Spine Wack Testing Over 20 Knife Locks Which Ones Will Fail ?

[@kkim5000]

every knifemaker is collectively holding their breath right now.

[@gregkis]

I don't think so

[@jimmycricket7946]

Except for cold steel lol!!

[@chrisjohnson9542]

​@@jimmycricket7946 lol. Cold steel is yelling "hit it harder! My grandma hits harder than that!"

[@anthonyberardi8904]

@@chrisjohnson9542lmao cold steel is like that guy at the gym who lifts things up and puts them down 💪 ain’t nobody gonna mess with them

[@OrdinaryCritic]

Forge Gloyd

[@stroppystuff641]

Thanks for the shout out, very kind! Looks like I need to make some strops out of harder wood for you next time. Maybe some ironwood Micarta 😅

[@merzbow89]

Holt knives are also known for failing the spine whack test very easily. After watching this video I tested my Holt Specter and indeed it failed the spine whack, even when just hitting the spine on my knee. Someone at Blade Show went to the Holt booth after buying a Specter having this issue, but was told "That's normal for us.". And the knives with this issue which he returned were re-sold the same day to other customers. So apparently some companies don't care about their knives failing this test easily.

[@danielclemens4509]

The majority of my folders are frame locks. With my hand over the lockbar, I am 100% confidence in using the knife. I did find the test interesting, thanks.

[@jonathanscott5932]

My question here would be a should it fail? I understand the force of grip will make the lock almost completely fail safe but should the makers be relying on this fact or should the lock work without? A slip joint with a pin relays on pressure a frame lock shouldn’t.

[@scod3908]

Have a look on youtube, there are several videos of frame locks failing. Do not assume, test your knives to see if they are safe.

[@theamericancristero7390]

An impact will defeat your grip. Think of it like a person weaker than you trying to push a knife into you as you ala Hollywood hold their wrist; Then they use their left hand to smack the back of their right hand, and suddenly it starts to break your guard. Hand pressure maintaining a frame lock is not consistent with how grip strength actually works. We're talking about sudden impact, whether the knife slips or you're defending yourself, the tip impacting a hard object is not weight hung like in a cold steel video, it is a sudden impact.

[@brianwhitelaw7483]

Just checked 34 of my knives! I had a failure on a Grimsmo Norseman and a Hinderer Project X. I tightened the pivot on the Grimsmo and cleaned the oil off the lock faces of both with alcohol and now I can’t make them fail.

[@EthanFoster-zq7fo]

I have a feeling almost all failures are from tension on the blade at pivot. And lock adjustment and tension is super important also!

[@FoOkDoOsLe]

I do single whack tests only. I figure if I have an accident in the field, it won't be repeated strikes. I don't record it, I just like to know I can trust the tool I'm using. Great video

[@jimmycricket7946]

Us knife people must all think alike..... this is exactly what I been itching for lately, testing the limits of various knife locking mechanisms from our favorite manufacturers. I can't explain where these urges come from.🤷‍♂️

[@onemanhisdub1969]

Why?

[@jimmycricket7946]

@@onemanhisdub1969 Reliability!!

[@scod3908]

The urge to expect a knife that costs over USD200 to have a lock that actually works? haha

[@dogonmountain6445]

Interesting. I guess it can't be a bad thing if industry focuses more on lock reliability.

[@toddcarr.]

All it takes is to have a knife fail on you once to make you test every knife you have. Happened to me once and it got me bad enough that it changed my view on what a locking knife is supposed to be. It happened during a back strike when i pulled the knife out of a cut quickly and struck the spine of the knife. A touch of sanding with a diamond plate to the lock bar face was enough to correct the problem (only a tiny amount was needed). Afterwards i checked every knife i own to ensure a solid lock up. No reason whatsoever that a knife made today should fail this simple test. Its either a design problem or a manufacturing problem 100% especially after a proper break in period. Thanks for the great vid Jerad and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.

[@brunorojas3992]

Had a sog key knife lockback fail was gutting a zip tie and when i went to remove the blade the zip tie pushed on the spine pretty hard and it closed the knife.

[@mikereese15]

Awesome video and clarifications about why its important, how it works, and about break in periods.

[@chrishinkle5982]

Thanks for sharing bud!👊🏻professional whacking at its finest.

