How good are Kamayuks? (AoE2)

[@WulfieZi]

You forgot to mention their hidden vulnerability to poison, and the hidden bonus that poison turns them into llamas (which you can obviously use for food) instead of outright killing them

[@rubywest5166]

About that poison label...

[@lloydlejack-official]

Oh yeah. It's all coming together

[@caret_shell]

True, but if they are poisoned and turned into a cow, and they ask to be allowed to go home, you have to let them go. That's only reasonable.

[@inductivegrunt94]

Right... the poison, the meant specifically for Cuzco, Cuzco's poison.

[@MrMarinus18]

If it was more historically accurate then all spear line units should have the Kamayuk's ability

[@GummBo3]

One small thing to note about the kamayuks, is that they tend to clump up, meaning scorpions and the mangonel line, can deal with them effectively if they aren't microed

[@demiserofd]

Square formation might help with that.

[@calebrands4912]

Kuzco was really afraid of scorpions.

[@mikecostinas3045]

Romans entering the chat

[@ryannathaniel9296]

@@mikecostinas3045 Khmers and Chinese also entered the chat

[@daftwulli6145]

That goes for pretty much any kind of unit especially infantry and crossbowmen, but thank tol the 1 range they are much bertter at fighting back against these aoe units

[@muhammadnuralhafiz]

We going to cuzco academy

[@rexdarma6908]

"Oh yeah it's all coming together"

[@marcello7781]

"Long live Kuzco!"

[@AxelPaul307]

Championship are trying to lead you down the path of righteousness. But Kamayuk's are gonna lead you down the path that rocks.

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

Pachacuti second campaign: "Kuzco... shall NEVER fall!"

[@gregbowen2477]

Boom, Baby!

[@Binarokaro]

Honestly it makes sense that an infantry unique unit that can handle cavalry so well would make a civ like the Incas so dominant in a meta where cavalry is so predominant

[@daftwulli6145]

also pretty good against goths infantry spam

[@ERAA-on-YT]

@@daftwulli6145 Huskarl: "I fear no man. But THAT thing... [points Slinger] It scares me..."

[@satyakisil9711]

You're getting it wrong, the Kamayuk isn't specifically anti cavalry but is both anti infantry and anti cavalry. It doesn't die to skirms, can safely retreat under archer fire and can bypass quickwalls to raid. Kamayuks are incredibly versatile.

[@daftwulli6145]

@@ERAA-on-YT LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[@nemou4985]

kamayuk isn't by any way "OP" as you suggest, as castle only unit, they are harder to mass, and their advantage is only if they are massed. This also meakes them more vulnerable to area damage. As gold.intensive infantry which aren't fast,. they also can't choose engagements vs cavalry which also always gets to engage when and if it wants. Also, the meta is very archer-heavy and kamayuks aren't good against those. In fact american civs can't even effectively counter archers in gold-efficient ways.

[@Thescott16]

An interesting unit matchup for the Kamayuk that I've never seen covered is the Steppe Lancer; suddenly fighting a unit with the same range makes Kamayuks look like every other infantry with pathing. They still have the bonus against cavalry, but it does change the battle by basically removing one of their key advantages.

[@EMDakka]

It also removes the Steppe's own advantage in the same way, so they'd perform worse than knights, but better than scout line.

[@BayWa4eva]

​​@@EMDakka i think they perform vastly better than knights because they nullify the kamayuk bonus and fight on even ground. it should become a situation where the best infantry to fight steppe lancers are kamayuks and the best cavalry to fight kamayuks are steppe lancers. unless you allow other civs where teutonic knights should beat kamayuks and maybe cataphracts beat steppe lancers.

[@BayWa4eva]

​@@EMDakka i just did some post-imperial tests and elite kamayuks slaughter elite steppe lancers. however, not as bad as paladins. everything roughly 1800 res. 24 kamayuks 13 paladins kill 0 16 elite steppe lancers kill 3 for other unique cavalry vs those 24 elite kamayuks: 12 elite cataphracts win with 8 alive as the only one 16 elite coustilier kill 10 14 elite konnik and 15 elite leitis kill 7 each kamayuks destroy all melee horses in bigger fights with the exception of cataphracts.

