Spider-Man 2099 BIGGEST Adaptation Was BAD

[@SPIDERKN1GHT0327]

Miguel in the comics is kinda-like Bruce Wayne in terms of personality. By day he is quippy and charismatic. But by night, he lurks in the futuristic-shadows, waiting to take out Alchemax.

[@AngelZaragozah]

I think (even though 2099 came first) he's like an older version of terry from batman beyond if you get what i mean

[@SPIDERKN1GHT0327]

@@AngelZaragozah yeah very true

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

Bruce Wayne is not that quippy by day is he?

[@R0-83-RT]

Kind of ironic considering Terry McGinnis is often compared to Spider-Man(Peter Parker).

[@FrancisCastiglione]

​@@R0-83-RT Terry is Batman if he was Spider-Man. Miguel is Spider-Man if he was Batman.

[@daboring1]

future batman is more spidermany future spiderman is more batmany

[@corbinpenniman3265]

.....Damn that's so true 😂

[@daboring1]

@SWOONYMOONY and Terry can climb up walls

[@jwall2235]

I bet that was intentional

[@KaiMCGRPS]

​@@jwall2235it actually was, terry was loosely based on miguel

[@ruskflux]

Im bouta fart all over the place

[@lukalamorakboye2398]

I mean miguel in into the Spider-verse post credit scene seemed comic accurate, but as we all know he broke the canon and watched his family and entire universe die because of him, that kind of trauma could've changed him completely

[@jamestolbert1856]

I find that to be understandable and still love the character

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

We already have a Miguel that went through this scenario and he didn't turn into a tyrant who assaults and banishes anyone who doesn't fall in line with his opinions.

[@spktr117]

Entirely possible but still makes no sense as to why they’d even adapt his character at all if they decide to change him entirely.

[@Door3234]

@@nightmarefanatic1819"who disagrees with his opinions" that's not what happens, from what Miguel and the rest of the Spider Society knows it's "destroy an entire universe and end an uncountable amount of lives"

[@goofyicerink9560]

I mean he broke the canon so I guess you could stretch it to say that he broke his original character and became his own thing as a result

[@certifiedtrash3152]

Honestly what I hate most about spiderverse 2099 is that he's still a really good charicter, he just so happens to be nothing like his comic counterpart

[@ThatGuy-ht4sp]

Well said.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

He felt more like superior Spidey

[@PhonyFox_A]

​@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674honestly i thought about this ngl but i guess doc oak as spiderman doesn't seen that good compared to a futuristic spiderman

[@Corrupted_Eon]

I mean, they are different people

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

Which is wild since the movie tries to tell us that he IS the Miguel from the comics. Honestly, I like him as well, but if he had been switched out for someone like Superior Spider-Man nobody would be like "damn, that seems more like Miguel O'Hara, that should have been him."

[@marveler8994]

I personally wasn't going in expecting spiderverse to be 1:1 comic accurate or anything when pretty much none of the characters are, they just kinda fit the story that's being told.

[@mrdogich5655]

I liked the movie version, but it doesn't really represent the original idea of that character. For example, they changed A LOT about Miles, but his core stayed the same, and the changes they made only improved upon the original concept, "thesis" if you want. However Miguel didn't get the same treatment

[@israelfilmedthat]

Well I’d say Gwen is pretty 1:1 and Peter B is pretty accurate in terms of trait wise

[@Stealthybat39]

Same can be said to the live action Spider-Men ,but nahhh Spider verse fans always claimed their movies version are better adaption ,because the movie has comicbook style animation or something.

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

​@@mrdogich5655hes good

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

​@@israelfilmedthatyeah

[@LiMe251]

You forgot a 2099 Adaptation, the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.

[@Fenyx950]

We don't talk about Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon

[@LiMe251]

@@Fenyx950 Fair. He wasn't that bad in it though, they let him remain serious and heroic as far as I remember (Assuming he wasn't changed after the spiderverse arc)

[@38murdock]

​@@Fenyx950 that show was good

[@kidwhoscrolls]

@@38murdock 1) *Monkey noise* 2) All of the characters are 1 dimensional 3) All of Peter’s “friends” are dicks for no reason 4) All of the jokes are low effort & heavily explained 5) *Monkey Noise*

[@helixsol7171]

​@@Fenyx950 You can separate the show from Drake Bell, bro.

[@matti.8465]

I did not realize how perfect Otto would have been for Miguel's role. A genius control freak who wants to do the right thing by any means necessary and is insecure about how much of a real Spider-Man he is. He could have been a great foil go Miles.

[@mostafamansour2495]

Bro facts superior spiderman fits here more

[@wereodd21]

I agree, and if they still want Miguel to the antagonist he could be second in command of spider society. Hell, superior could have lie to Miguel about the cannon need to stay in tack right after he lost his family since his mind be fragile at that moment. Also miles can make everyone including Miguel about everything superior have told them.

