Spider-Man: One More Day, Part 2 - Atop the Fourth Wall

Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, it's part 2 of Linkara's look at one of the worst Spider-Man stories of all time.
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Originally uploaded July 30th, 2012.
ORIGINAL INFO: It’s Atop the Fourth Wall’s 200th Episode! What comic could be heinous enough for the position?
RUMINATIONS: One thing that I LOVED about the Cinema Snob’s 100th episode was the cameos that tied more into what he was reviewing (Caligula, in case you didn’t know). That was the direct inspiration, then, for wanting to have so many people appear and try to make deals to undo One More Day. And the idea of witnessing alternate versions of the character opened up more possibilities for cameos. But of course eventually I’d have to acknowledge the deal, and at the time, no one better exemplified evil on That Guy With the Glasses than... well… That Guy with the Glasses. Doug and I filmed his cameo the last night of To Boldly Flee, the same night I also filmed the stuff with Dr, Insano. I knew even by then I wanted the cameo and had a general idea for how it would go, even if I hadn’t written it in full.
Speaking of, this review had to be RUSHED. I had the script done a full two weeks before the episode was to hit the web, but the real issue I ran into was two-fold - one, the week before was the Star Trek IV review… an episode that was longer than normal, which meant I had to devote more time to editing it instead of getting an early start on it. Hell, I actually recorded them back to back, which is why you can probably hear my voice cracking a few times during the review. The second problem was ConBravo. I was going to my first international convention… and I had to get the 200th episode done with in four days. And while I have gotten pretty dang good about this stuff over the last few years, Editing an hour and 15-minute review was still longer than I’d ever gone before and I didn’t have as much time as I normally would.
Add on to that that I actually rewrote the ending. Oh, sure, the stuff with TGWTG was still there, but my original script had a different ending monologue. I think it was probably a bit preachier, though I can’t recall exactly what it was that I said. In the end, it just ended up being better overall this way.

[@Saieras]

I once told my mother about this comic. Her response: "What? Why doesn't he just kick the Devil's ass?"

[@Skyebright1]

I'm with your mum, you don't make deals with the devil

[@Przemko27Z]

+Skyebright1 Well, YOU don't.

[@Skyebright1]

NotAssigned anyone who isn't an idiot shouldn't, he wants your soul or your marriage or something creepy

[@Przemko27Z]

Skyebright1 I was just joking.And to Saieras How would you ever "kick the Devil's ass"?

[@Saieras]

NotAssigned Guns. Lots and lots of guns. And maybe a sword or two.

[@TPrower]

As a reader, writer, and video game enthusiast, I am appalled that anyone, especially someone in the freakin COMIC BOOK INDUSTRY would have the gonads to call anyone a loser for enjoying escapist fiction...

[@POLE7645]

TPrower At the risk of looking like a JMS fanboy (since I usually like his writing, even though I haven't read much of his comics), somehow I get the feeling that he was channeling all of his frustrations with both the comic itself and Joe Quesada in that panel (along with the industry, maybe). Considering that Joe Quesada was making Spider-Man more of his own "wish-fulfilment fantasy" than to the readers, that might explain it. Considering that JMS isn't the type to lash out against his readers (he was organizing live chats back in 1997) and that despite that he wrote it he still wanted his name off that particular issue (despite the fact that it was mostly unchanged), I'm more inclined to feel like that it's more of a stealth jab to Joe Quesada than his readers. Then again, maybe I'm just a fanboy who really doesn't want to hate JMS. Nice to see you there, TPrower (I follow you videos, even though I haven't got an occasion to comment there yet). Didn't expect to see you on AT4W videos.

[@TPrower]

POLE7645 Nice to see a fan of my stuff. =) I _love_ ATFW.

[@islamroks11]

amt5133 ...Just...Just leave. Leave with what little dignity you have left if you were born with any.

[@nikolaibelinski8133]

@@TPrower Your picture is...fuck you, just fuck you, fuck off, get off the internet

[@alansunter2383]

@@POLE7645 I kinda want to hear what JMS himself would have to say about that particular section.

[@roninmacbeth1651]

Joe Quesada: The man who gets around the "immorality" of divorce by...having his characters enter into a Faustian Pact. ....seems legit.

[@DerangedAvenger]

Of course! Everyone knows that divorce is immoral, but a Faustian Pact with Satan that results in an abortion is A-OK!

[@DarsiPadilla]

@@DerangedAvenger They are wrong for these factors: 1. Divorce is severing a covenant established by the Lord GOD who established marriage as a union between a husband and wife. What He has joined, none can separate (but since it's comics, let's solely insult the Christian faith). 2. Satan is the Father of Lies who manipulates via half-truths while holding some "dominion" over the earth as its "god". 3. Abortion is the type of murder where the scream of infants developing within a woman's fetus are silent.

[@darreljones8645]

@@DarsiPadilla Sarcasm is lost on you, buddy.

[@DarsiPadilla]

@@darreljones8645 piss off, emptyhead.

[@rebornkusabi7264]

Even better, there's all of the... undertones with Aunt May and Peter's relationship. I typed 'marriage just now, by accident (for real, I really for real did that), because there seems to be an undercurrent in some of the dialogue that Peter doesn't love Mary Jane, he loves Aunt May. On top of that, yeah, that girl introduced was named after Joe Q's daughter that Joe Q wanted Peter DIVORCED (sorry, deal with the devil or not, their marriage was still annulled f**ko) so he could bang her with his Spider-D**k to shoot his spiderwebs all over her because that's a TOTALLY normal and not at all creepy thing to want- your fictional character banging a character named after your daughter and to annul his marriage to get back with his 147 year old Aunt.

[@Cow-Moth-With-A-CRT-Head]

13:01 *Googles "Spider-Ham"* ... *Googles "Comic book stores close to me"*

[@mitchfletcher2386]

Same here!

[@rhymebeat1142]

I'm amused at the reference to Peni Parker and Spider Ham in the same joke, years before the Into the Spiderverse movie.

[@pennysanchez7656]

Linkara predicted the future.

[@IsaacMayerCreativeWorks]

Realization: “Into the Spider-Verse” covers a lot of the same ground as OMD re: different paths that Spider-Man could have gone down, pushing loved ones away, blaming others vs. yourself, the pain of losing family, and taking responsibility for your actions - but manages to do it without (a) calling the viewer a loser for enjoying superheroes, (b) treating all of the main characters as useless, unlikeable brats, or (c) involving Satan eating a marriage. Edit: Also it features both a little girl Spider-Man AND Spider-Ham himself

[@plantainsame2049]

And I'm more successful version of himself but not a version where he just has a decent job unless I don't know what is Noir detective pay

[@ChristianNeihart]

You are totally right about "everybody being a critic." People have a right to demand better.

[@MrPonytron]

It's been SIXTEEN YEARS since One More Day came out and it STILL hasn't been retconned!!! Man, Marvel writers and editorial REALLY hate Peter Parker

[@idongesitusen5764]

I’ve heard Nick Spencer tried to do it during his run, naturally the bigwigs stopped him.

[@redjirachi1]

They want us to get complacent with them not being a couple so the demand for it to be undone goes away. Give us stuff like AUs where marriage still stands. Proverbial bread and circuses

[@christopherb501]

​@@redjirachi1 The *femtosecond* Quesada is gone, we need to make the biggest stink possible.

[@raphaelrodgers7407]

@@christopherb501 he's already gone my guy

[@MrPonytron]

​@@christopherb501Quesada hasn't been a part of the Spidey editorial for a long time now

[@GenericProtagonist118]

When he Peter said *"NYRAAARGH!"* I felt that in my soul...

[@legomaniac213]

Going off of what Linkara said in the last part, the writer's and editor's refusal to let Peter grow up kind of lead to a weird trend in the last couple years where the most interesting Spider-man stories didn't have Peter as Spider-man. Miles Morales, Spider-Qwen, and Superior Spider-man were all a welcome relief from Peter's incessant whining about "power and responsibility." When Otto Octavious is a better Peter Parker than Peter Parker, you know some serious changes are in order.

[@madmatrix30]

You could say Otto was the 'SUPERIOR' Spider-Man. Yeah I know that was horrible.

[@Naruto85RasenShurike]

The Mad Mac I still don't understand why SUPERIOR was included on his Spider-ban though... The story was about Otto Octavius redeeming himself as a villain, not about Peter Parker. Linkara specifically stated that he did not include SPIDER-GWEN, AGENT VENOM, and SCARLET SPIDER on his ban, so why was SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN included if it wasn't about Peter Parker?

[@legomaniac213]

The Mad Mac Otto was defiantly better in civilian mode. As Spider-man, it was kind of hit or miss.

[@lknmjh]

legomaniac213 kind of late here, but her name is Spider-Gwen

[@legomaniac213]

lknmjh Whoops! Can't believe I didn't notice that typo for that long!

[@thegayghost872]

What if Mephisto asked for Hostess Fruit Pies instead? I don't know why he would, but it'd be funny.

