SPIES OF THE CUSTODES! DID THE IMPERIAL FISTS DESERVE MORE TRUST?

[@EmmettF.W.]

Hats off to the the Celestial Lions 🦁

[@DaniMol]

And heads off 🤣

[@Alex-tn7pv]

​@@DaniMol LOL! Poor bastards.

[@thecommentguy9380]

They deserve trust, yes, but do not forget the Phalanx is stationed directly on Terra's orbit. The custodes isn't risking anything since the Heresy, combined with the fact that it participated the battle of Cadia so we can't rule out the possibility that some traitors might have snuck on the vessel. Lastly is the fact it's a fucking floating hive-city from the Dark Age and a powerful war vessel, it's no surprise that the custodes felt the need to plant spies on it in case anything go wrong.

[@sparklestonebro]

Exactly, Cadia showed what a single ship of such scale can do regardless of planetary efforts. It isn't even necessarily a question of doubting them or considering that they might become heretical, if something goes on aboard, given the vessels proximity to Earth, they can't afford any risk. Even typical imperial stuff like the Fist trying to handle an issue themselves, the Custodians need to know.

[@thecommentguy9380]

@@sparklestonebro imagine just having some traitors taking over the pilot then just have it full thruster down on terra, pulling another Black Stone meteor on the most important world in the Imperium. No one in their right mind is going to risk letting that possibility exist, at least not the custodes

[@jonharrison9222]

So…why give them the tech to restore it…? And remember Phalanx’s position isn’t fixed. It has a patrol route and doesn’t hang over Terra like Death Star II over Endor.

[@thecommentguy9380]

@@jonharrison9222 simple, it's still under imperial control and it's a powerful asset, only problem is that the custodes cannot risk it falling under enemy control and the spies are there to ensure they can react in time

[@Subject_Keter]

@@jonharrison9222 Maybe to put a ultra dead man switch like a Vortex Warhead? Something that can render it unable to hurt anything incase.

[@greatamazinga]

The Custodes learned a lot from the First Primarch found: Alpharius!

[@oatlord]

After recent revelations, I think the custodes need to watch themselves as much as they rewatch others.

[@beardfistthegoldenone7273]

I know what you mean, but it's doubtful chaos would be able to replicate that feat without bringing Terra close to the warp again.

[@Subject_Keter]

@@beardfistthegoldenone7273 Still it the notation, that even the ones forged by Big E CAN fall. Aka the "I am going to weaponize Gman diary!"

[@vontheunknown7982]

After everything the imperial fists have gone through and done for the emperor, I think they deserve more trust, but what do you guys think?

[@jamesbaudanza1104]

I feel all the loyalist space marines should be put under a microscope just to make sure they stay loyal. The Chaplin's make sure they stay loyal and motivated anyways so why not have a few custodes spies to keep loyalty

[@namenull7399]

To an extent, in 40k, it makes sense to have spies even within organizations you "Trust". Elements like Tzeentch and the Alpha legion basically force you to have a healthy distrust of all organizations. The Lamenters are loyal and they ended up fighting with some traitors but when they realized this they course corrected and went on penance crusades and stuff. The issue I see is how Custodies respond to threats like this. In my mind if a custody had been with the lamenters he would have killed them all, even though they are 100% loyal and only made a mistake because of lack of critical information. I could be wrong about how they handle the situation but that's how I view custodies. It doesn't matter you didn't know you betrayed the Emperor, it doesn't matter you think you where fighting for the Emperor and all the data you have tells you the enemy are traitors, it doesn't matter that you realized you where wrong and tried to submit yourself for penance. You fought against the Emperor and now you die. I could be wrong but that's how I perceive the custodies acting.

[@thundercrash4775]

I think that there are very few, if any Chapters who could be more damaging if they turned traitor now than the Fists. Is it likely? No, and the Custodes are aware of that. But that's also their point: that's not the same as being impossible. Remember where Dorn's title comes from: the Roman Praetorian Guard, responsible for protecting the Emperor, and infamous for deciding who WAS Emperor.