[@jamestolbert1856]

Holy crap! That would’ve been way better but I do still love this version.

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

​@@wereodd21Superior in Miguel's role and Miguel in Jess's role would have made MUCH more sense for Miguel.

[@sepp4815]

True but everyone would have known that it was a lie, so no big twist, while now nobody know what is really going to happen

[@digthesechild-bearinghipsb2842]

I'm okay with Miguel and other characters being different in adaptations, but as soon as they are changed to be like the "popular one" then it becomes a problem

[@radrno7]

And this is the problem with these animations. People now consider Noir to be Nicolas Cage and won't accept anything else. I'm dead serious, this is the time we live on.

[@elfascisto6549]

​@@radrno7 hate the spiderverse movies

[@gwit4051]

Why is it a problem? Characters change, and just because one was made earlier doesn't mean subsequent versions have to be like it. You can have preferences for sure but calling it a problem is a bit silly.

[@digthesechild-bearinghipsb2842]

@@gwit4051 I was mainly talking about when the characters in the comics become like the ones on screen, where their personalities don't match up. Marvel does this all the time and it's known as "Brand Cohesion". It often results in character assassinations and incoherent stories. Imagine if a character suddenly changed their entire personality and perspective for no reason other than the movie version of the character is like this so therefore comic must follow suit.

[@gwit4051]

@@digthesechild-bearinghipsb2842 I agree to that

[@Vegeta79372]

Spider-Man, 2099 deserves his own solo movie.

[@alexgomez6723]

Far more than Miles Borealis.

[@Vegeta79372]

@@alexgomez6723 lol fr since he was Peter original successor in the comics animated shows and in video games before Miles came to marvel

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

Yes, he's a pretty unique character and his entire world is completely different from the "Modern Day New York" setting you get over and over again.

[@pepegaprogrammer]

The movie did Scarlet Spider dirty

[@crazyredhead4968]

I know Kaine wasn't even in the movie but yeah Ben was done dirty but also they did get him right

[@Doxthefox]

One of them tho, it’s literally the multiverse

[@Genisis0226]

Facts. They made him an unfunny joke

[@Doxthefox]

@@Genisis0226 ya know not every good joke is funny

[@ExpertContrarian]

@@Doxthefoxyou don’t know what a good joke is

[@camh9780]

Thank you so much for making this video ATSV Miguel’s inaccuracy needs to be known.

[@MTC-hy6ig]

So? Still a good character

[@dommoore6180]

@MTC-hy6ig I mean I've got a load of nostalgia for the original 2099 run, loved it as a kid, and I still am pretty fond of Miguel as a character. So it was cool to see him get popular and be in a big movie, but I won't lie it did suck at the same time. As soon as I saw the first images of him in the film, it was pretty obvious that they weren't gonna be accurate. Ok sure, whatever, that's what adaptations do. But the actual character in the film is a borderline character assassination. It's cool people like him, but that's just not Miguel, at all.

[@BLAKPIXEL98]

Well, to be fair, the movie version of Miguel witnessed the death of his family and a whole universe. That level of trauma can completely change a man's personality. Perhaps the reason he seems so different from his comic counterpart is because of the different experiences they've had. Perhaps Miguel WAS more like his comic version BEFORE all his dead family & incursion shenanigans.

[@ivancastillo2235]

I do believe that because in the movie he has videos and he seemed much more happy and calm.

[@Fenyx950]

in the comics Miguel literally loses his wife and goes to his ex and you're telling me that witnessing the death of a child and wife that aren't his is what changes him

[@BLAKPIXEL98]

@@Fenyx950 Well movie Miguel lost his family TWICE. Not only that, but also watched an entire UNIVERSE die and that's a whole other level of traumatic. And they were his in his mind, kinda like how Wanda tried to take the alternate version of her kids in MOM.

[@ivancastillo2235]

thats not what im saying im saying i agree with you because in the movie he had videos with his children before he lost them and he seemed happy, but I do believe all the trauma messed with his mind and he now he's changed for the worst@@Fenyx950

[@arachnidcomics6404]

⁠@@BLAKPIXEL98in the OG comics Miguel witnessed the destruction of Nueva York when it was flooded to hell and he still didn’t do nearly as many stuff as movie Miguel did. I mean, he was still distraught but he got better and accepted it. OG comics Miguel and movie Miguel are just two different people.

[@SquidJustice]

I would genuinely love a 1:1 comic adaptation of 2099 Spider-Man. I really do enjoy the version we got in ATSV, but yeah he's obviously not the same Miguel we knew in the comics.

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

I would love that too! My ideal is an animated adaptation that remembers that animation isn't just for kids. It doesn't even have to be Spider-Verse levels of innovative. ATSV was already skirting the line between PG & PG-13, take the leap of faith Sony!