[@garchomplord5081]

Well fruit pies are the Jesus in this world

[@Tareltonlives]

And now I'm inspired

[@JakNekon]

Because no one can resist the deliciousness of Hostess Fruit Pies! tm

[@PrayerWarrior4]

Too bad he didnt....it would have made more sense...

[@thepikamence1250]

If a spider-obsessed energy vampire from another dimension doesn't care about Twinkies, I doubt the *literal Devil* would take Fruit Pies if it meant passing up an opportunity to screw with Marvel's most beloved hero.

[@jakebryant3445]

7:10 and that raging on gamers is how you rant if someone insults the gaming community. No threats, just calling that person out the reasonable way. Linkara you sir have my respect as a comic book reader and a gamer.

[@kingofthegundam7974]

If you're gonna make fun of gamers, at least call them out on actually bad things that happen, like the Gatekeeping, or the worship of game companies at the expense of employees or the casual racism/transphobia that happens a lot. The whole insult about "wanting to live in fantasy worlds" can be applied to ANY piece of media including comics.

[@BrendanJSmith]

Man, the late 2000s really was the era of comic book character assassinations, wasn't it?

[@Phantom.Gaming64]

Indeed it was. I haven't read comics after 2005 as I lost interest in the whole comic book industry.

[@marygonzalez2472]

@@Phantom.Gaming64 You ain't missing out much pal. I *assure* you. You're free from Zeb Wells' mess.

[@samflood5631]

Batman War Games was infamous for making Lelise Thompkins, a long time supporting character into a murder by letting Spoiler die from her injuries during the Gotham Gang War just to teach Batman a lesson about recruiting teenagers into his war against crime.

[@Alejandroigarabide]

No. The 2000s in general.

[@SammEater]

People talk about the 90s as the dark age of comic books, but the 2000's really ruined most super hero with even more "dark and edgy" storylines that were really just dumb.

[@goreycinema]

I find it very ironic that Quesada criticizes people for enjoying escapist fiction, even though he works for the comic industry, which produces nothing BUT escapist fiction.

[@Skyebright1]

Agree it's rather stupid on his part

[@redjirachi1]

+goreycinema That's not irony, that's Ted Haggard-level hypocrisy

[@jeremyneill227]

+goreycinema Isn't all fiction escapist in some way?

[@TevyaSmolka]

I agree it's stupid on quesada part to criticize people who love escapist fiction while he writes escapist fiction it doesn't make any sense

[@craigkuhlman6869]

+Jeremy Neill Yes. A thousand times, yes.

[@Xehanort10]

I reckon that in the comic Mephisto represents Quesada "I want your marriage.....so you can date my daughter instead." That's literally one of the only reasons he broke Peter and MJ up. Both because he didn't like them as a couple and so he could put Peter together with Carlie Cooper the Mary Sue character he based on his daughter.

[@CNWhatImSaiyan]

I find more amusing that Carlie left Pete after Superior...unfortunately, so did MJ...

[@parkerboy795]

In hindsight, it's disturbing that anyone would want to write their daughter hooking up with someone.

[@Xehanort10]

And to make it more disturbing Quesada has apparently said before that he uses Peter as his avatar. So he pairs up his avatar with a fictional character based on his daughter. That screams incest to me.

[@parkerboy795]

Xehanort10 OK wow. Just wow..

[@xadcrosnemorgxiii2785]

Fortunately, Quesada had the decency of actually acknowledge himself as a idiot for the crap that he wrote.

[@Decembirth]

"See kidults, if you want Peter to grow-up he'll either be a hypocrite sitting at home playing video games or worse... Scrooge McDuck!!" / "Oh yeah, and lonely... because reasons"

[@daelen.cclark]

Very accurate.

[@sarasamaletdin4574]

Scrooge McDuck is amazing!

[@carlosalmonacid8958]

12:47 Don't worry Linkara, everyone knows who Spider-Ham is now thanks to Into the Spider-Verse

[@GalenNight]

7:09 Before his Holy Terror speech touched the hearts of millions, Linkara gave us perhaps his greatest speech ever

[@SylentVoidkeeper]

He has a lot of them. I'd say his best speeches are: The Holy Terror speech. This one Heroes in Crisis "Why Linkara hates Killing Characters" speech Secret Empire "The Nazis are the problem" speech

[@GruntGamerProductions]

Okay, everybody and their mother have given reasons why this story fails, but I have a question. Why didn't Spider-Man just go back in time? If all of those mystical heroes and villains of the Marvel Universe couldn't fix a bullet wound, then why not ask them for help to go back in time? It's been established that time travel is possible in the Marvel Universe more times than anyone can count. Oh wait, then we would have no story! God forbid that happens!

[@convoy81]

+GruntGamerProductions Yes, don't forget that Hell it's just a dimension in Marvel, a dimension easily accessible by Dr Strange, the Ghostriders, Clea, Dr Doom etc...they can literally go to Hell kick Mephisto's ass and broke the deal! Breaking demonic deals It' s the damn Ghostrider and Dr Strange job! For God sake...Dr.Strange and Dr.Doom have literally bring back to life the mother of Doom(and she was in HELL!!!) I, i don't know, it's soooo stupid...maybe the other heroes are just teasing Spidey, they are like :"Maybe if we don't help this selfish big baby and his enslaved old aunt(who surely still ties his shooes) DIE...he will probably wake up and become a man!"....it has to be like this! :P

[@craigkuhlman6869]

+Convoy81 I don't know. Maybe so, but it's kind of dickish to refuse help for such a problem that would be easy to fix in any other day.

[@convoy81]

Craig Kuhlman I was sarcastic, i was trying to make sense to this mess XD

[@glarnboudin4462]

Hell, I would pay money to see Deadpool team up with Spidey to reverse Mephisto's deal. I mean, it's not out of the question for Deadpool to know about it.

[@GruntGamerProductions]

+Glarn Boudin The funny thing about your comment: Deadpool has actually met Mephisto. In fact, in the issue when they met, Deadpool was dealing with a problem going on his head. Mephisto offered Deadpool a deal to assist him with the problem, but Deadpool declined. Even the insane, merc with a mouth, knows not to make deals with Mephisto!

[@masonallen3961]

This could've been a very deep comic with Peter having to come to terms with a close family member's death and learning that he can't save everyone and that it's okay to sometimes let someone go. But unfortunately it isn't.

[@DarsiPadilla]

Marvel Comics' higher ups, editorial and creative team are assholes.

[@androzani84productions85]

They’d never kill off Aunt May for good

[@JJ_R]

No Way Home did this, but much *much* better! Here’s a list of good differences! *Spoiler warning!* Peter’s loved ones got negatively affected by the world learning his identity, but there’s no rush to fix everything for most of the movie. Peter goes to Dr. Strange for help, and Dr. Strange actually *can* help! Linkara wondered why Peter Parker makes decisions that a teenager would make, and Tom Holland portrays Peter Parker as a teenager. Aunt May’s fatal injury in the movie actually is a legit fatal injury that no one could’ve possibly helped with, due to how fast she died, unlike in this story, where Aunt May has plenty of time to get help, but everyone who should be able to help just shrug and go “There’s nothing I can do.”. The choice Peter makes at the end is exactly what Linkara wanted from this story that wanted to go for the Tragedy route; Peter sacrificed his own happiness so that everyone he knows and loves can live happy lives. Funny enough, in the movie, Peter is actually helped by _a_ devil. If I missed something, or I got something wrong, please let me know.

[@DarkKnightofAnime]

A couple months late but I also gotta say it’s amazing how in general completely removing Mephisto from the equation just in general made the story in the film work more I think part of that is also because we have the Green Goblin kinda filling in that role but with a reversal on the motivation in a very round about way with Goblin teaching Peter where being indecisive and abandoning responsibility will lead him

[@daelen.cclark]

There’s no excuse for the comics to just let Peter grow up. They’re turning away all the newer fans familiar with him through the MCU.

[@Archon3960]

I wouldn't say it's on the same level as Spider-verse, and let's be real, No Way Home was made for fan service and really should've been released _after_ Multiverse of Madness. But you are right. It has the same themes and that emotional core that One More Day lacked. :)

[@danielbrant6740]

The biggest question of One More Day isn't "Why on God's name was this greenlighted to begin with?', but rather "How in Satan's awesomely evil goatee does Joe Quesada go around in any public setting WITHOUT BEING REPEATEDLY ASSAULTED BY A HORDE OF ANGRY FANS!?"

[@StarWarsAddict527]

I hard he's gotten death threats and was booed out of conventions.

[@beneil2]

+Grady Childs GOOD!

[@jakebryant3445]

Now I'm worried Quesada may try to pull this stunt on Ms Marvel. She's becoming more popular and relatable than Peter and that might make Joe jealous of this and he'll try to ruin her!

[@chaosinc.382]

Grady Childs Death threats are a bit much but booing him is more than acceptable.

[@DalekTheSupreme]

Because the fans are more mature than he, the writer?