[@theknifeconnection9571]

Also on an impact it creates vibrations that can cause it to bounce past the lock if theres any pivot play that can also be a factory on a impact test, but be a non issue on a prressure test

[@mrsliver45]

....anything less than the Tri-ad Lock is uncivilized 👊

[@jimmycricket7946]

He didn't even bother testing the Triad ....everybody knows it reins supreme.

[@lawrenceragnarok1186]

Too bad it's used on garbage could steel knives

[@jeffd3802]

Could ?​@@lawrenceragnarok1186

[@SixArmedPriest]

​@@lawrenceragnarok1186 there's always 1. What's the matter? Momma didn't give you enough love as a child?

[@lawrenceragnarok1186]

@@SixArmedPriest they're garbage now and have been for a couple years, are you being intentionally dense or do you not own any after they sold to GSM

[@davekat4680]

……throughly enjoyed the vid 🙌🏼 good info as well. Thx and happy new year Jared 🏴‍☠️

[@byronkennedy7912]

This was a great video … not only to say “who” but also the why behind some of these failures vs lock design choices/geometry.

[@strawman817]

Good video! Appreciate the testing. You were honest and not disparaging.

[@robertbarnum7541]

Thanks Jared for GBalling a variety of knives and your discussion. Wow, that Herman is really something.

[@GBall_Vision]

That's hilarious 😂

[@brunorojas3992]

I have a frame lock. Okc shrika. You just gotta simply look at the spine and it ublocks. The liner doesnt slip under the blade. It kisses it so it just doesnt engage. Eventually ill look up how to fix it.

[@scod3908]

That's faulty and dangerous, manufacturer/supplier should replace at no cost under warranty

[@ericblase4873]

My only knives I could get to fail were both Civivi’s, Hypersonic and Voltaic. Both failures easily repeatable but also both newer knives for me so maybe that break in period or cleaning the lock surfaces will fix it.

[@brunorojas3992]

I got the voltaic. Gotta test ot out now.

[@speedy_g_345]

I was glad to see that the Kizer mad tanto did well. I’ve seen talks about it failing. Awesome video. Thanks.

[@piratetobin6968]

Oh man, I was testing my SBD apex just before you tested it. I'm going to chalk it up to the fact that I've been carrying mine for a long time and it's just more broken in that the one you tested. Was also holding my breathe on the Severn bc I got in on the drop. I'm glad you're doing this so I don't have to.

[@nicksknives7777]

I tested mine wacked it pretty gd 10 times. It didn't fail. Idk it prob my favorite knife didn't want it to fail

[@the_bove]

The only knives I've had that have failed spine whack testing are button locks. Never a We/Civivi/Sencut button lock though. Side note - that We Riff Raff is one of my favorites this year. The closing action is so satisfying.

[@clintcrosby6337]

Wow I didn't expect the hinderer to fail. Thanks Jared

[@danielclemens4509]

While I understand the idea of these tests, Just use the knife as intended. With your hand covering the frame lock, I don’t see how it would fail.

[@clintcrosby6337]

@@danielclemens4509 I was just shocked it failed. I still want one.

[@plausible.deaniability]

I stay getting up-and-down/front-to-back lock-rock/blade-play on my knifes... specifically liner locks and button locks. The only lock that has failed on me has been Benchmade's Axis Lock on a G10 bugout when the springs snapped. Also, do all crossbar locks have blade-play/lock-rock?

[@ryanvest7061]

I just checked my vosteed mini nightshade and there is just a hint of lock rock. Nothing that is worrisome imo.

[@jason11286]

Every crossbar lock I've owned (two Bugouts, two 940's, two Deka's) will either have blade play, or tight action. If you want a nice dropping action, you're going to have blade play at lock up. If you don't want blade play during lock up, you're going to have a tighter/not easy-shut action.

[@jason11286]

Side note - just got a Vosteed Mini Nightshade yesterday....zero blade play at lockup and crazy drop shut action. So good for the price

[@jaredsmith4]

I saw this in another video, but supposedly the determining factor that causes a frame lock to fail is the angle of the locking surface on the blade. Not sure it’s that’s true or not.

[@BlueWingedRino]

Great video!!! I have had this happen with a Benchmade when cutting something up in a ceiling and I ended up hitting a sprinkler pipe. Had gloves on so no big deal but I like to test my stuff so it works well in all situations.

[@Cap_FM]

Jared you should do one of these videos every month or so!

[@ryanvest7061]

Damn This would be very interesting as a series. I am cautiously optimistic about the compression lock. Part of me doesn't want to know, but the manix 2 lw passed with its ball lock.