[@ezrahinkley6132]

the low hp of the lancers lets them down. They need to be able to rely on range or pierce armor to survive, and the bonus damage adds up too quick.

[@Grothgerek]

1 Range doesn't sound like much, but if you think about it, it gives you: - First strike - More Focus attack - more attacks, because less wasted time through movement - in very big stacks it theoretically doubles your damage output, because of the second row attacks

[@rambard5599]

And not only doubles either, it could be as high as tripled if an enemy unit is completely surrounded, as more units can reach an enemy from the back row as they can from the front row.

[@Grothgerek]

@@rambard5599 To be fair, if you are able to completly surround your enemy with two rows of units, it doesn't matter what kind of unit it is... its over. Except you surrounded a Paladin with 20 scouts or villagers.

[@unaiestanconapelaez2526]

And also past a point reduces recived damage in melee due to the first enemy units to enter range dying before being able to strike

[@stylesrj]

@@Grothgerek *Except you surrounded a Paladin with 20 scouts or villagers* Hey hey la hey! *clap*

[@satriapratama3162]

Add attack behind wall

[@gustavchambert7072]

It's not just about getting units involved earlier. It's mostly about the fact that more units can focus on the same target, leading to faster kills, which equals a quicker reduction of incoming damage. The second largest benefit is that units don't need to move nearly as much, which minimises the amount of time they are not dealing damage.

[@caret_shell]

It's funny that the Kamayuk takes advantage of other units' pathing issues, while their giant spears have no such problems. They're all in a huddle raising, lowering and swinging their ethereal spears right through each other, while the enemy is forced to tiptoe up and introduce themselves.

[@allaincumming6313]

It's similar to a macedonian phalanx.

[@ivansolodyankin6820]

One extra range was always a big bonus, remember steppe lancers on launch? One of their biggest advantages was one extra range.

[@mushfiqurrahman1107]

Wait, they don't have it anymore?

[@ivansolodyankin6820]

@@mushfiqurrahman1107 they do, but they were nerfed to the point when this bonus would not play such a major role.

[@hallamhal]

Always thought it was strange that Incas are the ones to get the long reaching anti-cavalry spear over say the Celts (like at Bannockburn or Flodden) or the Flems (Flemish Pikeman) or the Italians or Teutons (Swiss and Landsknechts respectively)

[@nlb137]

I think it might be interesting to look at what they do as a mix-in to a melee comp, as well. How well does the pathing/range advantage hold up in a mixed group of Kamayuks and, say, Pikes vs. Knights, as opposed to pure Pikes vs. Knights? Or Kamayuks + Longswords vs. pure Longswords? Is the advantage linear, or can you get 75% of the value with 25-33% Kamayuks?

[@gherlwinfireson8582]

Interesting!

[@Heinzpeteromfg]

my thoughts exactly. This would eliminate the need to max them from castles as well. giving you an advantage for just adding a few.

[@jahrazzjahrazz8858]

Might be nice for Castle age, but in imperial it would be less interesting since you dont want to afford the Elite upgrade just to mix in a few

[@ionehodge6838]

I suspect the advantage would be minimal. A 50/50 split for example there’s a 50/50 chance your kamayuk will be in front and your halb is going bump against your kamayuk

[@An1llusion]

In an infinite resource scenario, that might be a good idea, but otherwise teching into Champion line (that you don't really want to make, as you're lacking Gambesons and Kamayuks essentially fill the role of Champion anyway) might be too costly and you'd rather have full Kamayuk supported by something else entirely. Support Kamayuks with Eagles or Slingers/Skirmishers. Perhaps the advantage would become notable in large scale battles, but in smaller scale battles the Kamayuk does too little damage to be that effective. I surmise you'd rather want to have more Kamayuks than fewer if you're making a mixed melee army composition.

[@hansoskar1911]

One of the biggest hidden perks of the 1 range is that even if you opponent realizes the fight is worse than expected and tries to bail with their Knights had heal the fight will be way worse that vs pikes.

[@IceSpoon]

Can confirm. I was playing against AI, and I was confidently riding my Celt paladins over its base. The AI responded with mass Kamayuks. It was a slaughter.