[@oa-san53]

Though that could possibly imply making adaptations of the other 2099 characters, like Doom, Punisher or the X-Men

[@RamChop451]

The corpo raised cyberpunk becomes a tyrannical dictator. What did they do to you my beloved Miguel

[@society7394]

I think one of the main parts I love about shattered dimensions that it allows us to hear the two best Spider-Man voice actors banter off each other.

[@ty-ray1307]

I don't think Across was a bad adaptation I think being so stressed out has brought him out of character there is a deleted scene of him interacting with Gwen, Ben, and Jess and it seems more in line

[@sobakaspy]

That's an old story actually. Every time some guy decides to make his own character out of already existing character and this go popular, comic writers decide (sometimes) to adapt this into comics. Same was with the Joker, like after Dark Knight he turned into agent of chaos, and then, after 2019 movie clown once again became victim of society (at least in some stories). Same happens right now with Miguel. Hopefully, someone woud change his character back. Still, I really dig his original run. Later comics were kinda meh for me

[@rexthewolf3149]

It’s that the comics are often so desperate to get a fraction of the audience that the movies do that the will actively change things to align with them.

[@Bana_Frog]

THANK YOU, I'm not the only one! The movie should've used Superior Spider-man instead of Miguel. Otto's whole deal is being so arrogant he can't see that he's wrong about his methods. Otto even invented the dimension watches and tried to lead his own team in the original spiderverse comic. I wrote all this before the end of the video, I didn't know that the character in the comics was being changed now but that's exactly what happened with the MCU too so I'm not surprised. I'd really hate to see Miguel end up just being "Mike from that hit movie" from now on just cause the movies have a wider audience like how Tony Stark became RDJ. I think the only reason Miguel was put in the role and not Otto even though it feels like Otto would be the perfect fit is solely because 2099 is the most recognizable Spider-Man besides Peter and maybe even more than Miles or Ben Reilly depending on what you grew up with. I wasn't into comics when I was younger but I picked up a few classic 2099 comics from Half Price Books after playing dimensions as a kid. That's the version of the character I love and it's so annoying seeing him adapted this way, it's like watching a toddler try to fit a square block in a round hole. Sure it fits for them, but to me it just isn't right.

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

@@Bana_Frog I honestly feel like, because they admit the story was influenced by how some people don't like Miles, they specifically used Miguel as he's the original successor to the Spider-Man mantle because they wanted to make some stupid point about Miles's worthiness to be Spider-Man or something. They even have Miles hypocritically ask Miguel if he's sure he's actually Spider-Man, and now a shit ton of people who only know Miguel from the movie are going right along with it, coming up with every reason they can think of as to why Miguel doesn't deserve to be Spider-Man, from his powers not being a direct copy of Peter's, him getting his powers in a different way, him "not being able to wall crawl" when he literally can, and that he has laser webbing inside of natural webbing (which he actually DOES have unlike Peter, Miles, Gwen and the majority of other Spiders who have to make web shooters and his laser webbing is just like using a web shooter that doesn't have the drawbacks of normal webbing.)

[@Bana_Frog]

@@nightmarefanatic1819 reminds me of a bit GodzillaMendoza did at the end of his Scarlet Spider and Miles cosplay tutorial. 2099 shows up and they ask who he is. He says, "I'm the half Hispanic guy with the black and red costume and a father with a dark secret who takes your place after you die!" To which the other Spider-men say, "so... Miles?" It's still funny how redundant Miles still is, I appreciate the first Spiderverse movie for giving us a much better take on the character but I rly wish 2 had extended that courtesy to the other characters. I was thinking the other day about the Stan Lee quote everyone uses about "anybody could be behind the mask" and honestly I think (and could be wrong) Stan wasn't making some grand statement about whether anybody could be Spider-Man, but just talking about how the costume on the cover could appeal to anyone... Maybe I'm wrong but idc, I picked up Ultimate Spider-Man to read about Peter Parker. I kept reading after he died because Miles was an interesting concept as a character, but poorly executed. And now adays I'm reading the new USM but I haven't touched a Miles book and keep looking over and seeing him with new gimmicks like his own rip-off clone saga and now a lightning sword... But back to Miguel, yeah any time the more mainstream media takes a lesser known character and makes it mainstream the original character is gone. The source material is changed to reflect the new shit for better or worse, I was genuinely surprised reading some older comics and seeing the older Tony Stark before the MCU. I hope Miguel isn't hit too hard but I saw he was forming a Spider-society in the comics after the movie came out so yeah, I'm staying away from that.

[@dommoore6180]

@@nightmarefanatic1819 I actually quite like Miles, think they've done a pretty solid job with him all told at this point. But Miguel, in my nostalgic brained heart, is still "the" successor to Peter. They contrast each other so well and Miguel comes from a time when Peter still had this thing called development. Miles, it's not his fault, is from an alternate universe, forced into the main one and placed alongside Peter. And it's at a point where Peter has had 0 direction for literal decades. It's just a static picture. Miguel's also a fair bit more unique personality wise, but hey ho.