[@spyderg6509]

Maybe the Longer the blade and blade stock thickness the better chance of reverberations to fail. Just a thought 🤔

[@pastubbs]

Oddly enough the only knives I own that I could get to fail were 2 of my Hinderers and my MSI. I still carry them, though, as I've never had an issue with them during normal use.

[@MikeJ602]

That Herman when you whacked it my god those things sound amazing

[@chemistryofquestionablequa6252]

Cut myself badly on the side of my first knuckle on my index finger once breaking a bottle with a knife once. Thanks for testing these!

[@E.L.RipleyAtNostromo]

I did this the other day with all 22 of my ZT’s, and 4 of them ended up failing. As did an MSI and two XM-18’s. And it doesn’t bother me at all. I really think it’s a non issue. There is no scenario I can imagine where if you’re pushing down on the edge and cutting, applying upward pressure to the blade, that the back of the spine is going to be simultaneously struck harder with more downward pressure and close on your hand, especially if you’re holding the lockbar. I don’t know why this has taken on so much traction, with a guy online the other day calling the MSI “crap” because the spine whack closed it. To me, it’s like complaining that if you flip a car over onto its roof that the passenger compartment might get mashed. Ok, sure, but what’s your point? I don’t even bother testing them this way anymore, but thanks for doing it for us! 👍

[@anthonyberardi8904]

Right, like he said in a real-life situation the lock won’t be “shocked” that hard, and if your hand is on the lockbar and under the flipper tab it wouldnt close anyway

[@jason11286]

100% this. I also don't know why this is such a thing now. I've never spine whacked any of my knives because that can't and won't happen while I use them. I've never had any lock fail during any kind of use, be it liner, frame, or button lock. I wish this fad would go away already.

[@P.W.R.]

​@@jason11286 "but its muh lock strength," they say. If you want to bang on your knives like a neanderthal, be my guest. I get the idea behind it, but it just seems dumb since you are NOT supposed to use a knife like that. Impacts are always possible while using a knife and it is up to you to use a cutting tool carefully and responsibly. I will NEVER put myself in a situation where I would cut myself or create an impact. Accidents happen of course, but I am very mindful while using a knife. I don't want an accident so the likelihood of one happening is very, very low. However still possible, but very low. So low that I do not need every knife to have triad levels of lock up just to cut something. People seem to forget that knives need to be treated like loaded guns. Cut away from yourself (barrel pointed down and away from others), don't put downward pressure on the spine (don't look down the barrel), and keep your fingers out of the cutting path (finger off trigger and safety on). Not sure if that analogy works. My brain is weird. I don't want a lock to fail so do not get me wrong. Passing a brute force test is cool I suppose, but in my opinion it feels pointless. Knives don't cut by hitting repeatedly with the dull spine of the blade. Eh, I don't know.🤷‍♂

[@brunorojas3992]

A zip tie closed tight you use the knife to cut but this zip tie is heavy duty so it doesnt cut as you remove the blade for the incision area the spine hits the upper part of the ziptie and thats cause the knife to fail. Happened on a sog keyknife lockback.

[@E.L.RipleyAtNostromo]

@@brunorojas3992 I can’t picture it, sorry. Not doubting your version, but can’t see the back of the blade hitting the upper part of anything. But I slip the blade tip up under zip ties regardless and just lift up popping them off, so, again, all stress is reinforcing the lock anyway.

[@natoblake5990]

Spine whacking a Herman…. Got me singing “I would do anything for love” over here 😂😂

[@NeevesKnives]

😆 🤣

[@wesb123]

@Neeves I love your Sting man, beautiful machine I’m gonna have to get me one.

[@aidenhughes5239]

My kizer begleiter XL lock fails after a gentle tap. I can even make it fail with my hand by slowly pushing on the back of the blade.

[@NeevesKnives]

try stretching the spring out it usually helps

[@MikeJ602]

Mine did the same thing just bad geometry on that model

[@LonestarTaoboy]

Same with mine, plus it has up and down play. Tried all the tricks, stretching spring, cleaning tang, etc.., all to no avail. I have more confidence in a slip lock than this model.

[@aidenhughes5239]

@LonestarTaoboy Yeah, I even got sent a new blade and button with a new spring from kizer. Did stop it for a while but went right back.

