Vostok 2414 Komandirskie Service Part 2 Tired Old Watch Refresh

[@johnhannon]

Thanks for posting this video. I am currently working on one of these watches and your video helped me very much!

[@matt-sm5eu]

These videos really are excellent! So clear and well made. These are going to help me massively and I have a bit more confidence in learning with my Vostok now :)

[@charlesflint9048]

Hi, Thank You for this, as I am just now doing a date wheel change from white to black on a black dial which I prefer. I don’t do this often, and found this useful.

[@spidiq8]

Thanks, glad it's been helpful to you.

[@gleng6812]

Nice work, an idea to make this a brilliant patina watch he case and Bezel back to the brass.

[@wendyglasgow6394]

Love the retention of patina. Curious you didn’t silicone the rubber seals ,most do the case back and crown . Maybe I missed it 🤔 thank you , super job. 👏

[@spidiq8]

I do indeed but typically don't show it. It's thoroughly unexciting watching a case gasket being greased. These don't actually need it on the case back seal as the case back doesn't rotate against it, it's compressed by the ring pressing against the case back which sits on the seal.

[@zbestvalueslabsandrough9828]

Wow cool video thanks for sharing!

[@spidiq8]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.

[@dodgydruid]

I think I will be referencing both your videos a lot, I have one KGB Komandirskie I need to refit the balance to but it has shim plates and finding it difficult to get them in place. I also have two others, one a lovely old CCCP Tankist, the other the exact same submariner as yours but its the older Zakas MO one, these two have slipping mainsprings and plucking the courage up to replace them with a harvested one from one of many scrap 2414's I have accrued. I have a fair few Soviet and Russian watch videos on my channel as I am an avid collector of them ol' Russkie watches hehe (just upped a video showing my transplanted KVPO Amphibia innards from its octagonal to a 060 case with new crystal, repainted bezel and a nice polish, it looks mint imho and very pleased)

[@dodgydruid]

I see in many "how to's" on replacing mainspring, people say just lift up and finagle out the barrel and I am wondering why not just lift the whole bridge off, do you know why this is?

[@spidiq8]

@@dodgydruid I'm not exactly sure what you mean there, could you elaborate a bit please? The bridge and barrel both should be removed to remove and replace the mainspring. Be sure to measure the slipping mainspring. They are different in design and often length to standard springs.

[@ActiveAtom]

Nice to see this movement we watched very closely listening to you from the Part 1 during the disassembly process as she is going back together. maybe for your camera you can mount a swivel shaft like even telescoping arm to the wall near the windows edge or a direct drop from the ceiling even as some thoughts that then has a camera bracket (after market buy) attached and that holds the camera, so you can affix it looking straight down a home made style wall mounted job is just some camera thoughts. Owned by a machinist YES that would be a good sharing thought that has these two thinking historic thoughts now. Lance & Patrick.

[@spidiq8]

That would be good, I do need to try and improve angles and straight face down would be the best.

[@Colin399]

Fascinating, would love to be able to do this.

[@spidiq8]

Thank you, there's no reason you couldn't. Pretty much anyone can learn, the key ingredient is patience.

[@Colin399]

How’s about an RC version?

[@spidiq8]

@@Colin399 An RC version? I'm not sure what you mean.

[@5spdeconobox]

Just learning to service and got done with this movement. Only issue I am having is reinstalling the stem after movement is back in the case. I depress the button with my tweezers and try to rotate the stem back in, but it almost seems that the crown hits flush with the tube on the case and I can’t get the stem to click back in place. Of note, I did remove the stem while in the time setting position, so not sure what the issue is. Any help is much appreciated.

[@spidiq8]

You aren't alone in this. These stems are an utter pig to refit because of the clutch on the stem which disengages when you apply pressure so turning the crown won't actually turn the stem. If you turn the stem with tweezers whilst applying pressure you can someone get it to align, once in place pressing the setting lever release should let it seat. You might need to apply pressure with tweezers directly to the stem.

[@5spdeconobox]

spidiq8 wow thank you! So helpful. Happy holidays and I love your videos!

[@spidiq8]

@@5spdeconobox Thank you, good luck with the watch and happy holidays to you too.

[@gabrielcornea9119]

so no oiling?

[@spidiq8]

Yes, but I didn't show it in this video, when I was initially filming these I was using an older camcorder and battery life was a concern, I was also trying to balance what people wanted to see and video length. I tend to show oiling in most videos now but typically don't go into detail unless requested.

[@shilka5637]

how much would you charge to get one of these repaired? im looking to see what to expect from local watchmakers.

[@spidiq8]

It would depend entirely on the watchmaker, the parts they stock, the actual problem with yours etc. I can almost guarantee it would be more than buying a new Vostok because there's considerable work involved in stripping, checking, adjusting, cleaning, rebuilding and oiling a movement (if don't properly)

[@m_bagger]

very nice job

[@spidiq8]

Thanks again.

