

[@Tyler_4603]

I can't even see it lol

[@ItzUnkGD]

He literally almost looks like Perkins from Despicable Me

[@speks36]

​@UNKN0WN I don't see it. Perkins had hair, and his head went over his shoulders.

[@lemonke5314]

Im not scared of kingpin because he’s strong,not because he’s bad But because of his size bro! THAT GUY IS AN ACTUAL TITAN HES LIKE 12 FEET TALL AND LIKE 5 METERS WIDE

[@axellikesmilk695]

Agreed.

[@jackmclean4120]

In the comics he has like 2% body fat, he's a powerlifter mixed with a sumo wrestler

[@G_L918]

Why do I see imperial and metric being used to describe a single person

[@lemonke5314]

@@G_L918 12 feet tall 15 feet wide

[@G_L918]

@@lemonke5314 💀

[@SirToaster9330]

I love these characters they are both so intimidating yet they still feel emotions

[@julienvalley28]

1000 like is miiinee

[@albertouthere102]

"you embarrassed me in front of Vanessa"

[@DarknessOfRedbone]

The Russian dude did that, then Wilson beheaded him in response

[@tinycrow8119]

​@@DarknessOfRedbone Spiderman did the same in this movie, Kingpin squashed him like a bug. Literally.

[@wolverine3219]

To this day i can't look at this version of kingpin and laugh my ass off, like... how did Vanessa SURVIVE the making of Richard? XD

[@SmurfySmurf12345]

LOL. For real.

[@thatoneguy5343]

He got some sperms extracted and have them implanted in her. He’s a crime boss, he got the money for that.

[@GreenPaint174]

Fr Vanessa's like the size of his arm lmao

[@GladwinAbel]

Think he’s the best version of the character on screen, as a KZbinr said his huge size make him take over the entire screen, showing how much control he has, he wasn’t just a villain that want to kill Spider-Man, they treated him like a character. Kingpin cause the most impact in the spiderverse story he fractured the multiverse and created the spot unintentionally.

[@0hvist]

She probably liked to be the one on top?

[@erickamakeeaina1649]

I kind of Headcanon that while Wilson was already a villain, he used to be more of an honorable and reasonable one. Wich is how Fisk is, at times, characterized in the comics. He wouldn't have been the type to endanger all reality out of recklessness until he lost his family.

[@ecthox-1mork909]

I also like this headcanon. :)

[@ANP4158]

In other worse he became worse

[@ImTheGuy]

From villain to monster

[@janmots2829]

But it was his fault though, Kingpin wanted money and power and Spiderman stood in the way of that. He wanted to kill Spiderman and was prepared to do so until his wife and son saw what he was about to do. So it was his fault being a bad guy, he coulda just done things the right way and not been so corrupt then his family would have been alive.

[@hamzanajji8615]

No it was spider man fault, you don't go and trasse pass his home where his family at

[@AH-is5yg]

Well said, in this movie is proves that Kingpin isn't going to change and what he's doing by bringing other versions of his family to this world shows he's not taking responsibilities.

[@boydixonentertainment]

@@hamzanajji8615No it was the fault of whoever didn’t follow the rules of traffic. This is specifically why right of ways exist.

[@nitewarden]

@@hamzanajji8615 Errr, Kingpin is a violent criminal. He doesn't get immunity from consequences of hurting or killing people just because he's in his own house. The fact that Kingpin still thinks someone else is to blame for his wife and child reacting with horror to his viciousness shows just how immoral he is.

[@Salik96]

@@hamzanajji8615 He's a fucking criminal he brought that on himself.

[@ninoale100]

Damn, until this fragment, I didn't understand why Kingpin needed a collider. Moreover, before the release of the film, I did not understand this. I thought he killed Spider-Man before the events of the movie, but then I realized that there might be other Spider-Men in the multiverse who could interfere with his plans, but then when he killed Spider-Man of his universe, I began to think what Kingpin was up to. And so, it turned out that he just wants to get his family back. And you know, it's a pretty good motivation. Despite the fact that Wilson Fisk is a ruthless criminal boss, he still loves his family.

