Spider-Man's Less Iconic Real First Appearance Of Mary Jane Watson

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@CasuallyComics
@CasuallyComics 2 жыл бұрын
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@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388
@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 2 жыл бұрын
Gwen Stacy was way better though. Ending her was a huge mistake.
@robboyte1101
@robboyte1101 2 жыл бұрын
Mary Jane might have first appeared in ASM #25, but she is first referenced in ASM #16 -- the classic first meeting of Spidey and Daredevil. In that story, Aunt May tries to convince Peter to at least meet the niece of her friend Anna Watson, who's named Mary Jane. And in the very last panel, Spidey bemoans having to listen to his aunt again try to fix him up with "that Mary Jane chick".
@vullord666
@vullord666 2 жыл бұрын
Oh so the animated series took that straight out of her original comics? Neat.
@timothymarkin4481
@timothymarkin4481 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn’t it issue 15 where Aunt May mentions Anna Watson’s niece?
@robboyte1101
@robboyte1101 2 жыл бұрын
@@timothymarkin4481 Nice catch! However, she isn't mentioned by name until #16.
@100dfrost
@100dfrost 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I had that comic where MJ first showed her face. Nobody ever talks about the comic that she was in with Peter alone in his apartment after Gwen died, Peter was berating her for just being a "party girl" with no real deep feelings for anyone, that she could never understand how he felt at the loss of Gwen. Last panel, Peter is bent over crying, MJ, with tears in her eyes closes the door to the apartment .. still inside. Such suggestion! It effected my young self strongly. Nobody ever talks about that comic.
@queenannsrevenge100
@queenannsrevenge100 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like I remember a Kevin Smith discussion of that in a video somewhere - my recall might be getting the person wrong, but I do remember the same point about what a turning point that moment was in the comics.
@wowisntitanamazinglyamazin9550
@wowisntitanamazinglyamazin9550 2 жыл бұрын
Wdym? Literally one of the most iconic pages of MJ
@haldon12
@haldon12 2 жыл бұрын
YES! Return of the Peter voice! I was surprised that Betty Brant predated both Gwen Stacy and MJ - I first encountered her when I discovered the Spiderman and His Amazing Friends on Disney+, and thought she started there. Dare I hope we'll get a Superman's Girlfriend Lois Lane style playlist of first appearances of Spidey's ex-girlfriends?
@alexandrefrauches132
@alexandrefrauches132 2 жыл бұрын
Something I love about the Stan Lee and Steve Ditko/John Romita run is how it go against the tropes of the super hero comics of the time. Usually the main love interest would already present in the hero story from the start, like it was the case for Lois Lane and Selina Kyle. Mary Jane on other hand only meet Peter later in his story, giving more time for Peter to grow, with the story focusing Peter having other relationship before he and Mary Jane finally become offical couple, giving a very realistic take on relationship in super hero stories.
@davidmoran2296
@davidmoran2296 2 жыл бұрын
The full reveal of Mary Jane, is in my mind, legendary. Such a classic scene and such a classic line. "Face it Tigar, you just hit the jackpot."
@Awestefeld6612
@Awestefeld6612 2 жыл бұрын
She said the same thing in the Amalgam universe. When she met Spuder-Boy.
@wyrdhunter
@wyrdhunter 2 жыл бұрын
🎶 “I’m in love with Mary Jane/She’s my main thing/She makes me feel alright/she makes my heart sing” 🎶
@ramblingRJ
@ramblingRJ 2 жыл бұрын
The reason Mary Jane eclipsed Gwen was because Stan Lee claimed his wife Joan was the inspiration for Gwen. He began to write Gwen as a perfect woman, and future writers were afraid to give her any flaws, for fear of upsetting Stan. (Who had become editor-in-chief). So Gwen became boring. The Mary Jane character allowed the writers to have fun, making her quirky and uninhibited. That's why the 1970s creative team wanted to kill off Gwen and focus on MJ.
@davidmcmahon4633
@davidmcmahon4633 2 жыл бұрын
The Daily Bugle has a nice history too you might want to look at. The first superhero connected to it was the Fox from MLJ Comics in the 40s. Strangely, in his secret ID he too was a photographer for the Daily Bugle. Wonder if we will see a "blink and you miss him" shot of JJJ as a copyboy in those stories. 🙂
@jeffscroger7674
@jeffscroger7674 2 жыл бұрын
About a year ago I was working my way through the original Amazing Spider-Man issues (via the Marvel Masterworks collections) and was shocked to see MJ was basically a sitcom trope, the unseen oft-mentioned character who somehow still exerts influence on the protagonists (e.g. Vera from "Cheers" and Maris from "Frasier"). But the tiny kernel of romanticism in me found it charming that MJ has always been there, and was seemingly destined to always be "the one" for Peter.