[@MoffMuppet]

One thing I thought of... if they ever decided to go back to this story and try to make sense of it (or better yet, fix it so that things went back to how they used to be), wouldn't it make some sense if Peter didn't actually meet Dr. Strange, but Mephisto diguising himself as Dr. Strange? So rather than all those people being unable to help Aunt May because of "reasons", it would be Mephisto tricking Spidey into thinking there was no saving Aunt May. That's what I would have done. And then have Mephisto rub Peter's face in it. "Wow, you're gullible! Did you actually think the Sorcerer Supreme was unable to save your aunt? HAH! No, that was all me messing with you! You didn't actually talk to all those people, I just created an illusion to make you THINK you did! God, that was hilarious! And you swallowed it, hook, line and sinker! Your marriage is mine, sucker!" Maybe not with those exact words...

[@Skyebright1]

Interesting idea, he is the devil so he wouldn't play fair ;)

[@darkwolverine007]

actually a real good idea... now, that a big ego dumb like Quesada would do something like that... sorry i dont think so... is like to say Land would start actually drawing and not copy paste stuff

[@troin3925]

MoffMupp That’s an awesome idea!

[@PolarPhantom]

I think that's totally something Mephisto would do.

[@Gojiragon]

I would’ve made it so that he possessed his own set of infinity stones.

[@ishaanallidina9848]

How weird is it that in other Spider-Man media, which include the likes of No Way Home, Into the Spider-verse, Across the spider-verse, and the Insomniac game for PS4, allowed Peter to grow as a character, whether as the comics don't and character assisnate him further? I just want One More Day to be undone already!

[@RaphBlade7]

So Mephistopho likes misery, sorrow, pain, etc. Yep, that probably explains why he's so focused on messing with Peter Parker's life.

[@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets]

God, Peter's life must be like an aphrodisiac to him.

[@Tareltonlives]

"Your love. Your marriage" "I've got something better!" "What...." "HOSTESS FRUIT PIES! That's right big red! I've got the flaky pie crust and delicious smuckers filling right in my hand!" "Damn you to my place, Spiderman! You've outwitted me! Here, have your aunt and your marriage back! My hunger for your agony and despair is nothing compared to my hunger for Hostess Fruit Pies! They're sinfully delicious and just that damned good!" THE END

[@christopherb501]

Fifteen years later, still hasn't been undone. ...hey, Disney? You want some goodwill back...?

[@elijahwatson3474]

NWH had a huge middle finger toward omd. The problem is that marvel is run by manchildren. Disney and Pixar created the incredibles do they know that superhero families executed well are profitable. So when the comics divisions allows Pete to grow up that’s good. It’s just…arrested development

[@K1ng1995]

@@elijahwatson3474 I couldn't even finish NWH because I ran into a girl I went to school with at the theater going at it with her WAY OLDER boyfriend I had to leave. Still to this day I can't watch the movie without gagging

[@azurai3934]

What's amazing is that OMD was published from November 2007 - January 2008, 4 months before the premier of Iron Man in cinemas, which kickstarted the MCU, so that speech is even more cathartic.

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

It was released September 2007 - December 2007. Thats why everyone at the time called it the worst Christmas gift ever.

[@ElPikminMaster]

5:37 Finally got the chance to type this: Going 85% Shatner there, buddy?

[@AT4W]

ElPikminMaster Was going for Dr. Cox, but it IS very Shatnerian.

[@ninamichel1043]

Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall I think it was the pauses and the inflection that made me think shatner instead of cox although i could tell the sarcasm came from that.

[@CitizenKahne1992]

I just found out that Aunt May was diagnosed cancer. Lord only knows what Peter’s gonna give up for this to be fixed.

[@megelizabeth9492]

Actually he dealt with it surprisingly well, all things considered. When he asked Doctor Strange if there was anything that could be done, he actually said something like, "Well, I suppose you could make a deal with a demon, but, you know, that could come with an eternity of torment." (Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man vol. 2 #5)

[@alicedarhk9790]

At the meantime, the Young Avengers actually helped STOP the Superhero War while they were on the run. Most of the team did not have a parent, parents or guardians at all. Half of them were tortured and kidnapped. Poor you Peter. You got to have a loving wife, a woman who treated you like a mom until you were in your teens and young adult and old enough and be financially stable enough you have a life.

[@dragonsword8129]

They keep saying that the marriage had to be removed to tell good stories. But that's ridiculous! I can think of ways that the stories after this could've been made without One More Day. Brand New Day: Go ahead and introduce new villains. You don't need to get rid of the marriage to do that. The new job at a lab could also be told with the marriage. The relationship with Carlie Cooper: That was a mistake from the beginning, so it wouldn't be much of a loss. Spider-Island: Really, not much would have to be changed. Just get rid of the relationship with Carlie Cooper and it still would've been good. At Earth's End: They were hinting at the two getting back together, so it wouldn't have been hard to have MJ still be married to him. And it might've been good to have her get involved the same way she did in Spider-Island. Superior Spider-man: Yes, I am even including this one. Mary Jane could've been quick to suspect something was wrong. Maybe staying with Peter to find out what's going on. She could even figure out the situation and try to out him, but Ock would be covering his tracks better in this version and making it harder to tell this isn't the real Peter Parker. Spider-verse: Technically, a few Mary Janes were involved, so why not have the main one come along with a power suit? What they're doing right now would be a tougher to make happen, with Peter running his own company and MJ at Stark Industries. But that only ended up happening because Brian Michael Bendis realized nobody was using the character at the time. He was trying to save her from fading into the background.

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

Agreed. Also, they threw away years of stories they could've done with Spidey on the run. The stories between Civil War and One More Day were very good.

[@cockroachcharlie5619]

The tragedy? Not arguing the MJ/Peter marriage. but I would have been ok with Aunt May dying. Not doing anything caused Bens death. Doing something caused Mays death. Peter still gets to live with his old question of to be spiderman or to not be spiderman and this would have added to that. Plus it would have moved the story of Peter Parker forward. It would have been another chapter in the characters life. And let's be honest. Had she been in the room with Mj, Peter, and Mephisto, she would have slapped her family until they realize that a woman with ten years left at best is infinitely worth the sacrifice of TWO people with THEIR ENTIRE LIVES TOGETHER. Instead, we get that giant middle finger of a reset button that comic companies love to give us. On a similar note. I would have been ok if Azrael had become the new Batman in Knightfall. A little work with the character was needed to make him more likable, but it could have been done. Batman would become an ageless guardian as they continue to pass the mantle on to the next worthy shoulders (in this case, Azrael). But no. Bruce Wayne is Batman and we can't have anything else done with the character. The stagnation of comics is why I have dropped out almost entirely.

[@Xehanort10]

+Cockroach Charlie They should have killed off May for good in the Death In the Family storyline. But no they had the woman who died be a genetically altered actress sent to impersonate May by the Green Goblin to mess with Peter's head while he held the real May hostage.

[@cockroachcharlie5619]

Xehanort10 Comics get retardedly weird sometime. And not in a good way.

[@TevyaSmolka]

i wished they kept her death canon since issue 400 because that death for aunt may was perfect why take it away

[@TevyaSmolka]

yep that's right all of those characters you mentioned did take up the mantle of batman from bruce wayne during the battle for cowl story-line which was really cool in my opinion but besides that story i think that was about it at least for tim drakes time as batman jason todd was technically not batman more of a Punisher type of batman and that's about it at least for these characters as dick grayson aka nightwing who late took up the mantle of batman i think he was longest to take up the mantle besides terry mcginiss aka batman beyond to become batman and that's about it

[@furioussherman7265]

Cockroach Charlie I've read that the reason why Doug Moench made Azrael into Batman and then had Bruce Wayne come back and take him down was because Doug wanted to prove a point. In 1993 when Knightfall came out, overmuscled, angsty, and excessively brutal antiheroes like Cable and Youngblood were the trend of the day, and Moench wanted to show that these characters were not as good as the iconic superheroes of comics and that, in essence, the old ways were best. He made Azrael into Batman because he wanted to show that the Liefeldian trends of the 90s went against what the character was supposed to be and that no matter what, the best superheroes and the things they stand for and represent will always come out on top. It's the same point that Mark Waid was making when he wrote Kingdom Come. As well, the best stories of Bruce Wayne being a mentor for a new Batman will always be the Batman Beyond TV series.

[@powerist209]

21:51- Until good old Barry decided to erased his nephew's marriage along with others' marriage, Billy Batson's kindness, and joy out of DC universe after literally running to solve the problem.

[@SuperWolsey]

+powerist I still maintain the "Barry" in question is Colbalt Blue, The real Barry would never be that stupid and careless.

[@TheVampiro4000]

I'm 4 years late but finally I can say it. Damn it Barry!

[@joeywaters5559]

Yep, pretty much the only two good things to come from the New 52 were the new Shazamily members and the Riddler getting his balls back. And even those came with the caveat of Billy's new personality, and the stupid sideburns (although those were at least better than the godforsaken mohawk).

