Do champions counter trash units?

[@christopherg2347]

When the Champion gets a "pay food instead of gold" Bonus: "You were supposed to defeat the trash, not join it!"

[@jon3s3n94]

You've become the very thing you have sworn to destroy!

[@vorschlaghammer9888]

I made this Civ with Japanese Attack Speed and Goth discount. But AoE won't let me upload it for some bizarre reason.

[@harz632]

Teutonic knight wouldn't even notice "Wait you weren't a trash unit before?"

[@potatoesandducks958]

Champion: Then I shall use the trash to destroy the trash

[@axelrose6902]

I love the star wars reference ;)

[@Metroyeti17]

I like how all the patreon names were totally benign and then you just slid "Ilicktoesatnight" in there like it was no different than "Brian"

[@georgehornsby2075]

Teutonic Knights are the ultimate trash killer, they just have to catch them first...

[@Weldedhodag]

We'll get them!... Eventually

[@30Salmao]

The idea is to get them in the wall, what is more common when your enemy can't micro their units all day long (always the case in late game). I found some of this the other day in a 3v3 match when I was killing tons of units with my TK + trash uniits agaist pure trash.

[@SolusEmsu]

Just get some rams to use as cars! xD I love the Teutons and that is one of my favorite strats with them. Vroom vroom

[@theprovost]

Teutonic Knights + Siege towers = the Teutonic Ferrari

[@matthiaswoelm]

@@theprovost Teutonic Porsche makes more sense actually ;)

[@EaglebeakGaming]

“80 farm hussar beats everything” - Hera

[@tvremote9394]

"Civs that have hussar are A+, civs without hussar are F-" -hera

[@rensis1621]

@@tvremote9394 Also Hera: Magyars D tier

[@helaba2957]

@@tvremote9394 Also Hera: Chinese S tier

[@jeroen92]

Goths: Why hello there!

[@limonbattery]

@@tvremote9394 *Koreans and Ethiopians start laughing at Chinese and Malians*

[@fafofafin]

You can also just sprinkle a few pikemen with your champions and they will ram through the hussars. You already have the buildings and the blacksmith upgrades.

[@princecoconut9357]

I can't be the only one who always envisions the champion as a preppy dude with a sweater tied around his neck as if he's going to play some casual golf with his buddies?

[@DarkOmegaMK2]

yes

[@lone5463]

You probably are. But I love the imagination

[@BlueShellshock]

I was actually thinking American football-style jersey and shoulderpads.

[@BubblewrapHighway]

Totally!

[@VJnarcoticvizion]

By reading your comment I just realized that ive had that image of the preppy dude champion in my head for decades, but didnt know!

[@MiniMackeroni]

Malay: Allow myself to introduce... myself. Sidenote: The two-handed swordsmen have some crazy expressive animations.

[@Imperiused]

Two-handed swordsmen also look cooler than Champions, so there really isn't any downside with the Malay

[@fishcakes755]

i read your comment in scruffy's voice

[@RedShocktrooperRST]

What do you know, the Malay are really good in a melee. I'll see myself out.

[@Rob9]

Only two things scare me, and one is goldless two handed swordsmen.

[@NorthingsDellas]

@@RedShocktrooperRST but... Its not pronounced that way though

[@MrToreyama]

I haven't played in two years now, since the birth of my son, but I'm still getting all the new patches and expansions, and most importantly - devouring each new video from spirit of the law.. Preparing, plotting for my long prophesied return to Arabia.. And what a glorious return it will be

[@Aynshtaynn]

How disappointing would it be if you were to lose your very first match 😅😁

[@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y]

@@Aynshtaynn Statistics say he will.

[@gadgetblitzs]

You missed the 2 golden years of aoe !! You will meet many more sub1k elo masterpizzas !!!

[@AlexWithington]

Would like to hear how ya stomped your first few opponents mate :)

[@cacobutignol8516]

I clicked this video quicker than a mongolian siege ram

[@nvmtt]

tbh....thats still pretty slow. even mongolian siege ram is just a ram

[@erhembayarbanzragch379]

Ha weak, i clicked faster than a mongolian siege tower with infantry

[@themettking]

Weak, I’m playing 256x mod. Just give me some time to train up villagers, go research my age advances, build a castle, and spend the next year researching drill while strip mining and clear cutting the land

[@theprovost]

@Edu you've never heard about the Teuton ferrari?