[@Subject_Keter]

If it has a soul, it a thot

[@wanderhillen2435]

No they deserve the amount of trust they get. The golden banana boys already gave them enough tech to repair the Phalanx, which arguably is now a big enough warship to pose at least a little threat to Terra itself. They mostly are very loyal, but not above the suspicion of the Custodes. Nobody is, except themselves and the Big E.

[@Ghostwolf82]

12:52. These questions make me wonder how much the Custodes know about The Fallen… and Luther.

[@Subject_Keter]

According to new lore, even them Golden Bois cant trust themselves.

[@kquinn2282]

I have no doubt the Custodes tried this with the Raven Guard and I suspect they were caught. Lets not forget that Corax was given access to something arguably more dangerous than the stores of the tombs in the secrets and technology of the Primarch project which would suggest to anyone that the Emperor trusted Corax not to turn - I could see the Guard and Custodes having a fun if strained relationship

[@ryano7340]

The custodians know that anybody (other then them) can turn. It does not matter how loyal you are now chaos is insidious there is always a chance in the future and Ally may become an enemy. The Emperor’s chosen son turned against him it could happen again and they will be ready this time. The custodians of the great crusade are completely different to the custodians of 40k. They failed because they trusted that a son couldn’t turn and now the emperor is a living corpse.

[@Subject_Keter]

New lore: Hahahaha! Not once my PRIMARIS Horus is in range!

[@sawyeratkinson]

Bro they turned on the vengeful spirit in the latest book so that lore that they can't be corrupted (or at the very least mind controlled) is outdated

[@jonharrison9222]

The Custodes couldn’t be tempted. Chaos simply took over their bodies.

[@alek7998]

@@sawyeratkinson It felt a lot like their bodies being controlled like puppets rather than them falling. During the most corrupt event since Lorgar [the time Khorne himself stood up from his throne], the Custodes just shrugged it without much worry.

[@Subject_Keter]

@@alek7998 as they say "Just as Planned!" Or who knows, Abaddon toothpick may get out and show them how to really puppet someone. Tbh considering some warp farts want to weaponize Imperius Secundis .. why dont they weaponize they were able to dominate them golden bois? If Gman setting up a Empire where he eventually gathered enough forces to push through the Warp Storms so Sangingous can fly in can be SOOOO deadly... Now imagine showing that even thw best of humanity cant survive being in a solar system radius of Khrone left pinky.

[@melvixen1943]

Well the Emperor had the ability to appear as a Regular Human - something like that, and a fake mustache, could be useful for the Custodes as well.

[@shotgunsandsmoke]

The Emperor probably has some Groucho Marx glasses handy whenever the Custodes need to infiltrate or need spies anywhere else

[@jamescawl6904]

The custodes regularly use displacer fields to disguise themselves on their blood games. I think all "retired" custodes are issued with displacer fields in order to blend in with the general population.

[@celsetialarchives5909]

I bet the Mechanicus are interested in whatever fixed the phalanx Ive seen people speculate they have a uncorrupted full on intact stc What a fun reveal that would be

[@melvixen1943]

I could see Custodes, surveiling, or even orchestrating the actions of certain Renegad and Chaosfactions. And as for the "Lost" primarch in the cells ... could be Omegon, hes atleast somewhat familiar with spying and subterfuge.

[@jonharrison9222]

He’s dead.

[@Ghostpanzer]

I understand why the stodes have a network of spies , but maybe it’s to combat the alpha legion o.O Would love like a shadow war book , about a custode spy vs a alpha legion member onboard a ship , with the whole book being one trying to trap the other . While the whole crew is trying to kill both of em

[@peterbereczki4147]

Yo Rho! Yes the Costudes can blend in soceity! There is a shit ton of gene mutants in the imperium/galaxy as big as astartes/costudes. The novel that first talks about the Blood Games state this, I don't remember which book is it in.

[@scelestus2717]

Yeah I agree blending in might not be all that hard given some of their training methods... They try to sneak back in to the Golden Palace iirc... And i can really see an ex-custodes setting up in deep cover, being the "head" of a regional network or something...

