Tatars Overview AoE2

Analysis of the Tatar bonuses, unique unit/techs, and tech tree.
BONUSES
1:08 Team Bonus: Cavalry Archers +2 LOS
1:54 Villagers gather +50% food from herdables
3:40 Units deal +25% damage from fighting from higher elevation.
Elevation bonus in more detail: • Tatar Hill Bonus
Attacking uphill calculations in more detail: • Is it ever worth it to...
4:50 Thumb ring, Parthian tactics free
UNIQUE UNIT AND TECHS
6:50 Unique Unit: Keshik
Keshik in more detail, especially in various unit matchups: • Keshik
8:30 Unique Unit: Flaming Camel
9:25 Silk armor (light cavalry, steppe lancers, cavalry archers +1 pierce armor)
9:50 Timurid siegecraft (+2 range for trebuchets)
TECH TREE
10:37 Archers A-
11:20 Infantry F
11:50 Cavalry B+
12:30 Siege B+
12:50 Navy B- (C+ early, B late)
13:35 Monks C
13:55 Defences/University B
14:28 Economy B+
14:50 Wrap Up. Thoughts on strategies, maps, strengths, and weaknesses.
Patreon: / spiritofthelaw
Full intro song: • Spirit of the Law Chan...
Background music from Epidemic Sound: www.epidemicsou...
Game: Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition, with Forgotten Empires, African Kingdoms, Rise the Rajas, and Last Khans expansions

[@HeavyCavalryArcher]

Thumb Ring, Parthian Tactics for free? Where can I sign up?

[@pbsoccer2]

LOL

[@evylynvega]

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[@krishnanunni80]

😂

[@zackestin1368]

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[@Weldedhodag]

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[@angelusumbra5741]

Historically camels with flaming hay on their backs were sent at elephants to spook them, making the elephants turn and stampede terrified through their own lines, trampling many of their own infantry and other foot troops to death. So while it may be a "meme unit" in game, it is a historically accurate thing. Especially with the bonus against elephants.

[@EspressoCatPlays]

I love the Tatars, for their cavalary archer, finally the overview as I have been waiting

[@W0.0166]

I have been waiting for this video for a long time!!!! thanks!!!!!

[@javsjavs8659]

Keep this intro forever please. It's literally the best!

[@DadDoStuff]

Spirit of the law uploaded an overview video of a game civilization. Me and my rice : our meal will be historic.

[@fiddleriddlediddlediddle]

The reason I pick Tatars is because they're the only civ besides Cumans who have the Central-Asian architecture set.

[@niki75]

I love water maps... So lacking both Two Man Saw and more critically Shipwright pretty much disqualifies this Civ I'd willingly pick

[@MrSalvivi]

Does the team bonus apply to mangudai, arambai, conquistadors and genitours as well?

[@pavXX]

It's the TATERS!

[@WulfieZi]

W-What are you doing, steppe-lancer?

[@Sosuke0727]

I Don't understand why spirit sorted complained about the Cav.archer +2 LOS Wasn't something that he had wanted and mentioned on the Magyars overview? 🤔

[@dontspikemydrink9382]

YES, he is nothing but inconsistent

[@wnnetwork]

wait this isnt about making a nice tartar sauce

[@CiliophoraEuplotes]

The monastery lacks faith and theocracy, but has illumination and block printing, might as well be training philosophers instead of monks.

[@jaishkhan7442]

Goddamn

[@finnhackapell6560]

Instead of converting people with monks, they have philosophers, which makes your enemies confused and attack everyone including their allies on sight

[@somekindoflatindude9497]

I laughed very loud at this

[@mekelius]

Perhaps rather journalists. In my experience philosophers tend to forget to put the lights on.

[@eccentrichorse11]

The great thing about the tatars and the other lancer civs is that they are great for psychological warfare. They can be used to make your opponent bang their head in anger or even quit the game. To see how this is done, you gotta train a lancer in castle age and then place it near your opponent's lumbercamp. And then message your opponent: "The guy standing next to your lumbercamp is my steppe lancer. I never knew my real lancer."

[@skylible]

Okay, I'm embrassed cause I don't get it.. explanation please, my lord.

[@EveHawkthorne]

@@skylible Steppe = step. Steplancer, i.e., adopted lancer.