@zxcbyyyy
@zxcbyyyy 2 жыл бұрын
I always forget how many girls were interested in Peter. Jameson must never be stopped I love his crazy plans and the fact it makes sense put a face on a robot just to watch and taunt spiderman. This was fun history to learn more about and I love the voices you do.
@violagreene4643
@violagreene4643 2 жыл бұрын
"His ability to juggle all these women, it's a skill. This video is brought to you by Skillshare." Ummm... does Skillshare have a class for THAT?!?!?!
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 2 жыл бұрын
One of my co-workers has used the site for "how to be a player" advice, so I assume so. I note that whatever he watched did not seem to help one bit, though.
@shadowapple8890
@shadowapple8890 2 жыл бұрын
Oddly enough, that single speech balloon about her father's death told me more about Cissy Ironwood than her actual two appearances in the comics.
@RABartlett
@RABartlett 2 жыл бұрын
Cissy Ironwood was basically Peter's Marvel Team-Up gal, created so we could see him engaging in civilian activities, without doing anything to contradict the main book. She has to be the only Chris Claremont character he didn't bring with him to another title, which has to feel like being the only cast member of FRIENDS not to host SNL.
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 2 жыл бұрын
I cannot see the word Ironwood without it bringing to mind Bill Willingham's 90's porn comic of the same name to title. I wonder if Bill was a fan of Team-Up and there's some subliminal inspiration going on there? Nah, it's probably just the obvious erection joke it appears to be. :)
@johnpjones182
@johnpjones182 2 жыл бұрын
@@richmcgee434 And then there's cat yronwode (she never capitalized her name), editor of Eclipse comics in the '80's.
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnpjones182 Oh yeah, I remember her - but more for the legal cases she was involved with, notably the attempted lawsuit by a serial killer who wanted to be paid for her using his face on a true crime card, and the free speech case she won to slap down some dipshit ordnance in Nassau County (which is local-ish, and made our papers back in the day). I was working in a comic shop at the time and we were keeping a careful eye on the legal news because Eclipse's card sets were actually selling fairly well. Not comic art card or stripper/porn star card well, but better than we expected. Think she was also involved with the CBLDF some too. Expert witness or something, not anything to do with her directly.
@billyhills9933
@billyhills9933 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnpjones182 Also a contributor to many a letters page. Sasha likes letters pages so maybe a topic that could be followed up on.
@Jessidafennecfox
@Jessidafennecfox 2 жыл бұрын
I swear Peter's harem is often overlooked as many see him with Gwen or MJ. The boy got game
@brendanobrien8198
@brendanobrien8198 2 жыл бұрын
A tongue in cheek bachelor esque one shot involving Peter and his past love interests and why they didn’t work would be hysterical
@ThatJohnKillion1970
@ThatJohnKillion1970 2 жыл бұрын
Peter Parker's little, black book was a mighty tome.
@CasuallyComics
@CasuallyComics 2 жыл бұрын
Lol there was nothing little about it
@Netasuke
@Netasuke 2 жыл бұрын
They do a similar set up in the spectacular spider-man animated series. "She has a great personality." Before revealing her at the door the night of the homecoming dance.
@DIEGhostfish
@DIEGhostfish 2 жыл бұрын
It's almost an inversion since others who see her in this confirm she's beautiful, vs peter dreadingnshe won't be.
@Xehanort10
@Xehanort10 2 жыл бұрын
9:16 Peter looking maniacal in that panel.
@GenerationWest
@GenerationWest 2 жыл бұрын
I was very much aware of the long, drawn out appearance, because I saw so many interviews with Stan Lee talking about it. So I read the first 20 issues during middle school, and read the Spider-Man official guide by DK books. Spider-Man, Batman, Nightwing, and Daredevil: Either they have impressive rogue's gallery, or an impressive black book.
@yt_Ajay_
@yt_Ajay_ 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see this Peter in the black suit. He'd be insufferable. 😂
@joshrowland7605
@joshrowland7605 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like that's Tobey from Spiderman 3
@TheGreatDevlin
@TheGreatDevlin 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshrowland7605 Lol you beat me to the joke
@raoularmagnac2037
@raoularmagnac2037 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshrowland7605 You mean "Bully McGuire?" 😉
@jhornacek
@jhornacek 2 жыл бұрын
The symbiote does not make you evil. That's an invention of the cartoons/movies. That never happened in the comics.