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

@@Bana_Frog Despite how fumbled Symbiote Spider-Man 2099 was I still hope Peter David could do some more (drawn by Devmalya Pramanik GOD PLEASE) just to help keep his portrayal on track. He's such a great character and I'd hate that a completely butchered portrayal of the character is the new standard for how he is portrayed.

[@Bana_Frog]

@nightmarefanatic1819 I just imagine the real Miguel's story ended with the whole 2099 Manifest Destiny thing, I think that was the name.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

This is the same adaptation movie universe, who made King Pin 10 ft tall and look like a damn giant boulder, also the reason why he is so serious is because he thinks that he caused the destruction of an entire reality and the death of the girl he treated like a daughter, so it is reasonable why the guy has lost it and he does have humerous moments

[@spideybuildscars]

My thoughts exactly. And even then an adaptation of a character is rarely spot on

[@spider-man500]

That's a terrible excuse.

[@HMNCLunar]

​@@spideybuildscarsis rarely WHAT!?

[@spideybuildscars]

@@HMNCLunar spot on. As in a 1 to 1 adaptation of something, like this character

[@Hazel_TheOne]

@@spideybuildscarsrarely SPOT on BAHAGGAHAGA

[@haysonnahal8123]

I’m glad that my first introduction to the character was edge of time that game is so nostalgic now

[@zacharystephens174]

THEY NEVER GIVE HIM THE COMIC ACCURATE BLACK AND RED SUIT

[@Prowarrior1175]

Thats why 616 peter isn't in the spider society he will straight up tell miguel that what hes doing is wrong

[@Shido_Takamiya-2v4f]

I personally agree

[@lolwsp6481]

current 616 peter wouldnt do shit tbh, they actually ruined him so badly

[@TheOtakuNinja69]

I remember collecting Spider-Man 2099 comics during the 90’s. Miguel O’Hara is my second favorite Spider-Man after Peter Parker. Technically Miguel O’Hara’s costume is a recycled Day of The Dead costume. I agree with what you said in this video, I tried explaining to people about what Miguel is really like from the comics but they don’t seem to care. It just disappoints me when people don’t like looking at the original source material.

[@PapaBear77]

I wholeheartedly agree. Most of the people watching the film for the first time don't even understand these characters come from comics. I remember when Black Panther came out and idiots genuinely thought he was the creation of Ryan Coogler (director and co-writer) Normies only consume what's on the screen and don't care for anything that came prior.

[@TheOtakuNinja69]

@@PapaBear77 I was always inspired to read the original source material whenever I watched cartoons, video games, tv shows or movies based on certain particular superheroes. I was always curious on what got them started and stuff like that. I grew up during the 90’s and I saw a lot of Superhero media when growing up and I was inspired to read the original comics.

[@JackOfNone97]

I remember a lot of people saying 2099 was actually going to be Miguel’s brother Gabriel O’Hara and I feel like that may have worked better from a character perspective since his version of 2099 is less well known and has less expectations around it

[@SoulFirePhoenix21]

You know what’s funny about the superior Spider-Man mention, a discord server I’m in literally did that for spider-verse story RP

[@SoulFirePhoenix21]

It was basically ASTV but Superior spider-man is villain instead of the spot

[@SoulFirePhoenix21]

Basically the story went like this Superior is traveling across the multiverse to switch bodies with another spider-person to ignore his cannon event of Peter Parker getting his body back and one of those spider-people was gonna be my interpretation of Miles

[@SoulFirePhoenix21]

And originally before across the spider-verse was about to come out The spider-society was suppose to protect Miles from superior instead of well the other way around

[@coooooooooooooooorn]

That's cool as shit

[@Churrros]

I hate how so many spider verse fans were just confidently claiming he was a vampire

[@PauTheDeo]

He's also in the Ultimate Spider-Man event during the Spiderverse event

[@Mahoraga553]

i dont expect him to stay the same after destroying an entire world

[@deathmaker7162]

My biggest complaint and honestly the one thing that makes me not enjoy the movie is the fact that they tried so hard to make him a villain, no not an antagonist, a straight up villain, remember how everyone looks at him when Gwen says "I thought we were the good guys" girl everything happening right now is completely 100% your fault! For new generations of spiderman fans they will know him as a bad spiderman (don't get me wrong, Miguel is not a good spiderman, that's what makes him special and different from Parker) but people will start to know him as a bad guy... I hope I'm wrong, he's definitely my favorite superhero

[@goofyicerink9560]

but even despite that there are still very in depth video essays out there that go over how miguel isn't exactly evil using the points that were given in the movie already, like I think if the movies tried that hard to make miguel seem like a villain, people wouldnt be able to make extensive points as to why miguel is still right in some way