[@AH-is5yg]

Trying to bring his family back wouldn't have work anyway sadly. They wouldn't last in his world.

[@absolutez3r019]

@@AH-is5yg that's why Doc Ock said "as many families as you want" . She knows they'll die painfully ,but she doesn't care

[@arzqh]

@@absolutez3r019 fr She wasnt even terrified of Kingpin. Shes a menace

[@AH-is5yg]

@@absolutez3r019 This is the reason why he had to be stop because he would end up killing other families.

[@taddad2641]

humanizes him a good bit. he's a crime boss but that means he's also human and has human motivations. Money, power, yes, but he also loves those close to him and their well being might become a greater motivation for both. And they found out... andied. he's unable t oaccept it. then a crazy bitch comes saying he could be reunited.

[@ivanexell-uz4mv]

1:16 how did bro see that glance? 💀

[@parzh]

That's a grotesque representation of an extreme loyalty

[@ivanexell-uz4mv]

@@parzh 😂

[@johnwufky1634]

Gud question

[@huntercool2232]

As tragic as his backstory is, Kingpin isn’t a victim he’s still a villain. His actions caused what happened and he did this to himself and he has no one else to blame but himself. He may have loved his family, but he was still a bad guy for the things he did and he did some bad things. Very bad things. His family didn’t know his secrets and who he actually was, and when they saw him about to kill Spider-Man (A Hero) they saw who he really was for the first time. They were scared of him and neither of them saw a husband or a father in that moment, they only saw a monster. Kingpin hates Spider-Man and blames him for the death of his family because he can’t except the truth that it’s his own fault his family died.

[@capysarah]

Kingpin never considers that alternate versions of his family would be scared and confused if suddenly ripped out of their own dimension and dropped into his. They won't be happy to see him. They'll either love or hate the version of him from their _own_ universe, not this stranger who kidnapped them. Kingpin is selfishly motivated. He doesn't care about his family, only the _idea_ of them. If he really loved them, he couldn't just replace them.

[@matchesmalone2625]

I can’t get over the Kingpin design. He’s a formidable enemy, but I just can’t help but laugh

[@jediclonekag13]

The death of his wife and son is mostly Kingpin's fault, not Spider-Man's.

[@user-hn5jr9mr6u]

@M Y T H I C A L N O V A yeah at 0:32

[@Kakashi20xd6]

@M Y T H I C A L N O V A Another victim of Truck-kun.

[@ffdgasfdasgjdfgf]

id say it was partial to his wife driving skills as well xD

[@concept5631]

100% Kingpin's fault

[@ShadowXII]

It's entirely Vanessa's fault for not paying attention to the road. She clearly ran an intersection and was thus t-boned for it.

[@connoryou933]

we not gonna talk about how his henchmen didnt stop aiming at doc octs head even after being choked? thats the kind of person im afraid of.

[@mamak339]

Tombstone has always been badass. Look at Spectacular Spiderman's Tombstone and you'll see why

[@pipi-fc5lb]

Tombstone is on demon time always, mainly because he’s a vampire, but still.

[@Fyyde]

It’s tombstone tho, he is fucking invincible especially when you play the ps4 Spider-Man game

[@GhostWalker999]

Isn't tombstone basically invincible?

[@RootOfAllEvil-666]

@@GhostWalker999Yeah but I don’t think that means he can’t die

[@itzshinobi1167]

I’ve always thought it was strange for tombstone of all people to work under kingpin. Seeing how he is also a major crime boss in most spiderman stories.

[@citizenoftheworld2694]

Actually on most Spider-Man stories he’s just a thug. He was a crime boss in the spectacular cartoon because they weren’t allowed to use kingpin.