@macaemeia146
@macaemeia146 2 жыл бұрын
can we all just appreciate how much power Jameson has despite being just a journalist I mean, the guy can just ask people to make killer robots just to kill one guy
@DIEGhostfish
@DIEGhostfish 2 жыл бұрын
And he's not one of those billionare's brat journalists that run around ruining lives these days.
@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038
@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038 2 жыл бұрын
idk where else to say this but I'm not a fan of recent change of making MJ a reporter or scientist. I feel like as supporting cast member she has a very interesting spot as an artist. Peter is surrounded by reporters and scientists already. So having someone who is emotionally intelligent makes sense and makes for a unique dynamic. Spectacular Spiderman probably has my favorite MJ. I would honestly love to hear your thoughts on this matter and get more insight.
@Nightman221k
@Nightman221k 2 жыл бұрын
I like TSSM Spider-Man's MJ too. Having her start off as a trusted friend to Peter and Gwen is a nice way to show that she does care about both of them and the way that she helps people is endearing. And I liked that she was mature there. It's definitely a big change from 616 MJ. I think EVERY adapted version of Mary Jane deviates from the source material though. I'd argue it's often for the better. In the comics she shows up with a conceited, flightiness that was intentionally there to make her cause DRAMA in the friend group. She wasn't attracted to Harry at all but dated him cause he had wealth (and didn't care if he was uncomfortable with her being flirty), and she was catty and unpleasant to Gwen (unnecessarily taunting Gwen about Peter appearing mentally ill at Gwen's birthday party is a standout moment for me). She really just didn't have much regard for being nice to anyone in the early years. I don't really like 616 MJ and feel like she just shapeshifts conveniently/inconsistently into whatever role the writer wants... It's interesting since adaptations usually do something entirely different with her than the comics. I like the Raimi version cause she's still an aspiring actress but they don't have her be conceited, and they took her troubled homelife and made it intrinsic to understanding her (the comics retconned that to explain her flighty attitude). I feel like making her a scientist is a complete 180 from the Mary Jane whose interests are nothing STEM related in the comics (it's probably drawing from Gwen's interest in science) and the reporter thing is just mimicking Lois Lane.
@mikemorro140
@mikemorro140 2 жыл бұрын
It really is weird how they're always trying to change MJ in adaptions
@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038
@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nightman221k I like when we see MJ have clear goals outside of Peter. Spectacular does it well and so does Raimi MJ (although the movie focuses more on her relationship status than her career) I would like to see her start writing screenplays or directing movies after realising like how a lot of actors do overtime. Unfortunately when I started reading comics One more day had already happened so I could never get a good MJ stories. But Spectacular, the Mtv series and the 90s Spiderman cartoon made me love her. The reporter and scientist ones are just feel lazy.
@Jezee213
@Jezee213 Жыл бұрын
I like how they put icicles at the bottom of Betty and Liz's speech bubbles haha.
@princecharon
@princecharon 2 жыл бұрын
Important to remember that JJJ was pretty much Spider-Man's first real boss-villain (not just the Spider-Slayers, he also paid for the Scorpion to get powers, and I think a couple more). Also, that Peter in the Ditko era was probably Betty's 'I can fix him' guy, with all the scariness that this implies.
@ICP96
@ICP96 2 жыл бұрын
I am making my way through the Spider-Man comics chronologically, and I got a Tell you, I think mean Spider-Man is now my favorite. There's just something about him that I find entertaining. Also when it comes to Mary Jane's Characterization you can see where she is at the beginning versus who she becomes later in the comics verse, and it's fascinating. Issue 25 overall is actually one of my favorites, it's just the perfect mix of elements as far as I'm concerned. I'm taking a bit of a break but I've just read issue 49 and I'm about to read Spider-Man no more. Of course I still have 50+ years of comics to read, so wish me luck.
@ravenwilder4099
@ravenwilder4099 2 жыл бұрын
That issue really is a wild trip. Though I hoped you were going to talk about MJ's first non-cameo issue, #43, where a newscast about the Rhino rampaging downtown makes Mary Jane (who has no idea Peter is Spider-Man) decide they should get a closer look just for the thrill of it. And where they tell Peter stuff like "Petey-o, you're right from Groovesville!" and "Dad - you're the end!"
@JKevinCarrier
@JKevinCarrier 2 жыл бұрын
You have to wonder what Ditko had in mind for Mary Jane. As you point out, his "Mean Girl" Gwen is very different from what she eventually turned into, so there's no telling what a Ditko MJ would've been like...