[@DaniMol]

Quick correction. Horus did not spend 50 years by the Emperor's side, he spent 30 years.

[@lukasbohnenkamper4954]

I'm curious to see what this means for the Unforgiven, although a chapter serve isn't likely to uncover anything. I also want to see the fake moustache unveiling of a certain Captain General now: "Haha, it was me all along, Inquisitor!"

[@GenSphinx]

I mean, more than half the legions turned traitor. From the Dark Angels to the Alpha Legion so many traitors I don't blame the Custodian guard for keeping an eye on the loyalists.

[@Subject_Keter]

I feel like them golden bois should keep more of a focus on the Inquistion, those guys love tripping into the choas pool. Keep a eye on everyone but focus on the giant unpruned attack bush that is the Inquisition over the potted plant of Chapters that have like 3 safeguards to limit them.

[@GenSphinx]

@@Subject_Keter oh I'm pretty sure they got an eye on everything

[@jonharrison9222]

Custodes turn on the Emperor in the latest SoT book.

[@ThePlayplay64]

I think the issue with the custodes is they see it as, " you side with your brothers as you always do." They have seen it too many times now not to be suspicious of all of them. I think they even question the loyalties of Dorn and the others. To them, they're all the same at the end of the day.

[@jonharrison9222]

Which doesn’t bode well for their mental stability.

[@lincolnosiris3665]

Well the Fists of back in the day are not the Fists of today and vice versa. Better to keep an eye on them XD

[@connorchenery977]

I mean the largest fortress ship in the galaxy just had a massive warp incursion. It would be kinda dumb not to keep an eye out for signs of taint. If they didn't and the phalanx fell we would all be pointing out how dumb that is.

[@damienruzco]

Thank you for emphasizing Horus was the first found son, I was a little confused by some misinformation

[@AnimeRonin]

I think it'd be safe to say the Space Wolves are safe from any actual Custodes showing up as infiltrators. They'd have to get one of the chapter serfs to turn and, frankly, I don't see that happening, but if it did... accidents DO happen on Fenris.

[@Yandarval]

For the vast amount of former Custodes. They probably play the part of spy master. not directly doing it themselves.

[@clementbianchini8651]

Dorn's lineage already produced traitors, during the War of the Beast the Exemplar Fist joined with an Iron Warrior war band

[@terminallove3531]

I seem to recall that they also had the miniscule problem,an atom really,of Orks. But Orks are quite harmless creatures, not worthy of the SM attention,a child could very easily kill them.

[@clementbianchini8651]

@@terminallove3531 I like the Imperial Fist and am a pro loyalist just pointing out that it did happen and moreover to a second founding chapter just a little more than a thousand year after the Heresy

[@Wolfenacht]

Personally, when I think of the one chapter that isn't corruptible , I think of the Grey Knights. :P With all those warding fucking items inside their skin, I think it would be physically painful to turn to the demon side. Lol

[@Irishman1861]

Makes me think about what is Valdors Contigency to whipe out all primarchs and astartes

[@MWH12085]

Unless ordered by The Emperor.....no. The Custodies don't act on their own. Otherwise, the Imperium wouldn't be in the state it's currently in.

[@thecommentguy9380]

heard the terminus decree is the instruction to set loose the geneseed virus hidden in the dark cells, once activated it will eradicate every last astartes in the galaxy

[@Irishman1861]

@@MWH12085 I wont spoil but Read the end and the death malchador confirms Valdor has a contigeny he is working on to whipe out all of them.

[@jonharrison9222]

A specially coded virus made by a master geneticist held on Terra during the siege. It wipes out all Astartes geneseed, killing every marine and ensuring no more can be made.

[@diegogisbertllorens7416]

In terms of loyalty and in general, what do the Custodes think of the Grey Knights? What is the status quo between the Emperor's Custodes and those carrying His very own geneseed?

[@jonharrison9222]

Do they…?