[@chestnutplace77]

I love the new Inca bonus because historically the Inca army was known for being large. Sometimes they just showed up to the enemy with a huge army to intimidate them into giving up.

[@willemverheij3412]

Looks like the Incas found their new groove after the latest patch.

[@royalrepublican3480]

9:50 holy that pathing, the Viking on the left just walks around and doesn't attack at all before they die

[@samueldullaart]

One thing you missed is that kamayuks perform much better against archers that are bunched up against a building or treeline than other units. Because of their extra range, a lot more kamayuks can attack the archers at the same time compared to knights or eagles for example. Would be interesting to see the difference that makes.

[@The-jy3yq]

Probably not a whole lot, seeing how Kamayuks are only _really_ available in late Castle Age, where Archer numbers really start to climb up, meaning they can now handle their foes pretty nicely Unless you're Fast Castling to drop a Castle on your Archer civ opponent, that is

[@steretsjaaj2368]

Wish there'd been a swiss/helvetian civ with kamayuk style pikemen.. they deserve their place in age2 de, helvs were badass

[@Steve-mx9rr]

maybe 2024 :)

[@bannedcommander2932]

The Swiss should have been added long ago.

[@karljohan2300]

always loved th ename helvetia since its pretty much th ename hell in swedish helvete

[@DCdabest]

I reckon we coud fit in Swiss, Georgians and maaaybe Tibetan or Nepalese and call the DLC "The Mountain Kings" or something like that.

[@rahulhuda123321]

Maybe give Swiss pikes to franks as unique unit, they were regularly hired by them.

[@nootnoot753]

A small correction if I may: at 7:55, you state that pikemen withstand 11 arrows from crossbows, but you didn't take into account that crossbowmen have an attack bonus of +3 against them, so they actually only withstand 7 arrows. Curiously enough, you do mention the bonus when talking about arbalest and halberdiers.

[@ChicDead26]

I'm so happy Incas are better now. Always loved their unique units.

[@FirstLast-wk3kc]

Me too!

[@johnsmith5139]

same here. was always my favorite.

[@sape2207]

Dude I was like "meh, whatever let's watch" but what you showed here is a reason why I love your channel. It goes so beyond AOE2, it demonstrates mechanics on a much deeper level. Thank you for what you are doing.

[@patricklml5811]

Like the Incas review video from 7 years ago, the extra range is paramount for the KAMAYUK, as it always deals the first hit, and even though the attack is very low (only 2 more than the Halberdier in Imperial) it is impressive as a defeat A lot of infantry that has a higher attack, is one of the few infantry that if you apply "micro" it has a better effect, although not so much the truth. In conclusion, it is much better with that food discount Bonus and that in addition to being good against most infantry, it is also good against cavalry, which is what the Kamayuk is designed for.

[@williankc]

I wish you had also looked at using split stance against Kamayucks. If Paladins arrive from different directions, it could significantly reduce the Kamayuck's advantage due to less "hiding behind the lines.

[@EvilCherry3]

They also move 10% faster than Militia line.

[@hideshisface1886]

It is just a perfect example of how powerful the range is. There is basically a cap of how many units can engage one in melee. And primary advantage of any ranged units is bypassing that. Kamayuks have tiny range, but still enough to give them monster of an advantage in large numbers, but even in smaller battles, they simply do not have to travel into position as far as true melee unit would have. And they also get a first strike against anything charging at them.

[@shiryu22]

love the deep dives like this. thanks spirit! a llama for you 🦙

[@mattcuco]

It would be nice to have a mixed scenario like 10halbs + 10 kamayuks vs 20 paladins. It is most common case since you produce from castles and from barracks as well. Also if halbs die first than then it must be really cost effective.

[@anilovicinho]

Yeah, and it is very probable that halbs die first since halbs will be on the front line due to kamayuks' range

[@spyrofrost9158]

Incas have been a favorite of mine since they were added in HD edition, and still among the one I play the most today. I'm glad Slingers finally got their 1 attack back, and Kamayuk have never let me down.