[@TheGoodWillSpreader]

Well, Linkara, there is a what if where that happens. Even bigger Drama, the bullet kills her immediately, peter proceeds to go into a roaring rampage of revenge, eventually killing the Kingping/Wilson Fisk, knocking Tony out and then he willingly surrenders to the cops. Which somehow is a loophole so Tony can't get him. May rather than being sad that his newphew was driven to such extremes... is disgusted and disowns him.

[@Dreamerwild]

I don't know. A man holding an Ayn Rand book making a long drawn out speech about how wrong the world is seems kinda appropriate.

[@Trevin_Taylor]

D C Tommy I don’t know about you, but I object to objectivism.

[@anjetto1]

Trevin Taylor I can see the point of it. If the person truly believes humanity is inherently selfish and evil and that self greed is the natural state of being, then yeah. But it really comes off as people trying to do mental gymnastics to justify the fact that they're dicks or sociopaths and trying to cover it up.

[@HarbingerOfBattle]

I read Atlas Shrugged once. It took a lot of time, patience and effort but I finally managed to wipe my ass with every single page of it.

[@suarezguy]

@@anjetto1 Objectivism may justify greed but it's as much or more about opposing exploitation, oppression in the name of the greater collective good. That individuals should not sacrifice themselves, let alone be compelled to.

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

@@suarezguy Agreed.

[@Juanhernandez-zx7kt]

Spider-man PS4 did this better. Actually, Into the Spider verse showed us a realistic version of Spider-man being separated from MJ , how much his life is terrible without her, him realizing that he needs her in his life, him going back to her and presumably repairing their relationship.

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

JMS also showed the exact same thing in 2001-2003 after Howard Mackie/Editorial's stupid plane crash and separation. It led to one of my favorite stories: Doomed Affairs.

[@ThaChaotix]

Rewatching this and had a thought for a set of names. I'm not a comic reader (trying to get into them more but wow, there is a lot) but uh..... two parter that deals with the deal being undone through something... here are my names: 1) A day lost. 2) A lifetime gained. General idea currently floating in my head goes something like this: A day lost Peter has to go through some harsh, unfair and convoluted test or trial, at the end of which he has to endure 24 hours of non-existance, while observing new york, all of it all the time. And all the crime that happens in that time. All his villains running free and doing what they want. Maybe even killing May and MJ. At any point he can jump in and stop them. But if he does he fails the test. If he manages to endure seeing what would happen if he weren't there, which wouldn't actually happen but be more of a dream/what if case, he can undo the deal with Mephisto. But MJ doesn't know this yet. A lifetime gained Peter's efforts to get back with MJ, his best attempt to win her back and restore her memories. In the final scene(s) we see the two of them, first crying as they realize just what they both had to endure, and that somewhere they'll always know they gave up on one another. Then smiling and happy, as they know that despite everything, they did get back together. However long it took, however painful and hard it was, both to be apart and to get to where they could be together again, in the end, together they are at their best.

[@petermcaulay4647]

Wait a minute... "I buried Aunt May, my wife and I split up. But I handled it like a champion." (Cue inevitable sobbing in the shower.) Y'know, this is reminding me a lot of Peter B's origin story in Into The Spiderverse, doesn't it? But with all seriousness, unlike Peter Parker, Peter B, thanks to Miles and the Spider-Gang, he goes back home, gets his life back together and becomes a better person for it.

[@93MANIAC]

Yeah and according to the trailer for Across the Spider-Verse it looks like they more then made up for it

[@tjjordan4207]

Plot twist: Mephisto was after May's wheat cakes recipe the entire time but forgot!

[@93MANIAC]

You can actually find the recipe for Aunt May's wheat cakes in the Insomniac Spider-Man game and also the game handles this subject way better then fucking One More Day did

[@KIRA-EL]

"HES THE DEVIL!" is my favorite Linkara quote ever. I dunno why but I love it.

[@Metrion77]

I have a solution that doesn't retcon or rewrite One More Day. It actually defines why Peter is never allowed to grow up. It allows for more interesting stories. It promises a time when Peter might grow up. It explains why Mephisto took their marriage rather than their souls. Quesada and Strazynski argued about the effects and the details, but both agreed that Peter can't get too far from his roots or his fans will get bored. So they will go around and around creating Deus ex machinas to ensure Spidey remains a teenager. So roll with it. Peter Parker's off being Spiderman, swinging around and leaving the scene where he just stomped the Rhino when suddenly he's struck with shattered visions. Memories of his time with Mary Jane. A life lost. And a staredown between Mephisto holding a snowglobe of him and MJ... and the GrandMaster. Confused by what the images mean, he decides to try and reach out to Mary Jane... but her phone is busy. He contacts her boss (be it Amanda Armstrong or newly uncomatose Tony Stark), and they tell him MJ is in Latveria to help with the transition from Doom-ocracy to democracy. However, sunspots are causing problems with the wireless communications and phone calls to Latveria are being jammed. He tries to get a plane ticket... but Latverian anarchists bomb every airport... simultaneously... only minutes before he was about to buy the ticket. Odd. Starting to get worried, Peter calls MJ's boss back and asks to borrow a plane to go check on her. But wouldn't you know it, between MJ in Latveria, the boss, and all the various Iron man supporting characters, there are no planes for him to borrow. And the Xmen's Blackbird jet is currently being repaired from a freak accident or villain attack. The news says the terrorists have been rooted out and Peter even sees MJ in the background of a press meeting with Latverian leadership. Relieved, Peter sits back down, thinking he'll contact MJ later and see if she knows anything, just glad she's not hurt. A bit too glad, seeing as she's just a business acquaintance and he's currently shacking with a woman already. Huh... As soon as he thinks that, another burst of visions overwhelm him, of him and mary jane happy together. But also mixed in are visions of Mephisto and the GrandMaster, and he hears Mephisto say "Give me my portal and I'll return your pawns to their proper places, Elder." He wakes up on the floor, bloody nose and crying, and MJ has collapsed on TV with similar symptoms. Fearing that whatever's happening may get worse, Peter goes to visit the Sorcerer Supreme. Visiting Doctor Strange, the Doctor can't find anything wrong with him. When he asks to be sent to Latveria to check on MJ, Strange winces and apologizes. A planetary alignment has blocked off Latveria from being the target of transportation magic. At this point, Peter loses his patience. Phones not working is annoying. Planes not working is a coincedence. Now the literal planets are blocking him from connecting with his wife. Wait, wife? With that thought, he feels his feet slip out from under him and he collapses on the Sorcerer Supreme's floor. He has a nightmare of Mephisto staring down the now visibly tired Grandmaster. Mephisto laughs before simply tossing the snowglobe onto the floor, shattering it. He wakes up on a floating rug in Strange's house, surrounded by various floating colored crystals. He remembers everything from the pre-OMD timeline. Strange tells him that when he reached down to help Spidey, Strange's memory also recovers and remembers the events of OMD, how May's death was a "point of temporal contention" and he could not intervene and could not even reveal why he could not intervene. All the signs pointed to May's death needing to be addressed by a higher power, and how he needed to ensure the balance by convincing Peter that there was no hope, creating the illusion that Peter had talked to everyone possible. Spiderman talks about the deal with Mephisto, shocked that he was willing to deal with the devil. A new voice reminds Peter that a lot smarter men in much worse situations have been manipulated into deals with Mephisto. Strange, recognizing the magic of Mephisto both in his missing memories and the whispering that convinced him to lie to Peter, brought in Johnny Blaze, friggin Ghost Rider, given the history between Ghost Rider and Mephisto. The voice of the Grandmaster shakes the halls of the sanctum, stating it has gone far enough, and instantly Peter, Johnny, and Strange are teleported to the GrandMaster's lair, along with Mary Jane. Fully remembering their past, they embrace and hold each other. Exhausted and frustrated, the Grandmaster explains. The GrandMaster, all powerful being and pathological gambler, is playing a long game with a rising evil, across dimensions and time. Everything he's done in the Marvel canon, from his attempt to hook up with Dazzler to his battle with Zemo, even the wager with Krona, has been subtle manipulations. During the short time where he bent reality, he saw a distant threat in time, and has been subtly shaping Earth's heroes into who they need to be when the time comes. And Spiderman was young, brash, and immature in his vision. Thus, the Game Master has been subtly manipulating Peter Parker's life to ensure "the best spiderman" would be there to play the necessary role. Mephisto, being Mephisto, is happy to manipulate people and cause misery, but was... unhappy to realize that he's been manipulated. To say the least. When he realized the Game Master's plan and how he was being pushed into One More Day, he changes the deal he gave to Peter and MJ, sealing the memories of their marriage away rather than destroying them. He approaches the GrandMaster and threatens to unravel the seal and let Peter Parker forever change back, have his wife back, endanger the Grandmaster's game... unless the Grandmaster opened a portal from the demonic plane of Vril into Earth 616. He shook the snowglobe, disturbing the seal and giving Peter and MJ the visions. And when Mephisto completely undid the seal and it started affecting the timelines of other heroes like Ghost Rider and Doctor Strange, the GrandMaster had to step in. And thus Mephisto's true trap springs. See, the GrandMaster and all the Elders of the Universe are immortal due to Death banishing them and banning them from ever dying. But Ghost Rider doesn't kill people. He skips that part. Mephisto knew that his involvement would bring the Spirit of Vengeance, and the sins of the Grandmaster and all the people he's hurt in his chessgame would drive the spirit mad. Even Peter Parker and Mary Jane's souls were calling for vengeance for their life denied. With the soul of an immortal elder in hand, he could open a dozen portals and spread his demons across the universe. Peter and MJ can't stand by, leaping between the Ghost Rider and the Grandmaster before the Spirit can penance stare the divine soul into Mephisto's hands. They realize that the only way to stop the Ghost Rider is to truly accept and forgive the manipulations of the GrandMaster. The Grandmaster freezes time around the ghost rider, but the fallen angel is already putting pressure on the temporal lock. The Grandmaster impresses upon them two things, the first being that if Spiderman becomes more mature, he will not be the right person for the job only he can do, and the evil will succeed, and the suffering of countless lives across millions of planets will result. The second thing he swears to Peter and MJ is that his intrusion into their lives is temporary, and he'll not interfere in their relationship in such a way ever again. The pair share a look. They go to the shattered snowglobe, looking down at the plastic figures of themselves embracing. They gather the broken glass and put the pieces together slowly, each piece fusing into place. They talk about what they've done since being single. They laugh. They cry. They console each other. They forgive each other. By the time they hold the final piece of glass ready to put into place to repair the snowglobe, they're ready. The Grandmaster friggin BOWS to them, lamenting on what they must do, and how the very maturity to forgive him would doom the world and he looks forward to a time when they can be truly happy. But as he says this, the Spirit of Vengeance breaks free and begins Penance Staring the Grandmaster. Peter and MJ share one last kiss as they push the final piece of glass in together. Everything is back to normal. Peter is swinging away from his victory over the Rhino, MJ is representing Stark Industries alongside Von Doom in Latveria, Doctor Strange is meditating in the Sanctum, and Johnny Blaze is driving down the highway on his bike. The Grandmaster watches all of this, the right side of his face severely burnt from the penance stare. And down in hell, Mephisto smugly gloat about all the trouble he'll be able to cause with his new toy, the freshly damned eye of an immortal elder. Boom. It makes it clear that it was the grandmaster's influence that made peter and mj susceptible to mephisto's deal, why the deal was for their marriage instead of their souls, and their marriage is being sacrificed to save literally trillions and trillions of lives. It explains why nobody could heal a simple bullet wound. It reinforces MJ and Peter as a couple who are willing to sacrifice for compassion. It lets Quesada and co have an excuse to continue writing peter as a teenager until further notice, and gives a villain and story that can justify changing peter into a more mature character. It ensures that their daughter's stuff is still canon. And it puts a new mysterious weapon in the hand of Mephisto. A lot more potential stories. Heck, it even allows for a lot of plot holes to be filled, with the random deus ex machinas or convenient events being the result of the Grandmaster's influence.