[@spencereades]

@@nvmtt The Mongolian siege ram is as fast as a Dark Age scout, iirc. Edit to add: if it is fully loaded with infantry, of course.

[@harooooo1]

I hope people dont conclude from this that Hussars actually counter champions in low gold situations because the champ player can easily add pikes from the same building champs are made.

[@pedrofelck]

And the same upgrades from the blacksmith

[@NeonLine]

yep

[@-Raylight]

*"I'm the Trash Man! I come out, I throw trash all over the- all over the ring! And then I start eatin' garbage! And then I pick up the trash can, and I bash the guy on the head."* _-The Champions, probably_ Always love when SotL is using all kinds of calculations to figure out whether they're useful or not. And they said math is not useful xD

[@IllyrianTiger99]

I wanna see how many people will get that reference ;)

[@namechanged1]

Math is always useful.

[@andrewjohnhodge6599]

Elite Eagle Warriors: Ahyaaahhhyaaaahhhyyyaaaahhh we're the birds of war now! Don't you mess with our eggs! Caw Caw Pigeon boys Caw!

[@mattbogen6452]

@@IllyrianTiger99 I just watched that episode last night, lol.

[@IllyrianTiger99]

@Emperor AlHasan it's a reference to It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia I'd reccomend that you start watching it( of course if you are into dark humour that is)

[@aarononon]

I was with you until the final 30 seconds. You only looked at individual champions in that section, but if you had taken the time to look at groups of say 25+, or terrain variations, overall army composition, or unit voices per civ, then your conclusion would have been much different. Please amend this in a follow up video

[@SpiritOfTheLaw]

Yeah, that part was too rushed in retrospect. Purple or yellow champions can be good sometimes - they're just more situational.

[@ateium2409]

Patron detected

[@furkansaryerli]

Orange sucks in general

[@aarononon]

@@furkansaryerli tell that to the Irish in 1690

[@PolanaAnurag]

@@furkansaryerli I don't hate Orange in general. It is just too difficult to see on mini map. 11

[@toastybatch565]

The other benefit of champs is their replacement of siege. Arson champs bring down buildings very fast. So perhaps gold savings from not needing as much siege can be counted.

[@Avohaj]

Glad you adressed the important Fashion of Empires meta at the end, it's really under represented. I don't fully agree with the verdict, but if it gets the conversation going, it's good.

[@olivertate4983]

'Whether the aesthetic of the Champion actually works with our civilisations colour' 😂 man knows

[@madswipe4419]

Could you imagine if it was on an actual battle field and a guy with 30 javelins in him came running at you, not gonna lie I wouldn’t fight I would run FAST

[@JarlFrank]

Happened in the crusades with the muslim bows not being able to penetrate crusader chainmail + padding beneath. The crusaders had dozens of arrows sticking in them but kept advancing, because the arrowheads just got stuck in their armor without going down into their bodies.

[@varunmanjunath9123]

@@JarlFrank Oh wow, that is terrifying lol. When and which battle, if you remember it? :)

[@JarlFrank]

@@varunmanjunath9123 There are mentions of it in various chronicles. This is from the memoirs of Lord of Joinville: "and whilst the Turks were fleeing before him, they (who shoot as well backwards as forwards) would cover him with darts. When he had driven them out of the village, he would pick out the darts that were sticking all over him; and put on his coat-of-arms again... Then, turning round, and seeing that the Turks had come in at the other end of the street, he would charge them again, sword in hand, and drive them out. And this he did about three times in the manner I have described." The muslim chronicler Baha al-Din describes the crusaders such: "drawn up in front of the cavalry, stood firm as a wall, and every foot-soldier wore a vest of thick felt and a coat of mail so dense and strong that our arrows made no impression on them... I saw some with from one to ten arrows sticking in them, and still advancing at their ordinary pace without leaving the ranks." Got it from this article about the protectiveness of mail: myarmoury.com/feature_mail.html

[@varunmanjunath9123]

@@JarlFrank Ok, this is legendary. Thanks for the detailed references! :D

[@kristinneinarsson1722]

As a viking fan, I would find it interesting to know how chieftains champions do against hussars. My gut feeling says they are extremely versatile unit that feels safe to patrol into any army that doesn't have arbalest or close to even number of heavy cavalry.