[@EtotheFnD]

You need the knight gauntlet like Metal Complex...😂😂😂...STAY CRUSHIN IT BUDDY...👊

[@MikeJ602]

No he doesn’t cuz he grabs the knife like a sane person

[@chemistryofquestionablequa6252]

@@MikeJ602tbf he can’t put as much force behind it this way.

[@MikeJ602]

@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 why? Everyone else does. He’s a big boy he can grab it hard whack it 😂

[@BTLtrips]

THX for the tests.

[@unfi6798]

You're just the BEST....Jaryd .!

[@RandyVampiro]

All I can say is... Go Demko and Snecx! And may they inspire all lock creators and company QCs to be the best they can be. All Hail!

[@scod3908]

Demko/tri-ad locks are excellent and safe, but modern knife reviewers/buyers are prestige fidget toy collectors and not interested in tools that actually work. There's no excuse for a failing lock on an expensive knife.

[@TripleEEDC]

I did the spine whack test in a video I posted yesterday and was whacking the hell out of the Microtech MSI and Amphibian with no issues. Maybe I should try again and post another video?

[@megacab]

I saw your video. I'm not smart enough to say why some fail and others don't. I imagine there's a fix though.

[@scod3908]

@@megacab clean/lubed, worn in vs brand new, density of material being knocked, manufacturing differences, etc Lots of knife makers have also silently fixed this safety issue over the last year as it's become apparent the issue is rife in the industry. I'm not aware of any that have recalled their dangerous products

[@davidmadrid3453]

Thanks for making this video. Before buying a knife I want to have as much information on quality and durability as possible

[@robertbarnum7541]

Yes. I think that is the essential undercurrent in this new (thank you GBall) facet of digging into "quality". These exquisite steels and knife builders raise the bar on all aspects of these creations. It's not criticism to be mean, it's the striving for excellence at all levels of price.

[@partyfrog69]

Thanks for this type of testing, very important and hardly anyone tests their folders in this manner.

[@Marc-Vickers]

I’ve stretched the button spring on my Vosteed Thunderbird but it still fails.

[@megacab]

My thunderbird doesn't fail, but it's the mini version. I don't like the light detent though.

[@Seth45Dn]

I check all mine. Except I hit mine in palm. Just seems to be an even ground. Only have 2 that failed. A WE Beacon and my older TRM Neutron 2. But that's over 2 years old with a ti liner and im at 100% lock up. There's no more to break in. Its just wearing away now. But it stayed solid for a long time. TRM already said theyd replace the liner. But Jerad I too was curious about Medford especially your slim midi. A few times you've expressed concern cuz the frame lock is so thin.

[@PatheticPeasant]

My harsey has lock stick so bad it turns into a fixed blade when you open it. 😂😅 no lock slip is possible when it feels welded to the lock bar when you open it. 😊

[@davidjewell3932]

Yah i adjusted a PM2 into a BAM , strong detent , you think the stop pin is gonna blow up the scales 🤣🤣🤘🤩

[@chyweezy2020]

My MSI is rock solid... 12/2023 mfg. I hope they worked out the bugs by now. It's a great knife!

[@pastubbs]

Mine is 06/2023, and it fails fairly easily.

[@Nick-lm5lz]

My Byrd Cara felt like it was about to give in when cutting cheese. I could feel it in my hand. Ruike faild as I was trying to baton through a piece of wood

[@theknifeconnection9571]

That sencut cant be called the sentinal strike can it? Thats a civivi model. Would they use that name for a sencut model too?

[@jhonis]

oh my. nooo. spine whacks cause vibrations. buttonlocks, frame locks and linerlocks are susceptible to spine whacks because of the vibration loads on the springed locking interface. the vibrations cause them to wiggle which causes them to disengage.

[@ModernSurvivalSense]

What use case does the spine whack represent?

[@NeevesKnives]

Turning with knife in hand and it hitting something, knife getting stuck going through something dense and needing to be pulled out, pressure on the spine of blade, small taps to cut through something like cordage or wood, fighting with the only option you have etc...

[@carbon_root]

My Miguron Ameight Gladiator2 from Amazon is the only knife in my little ol' knife collection that has failed and I have a couple of knives that failed in this video but didnt when I tested them. I guess it's hit n miss on some.

[@ryanvest7061]

Good to see the manix 2 lw pass. No reason for that to fail, but it was reassuring to see the test. This is some fucking good content Jared!

[@everydaybladesinc]

Great video brother!!