[@Cynndora]

One of my fav unique units, always wished a civ got a unique bonus/tech to add the +1 range to the spear-line.

[@唐唯剛]

It's one of my favorate units because it's so easy to use. You can just spam them. Nothing really hard counters them.

[@ijazkhan3335]

that long thing they are holding made me think they'll be super strong against cavalry units :D

[@2nightwehunt]

Well..main limitation is that you need s castle..and hosnestly hand cannons, onager and scorpion line absolutely destroys them. Especialy the onger is a problem where you need to spend significant gold on sniping them with either eagles or monks..but yes definitely an underused unit!

[@ramk2443]

Archers do

[@2nightwehunt]

@@ramk2443 Well depends on the number and the type of engagement kamayuks take..they do have unusualy high hp and pierce armor for an infantry unit. But HCs is a different story, they destory them

[@zeroyuki92]

Hand cannoneers?

[@shannonmikko9865]

Glad to see a video on Kamayuks! They are just such a good unique unit that you can rely on to just mash into enemy formations and win

[@navinkumarpk86]

Can you do the AOE2DE versus history series for Incas too?

[@ballehakan]

I wish you could make a formation with pikemen in the from and kamayuks in the back

[@ButzPunk]

iirc units will line up in formation based on their range (at least that seems to be how it works with box formation), so the kamayuks should stand behind the pikes

[@ballehakan]

@@ButzPunk you might be completely right. My computer have been broken for a year now so I haven't been able to play.

[@llSuperSnivyll]

It's just as with Steppe Lancers, the "1" range allows them to almost completely bypass the pathfinding issues this 1999 engine has, as well as allow them to focus fire on a single unit like standard ranged units do.

[@thomasjunker5415]

Kamayuks are definitely one of my favorite unique units… I wish that the idea of melee units having range was more common… especially for infantry where formation played a big role, I.e. Swiss pikemen

[@jnow7112]

In your video "Attack Move logic and Search Radius" you stated that units target the weaker unit if it's about 0.5 tile farther than closest one. If it's still true then it would explain why they are so strong in bigger engagements. Normal unit hast to calculate shortest path to target considering obstacles, so it has max 2-3 units within that 0.5 tile wiggle room. Kamayuks from 2nd line, after killing their opponent can choose to attack already weakened one. But that would require further testing to confirm.

[@inductivegrunt94]

I don't really mind Kamayuks, I kinda just use them as an extra unit to work alongside Swords, Pikes, and Eagles. I let their bonus happen naturally rather than forcing them to use their bonus. They're not my favorite Mesoamerican unique unit, that honor goes to the Jaguar Warrior(at least until Xhotal Warriors get Cav Armor upgrades), but they're still a good unit that I use a lot as Incas. But we all know they should deal bonus damage against Llamas, but a vulnerability to poison that turns them into Llamas.

[@mmbittencourt777]

Would be nice to compare them with Cataphracts, Steppe Lancers and Ghulam (even if they're an anti-archer unit)

[@Darkcamera45]

Loving the consistent uploads

[@Xenotric]

the ability to do archer like stacking tactics to limit melee area by having them stood in a corner of tree's or such also helps a bunch

[@engerlandt]

I think the Kamayuks being good is more of a statement about how poor the melee pathing is in this game rather than the merits of the unit itself

[@ethribin4188]

Kamayuks show why 90% of medival armies where polearm soldiers.

[@sophietaylor9753]

Instant subscribe for mentioning Lancchester's square law!

[@thomasfplm]

I'm curious about how effective they are in mixed groups. Like having halbs in front and Kamayuks behind to go against cavalry.

[@TheKeppler22]

Ooooo i remember watching your Inca overview way back then and them becoming my favourite Civ ever since! Very glad to see they're doing better. I sure hope they don't get nerfed.

[@ijhuana]

The point that nobody seems to mention and took me 20 min of checking specialized guides online. Is that their armour type is infantry, and not spearman. Therefore archers or skirms do not have bonus damage against them. They have nothing to do with the spear line they are basically eagles with one more range and less movement speed. They receive 4 damage per shot from a fully upgraded arbelester and 1 from skirms, considering their HP those are a lot of shots to bring one down.