@lukaspedraza5194
@lukaspedraza5194 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think I saw this fact in a video before now. Thinking about it now, it's actually kinda funny. To me at least. Cause it reminds me of how it was adapted in the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon, which also makes me laugh.
@Xehanort10
@Xehanort10 2 жыл бұрын
4:32 They probably got rid of the Spider Signal to avoid being sued by DC for ripping off the Bat Signal.
@tskmaster3837
@tskmaster3837 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I've noticed in those Ditko stories is that Ditko really liked to troll Betty Brant for some reason. This one just added to the pile of insecurities that a relationship with Peter entailed- for some reason. Let's see... Betty was a 17 year old high school drop out who's working as a secretary for the editor/publisher of the Daily Bugle- and let the red flags begin! Speaking of those flags and bad endings, that's something you should cover- Peter's reaction when Betty's replacement... aha, eh... handed him the photo she found in Betty's vacant desk. Peter, Peter, Peter.... Peter.... You're being a Peter.
@alexrutt4361
@alexrutt4361 2 жыл бұрын
Ditko’s nephew has a funny story about meeting Jack Kirby and being asked “so did he ever get a girlfriend?”
@DIEGhostfish
@DIEGhostfish 2 жыл бұрын
I seem to be missing something.
@TheZooropaBaby
@TheZooropaBaby 2 жыл бұрын
wasn't Betty kind of a stand-in for Flo Steinberg, the secretary of Stan Lee and maybe general Marvel bullpen?
@adrianomoraes5992
@adrianomoraes5992 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheZooropaBaby I never heard of it. Is there any source for it or just speculation?
@rodneylindsey849
@rodneylindsey849 2 жыл бұрын
Face It Tigers…We All Hit The Jackpot…When We Discovered CasuallyComics…Keep Up The Outstanding Work Sasha 🖖🏾
@matthewhood7844
@matthewhood7844 2 жыл бұрын
Your comment at 8:37 about Betty and Liz looking the same is so right. That was my immediate thought. It reminds me MAD comic's Starchie where the Betty and Veronica parodies are drawn exactly the same exact hair color.
@HandofOmega
@HandofOmega 2 жыл бұрын
Singen Smyth's Spider Slayers! Now, all of those are worth a video tracing their evolution all on their own!
@DIEGhostfish
@DIEGhostfish 2 жыл бұрын
I like how they replicated the "She''s very sweet" joke in Spectacular (Spec-tac-u-lar) Spider-man.
@dennismason3740
@dennismason3740 2 жыл бұрын
Ditko is insane in a beautiful way. When I saw the thumbnail I thought "Is that a crysanthimum (sp) in front of M.J.'s face? what the heck is going on here?" and holy moley.
@kevinbergman3784
@kevinbergman3784 2 жыл бұрын
It was funny how immediately when Romita took over everyone (except for Jonah) chilled the eff out. Even Flash calmed his ass down.
@gota7738
@gota7738 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a similar video tracking Norman's increasing cameos and even one issue as the villain before his reveal as the Goblin in #39, where most discussions on him seen to start. In retrospect it's really odd that the major fan explenation for Ditko leaving was that he was against Norman being the Goblin. Ditko's characterisation may not have come across as admirable as he intended (though very entertaining), but the guy was thorough in his build up.
@blackrazer22
@blackrazer22 2 жыл бұрын
The podcast Comic Geek Speak just did a Norman retrospective. You should check it out.
@gota7738
@gota7738 2 жыл бұрын
@@blackrazer22 Oh thanks! There's a surprising lack of retrospectives on Norman. It sounds interesting anyway but does it also cover pre-Goblin reveal Norman?
@blackrazer22
@blackrazer22 2 жыл бұрын
@@gota7738 yes it does. It was a major focus of the first 1/3 of the podcast.
@gota7738
@gota7738 2 жыл бұрын
@@blackrazer22 !!! Definitely going to listen to it, thanks!
@jhornacek
@jhornacek 2 жыл бұрын
Norman made many czmro appearances before Romita took over - Ditko put him jn thd background a lot, which proves that he intended him to be thd Goblin (he denied that was the reason he quit thd book). Also ASM #37 was Norman's big first appearance - he got a name and was part of the plot.
@thegrayshaws
@thegrayshaws 2 жыл бұрын
I've always thought it was lucky that Ditko never got around to drawing MJ so that Romita had a blank slate....I love Ditko's art but his women are not good looking like Romita's.