[@itzshinobi1167]

@@citizenoftheworld2694 ah I see

[@nd7434]

​@@citizenoftheworld2694 he was awesome as a boss in the spectacular show. I figured kingpin was just overplayed so they wrote in tombstone instead.

[@stevepensando2593]

​@@citizenoftheworld2694 Actually, not only that. For some reason they also switched his roles with Hammerhead, with him becoming Tombstone's thug while in the comics he's a crime lord and Tombstone is his henchman

[@joeleboeuf]

This honestly feels like it parallels what happened to Gabriel Agreste from Miraculous. Only instead of losing just his wife, he lost both his wife and son.

[@lmpulsive]

well said Joe LeBoeuf

[@joeleboeuf]

@@lmpulsive Thank you.

[@monsoon1303]

Who’s that?

[@joeleboeuf]

@@monsoon1303 A supervillain from Miraculous Ladybug. Goes by the name, Hawk Moth.

[@ForgottenFafnir]

To be fair Gabriel wasn't a villain, and he lost his wife due to her miraculous (The Superhero transformation devices) being broken and harming her life. Then he went insane and became neglectful and abusive to his son. Another close similarity is to Prowler. He has become a villain with a somewhat noble goal. And his son is the hero who stops him, with neither knowing the true identity of the other. Adrian can't tell his dad because 'Superhero', and Gabriel won't tell his son out of shame and concern. The narrative isn't consistent and sometimes contradictory though. Cause in a alternate timeline where they learnt the truth about one another Gabriel instead went straight for brainwashing is son and getting him to obliterate his girlfriend so... yeah. Inconsistent character flip-flopping between concerned yet neglectful father and comedically evil villain. This is all sort of due to the creator not wanting to give anyone proper character development or exploration. Adrian and Gabriel have the perfect setup and nothing is done with it. Besides a book which Adrian doesn't even get to look at, instead being given to the MC and never returned

[@braedentwumasi8893]

Look what kingpin did if he hadn't become a criminal his family would still be alive and well.

[@Tyler_4603]

Yup. Kingpin did this to himself and blames Spiderman for his mistake. And he tries to bring his family back, in the most dangerous way possible. And when he was fighting Miles, he was put in the same situation and his family left again. I love this movie

[@braedentwumasi8893]

@@Tyler_4603 yep

[@Kyjohnson1500]

"Wilson what are you doing?" Lady your seriously telling me. After years of marriage you had no clue your husband was one the most evil guys in New York. And was the arch nemesis of Spider-Man

[@sambreyer7344]

I think she knew that he was shady. But trying to kill someone? And killing the hero of the city no less? I don't think she knew he was THAT bad

[@matthewforsyth284]

Uh you do know husbands tend to hide stuff form there wives slot you do know that right!?

[@SmurfySmurf12345]

@@matthewforsyth284 And vice versa.

[@KOAGSTRAMA]

I love how they made doc oc in this, she has a sadistic attractive vibe about her. It’s very terrifying 🤔😳

[@fedjamrndic4017]

I like what they did with him. He was clearly evil from the start, but not 100% evil as he cared about his family, only becoming pure evil after they're gone

[@julianburrell5058]

It's funny because in a lot of continuities Vanessa is completely on board with Kingpin's criminal activity. This one just happened to be in the one where he had to keep his wife and kid away from his work.

[@athulpaul1073]

Kingpin is an honorable villain who actually respects his opponents even though he is cruel.But when it comes to his loved ones,he will lose control and become insane,brutal etc. Eg:- "You embarrassed me infront of Vanessa...." Then chops the head of the Russian with car door. He looses his anger when hearing that Karen Page killed Wesley

[@HyperDragoonHx]

Serves Kingpin right for choosing a life of crime. He was beyond the point of no return when he did that.