[@victorsegeriv255]

it’s insane that these r the only outside adaptations of 2099 this character deserves way more screen time in other media

[@animatedzack2013]

damn now that you pointed out how superior could have been a better role for Across it made me WISH he was the antagonist

[@Shido_Takamiya-2v4f]

Yea that could at least fit the movie but I'll be honest I never read comics about superior Spider-Man

[@The_revenger69]

You forgot the ultimate spider man version of spider man 2099

[@randomgamer625]

3:09 correction, the drug Raptur is actually just so incredibly addicting that it’s impossible to leave it. And Alcamax is the only supplier so there forcing him to keep working for them just to get more

[@Shido_Takamiya-2v4f]

Yea probably the most menacing organization I ever read

[@cameronwest2044]

2099 needs his own movie. In a live action style with his old look. that shows his start and rise to power.

[@Guestus-n2j]

Well, yeah, sure. He may not be comic book-accurate... but he's a fucking cool character, I'll let you know that.

[@diegorosario5165]

I think we really need to think about when we use the word "damage" cause I don't see anything broken here. He's different. As is every other adaptation of Spider-Man. That's a product of having other people interpret the source material and make it fit the narrative they developed. This is a version of Miguel that firsthand saw the consequences of breaking canon. If you want a one-to-one adaptation to 2099, you're not gonna get that here.

[@angelor9211]

As a comic fan, you pretty much get used to different takes on a character you like

[@sonxicor8921]

Superior in movies would be lit

[@SPIDERKN1GHT0327]

Peter and Miguel in Edge of Time go together like PB and J

[@jakehiebert8664]

You forgot about the miguel from the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon. In the show the creators forgot that his organic webs come out of the top of his wrists.

[@otadota8864]

Don't even get me started on Ben Reilly

[@fundeztroyer]

It’s just the way he was developed in this version of himself. In the post credits, he was shown to be the witty version we know. But after doing what he had done, he doesn’t want anyone to make the same mistake he did and kill billions of innocent people. Plus now he knows about the different universes, can travel between them, and is almost the protector of them all in a way. The stress of that plus the trauma he had went through and caused just because he wanted a family again does something to a person

[@Shido_Takamiya-2v4f]

And that just terrible killing billion of innocent people is not his thing.

[@lolwsp6481]

⁠@Shido_Takamiya-2v4f he didnt necessarily kill them in the way youd expect, his presence in an alt universe is what destroyed it which he didnt intend to happen at all. idk i think its pretty reasonable to explain why he is the way he is in the movie

[@RamChop451]

When i read the 2099 comics for the first time, i read Miguel's normal voice as his voice in edge of time, and his spidey persona voice as his shattered dimensions voice

[@jerryholland2728]

Miguel also showed up in Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon. Good adaptation

[@killmongers550]

When I was a kid I always thought he was just a upgraded suit of spider man and use to be my favorite spider man before Kaine but he still my second favorite spider man suit

[@nishchayjain1121]

I would say that Miguel became even more cynical than he already was, due to time travel stuff.

[@mikaelamonsterland]

Across the Spider Verse was really frustrating to me for having him be a villain like that and I didn't like it as much as the first one

[@shadowanders]

Now even if they wanted to go with a time traveling Miguel (all new all different) he spent the ENTIRE RUN MESSING WITH NEXUS EVENTS! His entire point is that time isn’t concrete and that everyone deserves a second chance. This movie has no idea who they are adapting

[@kataimason3230]

Cant be upsett with his theme song

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

Weirdly this Miguel's powers seem to be tech based aside from his strength and speed. When Miles shorts out 2099's suit he has trouble wall crawling and his webs dont work correctly.

[@nazca-_-8061]

Edge of Time is the closest we will ever get to the comics.

[@tabkg5802]

Honestly I'm not sure who got butchered more Peter, Miguel or Ben. It's kinda impressive how horribly that movie treated it's best characters. But hey at least 2099 suit is the best one out right now

[@wendigomaneiro8892]

6:09 Me: "Hey Miguel, just wanting to let you know that I LOOOOOOVEEEEEE ARMPITS 🥴🥴🥴🥴" Miguel:

[@christianmanka3884]

I read the 90s run over and over again. I enjoy Across The Spider-Verse (not as much as everyone else) but their 2099 just felt off. The whole story with his daughter was interesting but just nothing like the comics. They got the design right, most of the powers, and the perfect actor.

[@ChainsawMixx]

They got everything right except his actual character, how does that even happen

[@eenigma2663]

I hadn't mentioned it in my previous comment as I was mostly rambling through my thoughts, but I think this was a great video even with my personal disagreements. I agree that 2099 was an awesome iteration of Spiderman, though my biggest exposure to him was through Edge of Time. I liked watching you go through the history of the character and his appearances, and it provided a few more details and reminded me of even more I had forgotten over the years. Much appreciated for a solid watch/listen!