@somethingclever4297
@somethingclever4297 2 жыл бұрын
Why do so many of the women he draws look like evil witchs?
@jrcarter9175
@jrcarter9175 2 жыл бұрын
None of Ditko's people were good looking.
@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388
@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 2 жыл бұрын
Gwen Stacy was way better though. Ending her was a huge mistake.
@CieJe.Alexander
@CieJe.Alexander 2 жыл бұрын
Tobey McGuire was kinda channeling Ditko's Peter Parker (🕺when he was being corrupted) in 3rd Spider-Man movie
@josephkolar3443
@josephkolar3443 2 жыл бұрын
Romita’s background was romance comics, which is also why Peter got more conventionally handsome when he started drawing him.
@HandofOmega
@HandofOmega 2 жыл бұрын
Is this the first appearance of Sasha's Aunt May voice?! An important part of the "unseen niece" gag that wasn't mentioned, was that Peter knew who she was, because May was always trying to set them up, but since she went the "great personality" route of description, he was always actively running out and missing her! Parker Luck, indeed... I'm surprised Sasha made it through this entire ep with NO mention of Archie, Betty and Veronica (which would make MJ Cheryl Blossom, I guess)! For someone who's supposed to be the "everyman" of superheroes, Petey sure does have a harem, I didn't even recognize some of those girls...too bad there was no Jean DeWolf there. There was some speculation that Gwen was based on Ditko's "Sweeter Gwen" softcore porn comics, but I don't know if that's true...
@Raja1938
@Raja1938 2 жыл бұрын
If you liked Sasha's Aunt May here, you HAVE to check out her vid on the What If? issue featuring her as Spider-Ma'am
@KevlarNinja
@KevlarNinja 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, they did something similar in Spectacular, where May was trying to set up Peter and MJ, and Peter was like "oh wonderful personality? Oh boy... 🤢" Also Ditko era Gwen working those Namor brows I see.
@sofialogozzo2718
@sofialogozzo2718 2 жыл бұрын
I can't express in word how much this character means to me.Her personality and strongness are important to show how a female figure in comics can be so revolutionary . I think that in the origin writers want to make her so different from the other girls for this reason. She came from an abusive family and tried to survive to this with a mask of superficiality (we know her party-gal era).After Gwen's death(I can't stand her sorry) MJ began to show all the potentiality that Stan/Romita/Conway saw in her.The thing is not just that she loves Peter,is that she can understand his pain ,because they both hide their true soul behind a mask.They hide her initially to prepare a BOMB of character😂😂❤
@jhornacek
@jhornacek 2 жыл бұрын
MJ's tragic upbringing was a retcon by Tom DeFalco in the 1980s. During thd 1960s and 70s we had no idea she had such a bad family life and was masking it with her party girl persona.
@sofialogozzo2718
@sofialogozzo2718 2 жыл бұрын
@@jhornacek I know,but my comment was referring to her history in general.Sorry ,maybe I was too lenghty🥲
@adrianomoraes5992
@adrianomoraes5992 2 жыл бұрын
@@jhornacek But that was a good retcon. It gave her way more depth and distanced her from the initial shallow party person. Arguably when she decides to stay and support Peter after Gwen's death it is the start of this transition of the character. It was not initially intended but it made sense.
@bensneb360
@bensneb360 2 жыл бұрын
To say something from the 1960’s: Mary-Jane‘s first appearance was… out of sight man lol
@beezeejo
@beezeejo 2 жыл бұрын
Your Peter voice is the absolute BEST lol
@trevorghalt1881
@trevorghalt1881 2 жыл бұрын
Fun video and I understand Flash is mad being two time by Peter with his girlfriend but ditko's Peter Parker can't be hold down🤣
@chrisblanchard6422
@chrisblanchard6422 2 жыл бұрын
Okay that skillshare Segway got a giggle out of me
@DIEGhostfish
@DIEGhostfish 2 жыл бұрын
Segue. Segway is the rolling thing.
@chrisblanchard6422
@chrisblanchard6422 2 жыл бұрын
@@DIEGhostfish sorry Mr. Kamon
@shinkaiatsuya950
@shinkaiatsuya950 2 жыл бұрын
6:57 JJJ seems a bit too happy seeing behind Spider-Man, maybe that's why he likes chasing him xD.
@dcbandit
@dcbandit 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't realize how much of a harem of love interests Peter had, I was only aware of MJ and Gwen, but I guess it makes sense, considering how many writers write in personal fantasies for their protagonists.