[@afz902k]

@@skylible as in step father

[@skylible]

Oooooohhhhh.... I kinda get it

[@ghuzh2398]

Goddamn it I hate you. 11

[@denizumut1]

10:39 Fun Fact: Crossbow/Arbalet is called "Tatar bow" in modern Turkish, despite Tatars doesnt have access to arbalest

[@directrulefromgamerchair3947]

I'm imagining a lot of confusion and bug reports if there's a Turkish translation of this game lol

[@denizumut1]

@@directrulefromgamerchair3947 well, today i downloaded the definitive edition, it has turkish translation and its so much confusing :D in turkish there is another word "kundaklı yay" for crossbow and currently crosbowmen is called "arbaletçi" (direct translation from arbalest) and arbalest is called "kundaklı yaycı" which is exactly means crossbowmen. difference between arbalet and crossbow is not known by turks mostly and probably turkish people either playing english version or they didnt noticed because as i said we dont know the difference 11 edit: and i now just did a bug report haha

[@directrulefromgamerchair3947]

@@denizumut1 so in Turkish version arbalests are below crossbowmen? To be fair, in english the Arbalest is just a word for a real heavy crossbow, made with a steel bow and mechanical firing mechanism. It's still a crossbow too.

[@denizumut1]

@@directrulefromgamerchair3947 yes, the archer line order is as follows: "okçu (archer)", "arbaletçi (arbalester)", "kundaklı yaycı (crossbowman)". its even same in obsidian arrow's description

[@llSuperSnivyll]

@@denizumut1 The Spanish version had a problem originally. Archer was "Arquero" (correct), Crossbowman was "Ballestero" (also correct)... and Arbalest was "Ballesta" (as in "crossbow"), as if upgrading the crossbowman removed the man from the equation. That was fixed by the Definitive Edition (now the Arbalest is "Arbalestero"), but now we have both the Knight and the Cavalier with the exact same name ("Caballero").

[@FEARSWTOR]

Tatars overview: 1. Boil 'em 2. Mash 'em 3. Stick 'em in a stew

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

Wot's Tatars, Precious?

[@MrFohom]

"Send forth THE FLAMING CAMELS!!!"

[@rajaafullo]

Hyah!

[@loojawmanandhar9808]

@@rajaafullo BOOM!!

[@calebcouch2597]

I need a cumans civ overview so I know what I’m doing with them

[@nopls1762]

every time I play them it feels like goths but cavalry

[@Xaders1]

If he wants to dig into the math of the secound Town Center in Feudal (and we all know he will), it is a very difficult thing to do. The pro players figuered "only" one or two strategies out thus far.

[@sharishth]

Kipchaks are fun

[@windwindy5356]

They are indeed technically goth but with Cavalry and stronger siege units

[@ericofire]

Hera has some good strategy guides for them

[@hallamhal]

Tatars: live on flat steppes Devs: have a hill bonus!

[@philipfry6428]

right but the steppes have many hilly areas cliffs dispersed into plains, the tatars held positions very well, maybe thats why

[@T33K3SS3LCH3N]

How the hell can you give a C for those monks, that's a straight F If I ever saw one.

[@Hennu_TRM]

Yeah they're god awful... I might even say worse than the infantry.

[@psiignoramus9486]

IKR? No Sanctity meaning Monks don’t get extra +15 HP for their original 30 HP they start off with. No Redemption meaning Monks can’t convert Seige Units and Buildings. No Theocracy meaning Monks in groups all have to rest when converting a unit instead of only one. Those IMHO are the MOST critical techs to research for a Monk. At least Tatars get Two Handed Swordsman unlike the Persians but missing those extra armor upgrades is a drawback unlike the Persians.

[@ObviusRetard]

@@psiignoramus9486 I feel like those ratings should be switched, at least they have halberdier

[@phdbot4483]

I also find their lack of Faith and Heresy... disturbing. Jokes aside, I know they're both expensive, but they can always come in handy towards the late game if the opponent is heavily invested in monks for whatever reason. Then again, Tatars do get Hussars and plenty of ranged options to work with. I'd like to add that despite Persians having some of the fewest Monastery techs (they only get Fervor and Herbal Medicine in Castle), they at the very least have access to Faith, Theocracy, and Block Printing in Imperial.