[@TheAzulmagia]

I know people are pointing out that Doc Ock is evil for (implicitly) bringing multiple iterations of Kingpin's family to die, but let's not forget that her first scene in this building was trying to convince Kingpin not to go through with his plan because of all of the damage it could cause. It's only when he said that she had 24 hours that she decided to go through with it.

[@terryf3282]

Loved this Kingpin and Doc Ock. This Kingpin was way more intimidating than the live action one. Even though he's meant to be only human he can go toe to toe with Spider-man who is many time stronger than Captain America.

[@thatoneguy5343]

At the same time Spidey is always holding back his punches. When Doc Ock stole his body in the comics, he literally punched Scorpion’s jaw off without restraint, which surprised and even kinda scared Doc Ock.

[@terryf3282]

@@thatoneguy5343 Yeh i heard about that but in the Marvel Universe there are so many characters stronger than Spider-Man who don't pull their punches. Also Spider-man is very vunerable he's not even bullet proof to 9mm bullets let alone higher caliber rifles. But he is a lot stronger than street level characters.

[@thatoneguy5343]

@@terryf3282 I guess his enhanced healing factor balances out his average superhuman durability.

[@tadabanri8573]

no amount of his Tragic past will let me hate him less after he killed Peter

[@boxinglearner1996]

And he was bad guy before his family died

[@tadabanri8573]

@@boxinglearner1996 nowadays they desperately want us to sympathize with villains

[@FranciscoPetrucioJunior]

That is the best part. You dont have to! They were intellignet in creating a villain with a tragedy, but who is still evil, irredeemable, and not meant to be like by the audience!

[@RealSolerius]

he literally caused the anomalies happening lol

[@GladwinAbel]

@@tadabanri8573they don’t want us to synthesize with villains they want to treat villains as characters as well, which they are, kingpin is someone who choose his job as a crime boss over his family even after they died he didn’t change, he didn’t accept that it’s his fault, he blames Spider-Man instead of himself. The best villains can also be treated as characters thanos was Treated as the protagonist of infinity war and even though he was a villain you can kinda understand why he did what he did.

[@commando254]

Dang uncle fester had a glow up

[@theamazingandtalentedblake8296]

Lol

[@TheLiamster]

He got *THICC*

[@StrikeCrossoverNexus]

Gotta love tombstone. My mans just sombrely starring at his boss like he knows somethings going on through his head but also knows he shouldnt press him about it in fear of losing his job and his life. Such a good level personality for even characters with no lines. They both have a level of respect and boundaries even if its a brief scene.

[@g-max1808]

Kingpin shouldn’t have blamed Spider-Man for the death of his wife and son

[@ATalesTruth-]

He doesn’t, Spider-Man is just a means to an end

[@Saurophaganax1931]

He’s a villain. Bad people blame others for their own mistakes. Wrongly blaming others is very in character.

[@g2_655]

​@@nc1609You're acting like Spider-Man didn't have a good reason to attack Kingpin in his house. You don't know the context.

[@g2_655]

@@nc1609 I don't know the context, and you don't know either.

[@g2_655]

@@nc1609 Im sure there is a good reason, I just don't know what it is.

[@BrianWalters-ei7sd]

I love how when Doc Ock arrives, she raises herself up to the Kingpin's level. Then, when she reveals that her collider works, but doesn't reveal what will happen to his family if they're brought into his dimension, she raises herself up even more to be above him. This symbolizes that although he's physically stronger than her, she's mentally a few steps ahead of him.