@jhornacek
@jhornacek 2 жыл бұрын
Not all of them were romantic interests. Marcy Kane was a rival teaching assistant who turned out to be an alien.
@josefeliciano1077
@josefeliciano1077 2 жыл бұрын
..." if your mind frequents the gutter ..." 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@CharlesJohnson-tp7qq
@CharlesJohnson-tp7qq 2 жыл бұрын
"The Many Loves of Peter Parker " But that only leaves one question, who is the Maynard G. Krebs to Peter's Dobie?
@mandelabutterfly9162
@mandelabutterfly9162 2 жыл бұрын
Well wasn't he's only friend in comics, Harry Osborn.
@nishidohellhillsruler6731
@nishidohellhillsruler6731 2 жыл бұрын
You know, it's a kind of weird that after all these decades of watching J.J. Jameson in action, people still trust the news media, the so obviously biased news media. Also, if there's something absolutely relevant to notice and keep record of that first appearance of M.J. is that she's indeed, and always have been thiiiiicc. We have proof, let's never let the world forget about it again. And also; Ursula is the bestest girl ever in Peter's life, let's never forget about that precious cinnamon roll.
@gabrielrussell5531
@gabrielrussell5531 2 жыл бұрын
Jameson also made The Scorpion. He really does need to be stopped.
@christopherb501
@christopherb501 2 жыл бұрын
Can TOTALLY buy MCU-Jameson working to make such.
@richmcgee434
@richmcgee434 2 жыл бұрын
He was also periperally involved with the creation of the Fly, who was the product of experiments by the brother of the scientist who made teh Scorpion. Didn't work out any better for him, since the Fly attempted to kill both JJJ and Spidey on multiple occasions.
@kemmdog4444
@kemmdog4444 2 жыл бұрын
After watching your video today I just had to go back and watch the Spider-Man’67 episode version of the first appearance of the Spider-Slayer.
@kingjay7472
@kingjay7472 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Sasha have you ever covered Poison Ivy's daughters here on the channel. That could be a cool topic
@BlUsKrEEm
@BlUsKrEEm 2 жыл бұрын
This is the first I've ever heard of Ivy having daughters, and I refuse to look into them untill Sasha teaches me about them
@Merit2397
@Merit2397 2 жыл бұрын
More Lee/Ditko era Spider-Man PLEASE!!!
@jean-paulaudette9246
@jean-paulaudette9246 2 жыл бұрын
Modelled off'n Ann Margaret? Well that makes a whole lot of sense! The OG Kitten With a Whip, whaddaya know.
@lyndoncmp5751
@lyndoncmp5751 Жыл бұрын
Nobody has said it since he passed but RIP Jazzy Johnny Romita. Hilarious how just a short while earlier Ditko was visually in 1946 but Romita brought it to 1966. It's like night and day.
@samwill7259
@samwill7259 2 жыл бұрын
I always found this game funny, it just makes their eventual love at first sight moment all the more impactful. I imagine it something like a story they'd tell their eventual children one day about how they met
@SuperSongbird21
@SuperSongbird21 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently Ditko was a big fan of the objectivist philosophies of Ayn Rand, so he wrote Peter to have the same outlook on life during this period. Since this idea means valuing reason and knowledge and rejecting altruism, it can look quite heartless from a modern perspective - Marvel even lampshaded this in a recent Spider-Man comic where Peter looks back on his college years (basically he's remembered as "that know-it-all who never kept his promises and thought he was better just because he was smart") and effectively says to himself "Boy I read WAY too much Ayn Rand; there I was thinking I was intellectual and turns out I was just a jerkass!"
@Astonio
@Astonio 2 жыл бұрын
SASHA!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣that voiceover of mj’s aunt.
@MrOwl-mw3fb
@MrOwl-mw3fb 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you and always a pleasure to take in your observations. Love the observation on Ditko Peter being so unlikeable.
@DavidTSmith-jn5bs
@DavidTSmith-jn5bs 10 ай бұрын
I saw the 1967 Spider-Man cartoon episode with the robot hunter before reading a reprint of the original comic book featuring this story.
@chrisayer8846
@chrisayer8846 2 жыл бұрын
Casually comics I am a huge fan of the channel and I love watching videos
@rodneylindsey849
@rodneylindsey849 2 жыл бұрын
Face It Tigers , We All Hit The Jackpot 🖖🏾
@d-manthecaptain1382
@d-manthecaptain1382 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't this issue adapted into an episode of the oringal Spider-Man cartoon? I think it was called "Captured by J. Jonah Jameson" but Mary Jane, who only ever appeared in one episode of that show, was not included in the story.