[@zhiz3074]

Also their halberdier deals the most bonus damage of any civ when fighting downhill. Certainly usable. It should be an underrated C or C-. Monks are unusable apart from relics

[@ridzkiandiyono4773]

Facing Toktamysh's Golden Horde as Tamerlane (Tatar) from higher elevation: "It's over, Toktamysh! I have the high ground!"

[@Hamanuna]

3:49 Also known as the Kenobi Bonus.... Anakin would hate to play against the Tatars

[@mrgaudy1954]

"It's over archers! I have the high ground!"

[@Azurialis]

@@mrgaudy1954 You understimate my Longbowman!

[@mrgaudy1954]

Sergei Gaylord- Lord of the Gay legion *knowing Britons don’t get thumb ring* “Don’t try it...”

[@TeTaongaKorora]

I think he may hate even more to play on Arabia; the terrain is coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere

[@Hamanuna]

@@TeTaongaKorora or worse, playing against the Tatars on Arabia

[@ruslangabdullin3976]

I am proud tatar myself. And when they were introduced to this game it really warmed my heart. Best civ for me

[@massimomercurio9006]

G

[@icecoldchilipreppers]

I'm a viking but prefer calvary civs 🤪

[@candrarazaka4351]

@@icecoldchilipreppers I'm a malay and I prefer cavalry and cav archer civs xD

[@BinnyNair]

I am Indian and I weep every time I see Elephant Archers being brought down by swarms of halbs.

[@TeutonicEmperor1198]

Crimean or Kazhan?

[@-Raylight]

Sorry I don't have Tatars pun, instead I have this *"Why couldn’t the Mexican archer use his bow?"* *_"He didn’t habanero."_*

[@GraveUypo]

that one is hard to understand when you know a latin language and read the word properly. but i got it.

[@cacs2201]

@@GraveUypo I didn't get it... Not even with your comment to help

[@Tungdilxy]

Caio Prado mate, habanero-have an arrow😂

[@orionl5411]

Habanero = have an arrow

[@cacs2201]

@@Tungdilxy oh god, this is horrible... I fucking love it

[@Mavo936]

In preparation for this overview, 4 years ago I ... Now that's planning in advance :)

[@petemagnuson7357]

Anyone know what the intro music is called? Edit: looks like it a piece of original SoL music, neat!

[@packguar6617]

He puts a link to the full version in video descriptions.

[@stefansofronescu7675]

Spirit of the Law, if you don't mind, I would like to see a Genghis Khan campaign vs. history. Of course, only if you want.

[@shizukousapostle1stapostle710]

If Flaming camels had the ability to turn enemy elephants like in the campaign or at least scaring away(making the elephant units neutral) would have been fun and a nice nod to their history

[@suryaramanandsharma1324]

Which Campaign?

[@khankhomrad8855]

@@suryaramanandsharma1324 The Tatar's campaign.

[@T2266]

Yea, making elephant neutral would double their meme value

[@FuelDropforthewin]

Add a status debuff: cav and elephants caught in the blast radius panic for 1 second, unable to move or attack in that time.

[@grraf1]

@@FuelDropforthewin its already implemented we call it DE unit pathing

[@devangnivatkar2649]

Back when 'Timurid Siegecraft' was just +1 range to Trebs, I wanted it to become a Team Unique Tech like Berber Kasbah. Would have been nice to have a second Team Bonus due to their weak default TB.

[@PriyamvadRai]

Wait there's Tatars in the game?

[@billdebillbill]

Always have been. In the definitive edition.

[@majike0355]

They're in Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition. They come with the Khans expansion which is free with DE, but isn't available at all for the HD (2013 version). Bulgarians, Cumans, Lithuanians, and Tatars are the newest civs.

[@Progeusz]

Don't worry man, I got your joke.

[@NowhereMan7]

@@Progeusz I didnt. Can you explain his joke to me?

[@ruknoonshadiddinder9801]

Any Minor World That Breaks Apart it’s the astronaut with gun “always has been” meme.

[@ZOOMTheGamer]

As a tatar, I am happy that we finally have some representation in video games.

[@vtsoi4413]

im tatar (siberian) aswell, finally we get some recognition.