[@robbylava]

I love the Kamayuk. But what I'd love even more would be more MANY civilizations to have access to an elite Long Pike unit -- Halberds just don't do justice to the Pike & Shot tactics of the 1400 & 1500s, and this style of warfare existed all over the world!

[@steretsjaaj2368]

Agree 102%. Maybe a mod could do that?

[@robbylava]

@@steretsjaaj2368 would be great to see! It's definitely a project I intend on tackling at some point myself

[@Naccarat]

I wouldn't mind a technology giving +1 range to halbardiers, maybe as a unique tech for a future civ. But giving it to all civs would really mess up the balance of game

[@steretsjaaj2368]

@@Naccarat maybe a lite version of druzhina style would be more appropriate, but yeah.. halbs were much deadlier than militia line we have atm. They could buff them up, but then it's balance issue again, I guess..

[@steretsjaaj2368]

@@robbylava if I had spare time (more willpower :D ) I'd revive that old AoK mod Age of Chivalry: Hegemony which had all the goodies we're discussing

[@napkin6184]

One thing I would like to see added is, the point at which the unit eventually trades with knights and swordsmen. When I'm playing, I'd like a reference point to look for when taking engagements. Ex if they have +5 your numbers then it'll be an even trade.

[@markvanderwerf8592]

Impossible to give this in an easy form. For example you could say for example roughly 4:5 kamayuk:knights but it depends not only on the ratio but the absolute sizes as well. And these kind of things depend heavily on micro and chance.

[@forsakenquery]

What a great old school spirit video

[@paternaaoe1478]

Kamayuks engaging against cavalry has to be one of the most satisfying aoe battles

[@acatamount3943]

Perhaps melee pathing would work better giving say half a tile of range to all melee units?

[@Hjortur95]

very clever idea

[@Naccarat]

Half a tile seems a bit too much. Maybe a quarter or a fifth of a tile of melee range would be ok

[@Powerofriend]

I've always hold ground -> stop microed kamayks into melee fights in a tight formation to ensure the back row is "filled" when first enemy gets to melee range. the first attack moved Kamayk that gets into range also stops there and starts fighting at its max range blocking the kamayks behind him leading to weird pathing issues, when the enemy unit chooses to not close in with it's opposite number, come to second row kamayks melee range, and bunch up on the closest kamayk instead. kamayks tend to last longer individually aswell since they aren't getting surrounded by hostile units when snug in their tight line leaving them alive to attack longer. They can scatter a bit when attack moving and miss swings in the beginning of a fight. Turn defensive or agresive stance on after the formation is engaged to prevent them sitting there passive when you focus microing something else. Minor damage boost but easy to do. Ofc don't bother with it if enemy has siege.

[@DaviD-zw6cd]

One interesting thing to look into deeper could be if a mixture of Helbardier and Kamayuk is even more efficient for the Incas.

[@skidibidi]

please start a civ overview series for the new return of rome civs for aoe 2 players, appreciate all your highly informative videos

[@Nightmare_52]

4:39 swordsman on the bottom going on a trip

[@thepyropaladin8608]

Classic melee pathing for DE

[@sinbound6124]

would it be a bad ideia to give the 1 range to other melee units in the game? That could make the pathing feel less awkward

[@ares106]

this ranged pikeman mechanic would have made a lot more sense in AOE3 which starts during the rein of the tercio.

[@popebobcat3716]

Did you consider engaging from a patrol maneuver? Used correctly, some units can stack on top of one another. That could make an even more drastic difference. I have not tried it with Kamayuks. I used that a lot with Galactic Battlegrounds (AOE2 engine) and AT-ATs. There is was the large size and slow speed that made stacking desirable because you could not get all of your units to engage otherwise.

[@Nostryck]

As usual, you offer us a great video, thank you! There is just one point that has not been addressed, and that I would have liked to see appear in the video: Since eagle warriors are better against archers, if the enemy plays 2 unit types like cavalry + archer, does mixing eagle warriors with kamayuke affect the effectiveness of the number, and if so of how many.