[@Stormkrow280]

Metrion77 god this sounds A 1,000, 000 times better than OMD

[@jackgebhardt2932]

Why the fuck aren't you writing for Spider-Man?

[@TevyaSmolka]

your plot sounds ten times better

[@logicaloverdrive8197]

Why the fuck haven't you tried to submit this to marvel yet? Please try.

[@BrendanJSmith]

Metrion77 so Peter and MJ would officially be back together again?

[@egyptspivey777]

Whenever I'm reminded of OMD I can't help but think Mephisto is somewhere right now gazing lovingly at Peter and MJ's wedding ring. Anyway awesome review from Linkara. This comic is just bad on so many levels and the fact that it's still affecting Spiderman comics makes it worse. Maybe one day when the deal is undone and writers want Peter to grow up, I too can care about him again.

[@Skyebright1]

I want-your marriage! Seriously for the devil that's lame

[@aliyaist]

Okay, so - I've expanded every comment on this video here on KZbin, looked in the comment sections on your old blog and on your current website, watched your subsequent "top 15 screw-ups" videos, and searched the Channel Awesome forums. I'm *fairly* certain that nobody's pointed this out yet, but as somebody who is completely new to your show I made a sincere effort to make sure this isn't a redundant comment. At 12:14 you make fun of Mephisto's ability to make a declaration covering "nearly all" of the outcomes out of an infinite number of possibilities. Surprisingly, this is a legitimate mathematical concept! It's called "almost all", not "nearly all", and is used to describe situations in which you know that there is a finite number that do *not* fall into the category. There are a couple of different definitions for "almost all", but here are some basic examples: * Almost all prime numbers are odd. You don't need to analyze every single one of the infinite prime numbers in order to verify this; you just need to know that there is only one even prime number (2) and that, by definition, no other prime number can be even. * Almost all integers are composite. There are mathematical proofs that calculate exactly how rare prime numbers get as you get into higher and higher integers. They get rarer and rarer, their proportion gets smaller and smaller, and - as you extend the numbers to infinity - the proportion approaches zero. So even though there are literally an infinite number of prime numbers, almost all numbers are *not* prime. Am I saying that JMS or Joe Quesada were deliberately referencing the mathematical concept of "almost all"? Of course not - they didn't use the term correctly, and I doubt Mephisto has a peer-review-quality proof that proves that lim_{x->∞} ∑(years Peter Parker is happily married on all Earths up to x)/x =0, or (better yet) a formula that precisely calculate "y=number of years Peter Parker is happily married on Earth-x". So while it's almost certainly not being used correctly here, the concept of "almost all" as applied to infinity does exist, and can often be determined without actually needing to sit there and count them one by one.

[@AT4W]

NEEEEEERRRRRD! ...no, but seriously, quality post right there and a good example of putting more thought into it than the writers did. ^_~

[@Trevin_Taylor]

Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall damn it. I was gonna respond with “NEEEEEEEERRRRRD!” and you beat me to it! But, yes, incredible post right here. The concept can be applied to so much! Very informative. Thanks OP! I’ll be able to use this in everyday life, believe it or not. Great examples.

[@JaelinBezel]

I'm reminded of a DBZA quote: "Nearly perfect? How can you be nearly perfect? You're either perfect or you're not (me)!"

[@jackgebhardt2932]

@@JaelinBezel *semi-perfect

[@logicaloverdrive8197]

@@JaelinBezel "as a soon to be broken man once said: you're either perfect, *or you're not me."*

[@Gerik75]

Spider-Man: "Which of those iterations do I end up a little girl?" Mephisto: "Also, Iteration n°14512. It weird that take so many time to form, actually."

[@DimitrisGenn]

26:57 is it just me or... is Mephisto giving us the middle finger?

[@masterbison8957]

nope,it's the writers of this comic that gave us the finger

[@Nightwing9597]

Anonymous Why not both?

[@masterbison8957]

why indeed ?

[@mikethegrunty5968]

As someone with mobility issues and constant pain from hemophilia ( long story. Basically I can spontaniously bleed in muscles and joints and need an injection)I tend to play games and read comics manga or books to take my mind off pain, but this idea of " we play games because this world isn't what we were supposed to get" is a huge load. I enjoy these things for fun and to take my mind off constant pain, not because I feel unfulfilled. I love JMS, but that is pretty dickish

[@Skyebright1]

Agree it's stupid, does he read nothing fictional himself or is this his own viewpoint that he's projecting on everyone?

[@mikethegrunty5968]

No idea, but it's pretty messed up

[@davidspring4003]

Like Lewis said, it was most likely a Quesada line due to the fact issues 3 and 4 were heavily rewritten and JMS has shown in his other works a totally different viewpoint on escapist fiction.

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

@@davidspring4003 It's no wonder he wanted his name off of issues 3 and 4, and then quit before 4 was written.

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

From Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 2 #50 by J. Michael Straczynski and John Romita, Jr. Peter: What I'm trying to say- What I'm trying to say... is that you're right. It's not enough to say that I love you. You can love more than one person. You can love in more than one way. You can love somebody as a friend. It's not just that I love you, MJ. I need you. MJ: You don't need me, Peter. You've got all these powers, you were out there, doing all these things- Peter: You're wrong. I can do "all these things" because you believe in me. Because you give me the strength and the will to get them done. Everything's easier when you're there and harder when you're not. Without you, nothing works the way it should. But when I know you're there, in my life, I feel like I can do anything, MJ. Anything. MJ sobs and starts to cry... Peter: MJ...? MJ: When I left... when I went away... Crying intensifies... MJ: It was because I was so far outside your life, I could never do anything to help, I could never be a part of what you do, and you could do it so well that I just... I didn't think you needed me, Peter. That's all I wanted to know, that's all I needed to hear, that you needed me, that you... MJ and Peter hug tightly, both with tears in their eyes... MJ: I was so afraid you didn't need me anymore. Peter: I do. I love you, MJ. I need you. I'm nothing without you. Come home. Come home to me. Screw you, Joe Quesada. Peter and MJ would NEVER opt to sell their marriage to the devil.

[@CinemageddonReviews]

TGWTG: "Of course I can... I'm the Devil." Me: Hey, when you're right, you're right Doug.