[@hanowar]

haha same bro, i hope they will add us to AoE4!

[@oguzmen5451]

Cumans? Bulgarians?

[@dustypaint]

Do you speak Tatar or Russian? Because if you can speak Tatar, you can understand Turkish aswell.

[@atayigitustundag2356]

Bruh we are all Turks and doesnit matter if it is Huns, Cumans, Tatars or Ottomans we are in the game with 4 civs

[@Khotgor]

Although I see the consideration of the hill bonus for trebuchets, and its a great one since trebuchets for Tatars have very long range, I can't help but feel that, even without the siege onagers, their onagers and heavy scorpions would be even more dangerous uphill. Siege Onagers generally deal a normal 60 and Onagers deal 50 melee damage respectively, alongside both having +12 bonus damage against siege. A tatar onager uphill dealing 50% bonus damage would deal over 75 melee damage, whilst the siege onager for normals would be only 72. Granted the Siege Onager has slightly more HP, but I think with the Tatars focusing on being gold-conservative and having a greater emphasis on tactical placement, it fits pretty well and during certain circumstances can make the Onager quite dangerous; at the same time, it makes a Tatar Onager even more dangerous with its damage output and AoE able to deal with incoming enemy units. To make a comparison, a Champion generally has around 70 Hp; Hussars have 75 Hp; although it generally is overkill against certain units such as Calvary Archers and Eagle Warriors, which both have 60 after max upgrades, the Onager's splash damage doesn't always deal the same damage that are caught by the blast radius; the higher damage output makes sure that certain units that may have otherwise survived an Onager hit, stay dead. Having a placement of two or three Tatar Onagers uphill can make all the difference of making Eagle Warriors, who are a counter for the majority of the Tatar's primary arsenal, melt. This is even more so with the Heavy Scorpion; especially since Scorpions are generally good chokepoint units due to their function, the 16 pierce damage would be changed to 24 uphill, due to the 50% hill bonus damage. The only other unit that can beat that uphill is the chinese HS, but even then the rocketry upgrade is a costly upgrade, whilst the Tatar hill bonus is free. The heavy scorpion and onager for the Tatar feels like something that can make sure that the Tatar has a greater emphasis in defensive positioning with key siege units, and make it so that when situations become diffiult to Tatar and need to retreat or move to a better position, they have a greater emphasis on using it. Granted its situational, and requires some RNG luck with hill generation, but the 25% additional hill bonus damage for siege units are of a greater output that standard units due to their high yield of damage they do. A tatar player making use of trebuchets defended by onagers and/or heavy scorpions along with some standard units would make a difficult combination to penetrate.

[@Tei]

"Cavalry, archer, and cavalry archer all in one."

[@sauravtripathi4128]

The archer part is something which Mongols and Huns can't boast of. The Cavalry part is something which Portuguese, Turks and Vietnamese cannot boast of.

[@JJBeauregard1]

FINALLY! thank you so much for these

[@joseignacio5580]

Tatars are my favorite civ, don´t know why I like them so much. Thanks for the spotlight they deserve.

[@Thescott16]

Tatars know exactly how many straws would break the camel's back.

[@TeTaongaKorora]

14:01 Doesn't the Kenobi bonus only affect units? In that case the castles won't benefit from the bonus

[@agustinrafaelle5396]

No, buildings too. More hp, and more attack

[@TeTaongaKorora]

@@agustinrafaelle5396 Are we talking about the same bonus? The Kenobi/+25% damage from upill bonus for Tatars doesn't give HP even to units, and the bonus specifically says 'units.' This would suggest that buildings aren't affected unless it's another one of AoE's badly worded bonuses

[@agustinrafaelle5396]

@@TeTaongaKorora there is the tatar's hill bonus, and besides that you have game hill bonus, that aplies to all civs

[@agustinrafaelle5396]

@@TeTaongaKorora but yes it only says units... You are rigth

[@direhuskyalpha5634]

@@agustinrafaelle5396 Seeing as this is a Tatar overview and not an "all civs" overview, the general hill bonus is moot. Everyone's castles benefit from it exactly the same so only the additional Tatar bonus or lack of bonus matters for this

[@michaeltaylor8698]