[@Chadicus-Guardsmanicus]

In 'Watchers of the Throne' the Custodian, Valerian, states that Custodians had always regarded the Grey Knights with suspicion and they had always had strained relations. More specifically: Custodians view the GK with the same contempt they do all Astartes: flawed, corruptible and less skilled (especially since a lot of their founding members were from traitor legions). However they understand the necessity of the GK in the Imperium

[@christopheraaron1255]

Alpharius was the first found my dude.

[@Miron_Marnic]

Probably the other Imperial Fists succesors. Like, I cannot imagine a Black Templar turning traitor.

[@GentlemanBystander]

Depends on what your metric is. For the Custodes, the Emperor is the Imperium, and I frankly wouldn't be surprised if, given the choice, they'd sacrifice a few hundred billion to bring him back. Conversely, most astartes view the Imperium as the Imperium with the Emperor as the (possibly a god) patron of the Imperium.

[@allenjackson8632]

I'd have thought their sheer size would prevent any Custodes from being able to blend into any society, as they're described as being between a Primarch and a Categis in proportion.

[@DD8842]

I'd say all the named first founding chapters at least. As for the fleet based guys way the heck out there who knows.

[@cody1570]

The real question is what the hell happened to tor garadon being the chapter master of the imperial fists and i still feel theyre doing lysander dirty. Hardly talked about nor brought up in general and yet hes one of the oldest marines aside from dante "alive" in the emperium.

[@skeyedrake5929]

All I'm saying is that the Astral Claws came to the aid of the Lamentors and gained their trust

[@MrMaxenen11]

Could you make a playlist of all videos where Malcador is present? Love that guy.

[@trajanfidelis]

Yes the Imperial Fists deserve more trust.

[@mattfox2716]

The custodies didn’t trust the imperial fist to operate in the web way……but were willing to trust a faction from mars…..mental gymnastics worth of their combat agility

[@lordllewellynofdarkdelight2613]

Thanks for the spoiler warning. I'll check out your other stuff!

[@andrewwatts2443]

It's not about trust or loyalty but about threat. The station is a POSSIBLE threat. The Custodes consider a 0.01% or 1 in 100 billion chance of a threat as a threat they need to be prepared for. It's why they run the trials. Having agents everywhere increases their information, assessment and response to any and all threats. Thats it.

[@ordo_draigo_assault_ham]

If I were a demi-god of war, I would be annoyed if the Custodies weren’t spying on me and mine. Their responsibility trumps everyone else.

[@Yandarval]

It was a pragmatic move. Phalanx defends Terra. Without the Phalanx in fighting trim. Terra is more vulnerable.

[@Darksky1001able]

I like the fists... but i miss my beloved Lamenters.

[@andrewgalea5012]

Another reason why the dark angels have servitors only, no serfs.

[@yuvalgabay1023]

The funny thing is the horus heresy is mainly dorn vs perti because thous 2 hard carry each side

[@tankster99]

They definitely have one among the white scars

[@revenanmorningstar2817]

Why not help repare Phalanx if you can with it give there bomb?

[@Dadecorban]

When we gonna talk about the naughty banana boys in the spoiler book?

[@lostagain7292]

Alpharius was the first found Primarch.

[@phillipjmead]

Space Wolves and Dark Angels. Those were the two brothers the emperor never questioned on loyalty. Primarchs, not chapters.

[@sircashew1097]

To be fair, the Custodies do have a point to their distrust of the Astartes. However, counter point, only half of them turned traitor with the other half doing far more than the custodies to fight them, partly because of their numbers but also because they had been betrayed more than the custodies had. For all the high horsing the custodies do, how much better were they honestly? Sure they didn’t turn traitor, but they failed to protect the palace. They failed to protect their emperor and, as a result not only was the emperor mortally wounded, but Sanguinius, a loyal primarch, died while doing FAR more to protect the Emperor then they did. After that then what happened? They spent 10,000 years doing nothing but sit behind their walls playing at toy soldiers while the Astartes, ESPECIALLY the original founding chapters did everything in their power to protect and preserve everything that was left. In the end, who proved to be more loyal? The 10,000 or the Imperial Fists 🤔

[@Subject_Keter]

It seems like that thing where One side is better at X (literally so in this case) and they cant let anyone seem better then them. Also the whole crap with Goge should of been handled like a couple of them Golden Bois, guy got way out of line and none of them battex a eye?