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

That bit of peter not believing in alternate realities becames hilarious after spider-verse and secret wars where peter was involved in alternate universes- wars.

[@comedyrock]

You know I never thought about it, but they argue about being a loser for not having a girlfriend, and then precedes to rip his wife from his hands, and celebrate it as an achievement to start over.

[@WCWit]

Everything revolving around Carlie Cooper in the wake of OMD is groan worthy. She was an obnoxious character who stuck around way longer than she ever needed to.

[@egyptspivey777]

W.C. Wit Yeah you can tell the writers really wanted readers to like her and forget about MJ. I probably would have liked Carlie if her sole purpose wasn't to replace MJ as Peter's love interest and if it wasn't so clearly forced. Also the fact she's named after Quesada's daughter is just kinda weird.

[@ckd8520]

***** On the bright side, after Superior she sort of stopped existing.

[@CNWhatImSaiyan]

+Eamonn Deane isn't peter dead after the spider-verse event, though?

[@ckd8520]

CN what I'm Saiyan? Only on the inside.

[@luvdove7136]

W.C. Wit Carlie Cooper is the bane of my existence

[@RaphBlade7]

You know I wonder if Peter and MJ would have agreed to the deal with Mephistopho if "Trouble" was in continuity and they found out Aunt May was Peter's biological mother due to her cheating on Uncle Ben with Peter's father. I'd love to see a What If or parody where it gets brought up and Peter and MJ are so disgusted by Aunt May's behavior that they aren't as willing to sacrifice their marriage, as she never told them the truth, even after she learned Peter secret identity as Spider-Man.

[@RaphBlade7]

It would at least give "Trouble" a reason for existing and would still be tragic cause Peter would realize the horrible family secret of who his real biological mother is. Also there's a plot twist and it turns out Aunt May knew she would go to hell when she died for her sinful past and ended up learned about Mephistopho's plan from her counterpart Spider-Mam (who either was Peter's mother or aunt in her continuity of origin) so she ensures Peter and MJ will learn the truth to foil Mephistopho's plan, saving their marriage with Aunt May suffering righteously in hell for saving her son Peter and MJ's marriage so they can finally give her some grandchildren. Also Trouble Aunt May ends up taking over Hell and gives Mephistopho the boot.

[@Boltizar49]

One More Day could have worked if it stopped just before Mephisto. Peter asks Tony for help but is denied to the face, Tony goes behind Peter’s back and has Jarvis insist to be Aunt May’s cousin to get Aunt May more treatment to hang onto life a little longer. Peter goes to Dr. Strange for help but Steven tells him he can’t help him but offers him his “magic rolodex” and portals him to anybody with even the tiniest iota of a chance to help her. But nobody can. Teleporting him back to New York, Strange gives him a talk that because nobody can save Aunt May, Peter needs to spend what little time she has left with her. His life with Aunt May is over but his life with Mary Jane goes on. Peter learns that he can’t save everybody. It’s another way a reader can relate to Peter and for kids to come to terms with the loss of a loved one.

[@infinityalbi9840]

*continues to review Comics* "I miss my old hat" *stops reviewing comics* "I need a new hat" I died!

[@steelytemplar]

It makes truly no sense for either Peter or Mary Jane to go along with this. In fact, I don't know why they are even willing to speak to Mephisto.

[@DarsiPadilla]

Editorial mandate.

[@the999mann]

1:46 'It's impossible for people to have children unless they're married' This makes no sense, Marvel Editorial allowed Deadpool and Luke Cage to both father illegitimate children, why not Spidey? And in all the years he and MJ have been married, they've never accidentally conceived a child?

[@Xehanort10]

Quesada's probably one of those old fashioned "No sex before marriage" types. It wouldn't surprise me if he was a Mormon.

[@Xehanort10]

BTIsaac The world would be a better place without religion as a whole considering it's nothing but superstitious fictional bullshit left over from thousands of years ago when people believed that anything they didn't understand was supernatural by default.

[@aros0018]

Actually, and this is something I believe Linkara and the Last Angry Geek pointed out in their crossover review, if everything has remained the same except for Peter and MJ being married, then that mean MJ did at one point get pregnant during the Clone Saga, as several comics Linkara has reviewed will show. That child either died at birth or was made to look like it died so the Green Goblin could kidnap it, but either way, Peter and MJ were going to have a child and if nothing has changed timeline wise other than the marriage, then that means they were going to have that child without being married to each other. In summary, Joe Quesada put no thought into undoing the marriage other than that he wanted it undone.

[@laststrike4411]

BTIsaac scary how ironically self righteous those types are...

[@TevyaSmolka]

plus here's another thing that happened recently in the world of comics and that's superman aka pre 52 superman he has a family now with his wife lois lane and they have a son name jon who's the new superboy and he's awesome and adorable in my opinion

[@edwardramos4591]

Amusingly, the ending of the new Spider Man game is basically the opposite of One More Day. Click the Read More for details. So after his surprise appearance (both in terms of showing up two thirds of a way through the game, and in terms of this being his grand debut in the game's universe), Dr. Octopus unleashes a virus that infects a sizable majority of the city, including Aunt May, and sicced the Sinister Six to steal the cure that Oscorp was making. After a grueling final fight, Peter manages to get the cure back from Ock. The dilemma now is that they currently have enough cure for one person and it will take a day to mass produce it, by which point it would be too late for Aunt May. Peter initially contemplates giving the cure to Aunt May, but after a tearful farewell, decides to fulfill the needs of the many and get the cure mass produced.

[@isenokami7810]

Every point you made for "Why would you ever trust Mephisto?" also applies to Mephiles from Sonic '06. Speaking of whom, anyone else think he was one of the few good things from that game?

[@NintendoHighSchool]

I think Mephisto just wanted an excuse to wear a dress

[@bobbynick5358]

wow one more day is awful and hypercritical, there no super power or a smart person or being that can heal a bullet wound, and calling gamer's losers because they just want to have a escapee fun, well people go to movies to have escapee fun, they much be losers too then... but ironically they wrote Peter very immaturely, like the comic One more Day itself.

[@DigiRangerScott]

Bobby Nick hypocritical, not hypercritical

[@bobbynick5358]

oops my bad, thanks for seeing the typo.

[@bobbynick5358]

Well I guess that why "one more day" is awful, the story isn't written well at all, it insults the readers and fans, and it makes Spiderman look like well... look like the Miller counter part of Batman... funny thing is at my dollar store there's a dozen of spawn and batman comics there.

[@nathanthompson4613]

Bobby Nick I’m actually pissed that he basically replaced Mary Jane with his daughter. Sure erasing the marriage was already crossing the line, but nooo, he had to salt the would with THAT escapist fantasy

[@DarsiPadilla]

@@nathanthompson4613 I have my spidersona Gloom Weaver hunt her down like a spider with its food, except Gloom Weaver is not a cannibal.

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

Nostalgia Critic as the devil. Good casting choice.

[@GOODYGOODGOOD789]

Joe Quesada: People can't resonate with a story where Peter Parker and Mary Jane get divorced. Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse: I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye. On a side note, I do think Spider-Man PS4, Into the Spider-Verse, and Spider-Man No Way Home all prove that you can do a storyline about Peter and MJ's relationship ending and have it be done well. One More Day was just the wrong way to do it, and did it horribly.

[@Cdr2002]

Peter B is essentially a critique of 616 Peter and I respect those movies so much for that

[@TevyaSmolka]

I really love that lupa cameo it's so funny

[@gratuitouslurking8610]

As much as it probably is a bit of a sore spot for Linkara, I do find it a subtle irony that on his return to it to do a full review, he actually kinda agrees with parts of Mephisto's deal setup to the point that the offer isn't really the worse part of the book anymore. On the other hand, the amounts of stupid prior is pretty damn hard to beat, I'll give it that, as is the fact that they still did the whole deal with the devil as well.

[@jameshowlett5106]

I actually really liked Carlie Cooper, but I still think it's creepy as all hell that Joe Quesada named one of Spider-Man's love interests after his own daughter...

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

i dont have probelms wiht carlie, my nly problem is that they are treatig MJ like how they treat the real thor odinson: like if they were nobodies (the concept of jane thor is cool, but not at the expense of odinson) .

[@DarsiPadilla]

I'd rather kill Carlie Cooper as an act of retribution.

[@DarsiPadilla]

@Ultimate Hedgehog Why do you think Gloom Weaver exist?

[@brock2443]

I couldn't help but notice, the speech that alternate reality "rich" Peter Parker gave to Spider-Man was basically the same speech that Stan Lee made to Brodie in Mallrats "Love Be A Vulture Tonight".