[@SIGNOR-G]

Add to that the extra HP and we may be looking at one of the best champions when it comes to antitrash

[@Paintplayer1]

I would love to see even a short follow up video on this topic. I don't play vikings often, but I did the other day and chieftains made them feel way more effective against cav, which I know is the point, but I'd like to know by *how much*, SOTL-style

[@SIGNOR-G]

@@Paintplayer1 does chieftain effect the spearman?

[@Trastoto17]

It's easy. Think your viking champion with +8 instead of +4 when facing cavalry. In other words, they become aztec champions with keeping their hp when facing cavalry. The best champions in the game to counter paladins too, you won't go wrong if you massive champions in order to counter any cav civ

[@afz902k]

Yeah, and how about gargland wars jaggos?

[@davidboyeswahn4654]

This channel is like a drug. And I'm addicted.

[@sauravtripathi4128]

Actually the role of the champion is to counter Camels and Eagles too. The latter is pretty obvious, but people forget the former. My Tatar Enemy was making Heavy Camels and Elite Skirmishers, so I switched to my Lithuanian Champions and he was bamboozled having no answer to my single unit composition.

[@johnmcdonald736]

Tbh says more about your level than your enemies. Tatars have great answers to Champions in arbs or particularly HCA

[@Natedawg1998]

A Tatar player, making Heavy Camels and Skirms? He already lost

[@sauravtripathi4128]

@@johnmcdonald736 tatars don't have arbs, and I already crushed his Hussars and HCA with my Paladins

[@Bloodark124]

@@sauravtripathi4128 But they have HC. But how they managed to lose their camels while you fielded paladin is a world mystery I guess

[@sauravtripathi4128]

@@Bloodark124 oh no, he killed my Paladins with Camels. After which I switched to Champions. Yeah, he didn't use HC, weird!

[@hallben371]

My interpretation is that the transition to trash units usually occurs before gold completely runs out, which would give a timing window for champions to be strong, provided you can make the switch, and that if you have a couple of relics, mixing in a few champions isn't the worst use of that gold.

[@firockfinion3326]

"Sire, we cannot afford to field champions!" "What? Why not?" "We are orange, sire! They would look terrible!"

[@bradeye1133]

Lmao, tbh purple be the best

[@firockfinion3326]

@@bradeye1133 Purple's actually my favorite color, yeah. XD

[@christopherg2347]

"What will be worse, Soldier: Wearing orange the rest of your life - or being killed by someone wearing orange for the rest of their life?"

[@Oberon4278]

Orange is for Aztecs. Monks look great in those saffron robes. And of course Aztecs come with champions, so...

[@nicolasaraya5963]

I got used to be orange when playing mongols because of the campaign...

[@Marius2Rocker]

I'm loving how "favorite color/cooler looking unique unit" is becoming a staple metric for this channel.

[@kristijan8518]

I don't even play AOE2 and I love watching this guy. His videos are so chill and calming, oh ye and quite mathsy

[@_Egitor]

I thought this was a good analysis but bringing the aesthetic question into it really pushed this well into excellent territory. Thank you for your insights.

[@robertlewis6915]

Kudos to SotL for saying that last patron's name without altering his tempo. Also, SotL should reach out to the Metatron to do a Sicilian's history review, given Metatron's latest video features AoE2 Sicilians.

[@pentbot]

Did not notice that the first time!

[@Hennu_TRM]

"Do I have access to a cooler looking unit?" That's where Malay two-handed trashmen _really_ have the edge.

[@Jondiceful]

At the end of the video, I was expecting to hear "We are the champions my friends..."

[@joshuaphillips3999]

Probably copyright stopped it

[@michaelandreipalon359]

"We keep on fighting to the end!"