[@ryugano5025]

Really hate how they spend the few screentime ben riley had mocking his comic "edgyness" while miguel was allowed to be literally just that unironically for the whole movie, it felt so hypocritical

[@ryugano5025]

Kinda makes me wish we had the REAL miguel stepping up and kicking that dictator wannabee ass just like superman did in the first injustice

[@Dayne95]

I agree when I watched the teaser trailer for across the spider verse, and when I saw Miguel, I honestly thought he was trying to save miles from the other universe and bring them back to his so he can recruit him to be part of the spider society

[@Artist_Unbound]

Honestly, I agree with Spider-verse Miguel. I get it's an adaptation, and they say he's an "antagonist" but he's written to be a complete jerk. I get in the comics he's more unhinged according to his creators, but he still has a soft side. He's cynical, has a temper, but still believes in doing the right thing, he just had a crappy life that's all. But eventually, he loosens up a little and remembers he's a hero.

[@radium6962]

We also see him being a good guy and a nice person, this Miguel clearly went through a lot and is like that due to that- but he isn't all bad and we see this in how he interacts with other spider-people before the miles chase.

[@chaosuniverse8005]

My first encounter with Miguel was Spider-Man Edge of Time and boy, he became my favorite Spider of all the time. He was cold, lonely, and serious, but we all could sense the good in him, and I found them out, when I had no knowledge of how to understand English. When I watched the movie, I was like, What the Shock? This is not Miguel!

[@badollies]

i’ll forever have the image of miguel carrying a battered up peter cemented in my mind, shattered dimensions was sick but edge of time was much better storytelling, the going back and fourth between time, miguel learning what it really means to be spider-man from the og, STILL SLAPS

[@fanb1536]

AtSV completely mischaracterized EVERY Spider-Man that wasn't Miles. Ben Reilly was a parody of something the real Ben never was in the comics, as one example. On top of everything though, this movie basically claims that EVERY, SINGLE SPIDER-MAN that appeared in this film - whether it was beloved SPECIFIC iterations like Spectacular Spider-Man or Unlimited, or even CHARACTERS FROM THE PREVIOUS FILM - are now morally bankrupt enough to just stand by and let several people die "for the good of the multiverse", including a kid's - Miles' - own father. This movie single-handedly retconned an infinite number of iterations on the same hero to suddenly be members of an inter-dimensional Death Cult. I REFUSE to believe that *Spectacular Spider-Man* especially, one of the Spider-Men that more than anyone believed in his responsibility to do what's right, would be the one to tell a kid they "just have to accept it." And why? Why was the film written like this? To prop up Miles as objectively correct (which he is), by altering everyone else to be cartoonishly evil. AtSV's Miguel is the way that he is, ONLY because the writers wanted to make him into a strawman representing Miles haters; *they admitted as much in interviews!!!* Why did they feel the need to in the first place, when the first film had already made a perfect refinement of Miles into an extremely likeable character? This behavior is incredibly immature and disrespectful. Fuck this film and anyone who defends this horseshit.

[@reubenax]

So they should've encouraged Miles to get his universe destroyed? 😂😂

[@fanb1536]

@@reubenax they should've tried to figure out a way to save his universe anyway, because they're all motherfucking Spider-Man, THE hero defined by how selfless he is, and just like Miles they would never accept that there's nothing that could be done to save lives. Besides, you and I both know that canon events are bullshit. The second movie is gonna come out and reveal the extremely-obvious plot twist that "oh no, universes were being destroyed by something else entirely!1!!" and it was all just a big misunderstanding, because the big stubborn old man 2099 was being a big stubborn old man who didn't want to accept new ideas :(( It's all just contrived BS to prop up Miles as the good guy by morphing [literally everyone else] into an idiot, or a stubborn self-righteous jerk.

[@reubenax]

@@fanb1536 As far as they were aware, they only had one option: apprehend Miles. They saw canon events destroy universes with their own eyes. Not only that, they were explicitly shown to have tried to save universes in similar cases. The problem is, they can't(not with their current technology at least), which the movie straight up says in regards to the indian universe. So when, to their knowledge, canon events cannot safely be broken, why shouldn't they discourage Miles?

[@fanb1536]

@@reubenax Because Spider-Man would still continue trying. They barely understand jack about canon events and absolutely would try to save people regardless, trying different ideas. Spider-Man is not a "sacrifice one for the greater good of all" type of hero whatsoever, he is borderline selfish in how much blame he places on his own shoulders.

[@reubenax]

@@fanb1536 They don't "barely understand". They have an extensive list of canon events because of how many they've witnessed and how much research they've done. Should PS4 Spider-Man have saved Aunt May or New York? It's the same dilemma here.