Hey Spirit. Great video as always! I have two questions though: first, wouldn't it be better to make the case as to when to use Steppe Lancers vs Keshiks, instead of Knights vs Keshiks? Having played as Tatars quite a bit I know I'm never going to use Cavaliers because Keshiks seem to be better in every way since they cost a lot less gold and are fantastic for soaking up damage with their decent health and armour. Since Steppe Lancers and Keshiks are more comparable in price and Tatars do get the +1 pierce armour on their SLs, is there ever a time to use SLs over Keshiks? Like would SLs be better than Keshiks at fighting the Goth infantry spam or Eagle Warriors, for example? My second question is how much of a difference does that +1p armour actually make to their Cavalry Archers? How much better do Tatar Cavalry Archers perform vs other Cavalry Archers, Arbalests, and Skirmishers? Maybe you could do a short follow up video where you look at this? Maybe one day you could even redo your top 5 Cavalry Archer video where you now also factor in Tatar cavalry archers and the Cuman Kipchaks? Hope you're having a great day!

[@wesselstienstra7020]

These are interesting questions!

[@CrnaStrela]

I can only attest Tatar's cav archers still lost to Turks, I have no idea about the rest

[@tombraiderstrums09]

Steppe lancers are available sooner than Keshiks since you can make them the instant you hit castle age. SLs are better than knights at fighting off the spear line so they can make an early castle cav raid last longer and cause more damage. You can either transition into Keshiks once you have a castle up, or you can keep them as part of your mounted army, maybe as protection for the cav archers. That leaves your Keshiks free to go on the offensive. Haven’t played Tatars much but that’s how I use steppe lancers normally

[@zeroyuki92]

You can also try to mix them, let Keshiks in the front to soak the damage and SL will bonk from behind

[@Bloodark124]

My own experience with Tatar - Turk's HCA still reign supreme. But Tatar HCA beats Mongol's HCA due to fully upgraded where Mongol's lacks armour. Castle age CA vs Mongol's CA is lots of back and forth. I think Tatar is slightly at a disadvantage since they don't get their bonus until you get a Castle, where as Mongol's will have theirs once they get their thumb ring. Don't know about vs against Mangudai though but I imagine you lose 1v1 but OK for cost effective trade. Also, Tatar is one of the best for rush CA in early castle age due to free thumb ring. It still fire slower than Mongol's CA, but instead have much higher accuracy, meaning if you go head to head vs other CAs, try to fight at longer range. All you need is then research arrow upgrade and get ballistic. Tatar's HCA can trade nicely with standard civ's Arbalests (1v1, but not cost effective), but I'll still avoid Skirmishers and let Light Cav or SL deal with them. While Light Cav and SL deal with Skirms and Heavy Cavs, HCAs snipe enemy's camels or pikes with your CAs. I don't know how well Kipchaks do against all the HCAs so can't comment. Never used them. Keshik helps fight long term with the gold generation. Building them as soon as you have castle and have excess resources is great. But SL is the one that will hold the front line for you due to the +1 range. While CAs soften up armies at range, SL tank and deal the last damage to kill units if they get too close to your CAs. Knights are only used if your enemy gone a bit heavy on Feudal archer/skirm push and you need a few knights to kill those pesky archers/skirms and then turn the table and raid with them until you get your CAs and Light Cav counts up. You use knights because much higher hp. I would get Cavalier if I got a number of knights already when fighting against Mongol's Hussar/HCA mix as that combination struggles against Heavy Cav. If I don't I think Keshik is better to fight against Mongol's mix. Tatar SL vs Mongol's SL is much like Tatar's CA vs Turk's CA - you'll loose. Goth spam or Eagle warriors your only hope is get Hand Canonneers, since Tatar gets them. With all your gold spent on HC you can only make Hussar for meatshield. Vs goth you should be raiding as much as possible to avoid letting them get their spam. I think Tatar is the only one of the 5 CA civ that gets HC (Magyar, Mongols, Cuman nor Huns get them). So actually Tatar is much better at dealing with those civs. This is the same vs Malians as well, as CA don't deal a lot of damage vs Malian's infantry either. I find that it's actually better you drop CA and switch to HC if you see enemy go Huskarls, eagle warrior or Malians infantry, only make a handful for raiding only.