[@jeremydoucette6352]

Question about the MSI. Is it possible that the new ones with the narrower lock have had the geometry adjusted to fix the issue. I recently purchased the black bladed FRN model with a born on date of 11/2023.

[@NeevesKnives]

I'm not sure however I've watched about 5 or so fail from light taps, including some stitches, I'm going to see if I can fix mine with the sand paper trick if so I will make a video

[@jeremydoucette6352]

​@@NeevesKnives Were they all the older models with the wider cross bar? I just spine whacked mine with no issue.

[@jaimebalubal7863]

Wow, what's the clip point knife at 16:04

[@ernestcrowell5025]

What knife is at 8:45?

[@wallman117]

I think the newer MSI are less likely to fail as the lock up is a little better

[@notdisclosed]

Way to go, Civivi!

[@kingtaj]

Can someone explain to me why this matters in the least? If a knife fails this spine whack test, what is the real world impact? What usages does it affect?

[@kevinhayes5944]

Was waiting for Vision fg , snecx lock?

[@-tzadakim-7805]

I was physically cringing when you were spine whacking the Herman. I knew how sad you’d be to see it fail, glad it didn’t.

[@mosab643]

0:50 Friction, as we define it, is not a function of time. I think what you are describing is a different phenomenon or a combination of phenomena related to bonds. I don't think those are at play here however. I believe the reason for the lock failing has more to do with the contact between the locking parts being disrupted because of the sudden jolt due to the spine being whacked. At that point the friction changing from static to kinetic might also play a part.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Since you getting all technical, what Jared calls friction is actually friction. I called it a static lockup in one of my vids, but explaining the Young’s modulus of elasticity, More’s machine taper, and bearing pressures due to contact deformation is not only difficult, it would also be boring to 99% of knife users.What you called a jolt and Jared called time to form friction are basically substitutes for the term Impulse. What’s important is that finally one of the biggest knife channels is holding the industry to task and he’s going to get them to listen way before I could with my 4K subs…

[@robertbarnum7541]

@@CuttingBoardRx Would it be fair to say that the spine tap vibration (micro-separations at the lock contact surfaces) plus less than optimal contact (angle, area, machine finish, etc) at the point of lock up is the root cause? Can you simplify your analysis to a layman's understanding? And thanks for chiming in. I love the informative cross-talk in this community.

[@mosab643]

@@CuttingBoardRx Friction (f=kN) is not a function of time, period.

[@zachbenson9548]

What's the model @ 8:19 ?

[@NeevesKnives]

Null Voodoo some are dropping around 3 today I think

[@silvia2408]

Great video, please do more

[@xmk-zc9eb]

This seriously tells the masses of the winning personalities of knife people, all sitting here watching a straight 20+ minutes of someone banging knives off a friggin 1x2 piece of wood, bitting their nails, waiting for something exciting to happen on New Years Eve 😳🤔🥺….I totattly need a girlfriend & am no going to cry myself to sleep in the fetal position.

[@NeevesKnives]

I wouldn't say all that, I'd say it's people that care about there hobby and the things they collect.

[@xmk-zc9eb]

@@NeevesKnives had to poke some fun at this

[@OGBladeReviews]

I totally like your approach, Jarad. It's true that with everything in the universe based on vibrations this is a factor that will enter into any moving mechanical pieces and parts. Cold Steel tests used to put up to 600 lb on the back of a triad lock, but as you say constant pressure differs from a momentary shocking force. In real world use I have yet to see a spine wack factor in to folder use, at least in my daily usage. I'm also noticing that my MSI lock is seating further forward now than 5 months ago, so your wear-in concept may be quite valid. I would also mention that the types of metal used in mating surfaces may also factor in, which is what causes a galling on surfaces like titanium against steel. Final comment: who was doing spine whack testing 20 years ago or 10 years ago or even 5 years ago??? I think it's been thrown out there recently simply to get our attention and clicks, and hardly factors into real world usage, unless the user is using a folder when he should be using a fixed blade. If I'm wrong I'll certainly let you know... 😊

[@scod3908]

Assume you're out in the field, you grab your trusty folding knife from your pocket to cut something in a confined space and the blade get's stuck You pull backwards to get it unstuck, spine knocks something solid Oops, spine got a solid knock, lock fails and you deeply gash all 4 fingers ruining your day as you can't work and have to drive into town to get stitches There's no excuse for a failing lock on an expensive knife. None.