@visitor48
@visitor48 2 жыл бұрын
That transition to the sponsor segment was a skill! Smoother than Peter Parker wooing the members of his harem.
@johnwalker5460
@johnwalker5460 2 жыл бұрын
Smoothes ad transition I have ever witnessed 😂
@NevsTechBits
@NevsTechBits 2 жыл бұрын
Steve Ditco and his Objectivism always always made me scratch my head. Especially his Mr E type characters. I always thought Ditco's Spiderman would be more... ultraistic? I had no idea Ditcos Spiderman was so... different. Doesn't seem like the friendly neighborhood type. Loving all of your content on Silver age stuff, the humor, and your voice acting Sash! lol Hope all is going well at home. Keep up the videos girl =)
@christopherb501
@christopherb501 2 жыл бұрын
Objectivism, to me, keeps coming off like yesteryear's internet atheism at best; a way to make one feel better about status quo-y beliefs you already have, a way to feel unjustly superior over others and a way to justify entitlements. And like internet atheism (or anti-SJW reactionism now, I guess), all it does is render one insular, unempathetic and perpetually cynical.
@gota7738
@gota7738 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, when it's first used the 'friendly neighborhood Spider-man' line is meant more ironically in contrast with his snark and his bad reputation. It's a bit like how everyone calls Peter a shy wallflower when one look into his inner monologue tells us he's anything but. That said in earlier issues of the run, Ditko and Steve do balance each other out well till Steve reportedly left more to Ditko and the tone gets more hostile.
@DIEGhostfish
@DIEGhostfish 2 жыл бұрын
Ditko wasn't writing Peter as a perfect exemplar though, he always seemed to be someone he thought needed to do a lot of growing up. But some of Peter's "pettiness" may at times be based on that strong blacknand white view.
@DIEGhostfish
@DIEGhostfish 2 жыл бұрын
I liked Ditko's Peter, he's got a mix of flaws but also can be really uncompromisingly good when the chips are down. (And some of the pettiness is part of thst uncompromising sense of justice)
@DSan-kl2yc
@DSan-kl2yc 2 жыл бұрын
I think he's great. He's the type of person that would create Spider-Man's origins. It's the same trait. He has a chip on his shoulder. Which is understandable. But it doesn't define him. He still can be sweet, have a good time, tell good natured jokes. But he can also spit venom back at bullies. And that's what spider man does. It's all consistent traits.
@msmithca1
@msmithca1 2 жыл бұрын
Cissy Ironwood appeared in a few issues of Marvel Team-Up in the late 70s. He and MJ were "on break" at the time because Pete had proposed and she said no.
@jhornacek
@jhornacek 2 жыл бұрын
Cissy Irobwood was definitely the Marvel Team-Up girlfriend. She rarely (or never) appeared in the other Spidey books.
@AtlarianOG
@AtlarianOG 2 жыл бұрын
This Channel has become my favorite channel regarding comics. I just hope that at some point you do something regarding The Sword of The Atom, and Power of the Atom comics. Especially since that really encapsulates Ray and Jeans relationship before Identity Crisis
@raoularmagnac2037
@raoularmagnac2037 2 жыл бұрын
Sasha, I just LOVE your Peter Parker voice! 😍
@kingspoit1
@kingspoit1 2 жыл бұрын
i bought this issue on the spinner rack when i was a kid. also have my spinner rack bought death of gwen stacy
@DIEGhostfish
@DIEGhostfish 2 жыл бұрын
Inhave a fun tidbit for you "The time Scorpion went to Canada to dodge the original superhuman registration act in 1989 despite already being a registered felon" he gets mind twisted by a demon that's fighting Alpha and Omega force and kills someone for rushing him in a public bathroom. And also shows off superpowers out of the suit.
@DIEGhostfish
@DIEGhostfish 2 жыл бұрын
It's part of the priginal Acts of Vengrance arc which jas such gold as "Reed Richards(oh how times changr) and the NRA argue to Congress that thr registration act is wrong while being attacked by minor supervillains" and "Loki sabotages his own plan by informing Magneto that yes, that *IS* the original Nazi Red Skull, not the communist or drug dealing imposter." Presumably because he thinks it would be funny.
@dem0n0maniac
@dem0n0maniac 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE your Spidey voice. Actually, I love all of your voices, but Petey is one of my favs!
@noneya3635
@noneya3635 2 жыл бұрын
Oh have to go back and watch more of these Spidey Vids. That Petey voice is too much. :) EDIT: and the Aunt May old lady waiver... mmmmwwah perfecto.