[@felipea1399]

I think that one small thing you missed at defenses is that Tatars have a huge advantage at defending castles and bombard towers thanks to their trebuchets

[@phillmoorewot]

They now have a another civ bonus - Every new Town Centre that is built, 2 sheep are spawned. This starts in the Castle Age. Thoughts?

[@directrulefromgamerchair3947]

Taters review, by Ramsay: "IT'S FOOKIN RAW YOU HORSE ARCHER"

[@dontspikemydrink9382]

Ok fascist

[@SIGNOR-G]

@@dontspikemydrink9382 you mean based

[@dontspikemydrink9382]

@@SIGNOR-G whateverbthat means

[@ruthlessgriz3340]

Tatars right now has been alot of fun for me to play as with that long range Treb that no one expected to reach their castle. Plus the cav Archer blob is insanely good for team games. I've led top score multiple times because that castle age boom is so strong

[@eitanetz2541]

Flaming Camel: only exist for the meme. SotL: keeping his voice serious when saying they can be used if you hit 4 elephants.

[@JoKad17]

I recently viewed a video on war elephants and apparently flaming camels have been used against them irl: they did not in fact explode, they would just run around on fire, freaking out and screaming during their drawn out and horrifying death, all of this while smelling horribly of burnt fur and meat. This would be kinda bad for human soldiers morale, but for a war Elephant it would have been absolutely terrifying and the poor beast had a fair chance to freak out and start trashing around, possibly trampling it's own army. There you have it. That's the real history of this funny unit :)

[@darkdill]

Pigs were also a good counter to elephant charges. Their high-pitched squealing would terrify elephants. Set the pigs on fire and the smell would make it even more intimidating.

[@yiyoascen]

I always give a thumbs up to Spirit's videos before watching them, I just have the certainty by now that it's always quality content.

[@Manouil_III]

11:45 : Thank you for calling Aztecs, Mayans & Incas "American" civs, because I'm fed up of that mistaken "Meso" civs (since the addition of Incas to the game, which is not a Mesoamerican civ like the other two, it's a South American one).

[@planescaped]

_clicks video_ _ctrl+f "sauce"_ _80's computer kid thumbs up_

[@edwardwilkinson5827]

The “kenobi bonus” had me😂

[@XMehrooz]

Man it feels so good hearing the full SOTL intro with the DE upgrade instead of the shortened version. ^_^

[@rodrigotolosa590]

Idea for a follow-up of the elevation bonus video: If I am on the lower ground and I want to take the engagement no matter what, is it better to stay still but start firing right away or to send my troops up the hill while taking fire until I am on the same level as my opponent?

[@The_Room_2_Doggys_Revenge]

i feel the newer civs since African Kingdoms haven't reach the level of the Conquerors and, somewhat, HD civs, probably because the best bonuses (gather rates, unit discounts, hp boost on melee units...) have already been given to those older civs, and the newer ones often have situational bonuses

[@T2266]

What about Cuman and their feudal age town center?

[@The_Room_2_Doggys_Revenge]

@@T2266 once again it feels too situational, once you're in castle age, you can't use that bonus anymore, you actively have to make use of that bonus, while Celts, Turks, Mayans will keep using their bonus for the rest of the game

[@CrnaStrela]

That means they are learning, Malians and Ethiopians first release was ridiculous.

[@ParamecioLord]

The last time I was this early Flaming Camels weren't a meme.

[@mistermaster256]

KZbin ads: "Their unique unit is actually a cavalry ARBY'S ROAST BEEF SANDWICH"

[@mackycabangon8945]

.... what?

[@mistermaster256]

@@mackycabangon8945 I edited it so it makes more sense XD

[@karnazacss]

Each of your new civ overwievs is better than the last one. I think you should do a new overview of the civs you did 3/4 years ago. The updates make some of them totally different aswell.

[@Turgon92]

"What are you doing,step-Lancer??"

[@Epifairos]

Also known as the Kenobi bonus. Nailed it :D

[@metaalloy2131]

Your ability to pan thru commentary, comedy, and criticism in one breath is astounding. Ty for the pointers on Tars as well!

[@prastavanasumit4871]

I am liking your videos but you have not put the Cumans overview In My prospective so please put the Cumans overview

[@siechamontillado]

Who else thinks tartar sauce when they hear "Tatar?""