[@heartminer5487]

Looking at the engagement pathing in aoe2 reminds me of how I hesitate when going to the checkout lane in costco. Pathing would be tricky even in real world human fights.

[@akshaytheignorant]

at low elo, Elephants are really standing out, especially Khmer Ballista elephants, it will be good to see some videos on those.

[@anttikaikkonen1460]

Have you experimented with patrolling kamayuks on stand ground stance? In large groups they tend to stack like crazy multiplying the effect of the +1 range.

[@Shadowwand]

The advice about the camel's getting shredded by Kamayuk's is important in team games. Keep your camels away from Kamayuks

[@specialmentalproblem]

finally my fav unit being thrown into the spotlight

[@white5pace]

One fact you forgot to mention is their +20 bonus damage against elephants making them one of the best counter units apart from monks

[@doomkitty8386]

I wanted to see Inca all the way back in The Conquerors, and they became my favorites when they came out. I wouldn't be surprised if they get nerfed someday, but for now I'm enjoying their moment.

[@derikaem8021]

11:29 spirit why do you think square law will hold true here? its a melee fight, where you only get a limited amount of units engaging, which makes it linear at a large scale

[@derikaem8021]

btw it would be cool to find some numbers that approximate the lanchester exponent for a variety of matchups :)

[@MrMarinus18]

5:00 I kinda hope they never do that cause the bad pathing somewhat simulates the chaos of battle and the hesitation many soldiers have going towards a wall of spikes.

[@buildingman]

I never would have guessed they were so badass.

[@remote24]

this looks to me that all pathingissues of meleeunits would be solved if they all had 0,5-1 range. just look how derpy single units just walk around the fight and getting stabbed or maybe target refresh more, so they check all 0,5s if there a target close and attack this particular because pathing itself looks fine, they find a way around the obstacles, theres just a reason they walk around the obstacle, they want to attack the target they initially locked on to, irgnoring all further targets they pass. its just badly coded targetpriorities imo Kamayuks excel only for this reason that they can stay on target longer lol

[@ScudForEver]

I think they are pretty good now, and balance. While the extra range makes them a nice all around units, the are a juicy target for mangonels as they tend to stay far enough from friendly melee units that they always get inside the safe to aggro zone of the magonel. Just keep them busy with hussars or pikes and sacrifice them if you must in a similar fashion when facing Teutonic knights.

[@SarangMinhas]

Can we re investigate steppe lancers vs knights? Focused on possibly on Mongol steppe lancers as their 30% extra hp make them possibly most viable.

[@CallofDutyBlackOps28]

the Kamayuk is definately like the steppe lancer (well, in terms of really) how two ganging up on one knight equals to +16 bonus cav damage, and while that would mean a pikeman doing 26 damage, two Kamayuks doing 7+7+8 bonus damage times the 8 by 2, and you're doing a gangup of damage alot sooner then the pikemen can reach the cav unit, making the Kamayuk an interesting pikemen that also can throw down like the militia line.

[@Max-ej4oh]

Had a slinger Incas custom game recently. 3 vs 3 They just beefed the Incas player with so much early resources, it was a swarm of Kamayuks in my base. I can still hear the screams.

[@boarfaceswinejaw4516]

something that would be cool would be if, assuming the "return to rome" expansion is successful, the developers re-texturing the kamayuk and turning it into a hoplite for the greeks.

[@AntonioZL]

You should have fitted a Lanchester Law model to your kamayuk tests. :p

[@dark_mage2]

Fairly impressive results from the Kamayuks, but I wonder how does it compare with other ranged melee unique units, who possess even greater range?

[@josephbrandenburg4373]

But are Kamayuks as effective against Elephants as halbs? The halb v Elephant bonus damage is a lot bigger.

[@An1llusion]

Kamayuks are insane vs Elephants, because they can take more hits and live longer. Elephants are also very slow so they just get poked to death before they even get to attack. I've seen Persian players do War Elephants against my Kamayuks and I almost wanted to call PETA from that massacre. 11

[@valger3652]

Halb damage output is comparable to kamayuks. 2 halb hits (132 dmg) = 3 kamayuk hits (120 dmg) for 6 seconds. Kamayuks just much better than halb vs ele as pop efficient unit.