[@nickymamolaable]

Benchmade Adamas and contego fail this test. I’ve tested multiple different ones. Also kershaw blurs.

[@scod3908]

Send them back, dangerous design/manufacturing flaw. The manufacturers need to be held accountable

[@nicksknives7777]

I have the apex so I saw your test. Had to try mine I was nervous. I wacked it pretty gd 10 times no failure. Not sure I hit it pretty hard idk.

[@carsongrable107]

The Herman it even makes cool sounds when you spine wak it😂

[@jimmy_Ross]

dam my SENCUT HONORIS JUST FAILED owell its only 24 dollar knife anyways lol but yeah i had to give it a good wake but it did shut on me and its a liner lock lol owell but yeah all my CJRB held up to hard wacks lol

[@E.L.RipleyAtNostromo]

By the way, at 11:18, the Sencut Sentinel Strike? Please let me know the real name of that model, because the Sentinel Strike is a new CIVIVI model, and I don’t think Sencut makes one of the same name. Cool looking knife! P.S. Just found it on their site, the “Glidestrike!” Sencut is really stepping it up lately. 👏

[@grabbabitewelfed1641]

I believe this lock failure issue can be easily but carefully fixed👍🏻

[@theknifeconnection9571]

Thay elementum is sick. Ima need that

[@timtitus2532]

Making me flinch over and over, hard for me to watch this.

[@mikerollins3088]

Great video Jared! I was a little surprised you didn't try a Spyderco w/ a ball bearing lock and a compression lock, or maybe even a liner lock? I think you did a great job anyway, I was just thinking how popular and common spyderco's are that it might be nice to see also.

[@davidjewell3932]

He knows the compression lock , will not fail from spine wack, lock geometry wont allow it

[@cueball981]

He did test a Manix 2, which uses the ball bearing lock.

[@mikerollins3088]

@@cueball981 I must've missed that one! Thanks!

[@cueball981]

@@mikerollins3088 it's a white one. Was very quick.

[@johnruiz6743]

He did? The Manix 2

[@paranoiia8]

I think a proper test would be... Stabbing wood... as you would put pressure on the blade as it would be more natural for a knife.

[@davidjewell3932]

FIGURES Jared be the one who doesnt even wear gloves, 🤘🤩

[@orendz7740]

Wonder why the MSI failed?

[@paullmight42]

I'm whacking it right now...

[@megacab]

Solid lock up?

[@BB-tv3bw]

I'm surprised more knives don't fail this test. By whacking the spine, you're turning the knife into a Newton's Cradle and any lock that lacks enough inherent friction in it's design and lockup to resist the transfer of kinetic energy will want to thrust the lock mechanism back the way it came. "Failing" this test doesn't in itself make a knife worry me anymore than a handle failing a cut test because it's simply not how they are designed to operate. However, button locks in general just don't have enough contact in their mechanisms to interest me. All that said, what would really interest me is whether the same whacking test done on the SHARPENED edge would create enough dwell time of the lock mechanism loosening to fold the blade shut after you lift it off the struck surface immediately(or pass through immediately as in chopping a branch in one stroke). A chopping test if you will, more in line with actual use cases. Guessing you would find the same knives would fail. Chop with fixies only is my 2 cents, regardless of which edge you choose.

[@gologulug1295]

Exactly! Newton's Cradle is a good analogy :) Whacking like this creates a shock on the materials, resulting in resonance, making the locking surfaces hop on each other. So the parts can move out of their ideal locking position. On the frame locks, the hand would tighten the lock-position (as Jared already mentioned). On all knife-types the resonance might be dampened significantly just by holding the knife naturally. On button locks, exactly this test is not only ratttling the buttons free but also the swinging may prevent the spring to do it's repositioning work (kinda special scenario imho). All in all, It would make more sense to redo the tests on the failing knives with a regular grip (using a secure glove) and whack the blades with wood, not vice versa! BE FAIR!!!