[@93MANIAC]

Interesting fact when Kingpin from the 616 universe had his dead wife cloned by the Jackal Wilson actually killed her short after seeing her because she was not the same person as the original Vanessa and he saw it as an insult to her memory to clone her

[@ede9177]

"We just have to kill a couple of spiders" as if you haven't been struggling for *years* just to kill *one*

[@funnyzombie324]

Right bru😂😂😂

[@rinateramal2204]

They have killed one that was the og spider man And they gotta kill more that will take them Infinity years How are they not tired from killing one wich was for like *years* then don't even kill them

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

The fucked up part is that, if Kingpin and Doc Ock had gotten what they wanted, they would have dragged multiple versions of Kingpin’s wife and son into their universe only for every pair to die slowly and away from their ACTUAL homes. Imagine it from their perspective: you live in a reality where you and your son/mom are existing relatively peacefully, and then an alternate version of your father/husband drags you away from everyone you know and love into another universe (because, given how different the universes can be, there’s no guarantee that everything is the same) where you’re forced to play family with what’s essentially a stranger and guaranteed to die a slow and painful death… and, on top of that, that many versions of you will suffer the same fate.

[@cavespider4353]

Everyone here looks like they hate kingpin but I like kingpin the same way as I like jack horner because of his massive size and being an entertaining villain but still he has no right to blame spiderman since it's his fault for being corrupted and spiderman has to stop him from continuing his corrupted Business

[@superfreddybrosespanol6781]

Oh! Kingpin vs Jack Horner would actually be a very sick fight!

[@alphaw0lfenvt]

Wouldn’t even be a fight I know if Jack had magic he probably would but we would have to count kingpins million dollar technology if was a fist to fist fight ain’t no one Jack last 5 seconds!

[@smoldragon339]

The one thing that has always bugged me about this scene: HOW does Tombstone see Kingpin's little eye movement at 1:14???

[@sambreyer7344]

I think he just knows his boss that well. It also adds to how in sync Tombstone is with his surroundings

[@g2_655]

Maybe he signaled with his hand.

[@smoldragon339]

@@g2_655 I mean, maybe. But if he did, the movie needed to communicate that. Instead, the movie communicates that he signaled with his eyes.

[@g2_655]

@@smoldragon339 I agree.

[@OneWithAngerBait]

For the badass feeling, makes it look cooler

[@ecthox-1mork909]

One thing I really love about the still-frames introducing Kingpin's family, showing Richard's birth and him growing up before we see the night they died, is that it emphasises in a way that most other fiction doesn't just what is lost when a parent loses their child.

[@earljosephroyflores3638]

POV:Tf2 says they are gonna release a new item update but it never comes out 0:02

[@louiswhite4395]

It was all kingpin's fault of trying to kill Spider Man in the first place.

[@omarbaba9892]

I can’t help but laugh whenever kingpin on screen😂

[@camerongreene3357]

The sheer size of him 😂

[@Cosmicmorales]

hes bulking hard on mcdonalds

[@GladwinAbel]

Genius design for the character, I like the angles they use were he takes over the entire screen. Shows his presence and control over everything. The guy cause the most impact on the story, he liked Spider-Man, fractured the multiverse and created the spot.

[@bcgazero6472]

He IS the screen

[@skyspidr]

one of my fave things is like yeah she is being evil and devious as hell w the family lines, but she's TRIED to warn kingpin before! twice in the movie, too, which is honestly so interesting to me

[@maksymilianziele28]

This is the same pen which he kept inside his suit during that day. And every time he thinks about that day, he couldn't stop clicking it. Until he pressed too far. A very pen which his son gave him as a birthday present.

[@dabdabthethird2410]

0:31 the headlights behind the car and them both looking back makes me wonder if he was chasing them and saw the whole thing

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

Crazy how with just a look Tombstone knew to put the guns down

[@broden4838]

If Kingpin encountered either Punisher or Red Hood from the DC universe, he wouldn't last a minute with either of those two

[@rjbutt6097]

King pin is a master martial artis with only 2% of his body being fat the rest is pure muscle the only reason spider man didn’t take him down easy because he holds back his punches

[@userxx611]

@@rjbutt6097 didn't superior spiderman kill scorpion in one punch without even holding back

[@rjbutt6097]

@@userxx611 took off his jaw

[@War-child_]

Kingpin would murder red hood with his bare hands

[@broden4838]

@@War-child_ You realize Red Hood would use an RPG-7 or an M82A1 and not to mention, Deathstroke would give Kingpin's severed head to Mary Jane or Miles Morales

[@VermillionStallion]

As bad as Kingpin is, I'll say that at least he's not a Cold-Blooded Monster who kills without reasons.