[@Teyl1]

Trust, but verify and supervise.

[@sirloin869]

samus possessed the phalanax before, it can do it again,matey, actually...

[@wanderhillen2435]

Imagine Vashtorr possessing the Phalanx. That would be something.

[@jonharrison9222]

Don’t they have spies in scores of SM chapters and not just the IF…?

[@Dontreallycare5]

An institution should never be trusted without oversight and checks in place. Who the Imperial Fists are is not a static population, but a culture with a constantly fluctuating population of individuals. Assuming any singular person will always uphold their predecessors’ good honor is a nonsensical proposition.

[@gamedude412]

No space marine deserves the trust for half their stock fell. Broke the trust of the emperor. The shall all be judged by those fallen.

[@neurotraveller]

Was one Horus’ goals to spring the imprisoned lost primarch?

[@Subject_Keter]

Dorn considered the Lost Primarchs so dangerous or crap that they would of lost before Horus even got into Terra so it can be eitherway. It would be a nice distraction but probably not the main goal.

[@Josh-ye9ol]

The emperors sons are corruptable, better to watch them then let up your guard.

[@aaronboyd1388]

Its weird to me that people keep saying custodes cant hide in a universe where imperial assassins and alpha legion regularly and long term change their shape and personality/memorys for the purpose of infiltration.

[@TDBoedy]

somebody swallowed their mic

[@DraggothYT]

Well, the Black Templars are successors of the Imperial Fist and they're kinda sketchy, they're the living proof of how things can get out of hand even for the most loyal

[@scottphillips8607]

They are the most fanatically loyal faction in the Imperium though. Dorn was the truest believer in the Emperor of all primarchs, it makes sense that his most extreme sons share his most extreme traits.

[@arionofotherworld]

What bothers me about the Custodes is that they are sitting on useful, possibly vital technology and not sharing it except when they deem it.

[@jamescawl6904]

The Emperor put it in the dark cells for a reason. Maybe too much use could lead to another A.I. uprising now infused with daemon bs.

[@puglife5966]

I'm not a huge custodes fan, but would you trust any of the chapters I sure wouldn't.

[@mikeburkett5417]

Once again here is the trope of the emperor giving cause for offense to his sons.... it appears to be a tradition at this point. Its almost like a test "well if you love me so much, than you wont mind me doing this".... I think it would be interesting if they revealed that this somehow was disloyalty on the custodes part in a true 40k horror twist.

[@TheSpicyLeg]

People think this because they A) view the Emperor’s acts from a perspective of a modern human being and B) forget what the Emperor’s goals actually are, and what they require from him. Obviously, if the Emperor were a real person and lived in our reality, we’d call him a genocidal maniac and inhuman. But he doesn’t. In his reality, the nature of the universe is painfully obvious. It’s the grim dark not because of humanity. It always was the grim dark. Humanity in this universe didn’t create war, death, and suffering, it was already alive and well long before humanity reached the stars. Secondly, the Emperor does want humanity to flourish. He correctly recognized peace and prosperity can NOT exist while Chaos does. It’s sort of like trying to build a skyscraper on a plot of land that still has a building on it, which is on fire and full of rocket fuel. The skyscraper can never be erected without clearing away the obstruction first. I’ve said many times, you can criticize the Emperor’s means, but not his intentions. The threat of Chaos is so great that sacrifices must be made, and many people get incredibly unfair fates. In other words, what is offending any Primarch compared to the salvation of humanity? If the Emperor could destroy Chaos, but require him to throw all the Primarchs on a void ship to be sent into a black hole, would that be an acceptable trade off? Most people would agree that it is. Of course, it isn’t nearly so simple or easy as that. Imo, the Emperor’s actions should always be viewed through the lens of destroying Chaos and other threats so that humanity survives and thrives. If he refers to a Primarch as his son, and spends time with him, it’s because there is an advantage against Chaos to do so. Similarly, he would send a son to death or torture if that was an advantage. That’s what the Emperor is in a nut shell. There’s evidence that the Emperor dislikes the sacrifices required - especially humans that make such sacrifices. The Emperor is shown to display sadness and regret when he possesses a young girl, knowing her life is over.