[@knuxuki1013]

This is what I hate about adaptations like this because now the adaptation is more popular than the original story and the original story in the comics are now going to change to fit the adaptation

[@Shido_Takamiya-2v4f]

I'll be honest I'll never actually read about the 90s marvel comics

[@Shido_Takamiya-2v4f]

But I do understand that everyone like the original and I respect that but new people nowadays just think that adaptation is better than original story which is complete bullsh*t

[@Door3234]

I NEED Edge Of Time Miguel to be in the next movie

[@Hadeks_Marow]

You forgot the ultimate spider-man (animated) adaptation.

[@GaZum22]

Bro is a victim like Teen Titans and Deadpool.

[@Lucar56lucar]

Imagine if post credis spiderverse Miguel isn't the same as across the spiderverse Miguel and we end up with miles meeting a comic accurate version of of Miguel who then aids him against his spiderverse counterpart

[@rwepnca7424]

In post credit scene he was comic accurate. And i think he will understand that he's not spider-man anymore and will change his ways in 3rd movie

[@mjolnair]

I also remembered he said that’s what you signed up for like does he know the first thing about being Spider-Man? No one asked to be bitten and get powers but Miguel on the other hand he did sign up this

[@Imauralz]

Not really since he got forced into the experiment by his co-worker who attempted to kill him

[@Yoshun-1738]

That comment about how superior spider-man should've been in 2099s place was so good. I remember seeing the trailer for the movie and made the same comment, "where is superior spider-man??". Don't get me wrong, the movie was good, but 2099 being the "villain" of the story just kinda felt wrong to me and should've been given to someone else. Great video dude!! :)

[@pinappizzayumyum6390]

Just wanna shout out that you missed the spider man 2099 from the Ultimate Spider-Man show!!You should consider giving that adaptation a look at

[@spktr117]

Definitely the worst Miguel adaption. I don’t mind his design at all. It’s just his characterization that was just wrong. He’d never actually act the way he does in Spider-Verse. It sucks because that’s the most popular adaptation.

[@uke-01]

FINALLY SOMEBODY WHO ALSO THINKS IT SHOULD’VE BEEN SUPERIOR!

[@thenormie]

Honestly now I feel like people reading other versions of 2099 are gonna be disappointed. I’m kinda sad because they completely changed his character and now they prob wanna rewrite him to be like ATSV. Edge of time Spidey is my fav just cuz it’s what I knew first personally tho and with how he’s pretty different from source I guess there’s room for movement

[@ninjat-rex7472]

FUN FACT: Vulture 2099 did actually appear in the DS version of Shattered Dimensions as the first boss you fight in Miguel's dimension.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I enjoy the Spiderman 2099 that appeared in the Ultimate Spiderman show. The CGI was really cool and i enjoyed his arc as well.

[@sparking023]

yeah, as much as it was cool to see Miguel in the movie, making him the antagonist was just wrong. They also did Ben Reily dirty by making him a cry baby and essentially a confused lost child. All that to highlight Miles...

[@reflex9238]

I’m glad someone finally made a video as this was my biggest gripe about the movie.

[@PauTheDeo]

Only 4 days after the last vid, and you made another video, that's amazing. Also your Shocker video convinced me to buy Superior Foes of Spider-Man, and the comic is great, thanks.

[@matti.8465]

Miguel works perfectly well as an alternate ending version of himself, where he takes over Alchemax, starts defending the multiverse but becomes too absorbed in his work and can't handle the immense responsibility. It's definitely how Miguel would act if put in a situation like that. The issue is that this is the most popular iteration of Miguel, so a lot of people now see him as a corrupt time cop.

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

The thing that sucks is that in the comics Miguel is basically a vigilante who fights against the corrupt, authoritarian powers that have a stranglehold over the city, and now he IS the corrupt authoritarian power. God damnit, the more I think about this move the more it pisses me off.

[@BigKeit]

@@nightmarefanatic1819exactly, and no red hair!

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

@@BigKeit That also changes to shades of brown! Just like his eyes change from green, to red to brown and sometimes even blue! No seriously, why did the colorists in the original run have such a hard time with consistency? It also happened to him in Exiles where he spends most of his stint with brown hair, only for the last few issues to depict him with black hair.

[@BigKeit]

@@nightmarefanatic1819 honestly probably just a lack of paying attention to the model sheet, 90s comics had a lot of just kinda do whatever you want lmao

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

@@BigKeit Which would have been a possibility had there not been instances of Miguel's hair being teo different colors in two different panels ON THE SAME PAGE.

[@callumcrane241]

I really hope S.D/E.O.T Spider-Man 2099 will appear in Beyond the Spider-Verse. And knock Movie Spider-Man 2099's block off. Restoring Migel to how the comics use to be. Am I the only one who wants to see that happen?