[@tahayato_]

bro what? bro he is the kingpin he kills whoever stood on his way he killed peter bro wtf

[@thatonepipsqueak887]

He still is, though.

[@kidz4p509]

It’s still sad. Regardless of Wilson’s actions, it’s still sad seeing him lose his family.

[@Godzillastuff]

0:15 Wilson: You're Dead! Spider Man!!

[@kyreerbohngalvez4438]

Wilson what are you doing!

[@zerubabelgetu]

Venessa?

[@jimstoesz3878]

The way she says "there's three, actually" gives me chills every time. She's kid-in-a-candy-store excited, but there's absolutely no childishness to it. She knows exactly how dangerous her invention is, and it *THRILLS* her.

[@danny_decheeto8300]

Under utilized villain. He was so cool in this movie I hope he comes back

[@waikeonglim7703]

Well he is in Daredevil

[@GladwinAbel]

How was he under utilized homie, kingpin is all about control his giant size takes over the whole screen that’s unusual for a character but it shows how much control he has over everything. Kingpin killed Spider-Man, fractured the multiverse and unintentionally created the spot a multiversal being. He was my favorite interpretation of the character.

[@danny_decheeto8300]

@@GladwinAbel I mean underutilized in general, not in this movie

[@CassandraAtehortua]

This is most saddest backstorh ever that anyone else's. It makes Disney, Pixar, and Dreamworks characters cry so badly

[@thatoneweirdspy]

I like how kingpin’s clothes change slowly into a suit.

[@-kl3ow]

Yeah he got taken over by business and money, great visual storytelling

[@StarlightSnowball]

It’s insane how kingpin wants to steal other kingpins family

[@akka8588]

One little detail that I like here is that Dr. Oc doesn't seem scared of Kingpin or Tombstone

[@JakePerry-n5x]

A story of regret and shame, and what it WILL do

[@Asher_Tye]

Hard to tell if he's using her or she's using him. But Tombstone should really know he's not in Doc Ock's league.

[@srikanthramprasad565]

More like she’s using Kingpin. Because she does know the results.

[@Jisawesomeletter]

He's using her and she's using him

[@terrencemoldern2756]

Actually he’s above Doc Ocks league. In most iterations... You just don’t know or care.

[@Asher_Tye]

@@terrencemoldern2756 I'll give Tombstone a lot of credit, but he's a B-list villain at best. Those arms are more than capable of ripping him apart.

[@BlackDiamond2718]

Practically a genie giving him what he wants. They only work together until they have no use for each other.

[@employee472]

SPIDERVERSE 2 SPOILERS !!!! I find it very interesting how the villain's motivations and consequences become the heroes' motivations and consequences in the second movie. Kingpin is trying to save the people he loves from being gone forever, no matter how much harm he may cause to the dimension/world around him. Now in the second movie, it seems to end with miles being in Kingpin's position, knowing that there may be a way to feign death and save the ones he loves, while ignoring that he would likely destroy the entire world while doing so. Its nice seeing that change in perspective but I also wonder what ending would actually be satisfying while not completely throwing away the buildup. I feel like it would be against the whole point of this movie if he ignored everybody destroys the dimension saving his dad, and I feel like it would be unsatisfying if he could save his dad and the world. I thought I would see more comments pointing this out but I didn't see many so I wanted to comment it !!

[@Cosmicmorales]

0:12 dam, he was kickin his a$$

[@spiderprime]

I just wish Tombstone was taken more seriously in this, then just the henchmen feel to him.