[@faultydiscord8832]

I think your completely wrong. I think it boils down to no other chapter needed this kind of help. And the custodes were also in two minds whether to take the phalanx for themselves. Also I don’t know if ur just not as big a fan boy or you just think custodes overlook the space wolves but the custodes are not stupid and probably trust the wolves above all the others see how the wolves stand up to the eclisiarchy and serve the emporer and his people (and Russ) and no one else.

[@Baamthe25th]

Trust but verify

[@V.B.Squire]

It was just a Blood Game

[@ricksheard1093]

Fists, UltraSmurfs, Blood Angels will have been infiltrated, Don't think Dark angels or Space Wolves because of the secrets of the Angels and the uniqueness of the Wolves

[@irrelevant5820]

oh I'm sure the custodes know. They just don't care about it or are just monitoring the situation.

[@wanderhillen2435]

@@irrelevant5820 Yea I think the Custodes are not as worried about those things as many Astartes tend to think. As long as the Fallen stay away from Terra they have nothing to fear from the Golden Bois. As for the flaws in the Wolves and the Blood Angels, it's pretty clear the Emperor put them there himself so it's not for the Custodes to second guess that.

[@irrelevant5820]

@@wanderhillen2435 yeah and its not like either of them have gone haywire. The wolves and the unforgiven still do their job as Loyalists. On an offnote, Ever wonder what the Lion will think of his legion? about their antics such as killing anyone that comes to know about the fallen. Afterall The lion is a very straight no nonsense person aside from his terrible communications skill. But hey I guess thats expected when you grow up isolated without talking to anyone and just hunting Demons.

[@mcpanzer4637]

seventh?

[@Vaille32]

The Imperial Fists: the most popular Losers in 40k.

[@pat0652]

I reckon' It's pretty easy to justify just from a counter-espionage perspective ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

[@professorsponge1554]

The very fact that the custodes butchered the Thunder Warriors, who were loyal to their core, on the emperor's orders says exactly what you need to know. never trust the custodes.

[@leroidespinguins]

Maybe you are thinking of stuff that got retcon'd. TWarriors were corrupted by chaos, and were part of a coup to topple the emperor/keep as a figurehead by the first high lords. (source : Valdor : birth of an empire)

[@thecommentguy9380]

@@leroidespinguins They werent corrupted by chaos, their geneseed were too unstable for long term use so at some point Big E stopped making them then killed the rest on Ararat. Worse is that when the custodes were surrounding them, they thought the custodes and the Emperor were joining them to celebrate the moment, before they started firing The coup was led by the TW primarch Ushotan, but not to get their vengeance because they know they would stand no chance to step to the front gate of the palace, they wanted their warrior's death Despite everything, some of them went out of hiding during the siege of terra to serve the Emperor one last time

[@professorsponge1554]

@@leroidespinguins Which, much like 'the emperor never loved his sons, even horus' plotline, I don't like. Another interpretation was that the thunder warriors were HYPER aggressive toward anything with the taint of chaos, meaning they were a little too good at what the emperor made them for. IE they'd attack normal people who were just a little too psychicly sensitive to the warp, but it just looked like random bursts of rage to the average onlooker.

[@mikemoore2791]

Yes, yes. But they DID NOT ALL TURN And to paint them all the same is wrong. And to say that Horus was the best is so incorrwct it borders on heretical clearly, he was not. He allowed the lodges, and lo, thats where the rot was.

[@PeteScete]

Yes the most loyal they never had to be recreated after the raimianing fell to chaos .... not at alk

[@Burn_pits]

LIES…… the custodes betrayed the emperor and tried to kill him on the vengeful spirit. Siege of terra book 8, the teleport strike to vengeful spirit deck 8. The custodians turn on the emperor because of horus immense warp sorcery

[@timothylyons5686]

They didn't stand on the walls, they hid behind them.