[@AlexMathiesen]

14:03 "I lick toes at night" lol

[@criter96]

It's ok. That's a cat

[@sidarthurgortimer355]

That one wasn't actually the name of one of his patrons, it was just a confession he slipped in there.

[@madil2259]

@@sidarthurgortimer355 yup

[@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y]

He's actually paying to hear SotL say it

[@MagicOmelet]

I somehow can't get enough of the HD-Pictures of the untis

[@misteral9045]

REEEEE Spirit dunking on the Royal Purple. My champs deserve to look like champions. I'm glad that you took a more in depth look at this topic, "champions are trash killers" never totally sat well with me, especially against hussars.

[@MiniMackeroni]

SOTL has been made an enemy of the viewers this day.

[@davidbeck79]

good video like always!

[@HansLemurson]

13:47 I'm glad you brought this up. Too many analyses completely ignore this factor.

[@ranianfibio8107]

13:50 This is the kind of analysis I like to see. Fantastic.

[@schmid1.079]

Pro tip: stay at Long Swordsmen. They look cooler.

[@rps215]

Actually I wish they have unique skins for units in each of the civs' subtypes just like buildings, but then some units needs to be renamed

[@Sange4499]

I'd love to see a video about how you prefer to lay out your military buildings in your base and your thinking behind it

[@jackcharlesdoublebassist3617]

SOTL: “the champion and halberdier share basically equal resources after...” T90: “SSSSUUUPPPPPLLLLIIIEEEESSSSSSSS”

[@troydowns7748]

We need a video calculating when to do each of the eco upgrades with the new Burgundian bonuses. Keep up the great work!

[@willdbeast1523]

vs hussar I think it would be nice to see how different ratios of champ/halb or champ/pike perform cost wise since mixing in a few pikes/halbs makes them MUCH better vs hussar, but without insane micro it doesn't have too big a detriment in the other 2 matchups

[@jorgeuribe8890]

i really hope for a video of that

[@30Salmao]

This was the best counter video you done so far. Love it. I always missed this comparison with the scenario were you are creating the units. And is nice to see also the fights being done agaist 1/2 he biggest army and then the other half come along some time after (or with 1/3 at a time, or 1/4, there are many scenarios that would be nice to see). Maybe we could play with some graphs like that, even with the same unit composition just for the base line and then with other units. Teuton knights in the scenario are awesome (I tryied with friends other day) since they rock with little numbers. One observation: The Champion vs Hussar comparison is a bit odd since you always can make the pike line in the exact same buildind, but since you can have the champions already trained (or even you want to fight hussar with halberdier mixed-in), the data still usefull overall.

[@muhammadwasim52-e26]

Your videos are so much informative even small things are explained. Well done. I like you voice too. Keep it up!

[@raspootin7555]

Does spirit of the law ever do a tree hp video?

[@ateium2409]

Yes , it'll come just after the supremecy movie and it'll be 40 mind long .

[@jorgeuribe8890]

@@ateium2409 how long till the supremacy movie is realesed?

[@Tocaraca]

@@jorgeuribe8890 Yes

[@ateium2409]

@@jorgeuribe8890 25 years i guess .

[@benjamingouchie6379]

wow this might be your best video yet

[@jesseirwin2607]

Hahaha when the 3 x’s come up when he says color - hilarious ending! Love your work

[@DjAtmaWeapon]

This one was really nice! Pretty hard work! Good job!

[@mubashirulmoula1798]

How long it takes to convert a Sicilians Light Cavalry with First Crusade and Faith researched and they have a Teutons ally?

[@youmukonpaku3168]

long enough for the lcav to kill your monk.

[@markdowse3572]

@ 13:51 THAT is the jewel 💎 of the video right there, Mr SoTL !!! 🤣🤣🤣 Seriously though, another superb display of research and insight into this incredibly complex and amazing game! 👍👍👍 M 🦘🏏😎

[@platnum128]

Love the color considerations at the end. Makes the vid.

[@OriginalMasterChafa]

Also I consider champions because of their +6 bonus damage vs buildings (4 native +2 from Arson tech) so that when you defeat their trashy asses, you take down their buildings.