[@louisemmanuelmorente3978]

You mean the sauce from the gunk in our teeth?

[@onetrucksizedsalmon2962]

@Louis Emmanuel Morente dammit

[@kirkmack1992]

I like the look of their buildings that and their campaign is really fun

[@carrots1550]

Belly button civs. I don't know whether to groan or giggle. :P

[@Tudsamfa]

You can say all you like about how you don't want to hear about Keshik-economy, there will be 1 guy in the comments saying you should use elephants instead of fighting keshik vs keshik. And then I will tell them that he is stupid, for Teutonik knight vs kehik is the best method.

[@DidYaServe]

Tatar army comp of Kishek, cav archers and steppe lancers is a thing of beauty.

[@loweloking88]

Is that actually good though? Steppes are so expensive for their low hp is gross

[@squatlebherz4434]

"Maybe I'm being overdramatic but its a C" Settle down there bud

[@helloweasel1295]

Countering them is pretty easy, just get a mouth wash that says "Tatar protection"

[@natee7683]

@ 14:00 Correction needed. Buildings don't benefit from the +25% uphill bonus.

[@dontspikemydrink9382]

They do nate. They do

[@ageofempiresamonguscountry3120]

Hey I don’t think that the tartars infantry is a f because they have all the infantry attack upgrades and the halberdier upgrade . Their infantry are super bad but the infantry should have a c or a c- .

[@Volcano4981]

Ditto. I would swap their monk and infantry scores.

[@RobertoLee09]

Special nominated to Tatar: the first civilization to get F rating in tech tree analysis by SOTL

[@dontspikemydrink9382]

Not true. Watch his other videos before commenting

[@thescribe509]

Goths defences

[@Volcano4981]

Aztecs' late game navy or Turks' super late game archers (or really, trash units in the current model) are also an F.

[@nickerickson7902]

9:15 flaming camels, the most Florida unit in the game

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

And thus the best

[@MrDanish6066]

So happy to see Civ Overview back! Please do more when you have the time, can't get enough of them.

[@shinkiro403]

11:40 aw man, you gave Persian's infantry a C and Burmese's archers a C-. *A C-, TO BURMESE ARCHERS!* SotL gives no Fs, SotL gives no Fs! BWAAAAH!!! >X'(

[@Volcano4981]

Burmese definitely deserved an F for their archers there, I am terribly sorry to say. They can pull off an okay rush thanks to the wood upgrades, but they are severely lacking in every age. No Castle or Imperial armour upgrades, their Elite Skirms get beaten by Turk regular Skirms fully upgraded, no Thumb Ring, no proper archer upgrades, crappy cav archer line and their would-be Fragile Speedster/Glass Cannon Arambai are just not great... If anyone deserved an F for archers, it's them. Persians however are good with that grade, because while their swordsmen line units are infamously poor, they do get FU spears. Maybe C-. I would also swap Tatars' infantry and monk scores. Sure, they miss on a lot of armour, but having Halberdiers at all is deceptively useful and 2HS can still work as a counter unit on occasions. They can also pull off an okay MAA rush, which should also give it some bonus points. Loads of civs terrible with a group of units have that as their saving grace, like, again, Burmese and Aztecs with archers.

[@saccaron]

"Kenobi bonus": instantly killed me!

[@SlimyGreenSlime]

You know I just noticed that even the "Goth Game Plan" in the intro is also HD Definitive.

[@njdutoit]

The Tatar Unique Unit should have been the Plague Catapult, a siege weapon that fires diseased livestock to poison enemies. It would have been true to life.

[@stormrunner4081]

A weaker mangonel that has damage over time that could actually be an interesting unit

[@horner385]

I am Romanian so I must dislike this video for my Moldavian brothers and sisters

[@dontspikemydrink9382]

??

[@Trastoto17]

How can we convince spirit of the law to reconsider about his A,B,C,D opinions? :joy:

[@ercaner_buzbey]

I noticed something. You are forgetting trebuchets and its upgrades when rating siege, that should be a sin becuase they are the mastery of the siege engineering in mediavel times.

[@fo0l913]

He gave out an F in the grading!? Spirit, what’s goin on man? Everything ok at home? You doin alright?