[@bradleenosbisch9928]

I haven't seen a video on this yet, but if a unit gets converted, do they then adopt the civ bonuses of the new civ? For example if the Japanese converted a Kamayuk would the unit pick up extra attack speed? Follow up video idea; which are the most powerful uses of that if they do pick up new bonuses?

[@da_BemBem]

Now we need to know How well do the Inca deal with the Mongols?

[@amazed2341]

I’ve always through the extra range would make them great to mix in with trash, or other units like eagles or swordsmen. A few kamayuks behind halbs makes for a great murder ball

[@_Locke_]

damn that outro music bops!

[@PauxloE]

I was missing the battle against crossbows or arbalesters - I guess the range makes it easier to get more of them actually attacking the archers, assuming the archers don't run away? Also, how fast are they in comparison to the archers - can they catch them? Also, I wonder how a combination of kamayuks with other infantry units in front of them works out.

[@axelpalais2514]

Never heard of Amazon Warriors. When were they added?

[@Darkillermon]

I wish you could make a video of Kamayuks against Battle Elephants and Steppe Lancers also :)

[@namvo3013]

All tech for Inca is fun. I recreated pike and shot warfare with kamayuks and hand cannons

[@maugamer1536]

Yeah, Peru man, thanks for the video

[@An1llusion]

Woo, Incas, my favourite civ and Kamayuks, my favourite unit! Will be interesting to see the Slinger and how 'generalist' they can be. People say Slingers more or less win vs Arbalesters, but considering they get so hard countered by Cavalry / Hussar they're definitely much weaker of a generalist unit than Kamayuks are.

[@juanfisi]

Interesting, and how good are the new bombard towers for the byz now?

[@derikaem8021]

i wonder if the 1 range can significantly backfire when fighting skirmishers as they will not exploit the skirms minimum range

[@alex_zetsu]

Are Kamayuks actually melee units with extended reach? I thought they just fired a 100% accurate invisible projectile and had a melee animation and melee attack class. I know just about everything from their animation to their attack type suggests they work as advertised, it just seems easier to program in a projectile to fake a melee attack with more range if you aren't already simulating a physics engine (a game like a first-person shooter with melee weapons might already have a collision detection system, so a longer reach just requires a different hitbox, AoE doesn't really simulate physics aside from projectiles).

[@meinebosma]

One of these for the Teutonic Knight?

[@morantNO1]

What about mixing in a few Pikes/Halbs as cannonfoder? You would get maximum usage out of the range, if you had melee units in the front row they can attack over, right?

[@mokafi7]

Will you make videos on the AoE1 civs?

[@fakhruddinnalawala5451]

Could you do a Top 5 best longswords video?

[@IamLastRights]

I had the impression that they were really effective against elephants. Could you check that out too?

[@zwojack7285]

I wonder if Kamayuk would get better or worse if you use certain formations, stand your ground etc

[@gherlwinfireson8582]

Line formation, stand ground and attack move to the center of the enemy melee army, and at the middle to the end of the battle you change to offensive or defensive stance. However, it’s good for every other melee unit, actually. I’m almost sure Hera and/or Dave has a video showcasing this. But the kamayuks can stay in the stand ground for longer and still attack, not letting the enemy get a good surround.

[@gherlwinfireson8582]

I love when a melee unit has more micro possibilities 11

[@gherlwinfireson8582]

This sequence of attack move in stand ground followed by the release of the formation trough the change to offensive or defensive stance is what you can do to prevent the struggle to find targets that SotL described for the units fighting the kamayuks.

[@justincronkright5025]

Kam-Kams are powerful... The siege can hit them a bit better since they stay at a further distance when attacking, but all in all they're a really strong unit. Just finished a Byzantines match (no Incas player), but Cataphracts is where my mind went since they're usually really stacked together.

[@317Amg]

What about step lancers and light cav? It would be nice to add them to the comparison as well (instead of camel riders)

[@vileluca]

"Your Kamayuk has first strike" Magic the gathering reference? O

[@ivan55599]

Spanish player would envy, because they would have similar kind of imperial age unit, terchio pikeman.