[@fissilereptile]

I don't think this is going to happen at all in the next Spiderverse film, but I would love to see the antagonistic ATSV Miguel have to face the Miguel from Earth-96943, and try and fail to justify his actions with the Spider Society

[@williamkraus841]

I didn’t care to much that we wasn’t adapted well but now that you say they’re actually changing him in the comics that’s annoying

[@Kek393]

Ever since the movie came out I have been with the opinion that the villain should have been Superior Spider-Man.

[@JTheBeastMcneil]

Anyone else here just to see people talk about how Christopher Daniel Barnes is amazing?

[@kieraneric2549]

Gotta love it when comics change to match the movies🙃

[@gabeowo7165]

Honestly If superior spider-man was in Miguel's place Same personality and all It would fit even better Tell me I'm wrong

[@spidermania]

nah you right fam

[@gabeowo7165]

@spidermania I'm gonna day sorry cause I commented that like 2 mins before u said the same thing lmao At least it provas how much better it'd be

[@triplecrosscounter]

THANK YOU, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS EVER SINCE THE MOVIE GOT ANNOUNCED

[@kettlecorn201]

Not that it means much, but there was another brief adaptation in the Ultimate Spider-Man TV show.

[@srcoeiu6100]

This is very true, i hope his popularity doesn't affect the character going forward Also you sound like Alan from Invincible

[@puffpuffpassmako]

Tbh most adaptations outside the comics hes not portrayed accurately. Only one that truly got it was Edge of Time. Miguel is extremely selfish and goal oriented. Saving people werent on his top priority, it was always his mission first. It took years of character development for him to mellow out and learn his behavior as spiderman was unacceptable. The edge of time scene where miguel refuses to help save mary jane and it results in a major argument with peter is accurate to him the most

[@hawaianmobster1579]

Its even worse with scarlet spider, they made him extremly stereotypical 90s

[@nhatminhpham7137]

You forgot that Ultimate Spider-Man also have a Spider-Man 2099

[@minisquirtle9702]

Having the antagonist of Into Spiderverse be Dock Ock Spidey instead of Miguel is.... makes a lot more sense actually- wow

[@dwightgreene1361]

The problem is that that movie is only a part 1 so maybe all of this will be explored in part 2 I will keep my opinion reserved until the second movie comes out and caps off the story

[@bagginsfrodos]

I honestly think 2099 is addicted to Rapture in spiderverse

[@Imauralz]

How come? The substance he took in atsv wasn’t confirmed to be anything at all, neither in the comics

[@bagginsfrodos]

@koshi000 At the end of ITSV, Miguel looked normal like he does in the comics, now by the time we see him in ATSV he is huge, he has rage issues, please see beating a child because he doesn't like that he's a spider-man even though he was never actually bitten by a spider himself. The random mood swings really seem like a person who is not completely in their right mind but this is all......... JUST A THEORY A FAN THEORY THANKS FOR READING( These are also made for a general audience so they probably won't day anything about him.being addicted to drugs lol)

[@Imauralz]

@@bagginsfrodos “beating a child” is a stretch, and those random mood swings can just be either personality or issues w that, and also what does his build have to do with it? The rapture doesn’t do any physical effects but I respect that you mentioned it just being a theory instead like others outrightly saying that’s a confirmed thing

[@bagginsfrodos]

@Imauralz i mean with creative liberties, the rapture could be like a form of steroid that he thinks he needs to use to save everyone, other than the obvious, they changed his look because they could, I think it could make a interesting plot point that he feels inferior to all other Spider people because he was never bitten, and the animosity towards miles could be jealousy as well, why did he get bit and I had to alter my own DNA why didn't the web of Destiny choose me

[@Imauralz]

@@bagginsfrodos Could be. But the rapture wouldn’t be close to being any kind of steroid since it was strictly for him to keep him leashed on alchemax, not making him believe that he needs to use it to save everyone, which isn’t a thing. Tho Sony did confirm to change his appearance since they wanted to make him a “thirst trap”, doesn’t really add anything on the plot, just for fan service.

[@lex_rodriguez]

The entire movie character assassinated most of it's characters. Genuinely hate the movie.

[@JoJoDude1997]

Dude i can only imagine if Superior Spiderman had the role of Miguel in the Spiderverse Heck im afraid good old bad Otto may not apear in the movies And no, someone whit his costume in the bloody background dosent count

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

Good update though: Peter David is back with Symbiote Spider-Man 2099 which is a direct continuation of the original comics (excluding the last couple of issues that David didn't write) so there's hope for comics Miguel after all! I hope it sells well so Marvel will permanently return the reins to David and we get the continuation he planned.

[@randomgamer625]

10:13 no it doesn’t, it’s blue

[@Jorgevaldezll014]

Can anyone think that the backstory of Spiderverse 2099 where his version was killed and he replaced himself with himself was kinda nothing like the OG spider man 2099