[@moonraven6145]

"I want your Love" *You spin me right round baby right round starts playing in my head*

[@RiderNexus]

Story time for me: When I was a kid and this story was being published in the UK under "The Astonishing Spider-Man" comics, I was a HUGE fan of all 3 Sam Raimi films, the 60's cartoon, the 1994 cartoon, the short lived early 2000's cartoon and the movie licensed games, I looked up to those incarnations of Peter Parker because he was relatable, *and honestly I wasn't too different to Tobey Maguire's Peter from the start of the first movie* I decided one day after school to pick up the Astonishing Spider-Man comics as I had never read a comic yet *Handing in my nerd card as we speak* and I when I did pick up the comics.. it was some of the character's lowest points in the comics: Gwen giving birth to Norman Osborn's children, Peter dying *That one was a childhood trauma and a half, being a kid, seeing your hero die and all*, Peter's side story in Civil War (Which got me to HATE the overall story), a Dark Knight Returns clone (and a poor version of it) and finally... One More Day... This... broke me... I couldn't read any future comics for the longest time, and for what it seemed like forever, I only picked up trades of the old era comics before this travesty of a comic. I wanted nothing to do with the future Spider-Man comics after reading One More Day I did pick up future comics eventually, but the damage was done. Unless they undo the Mephisto deal or reboot the whole Spider-Man line, I won't be invested in future stories anymore

[@Mysticist]

12:58 Who would've thought that over half a decade later we'd actually have a movie with Spider-Ham in it, and it would be considered by many to be the best Spider-Man movie yet...

[@SteveCrafts2k]

24:16 This...is honestly true. I mean, if he was willing to give up marriage just to be with Aunt May, then that's REALLY a sign of a man child who can't accept that his Aunt's time has passed.

[@suarezguy]

The character has always been about trying to prevent deaths that he would otherwise feel responsible for.

[@SteveCrafts2k]

@@suarezguy If she didn't die of a bullet, she was gonna die of old age eventually. If Peter wanted to be about "Responsibility", then he SHOULD'VE refused Mephisto, and allowed May to die. That way, he wouldn't be a manchild clinging to the past, and May's suffering would end.

[@daelen.cclark]

@@SteveCrafts2k Peter is a goddamn hypocrite.

[@brandonkrol]

I wouldn’t be surprised if that alternate Peter who insults people who enjoy escapist fiction was written by Mark Millar since I did hear he was involved with the rewrites and insulting comic fans by implying comics are for losers is a common trope of his work.

[@joanahkirk338]

Here's an idea how to fix this: Peter starts figuring out something is wrong, as well as Mary Jane. They meet up with each other, interested in this forgotten familiarity. Mafisto gets annoyed by this, and subconsciously threatens them, scaring them to be away from each other. However, they eventually break free from it. At first, only one of them tries to contact the other, while the other just desperately doesn't want to. Through this sub-plot, Peter learns more about responsibility. Then, when they finally break free from the terrors mafisto inflicts upon them, MJ is killed. This sends Peter on a quest for revenge of this, slowly remembering more about MJ, now, and their history. Or at least, thinking to himself: Just think what we could've done together. So now, Mafisto has more of a reason to do this, a long convoluted process to make Peter like this, but I suppose he wanted to make sure Peter blamed himself, in that case, I guess, or something. After killing off MJ's killer, he feels great regret, and along with being a known fugitive, now he's even more of a criminal. So, he tries his best to not be entirely evil during this, helping those in need when he can. However, no one trusts him, so he assumes a new identity. Though, he keeps being tempted to kill people, eventually falling into that. Ashamed of his actions, he decides to go into solitude, escaping from the world. When he returns, he is a villain, but no one knows who he is, as he's formed a new identity. Then it's revealed, and he's brought back, ashamed entirely of what he's done. By now, Aunt May is dead, and there's nothing he can do about. He spends the rest of his days, in a prison cell, after he was imprisoned for being a villain. Then suddenly, he begins to recall the events of OMD more vividly, realizing what he's done. So, he somehow is able to confront Mafisto, I'm sure people who know more about comics can explain that aspect, and he attempts to set things right. He gets in a huge fight alongside that against this devil. After all of that, somehow Peter manages to escape him, Mafisto releasing his grasp he's held over Peter, showing that he's learned responsibility or something. Then, Peter wakes up, on the very day he was going to agree, this time, he doesn't get confronted by Mafisto, instead turning himself in to the police, as he is a fugitive already from Civil War. Now, this may seem like Retconning, however Peter still remembers these events, and has learned from them. Now, all that stuff Linkara said about it can do that stuff. Money helping Aunt May. Now, the question is "Who's going to be Spiderman?" Well, a new person. Perhaps Miles, or some girl. Though, it might be best for them to distance themselves from that name, because it probably isn't a very respectful superhero name. Although, I suppose Peter could be later released, but then he can't become Spiderman again, because he's learned that he should take responsibility elsewhere. Then, I suppose that person could use the name spiderman.

[@Webshooters1]

Seems there's been an update: Nick Spencer's Amazing Spider-Man run seems to be slowly undoing OMD with Peter and MJ getting back together and all their history being reestablished just minus the ring and feels like a return to the Spider-Man we all know and love.

[@sonicsucks20]

Nah, it's still shit.

[@UltimateSpiderPlush2]

@@sonicsucks20 Actually, its kinda great!

[@RaphBlade7]

The funny thing about One More Day, is even after it Mary Jane and Peter Parker keep coming together as a couple (albeit unmarried) so the deal with Mephistopho is utterly pointless as their relationship is apparently "too iconic" for Marvel to separate them completely (as I doubt they would kill her off in the prime Marvel continuity cause it would be a Women in Refrigerators retread of the Death of Gwen Stacy and just another in a long list of Spider-Man's loved ones who have been killed) or its a marketing gimmick to entice fans who liked the marriage to read in the small hope that they'll bring back the marriage and/or undo the deal with Mephistopho.

[@RaphBlade7]

They should have just kept them married or just rebooted everything cause they can't let Peter just grow up cause to them Peter Parker she never grow up cause they have the idea he's supposed to a teenage version of Peter Pan.

[@zomblivoushx8615]

Am i the only one who loved One More Day? I mean, sure, it forcibly removed Mary Jane and Peter's relationship at the hands of Mephisto, potentially stagnating Peter Parker for as long as the writers wish... Oh, now I get it.

[@GabyGeorge1996]

that's nothing. in iteratiion #199999 you're played by british actor tom holland

[@ryahmib2452]

@Sebastian Grindborg that's really exist ?

[@SteveCrafts2k]

Also in iteration 199999, Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man kick-started a series beloved by many, and copied by others...to failed results.

[@EvilGuacamoleGaming]

7:30 this is amazing. This anger was so huge I was afraid it was an act. Be on of those 'HOW DARE YOU! be absolutely right.' It's so wild to see this much anger be sincere and I think it's great to see considering the cause.

[@k-trashradio5163]

Ok I could almost forgive one more Day if mephisto really DID want tickets to SNL in exchange for saving aunt may

[@autobotstarscream765]

Aunt May says "Tiger"? Does this mean that One More Day takes place in the same universe as Trouble!?

[@djwilson1993]

Wow… just decided to rewatch this AT4W episode on a whim, and I got to the discussion between Mephisto and Peter Parker regarding dream selves. In a post-Mulitverse of Madness world, it’s… weird?… seeing that there’s precedent in Marvel comics for that idea. Definitely weirder considering it’s One More Day.

[@twig8523]

The production may be simple & cheap, but I still love the hell out of that 200th ep outro song!

[@MicrowavedAlastair5390]

19:17 "I want the dopamine center of your brain, Peter. What? I said I wanted the thing that gives you joy, isn't that how the brain works?"

[@Sensenoi6]

HEH. I always thought that the game designer guy in issue 3, who you say is Peter Parkers alternative self, was actually Joe Quesada himself.

[@TevyaSmolka]

+Valkoinenkoira when you put it that way that actually makes sense

[@skyslasher2297]

Sensenoi especially when JMS said that issue three came out as he intended ya it’s clear that’s the intention

[@sebastianevangelista4921]

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[@gota7738]

I think Spencer might have based the Kindred storyline on this review...including having a character hang round going "Wooowooooh" and being cryptic for way way too long while refusing to explain anything till later.

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

I'm glad he's not doing an instant magic retcon though, because then he'd be making the same mistake Quesada did. I like the slow-burn better.

[@RenaldyCalixte]

18:16 Baby you're a firework. I love it when your colors burst! Mephisto: Aww my favorite song. Time to torture sinful souls.

[@sonofpears4691]

Honestly May should have just died here that way the story has stakes but keeps peters character growth that he has gone through over the past years.

[@sarahjamesinasarah6423]

12:58 This is honestly the best way some of your old videos age, not language or jokes you wouldn’t use anymore or anything, but being all “no, I’m serious this is a comic character” about Spider-Ham made a _lot_ more sense before the masterpiece that is Spider-Verse came out. Anytime an unknown/underutilized character becomes more popular I’m always happy.