[@ramosfelipe]

Man would be nice compare champz vs teuton halb(+2 melee armor) and slav halb(druzina)

[@ethribin4188]

3:30 Even more, assuming bothsides have no army, same amiunt of buildings, and looking at both units's training time, the halbadeer never gets to his critical mass that he needs to beat the champion. You cant outproduce champions with halbadeers. Only, you can make halbadeers for longer. Which as we just saw, loose if they dont bring their full numbers advantage to bear right away.

[@funny_liquid7111]

Something to remember: not every civ has fully upgraded Champions and not every civ has fully upgraded trash, the tests vary even more depends on what you have and what you're facing. But using this Video numbers you should usually be able to figure it out for yourself.

[@martijnbouman8874]

Good point. And the effects can be big. For example, if your civ lacks the final infantry armor upgrade, your Champions take twice the damage from FU Skirmishers. I wonder how the test against skirms would look like in that situation.

[@limonbattery]

@@martijnbouman8874 I dunno about skirms, but missing plate mail leads champions to lose to hussars 1 on 1. I remember this distinctly from a test by MikeEmpires with Goth champions and it really started getting me to question the usual advice of training champs as trash killers.

[@megamangos7408]

'No purple champions' And here I thought you had good tastes!

[@gibbeldon]

13:46 - Crosses out the colors I like best D:

[@teddyhaines6613]

The big thing you didn't cover was upgrades. In the qualifiers for Hidden Cup 2, Fire faced Jordan in a Hideout game where he had 5 relics and an overwhelming gold advantage after having mined out a huge amount of Jordan's gold, but Jordan was able to push back with full trash and siege rams. Fire tried teching into champions to stop the trash push, but unfortunately, as Indians his champions missed the plate mail armor technology, reducing their pierce armor from 5 to 3. As a result, Jordan's Chinese elite skirmishers did 4 damage a hit instead of 2, allowing them to mow down the champions with ease. Seemingly small differences in the tech tree can overturn these dynamics really easily.

[@marshallpaliga322]

Wow. That's a great video! Learned a lot.

[@twitchsopamanxx]

Im expecting one day for SOTL to start a video and then in the middle say "But first, lets talk about parallel universes"

[@Trastoto17]

I would like to comment. Thanks for the video, I actually needed something like that since I love the fact of using champions in order to help cavalry or elephants when facing enemy halbadiers, this video really helped me out. But I wanted to point out 2 things. The first thing is that there's 1 Militia-line civ that counters roughly all the trash units on the game (maybe the genitor and the xbow not rlly, still really matched) and this one is the bulgarian. It's really true, this requires Bagains and it's a IMP tech, still, it's the best solution for any of the trash units even further, and no matchup for any other generic champion. I'd like to consider that Malay and Bulgarian 2-h swordman is much better than generic champions, or even better than the best champions at cost of their being really specific (no gold or so much armor). Also, the only unit that can counter trash units are champions. Unique units (except huskarle, tarkan, konnik and Serjant) are made in castle. Those others are not only made in castle but you won't really use any of them (maybe except serjant) because they are not cost effective on the long way. If you rather want to go samurai because it's cooler, attacks faster and moves faster, it's good, but the gold difference will become and edge. Being outnumbered and not just by resources it's also a thing to consider when playing against masive trash units, this is the hidden powerspike that trash units have and you confirmed it on ur videos. Unless you are bulgarian, you can't beat those halbadiers at once with 40 champions. So it answers the question: Yes, they counter trash units, but they are the most effective to counter them too. And yes, Teutonic knights are countered by running away and reach their eco before they reach yours hahaha.

[@knights162]

Just an idea to level the videos up even more. Once you do a few video with the added layer of population, looking at whether or not a 120 vill eco could actually sustain that production of both sides would be interesting. Adjusting based on unit would be nice as well, e.g. cheaper unit needs less vill thus bigger army. Thanks for all the info, I hope this doesn't come off as demanding, just an idea to make more videos should you struggle for video ideas in the future.