@TheDanishGuyReviews
@TheDanishGuyReviews 2 жыл бұрын
Jameson on that screen reminded me of Cult of the Subgenius, for some reason.
@usuitakumi4210
@usuitakumi4210 2 жыл бұрын
that was the best ad segway I've ever heard 😂😂😂😂
@andrepaul3483
@andrepaul3483 2 жыл бұрын
"Aunt May. You're an evil mastermind!"
@calebgoodman8955
@calebgoodman8955 7 ай бұрын
My favorite part of this gag is that this is *not* the first time we hear about MJ we actually have aunt May pretty consistently trying to set up Peter with her but he intentionally dodges every single attempt which is hilarious in future context
@TheBandicootNerd131
@TheBandicootNerd131 2 жыл бұрын
You should do a video retrospective on Black Cat
@titolove6895
@titolove6895 2 жыл бұрын
The spider identity remembers that trash talking while fighting the symbiote in the dream & thinks I should let this creature have him
@DrPluton
@DrPluton 2 жыл бұрын
I've read all of the Ditko ASM run and past that up until a bit past the time Gwen died. I really did find this visual gag funny. I loved that Peter was a bit aggressive/obnoxious in the early days.
@dupersuper1938
@dupersuper1938 2 жыл бұрын
I remember the episode of the 60s cartoon based on the Spider-slayer issue.
@knightofarnor2552
@knightofarnor2552 2 жыл бұрын
I... I think that the post-timeskip Ben 10 series might have had an episode that was inspired by this anti-spider drone thing. Even down to a news pundit who vilifies the protagonist projecting his face from a screen on it.
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman 9 ай бұрын
*Sasha: **_"Japan would have to censor this. Too tentacley!"_* 🤭🤭🤭
@markwarren9200
@markwarren9200 2 жыл бұрын
Your Aunt May voice entertains me with the fire of a thousand suns.
@gabrieldjatienza6971
@gabrieldjatienza6971 Жыл бұрын
Steve Ditko during his Spidey run, cleverly kept hiding MJ's face ..up until John Romita Sr. took over drawing Spidey, finally revealed her face .
@TheEvolver311
@TheEvolver311 2 жыл бұрын
That sponsor transition earned a full watch.
@Challagar
@Challagar 2 жыл бұрын
For a science/journalism nerd Peter was a major playa!
@natturnertv
@natturnertv 2 жыл бұрын
Great episode. Keep doing the voices.
@danieljamesbarton
@danieljamesbarton Жыл бұрын
Spidey is a real Jerk. I been rereading 73-74 run ASM, and so far he stole news papers and someone McDonald's burger.
@ryzekiv7147
@ryzekiv7147 2 жыл бұрын
Ditko’s Peter was more of a menace than Jameson who is more of a menace than Spider-Man who was less of a menace than Aunt May!
@nkrugjohn
@nkrugjohn 2 жыл бұрын
I love how the girl is trying to pull Peter back while he blows smoke up JJ's ass 😂
@michaellangwaller
@michaellangwaller 2 жыл бұрын
Mmmm, I love a fine segue into the sponser. I remember this issue. There is another plot used a few years later that has a robot with a JJ monitor for a head, I guess they liked the idea.
@Mayhem_jester
@Mayhem_jester 2 жыл бұрын
That's what I've been noticing for quite some time now is how petty and devious he was
@SuperEasywalker
@SuperEasywalker 2 жыл бұрын
You know in the SPIDER-MAN (2017) they also hid Mary Jane in a tiger mascot and mention her in passing until the third season she actually made an appearance. Also could you do a Flash Thompson retrospective given how he was Peter Parker’s bully, an Army man, paraplegic, and Agent Venom.
@Dougeb7
@Dougeb7 2 жыл бұрын
Peter Parker's love life was a wild ride in the early days. I'm surprised he garnered so much action with that squeaky voice. (No shade intended; I love your PP voice! 🤣)
@daverhoden445
@daverhoden445 2 жыл бұрын
While I knew of the earlier appearances, I was unaware of the size of his harem at the time. The dude had serious game.
@jhornacek
@jhornacek 2 жыл бұрын
That "harem" are women from Peter's life over 2 decades. Some of them he never dated.
@fobwatchful
@fobwatchful Жыл бұрын
That issue was hilarious! Peter was getting a bit of a big head, and getting somewhat full of himself, and he paid the price.
@jonathanmetze9796
@jonathanmetze9796 2 жыл бұрын
That skillshare segway Chef kiss
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