[@simpsonman956]

Here's a thought: in the webcomic "Jack", a character, a dead woman in hell, makes a deal with a demon to live again, with the power to see into the future, in return for her soul. Eventually, she uses her power to save some people from death, cheating hell out of souls, and making it so she has to come back. Eventually, the Grim Reaper and a couple of angels go and save her soul from the demon to be reincarnated. The reasoning: demons aren't allowed to bring people back from the dead, so their deal for her soul was null and void. Suppose they did something similar with Spiderman? Imagine Mephisto has Peter and MJ's marriage in, like, a jar somewhere. Some celestial hero like Thor or the Silver Surfer, maybe even Dr. Strange, go and try to take it back. The reasoning: Aunt May was *supposed* to die. Fate dictated that Aunt May die, because if she didn't, the butterfly effect would take root, and a huge cataclysm would befall earth. Because this would affect lives unrelated to the deal, it is officially off. Mephisto knowingly broke it just to bring this apocalypse about. To save the world, this guy has to sit Peter and Aunt May down, and with her blessing, Peter and this guy team up to storm Mephisto's realm in Hell, and take back the marriage.

[@fubuwaru1691]

In the upcoming Spider-Man event called "Dead no more" it is heavily speculated that the main villain of the event is Mephisto. It would be cool if the deal is brought up and Peter beats Mephisto's ass. Even if the marriage never happens again I want Peter to get one over the devil. If Peter gets screwed over for life again then at least we have Miles.

[@jakebryant3445]

I hope that as well

[@TevyaSmolka]

yeah unfortunately that didn't happen

[@Leonheart039]

the villain at the end was Ben Reily and in the next arc it will be norman osborn again oh and the gonna erase parker industries so poor parker again i guess

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

well now thenext arc teasing norman osborn searching for mystical ways to get power, and with the demonic looking Red Goblin in the "Go Swinging Down" storyline, (plus the crossover damnation with mephisto holding the whle las vegas) it would be feating that dan's slott run ends with mephisto

[@faidreview1186]

Ian R. Nava Huber and this arc is going to be Osborn.... Again, only merged with Carnage

[@KitsuneAdorable]

It's sad and incredibly annoying that both Marvel and DC can't have married superheroes in any of their books. Correct me if I'm wrong is Sue and Reed Richards (forgive me as I don't read or care for the Fantastic Four) is the only couple that Marvel hasn't fucked up intentionally or had broken up by supernatural means or not?

[@aros0018]

Yes, but at the moment neither of them are being used in the comics. They disappeared sometime after Secret Wars and have not been seen since, with Johnny and Ben being placed on other teams like the Guardians of the Galaxy or the Inhumans. Basically no Fantastic Four and popular married couple.

[@christiancrusader9374]

KitsuneAdorable superman and lois are married again. and they are building up wally's and Linda's relationship again. Thank you rebirth!

[@ryahmib2452]

@@christiancrusader9374 spoiler Wally is dead in "heroes in crisis". Fuck you rebirth.

[@ateliertohka7327]

Among the big ones, yes. For B-listers, though, there's also Luke Cage and Jessica Jones.

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

@@ryahmib2452 Rebirth is epic, but its legacy was ruined by Heroes in Crisis. Wally West first loses hope, then murders people, and then FRAMES OTHER PEOPLE FOR THE MURDERS? hen goes to the future, kills himself, and puts his body at the scene? No thanks, Tom King.

[@DrakeyC]

I don't read comics, but I've an idea for how they could explore the deal with Mephisto more in a way that could lead to it being undone if they wanted. Reveal that Mephisto didn't actually twist time to undo the marriage. He sent Peter and MJ into one of those alternate possible dimensions/timelines he mentioned where they didn't get married, and the Peter and MJ of that universe swapped with them, and the four had memory shennannigans done to change their memory of events. Deep down though they remember the way things are supposed to be, and all this time the Alternate Peter and MJ have been living happily married, but are plagued by doubts and suspicions that something about it isn't right. Likewise, Prime Peter and MJ could feel the same. A confrontation with Peter's alternate self who has a different perception of events and MJ could allow for Prime Peter to undergo growth and development when someone who knows exactly what happened calls him out on his selfish childishness.

[@thegloriouswizard5270]

See, THAT would be interesting.

[@TevyaSmolka]

not a bad idea in fact this idea could actually work

[@laststrike4411]

DrakeClawfang you should write it

[@TevyaSmolka]

***** actually if i may make a suggestion to your idea how about instead of making a alternative universe we have peter basically see all of his love ones die off and the main perpetrator behinds the attacks is both Osborn and they laugh and laugh until red smoke comes out of the fire place and Mephisto shows and up and shows him his daughter soul and peter realized his mistakes and goes to mary jane and realizes he fucked up and they both go to mephisto realm with the help of ghost rider and doctor strange to kick his ass with all three of peter's children mayday parker aka spider-girl benjy parker and finally annie may parker kick his ass

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

The official/technical explanation from the Marvel Database based on the events of OMD and OMIT, is that in Earth-616, everything between 1987 and 2007 happened as we originally saw it. However, there is another reality called Earth-81545, in which the OMIT timeline happened, and Peter and MJ never got married. Then, when Peter and MJ of Earth-616 made the deal, the things that differentiated 81545 from 616 were woven into 616 by Mephisto, and the different stuff in 81545 was the OMIT stuff. That's how they did get married on 616, but their 616 versions' marriage is seemingly erased.

[@TJTJTJ1]

Goddamn the book you described where maryjane get shot instead actually sounds pretty good I want to read it

[@TevyaSmolka]

well funny you should say that there was actually a what if story that has mary jane be the one to get shot by the assasins bullet and oh boy it gets really stupid at the end of that horrible story in my opinion :(

[@skyslasher2297]

Taylor jerling it honestly isn’t hell in my opinion One Moment In Time is worse then the actual OMD event given even stupider writing the blatant character assignation for MJ and just moronic everywhere else

[@gRinchY-op5vr]

​@Tevya Smolka honestly I feel like that was only done terribly to shut up comic fans complaints about OMD, kind of as a "see we could have used MJ instead but look how much worse that would have been for you all" when no, Linkara and others have pointed out how it could have been written that way and be much better than both OMD and OMIT...it just requires the writing department to not be lazy about it

[@DianaGohan]

12:52 - You know i just realized Linkara is talking about characters who'd wind up as part of the spider Verse with Peni Parker and Peter Porker.

[@Altair718]

Wait...that thing with Gwen cheating on Peter with Harry WASN'T just a sick joke I heard about on the internet? ....you know, I'm remembering why I stopped reading Spiderman.

[@Xehanort10]

+Altair718 It's worse than that. Gwen cheated on Peter with Norman Osborn and had 2 kids with him.

[@DGISALWAYS]

House of M Spider-Man at least lives a happy life for a bit.

[@DarsiPadilla]

@@DGISALWAYS And then the Inheritors came hunting.

[@DarsiPadilla]

@Ultimate Hedgehog Morlun's clan, dummy.

[@goldenstatewarriors9418]

If only that was the case. Thats better than what actually happened. It was with Norman not Harry. Another idea by Joe Quesada, because he thought Peter being a father aged the character too much, and that it wasn't shocking enough.

[@vampman87]

Looking back at this in 2018, they seemed to have predicted the awful "Peter Parker: Billionaire" arc in this story. I don't think Quesada predicted HOW Pete would get it (Dock Ock switching minds with Peter, using Peter's body to get a doctorate and then building a startup company, then switching minds back to normal and inadvertantly letting Peter inherit the company that just sold a very profitable piece of tech Ock built, making Pete a billionaire) but it did happen... for three agonizing years Peter Parker was as rich as Tony Stark... then he literally blew everything up when Doc Ock demanded the company back and now works at the Daily Bugle, effectively erasing EVERYTHING Peter did from 2008 to 2017. The Bugle being bought out and turned to a tabloid, Peter getting fired for protecting an innocent source, Peter getting a cop roommate, Peter meeting J Jonah Jamison's father and JJJ Sr. dating and marrying Aunt May, Peter's roommate making some shady deals and getting arrested, being replaced with his hot, feisty sister, JJJ becoming mayor of New York and Peter becoming his personal photographer, Peter getting fired from that job for altering a photo to try to protect JJJ, The Daily Bugle's physical headquarters getting demolished in a fight between Spider-man and Electro, Kaine coming back, sacrificing himself to save Peter, thereby resurrecting Kraven the Hunter, and then getting resurrected again, Peter getting hired at Horizon Labs and using their resources to defeat various threats, including the revival of the Sinister Six and the Spider Queen, Peter "dying," and getting possessed by Dock Ock, and, of course, the whole Superior Spider-man/Peter Parker: Billionaire story arcs that I previously mentioned... yeah, Spider-man now acts like NONE of those things ever happened now. There were a few issues dealing with the fallout of his business collapse but right now it's like the series started right after the deal with Mephisto!

[@welme23]

Seeing SFdebris makes me happy.

[@djoshawott2850]

14:00 Don’t forget the alternate universe where NC never existed and you were the owner of both Marvel and DC.

[@15oClock]

If you view Mary Jane as progress in Spider-Man comics and Aunt May as stagnation in the books, this is a worse storyline.

[@dnhs5441]

Little May's tearing down of Peter would be nice if it happened in the last issue of Spider- Man ever written.