[@aczeartk7032]

Heresy

[@timothylyons5686]

@@aczeartk7032 Trazyn was there he saw, he knows, that's why he captured Dorn and the Black Legion cultists just before they killed him and has the scene in his museum.

[@M_R_243]

Horus was the 2nd primarch found. Alpharius was the first.

[@matthewgibbs6886]

no astartes deserves trust they are all flawed and the custodes know it.

[@domenikschmitz334]

They are ALL flawed.

[@John-dp3lo]

Recent writing of the Custodies has made them emo nut jobs, killing loyal servants because of their mental instability resulting from their own failings. I do not much like them anymore. Guilliman should put a crack down on certain commanders that have gone too far.

[@wanderhillen2435]

Guilliman can try but it would be a rough time for all involved I think. Roboute can barely contain the excesses of the Ecclesiarchy, and that is made up out of regular humans. It was implied in multiple novels that a squad of custodians can match any primarch, and that would be without pulling out all the stops and opening the Black Vaults underneath the Imperial palace. Even the Regent of the Imperium does not have infinite power, especially over the Custodes. They only listen to the Big E after all.

[@John-dp3lo]

@@wanderhillen2435 With every confrontation with out of control Custodies he would become even more prepared. Within a fight or two they would have little chance against him. But I don't think it would come to that. I didn't say wipe out the 10,000 but to reign in and punish those who needlessly kill loyalists.

[@vladline1882]

Custodes have wise intent so that if one chapter turns traitor, It will know the the chapter is finished. Custodes was even there when Thunder Warriors became obsolete

[@heathmcrigsby]

Horus: First Found*

[@Da5hau]

I would still see the Space Wolves as the least likely to be infiltrated, due to Fenris. The Primaris Chapters might be a way in.

[@wanderhillen2435]

Is there any specific reason the Custodes couldn't plant/recruit some especially nice specimen in the native tribes? IIRC it's not really the Astartes themselves who are recruited but more the chapter serfs and the like. It doesn't seem impossible for a few infiltrators to get in.

[@Da5hau]

@@wanderhillen2435 Yes that could be an option, but it would not be a Custodies from this group.

[@Sully3000]

so you're gonna ignore alpharius being the first found?

[@SirBlade666]

I'd so like to see a Custodes and a Grey Knight getting corrupted by Chaos someday, just to remove that air of superiority that makes them so boring.

[@akirby2886]

Hope not, 😊

[@rexosaur9535]

Technically there was a incident that happened in the siege of terra series but I wont say more as the book just came out

[@jasonchatham4170]

Custodes > Astartes

[@satan292]

First

[@overlycaffeinatedsquirrel779]

Who cares about the Horus Heresy. It doesn't matter. Before we talk about the Horus Heresy, they live in a universe of mind control, shapeshifters, and literal magic. Where simple rituals can change how the laws of nature work. In such a universe it's not about what they deserve. You'd be an idiot not to spy on every chapter.

[@timothylyons5686]

The Emperor and Custodes knew it would be Rogal Khorne so that's why he didn't trust the lmperial chickens.

[@Ally.Cat.252]

Isn’t there only 1 legit imperial fist left? And the other 999 are members from the successor chapters?

[@GentlemanBystander]

Someone doesn't understand how geneseed and inductii work...

[@Ally.Cat.252]

@@GentlemanBystander I do. But didn’t the chapter get wiped out to a man? And he had to get space marines donated to him from other successor chapters to bring the imperial fist back to 1000? I get that they have the same gene seed but since the replacements came from successor chapters it doesn’t feel like the imperial fist chapter are true imperial fists if that makes sense.

[@GentlemanBystander]

@@Ally.Cat.252 That was around 544.M32 though. By M41 all those warriors would have long-since been replaced given standard chapter attrition rates.

[@benhur933]

Custodes did it out of necessity not out of respect.

[@robertflynn4215]

Don't think the dark angels are OK with from outside there circles they have, there just fix their stuff them selfs 🥸

[@satan292]

First