[@Weldedhodag]

the way I look at their siege unique tech is that it allows the units defending the trebs to stand even farther away from castles, and makes it take enemy units even longer to actually reach the trebs, making them easier to take out since they have that much farther to walk if your opponent is really trying to focus them down

[@enrique16ish]

Tatars: Welp, were a trash civ >ALSO Tatars:HOW DO YOU TURN THIS ON

[@firockfinion3326]

>Cavalry archer civ >SOTL's intro cinematic starts with a bunch of cavalry archers getting destroyed by onagers.

[@loweloking88]

I like to go scouts and xbows harass in feudal. Defend till castle. Once I hit castle, I switch to CA and Steppes/Camels (depending if they go spears or knights) and seige with some keshik. I think it’s important to mention that once you hit castle, you won’t need scouts and Xbows anymore. You basically just all in there at mines and farms till your core army gets built up.

[@thellamaqueen4270]

Tatar is my favorite of the new civs, since I do love me some good cavalry archer

[@Gigas0101]

Mr. of the Law, could you see if these guys could possibly have the fastest dark age in the game? I think they might be able to go up on herdables alone, and that update that gave them two free herdables with each new TC is a power spike and a half.

[@3munchenman]

More food on herdables is not faster to get to feudal. Hunt and fishing is faster than herdables

[@TheAngelRaven]

I have never played AoE in any form, yet here I am watching videos on AoE2. Nice content.

[@HECKproductions]

so they have argued since rise of rome way back in 1998 that camels are good against horses because horses dont like how camels smell can someone explain to me how the horses disliking the smell translates to the horses being injured more when a camel explodes?? {i know its a gameplay thing and not meant to be completely logical but it makes literally no sense at all}

[@HandsomeGamerGuy]

Same reason a Samurai deals more damage to "special" Units

[@davidharris3728]

What is tatars, precious? Po-ta-toes! You know, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.

[@Boethion]

Now that you mention it the hill bonus is absolutely meant for treb wars since you want to place your castles on hills anyways and they even get +2 range from their unique tech, so its far more useful as a siege bonus.

[@RealKangarooFlu]

First like and comment 😉 Great analysis as usual, Spirit! We need more of these updated civ overviews. This one was very well done! Side note - when are you facing off with T90 Official?

[@stooge_mobile]

You have bested me, sir. i hand my "first" comment crown to you. For now.

[@HazmanFTW]

Yes please! SOTL vs T90

[@unbakedsky4627]

11 hours ago??????? The vid came out 4 mins ago.

[@nevem526]

@@unbakedsky4627 it's bug. Correct is eleven minutes

[@HazmanFTW]

@@nevem526 it's not a bug, it's Patreon early access :)

[@PJOZeus]

Curious how much of the win rate is bad players or people who don’t fully understand the civs and how much if it is being weaker compared to other civs

[@ikeaspiringpolymath]

"What's Tatars, Precious?"

[@BrendanBomanTheSwagnificent]

Greetings from Malaysia uwu

[@Avinash_Lincoln]

Elephant Archer: finally some Monks I can handle. Tatars: Flaming Camels. Elephant Archer: Bruh! seriously?

[@diogenesofSinope87]

All the details you put in the description is really nice. You do excellent work keep it up!

[@micahbush5397]

5:11 "In preparation for this video, four years ago..." That's some dedication, doing research for videos of civilizations that didn’t even exist in the game yet.

[@XempireX18]

most of the civ bonuses are only good for the early game raiding. that's why they have higher win rate early on and low win rate later. sucks.

[@andrewquilpa4901]

Their newest bonus, spawning 2 free sheep every time a TC is built, is fantastic for castle boom. Also, Silk Armor now gives +1/+1 armor to hussar, steppe lancer, and cav archers, making a bit tankier now. Tatar fully upgrade heavy cav archers get 6 melee armor!

[@ImRandomDude]

Sorry but I cannot finish this video, Im on 10th minute and was already interrupted by 6 midroll ads +2 at the beginning. I guess new youtube default opt in is working wonders for you, but your content still interesting tho is unwatchable.

[@dragondragon5437]

Great civ.. Why is weaker than others?? UU cost gold half than Knight and overeated paladins.. Camels plus good CA great civ