[@hypernova3527]

Really interesting videos, I enjoyed every second of them. Would you consider these watches easy enough to be used as learning tools? I'm considering watchmaking as a hobby and I don't want to spend too much money on a hobby that may end up not being for me. I was thinking of buying an old but working komandirskie (I'm not putting my hands on my actual komandirskie) and some basic tooling.

[@spidiq8]

Absolutely yes, I wouldn't say they're the best to begin learning on, some of the bridges can be a bear to refit on the tight locating lugs and pivots can be broken as a result. The chinese ST36 is a great starter movement, large, based on the ETA 6497 and nice to work on.

[@hypernova3527]

@@spidiq8 Yes, i already got my hands on one. I still bought an old komandirskie for a restoration and modding project I have in mind (and half completed)

[@ufkynl1020]

Hi When u recover date wheel you dont replace the date spring. It iş what i wait for :) What is the right position of hammer and spring?

[@spidiq8]

Apologies I don't show that. I'll be working on another at some point hopefully soon and will show the complete assembly.

[@alfreducu1]

These great vids are exactly what I needed, thanks for sharing! May I ask where can I get those watchmaker cases? They look very well thought out. TIA

[@spidiq8]

The red parts trays?

[@lucypiplucy]

These videos are great. Lovely shot of the side of your face.

[@spidiq8]

Why thank you, hopefully was my good side, i've since gotten a better camera setup and angle. it's very difficult to film something this close without sometimes obscuring the camera.

[@paulmugleston4283]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I'm plucking up courage to do this on an old Komandirskie I've just bought. I assume you clean with an ultra sonic bath. What fluid do you use? There's no mention at all about lubrication. This is necessary when rebuilding, isn't it? What sort of lube & where would be very useful.

[@spidiq8]

Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it. I plan to do a more detailed video on a Vostok movement. For cleaning I use an old. (Older than me), watch cleaning machine by Lanzetter, (you can see this on a fairly recent video if you check back or have a look at my watches playlist), however an ultrasonic will do, I'm not a fan for watch parts personally as I'm on the fence about the vibrations being good for certain components but plenty of folk do use one. Cleaners can be had from supply houses like cousins but if you're starting out Naptha for degreaser and IPA for rinse will do. Essence of Renata is good for balances, (Don't soak pallet fork and balance in IPA for long as it can dissolve shellac. Lubrication is necessary and at a bare minimum you'll need one oil and one grease. Cousins do a wide variety and they're not cheap but oils developed for watches are designed to not spread. Don't be tempted to try using something like 3 in 1 as that will spread and cause problems in a short time. Moebius 9010 for oil andHP1300 or D5 are a good start, you'll need a set of oilers and an oil pot with at least 2 wells, don't use straight from the bottle as you can contaminate. Oiling is something of an art and even now after many years I can over oil occasionally and only practise will get this. Points to oil are all pivot wells EXCEPT pallet fork pivots and grease for high torque low speed areas, balance pivots, winding work etc. I recommend that you try and pick up a couple of old movements from car boots eBay etc to practise stripping and assembling on even if they're non runners as it's better to damage something on a scrap movement than one you want to wear. Vostok can be quite tricky to align the train bridge on so getting a feel beforehand is a helpful thing.

[@dodgydruid]

@@spidiq8 I have wondered about that on the pallet fork jewels and the embedded jewels whether an ultrasonic could unseat as the pallet stones are only held in with shellac it seems which on some of these watches could be positively ancient.

[@spidiq8]

@@dodgydruid Vostok pallets are often not well seated to begin with so I'd personally be especially wary of using an ultrasonic on them.

[@shaneworden1325]

@@spidiq8 great! Now after reading this I'm totally scared to try it. 😄

[@spidiq8]

@@shaneworden1325 Sorry about that. It's just my experience with them. They're not the best at securing pallet stones but shellac ing is a useful skill so you can take the opportunity to try it. Alternatively you can often find really cheap movements on eBay which are good for spares.

[@evgman]

Я думал российские часы только в России покупают) What country are you from?

[@spidiq8]

UK, I'm in Scotland.

[@shaneworden1325]

Great videos. If only that old watch could talk..........it would probably be in Russian anyway so i still wouldn't understand. 😅

[@spidiq8]

😂

[@Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968]

I was looking for an informative and detailed video showing ever aspect of disassembly and reassembly of this movement. Really, do you think that a novice with this movement could learn anything remotely useful from your two videos on this subject. ? You have edited out bits of the process and rebuild the damned movement in fast motion. !!! Are we expected to see through your hands and what looks like the back of your head? As an education tool, these vids are less than useless. Too much time spent droning on about how clean the bezel and case are now...

[@spidiq8]

Sorry that it wasn't suitable for you. I've been working on my video setup for watch work as you'll see if you check out some of the newer videos. The camera and tripod used in this one and the early videos cannot be positioned ideally. These videos were really about refreshing a tatty old Komandirskie rather than specifically the movement but I can, at a later date do a new video on this movement. They are all similar enough that one will serve as a good guideline for others. Please remember also that these videos are my time given freely to film and edit and upload and filming a strip and reassembly of a watch movement essentially doubles the length of time typically taken as you're trying to keep things in the frame of the camera where often you'd work very close with a loupe.