[@DarknessOfRedbone]

Poor guy. He lost his wife and son, then he made more enemies. Wilson goes about his everyday business whilst conquering Spider-Man, Daredevil, AND The Punisher. At a young age we root for the good guys, but as an adult we understand the villains.

[@lisettegarcia7013]

So do I. But the villains shouldn't go to the bad side in order to get what they want from the start to have a good life and nothing bad happening to them again. It's like selling your soul to the "Man Downstairs". He saids he will give you what you want from the start but for something in return. You accept the deal but you just ignore the consequence and enjoy want you want to be happy. But later on, your happy life soon goes downhill and you want to undo the deal you made but it's too late. The "Man Downstairs" tells you there is another way to undo the deal and get your soul back, _but_ many lives would have to suffer the consequences now. That is when people around you and the people you love tell you what you're doing is awful and you don't know what you're doing. You keep telling them; '"I can handle it and what I'm doing can make a good life for all of us!"'. That is when you are slowly heading towards the bad side and becoming a villain. This now reminds me of how Kingpin and Wanda Maximoff are kind of similar in different ways. Kingpin lost his wife and son after they saw him trying to kill Spider-Man, they ran off and were then killed in a car crash. Kingpin thinks that if he killed all the Spider people from different dimensions, he would have his wife and son back. Even if he is ruining the space time continuum by having other Spider people like Spider-Gwen, Spider-Man Noir, Spider-Pig, Peter B. Parker, and Penny Parker cross over to Miles's dimension. With Wanda, she lost her parents, her twin brother Pietro from Ultron, and Vision. She is using her powers to create a reality where her family and Vision were never killed. She even used her powers to create her own children so she and Vision can live together in harmony. But the consequence of what she did is making people around her suffer the same "nightmare" she was experiencing every day, without accepting the loss she went through and not caring how many people she is killing in the process.

[@klv8037]

I understand the pain of losing his family, but he pretty much had it coming to him

[@remc0s]

Heroes always follow morality and laws. Villains understand these concepts to be just empty illusions. Heroes basically force the villains to live within an anti-life system of morality and laws ("Us heroes follow the law, which makes us better people than you!"). The villains know they shouldn't have to live like this because they see the world as it really is. And this is why i tend to side with the villains more now. They are also way more interesting because they think outside of the box.

[@Mourtzouphlos240]

You don't understand selfishness.

[@Josh-oj9mm]

@@remc0s wow what a fucking edgelord

[@bradleythomas3]

My favourite part of this scene is how the right wall during the spiderman fight looks similar to Kingpins painting from DareDevil.

[@ShadowDemon_4]

People keep talking about how Doc Ock knows the family will disintegrate but I think in order to keep herself safe from Fisks wrath she would have been working on tech to keep them stable in their universe like we see in the second movie.

[@UnderMyUnderwear69]

Doubt it, Dock Ock only needs Fisk’s funding. There is no reason for Dock Ock to be afraid of Kingpin since she could literally tear him apart

[@hellomate2405]

What was comical for me was that how did he even have kids with her? And the fact that his wife immediately gets in her car to run away from him just cause he's fighting with Spiderman? I mean no talk nothing im going buh... Bye... (Crash)

[@dianaatehortua3568]

Awwww poor kingpin! He lost his wife and his son both at the same time. 😢 I feel so bad for him. Losing his family makes me and everyone want to cry😢

[@comicsansseraphim4934]

Is it safe for Kingpin to be on that balcony with his W E I G H T?

[@AztecSamurai01]

Because of my *W E I G H T*

[@funnyzombie324]

Yea it's safe for me why would it not be

[@488kkutta]

Kingpin is not fat he's rather buff

[@DesolateAngelDust768]

You know the interesting thing here is that in the comics Richard Fisk grows up to become an enemy of his father, a rival crime Boss named The Rose, and Richard leaves Wilson to die in some way I can’t remember but Vanessa finds Wilson and nurses him back to health. Vanessa eventually kills Richard for betraying his father. It’s just interesting to me on how different it is in this universe than 616

[@pancakepotato1953]

0:43 they really nerfed him in this movie hu

[@GladwinAbel]

He a puppet in this universe makes sense

[@marcuscarana9240]

"(cough cough)Hey, I'm still pointing the gun at you even though you're choking me". Doc Oc: I don't care.