[@BB-tv3bw]

Yeah, that would be interesting! Damping would have a positive effect on many designs. Guys just need to be careful. Jared is brave doing this without kevlar gloves or something even with his careful grip. CBR's mishap with the MSI, if you caught that, still makes me wince!@@gologulug1295

[@scod3908]

You have clearly never been cutting a hose in an engine bay, had the spine hit something and have razor sharp steel swing into all 4 fingers ruining your day There's no excuse for a failing lock. You can't slam budget makers for a bad grind and then forgive premium products for a design/manufacturing failure that is a considerable safety issue Another situation that can cause a similar failure is the blade getting stuck/wedged, and a repeated back and forth motion on the blade with considerable force trying to get it unstuck Again, there's no excuse for a failing lock on an expensive boutique knife

[@kevinhauser8250]

Another great video

[@keepitsharp-x4s]

so i just received my kizer cormorant v2... what a badass knife.. i just said fuck it and spine whacked into tomorrow!! its still a badass knife, thank goodness. my olitanz failed though, like it was meant too bro. should give yours a go, im just curious. thanks for sharing your mind with us... later

[@DonFarmer-sh7ml]

great info

[@Layzboyedc]

Based on your tests I will never spend money on a Hinderer Knife and I would send all of yours in for a free repair! That is such a shame for a brand made in the USA!

[@TheOneAndOnlySame]

1:00 no. It's not about time it's about elastic deformation causing rebounds allowing the mechanism to disengage 10:20 it's a bestechman, not a Bestech . You buying your knives by the pound to not know that those are different brands altogether or ..?

[@NeevesKnives]

bestechman is made by bestech

[@TheOneAndOnlySame]

@@NeevesKnives Ok, I actually thought Bestechman was to Bestech what Benchmark knives were to Benchmade, a rip off trying to confuse with name proximity. My bad

[@NeevesKnives]

@TheOneAndOnlySame no it's like what civivi is to weknifeco I guess, but bestech makes budget knives to

[@NeevesKnives]

and im not sure what you mean by rebound but im not gonna argue

[@kennkingg]

My MSI is solid

[@tarichar8]

You should try some Medford and Spartan Harsey

[@kerrykitterman4602]

Great Video 😮😊. You're right as. Usual. 😂

[@windowbreezes]

you forgot to do Maxace. and the Titanis. haha jkiddddinggg

[@wesb123]

Good on WE 😎

[@mudcrutched1]

What’s the point of this test.

[@NeevesKnives]

To see if the locks on certain models will slip or fail with very little impact which is very common with tools whether on purpose or by accident

[@balinoob1837]

Ill stick to my edc fixed blade😊😂

[@nnnickkk]

Crap. My new MSI arrives tomorrow 😢

[@NeevesKnives]

break it in no worries,

[@Southernknife_addict]

I’d say you’ll be good my msi and stitch both passed. It could widely vary from knife to knife

[@johnnydanger4629]

Microtech... lads... what are you doing to us? You're charging over 3 beans for that model.

[@wesb123]

Awesome 😎

[@sirosis1971]

Anyone else out there just not trust button locks? There is just so little material contacting the blade tang and it's rounded off. They may be great for most people but I choose knives I can completely trust in any situation. Button locks, while being easy and ergonomic, just don't inspire confidence in my opinion.

[@madrapperdave]

ok.... explain to me like I'm 5 years old.... Why is this even a big deal? Unless you are stabbing something (as opposed to cutting or slicing) how is a lock failure a problem? Using the knife in any ordinary fashion - even if the lock fails it's not a safety issue. I fully understand how a lock failure is an issue if stabbing something.

[@douglasbrmn2]

People rushing to say the spine whack test is dumb, don’t use their knives in a work environment. Like say a skid full of bricks your cutting staps off of and in a hurry, your knife is going to get spine whacked, on the farm cutting open feed or untangling who knows what, the back of your knife is going to hit a fence post or gate post. I had the Towser K bit me while working on my bench and after a cut I moved my hand and hit my gun powder dispenser and it failed. If I’m not cutting in the triangle of death or towards myself, I shouldn’t have to worry about getting cut by my knife. I know most of you want to validate your $500 purchase to sleep better at night but guess what they just keep screwing you over because they know you care more about fitting in than actually using their knives. Hinderer has 20yrs of quality issues yet people just have to have them, they suck at every thing. They’re soft, they come dull, the lock fails, parts just fall out, the grinds are rarely right and their CS is terrible. Same goes for Microtech.

[@windowbreezes]

Can we play a guessing game with knives just by their shadow profile?

[@kylearmstrong21]

Hearing this more and more about the Ram Lock knives and I have been wanting one so bad, I am thinking Microtech came out with a Knife and lock of the year and production QC fell through the cracks. I am sure they would fix a knife for free but maybe I will waiting for this to be fixed in production. Microtech and this knife are too good for this to be so common for very long. I think they rushed it into production in 23 and it should have been 2024