[@7sinEqualsHsinTheUserName.]

He doesn't need to breath

[@srikanthramprasad565]

The voice of Vanessa Fisk is Lake Bell who voiced Poison Ivy in Harley Quinn.

[@nikolaspapanagnou2723]

And miles councillor from the sequel is voiced by Rachel dratch who voices Nora fries in Harley Quinn.

[@Ironmew05]

Vanessa from Daredevil: Wants to be right next to Kingpin during the chaos he causes. Vanessa from Spider-verse: Wants nothing to do with Kingpin and the chaos he causes. Very strange parallel.

[@NicholasNarain-xi5hs]

I'm suprised kingpins body is bigger than hus head 😂

[@crispychips7161]

damn tombstone is a pro. he got grabbed by the neck and held his composure and didn't fire a shoot legendary trigger discipline.

[@alanderek1231]

Mad respect to tombstone for still pointing the guns while being choked out

[@Legomoviefan2008]

This scene honestly made me very sad when I first watch the movie when I was 11

[@Warm_Ice0]

I lost it when he kept getting bigger and rounder 😭

[@dianaatehortua3568]

Awwww poor Kingpin! He lost his wife and his son at the same time😢 I feel so bad for him. It makes me and everyone want to 😢

[@Artbyluna]

I have a question how did kingpin fit in the car???

[@sigma_waltuh34]

Maybe he has a special car

[@Artbyluna]

@@sigma_waltuh34 lol u know that scene where he got off the car. He was already outside, didn't show how he got off 😂 the scene where he was visiting the scientists.

[@funnyzombie324]

He prolly sit in the back

[@thegreatchipman]

hes got the grumobile

[@isaanstonelarry2436]

Honestly Spiderman in this universe was the bad guy broke one of the golden rules don't attack them while there family is around just like when kingpin got aunt may shot and threatened to kill him it's just one of those unspoken rules

[@NotKaiii]

Man is built like a tick after a good meal

[@WizardOfHumor1989]

Kingpins character reminds me of Sykes in Oliver and Company.

[@Hun.1236]

If kingpin really loved his wife and kid we would have quit crime yes that mean his rivals would have came after him but he had the money to disappear

[@dustinzacharias8227]

Never ask for a hug from this man.

[@Cosmicmorales]

Boss baby has been bulking pretty hard 😭

[@shauryabahl9099]

Kingpin: Tomorrow at my collider Doc Ock: Our Collider!!!

[@gravityrushfan299]

Most evil father in the spiderverse

[@gravityrushfan299]

Plus the smartest in the world

[@aayazahmed5389]

He seems like a good father. That's why he wanted his family back so badly

[@bakedbeans5494]

@@aayazahmed5389 Means nothing.

[@ItsMe_Andre]

**Cough** Green Goblin

[@KE-yq2eg]

The funniest shit is how he is abnormally huge but his child isn't. It'd probably a tonal shift if his son was the same shape. LMAO

[@Anonymous_0894]

How would he have........ Nevermind. 😏

[@Abhichino81122]

How did man build like a Minecraft cubes smashed a scale breaking women 😂 💰💀

[@raddledfluffy6077]

Who tf knows💀

[@andrewkuldip8785]

It was less tragic when his family finally saw him as a monster and he wanted to destroy the multiverse just to get them back. My sympathy is for them, not him.

[@wjw2807]

Was King Pin one of the only villains that actually kill Spider-Man/hero in the movie? (never seen a hero death in a movie/tv series that much nowadays )

[@SuperAlfern]

Kingpin’s design in this movie is hilariously genius 😆