[@zswords]

I think the value for Champion against Hussar isn’t in raw numbers, but being a soak that utilizes the same production and upgrades as Halberds, so that the frail halberds have more time to do their work without getting as shredded by skirms.

[@Xenotric]

wow why the dunk on the purple champions! they look great!

[@Angrymonkey2489]

2:00 I don't understand the conversion and how the market works. Are we selling 100 each recourse to get the 14% valued gold?

[@sephyrias883]

07:18 Thing is that if you have trade and the opponent doesn't, you basically won anyway and could be spamming knights into halbs too and would still win.

[@micahbush5397]

I'm disappointed that you didn't show us how the Guilds technology impacts the match-ups. Does the improved exchange rate significantly improve the champion against trash units? By how much? How many champions would one need to make in order for the technology to pay for itself?

[@ottokarl5427]

I think the biggest problem of the Champion as a trash killer is how expensive (and time-consuming) the tech is, if you haven't invested in it until the end. It is the longest tech-line in the game, so worst case scenario you have to make four techs until you have the unit you want

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

I keep wanting to use swordsmen but this is one major issue. You don't tech into swordsmen, too much delay, too many upgrades.

[@thevillager6816]

Video suggestion: which military creation sound is better? AoE1 or AoE2...

[@JamesBond-lb3yr]

Answer: AoE3 :)

[@MannElite]

Nice! Can we do Melee Units 1v1 comparison? Champs vs Woads vs Samurai vs Teutonic Vs Karambit vs Jaguar vs Elite Eagles vs Shotels vs Flemish Militia vs Huskarls vs any other infantry I forgetting, not ranged ones like Axemen though

[@TheKlabim]

7:36: triumvirate? Cue: Hallon by Christian Bjoerklund

[@m13579k]

13:39 This is the most important question of the entire video. If you are playing Teutons and are not flooding the map with teutonic knights we can't be friends.

[@Garroburg]

I think the persian thrash bow is a great non gold intensive way to support your paladins (or elephants if that's your kink) against spears

[@Calebgoblin]

The aesthetic argument is the real important one here, straight up guys

[@casusincorrabilis1584]

I only miss the advice to save your gold for siege in trash wars. As you need it anyways to kill your enemy (except you have great success with hussar raids). And the conclusion that champs are a great trash counter in the lategame, but not necessarily in trash wars (except you have a big gold advantage like 4:1 relics or so).

[@ioplop2943]

God damm, that grey champion looks great. Probably the best unit if you are playing with that color.

[@braveheart4946]

We need the same video, this time with winged hussars :D

[@fiable262626]

Saracens get surprisingly good post gold champs due to their market bonus!

[@Jaxtor1]

LOL! I love the ending.

[@VeniVdVici]

I think you should take a look at what defines a "counter". There are a bunch of options: Is it a unit that beats another unit easily? Is it a unit that nullifies the usefulness of another unit? Is it a unit that is cost effective against another unit? Is it a unit that is population effective against another unit?

[@drujo25]

Are you familiar with Lanchester's Laws? They might add an interesting math aspect to your intuitive conclusions, especially with the melee vs ranged aspects.

[@sitrilko]

Objection! Purple Champions look cool.

[@Quincy_Morris]

I had almost this exact situation. I was Bohemians vs Byzantines on Arena and he just threw loads of cheap trash against me, I went champion (eventually, was 2 handed sword a while) and halb against his halb and skirm and eventually won even with him out booming me to an absurd degree, though at first he took my base with a castle drop, but I was able to reboom and win. I had to sell wood for gold. And noticed what you describe in this video where when I was outnumbered I would lose but when I could take fights where the swordsmen could surround it would work in the long run. And because I mixed halbs I was able to deal with the cheap halbs pretty well.

[@pranavpallekhi]

I have a video suggestion based on a question I've been thinking about. If you convert the starting scout of an enemy player, does it retain auto scout? I've been trying to figure this one out but it's kinda difficult to do in game.

[@jeroen92]

This is why you always mix some halbs in with champs.

[@TisTheWay]

I would love to see an updated version with the Dawn of The Dukes units included.

[@HassanAli-ev7lt]

Hey Spirit, what about Bulgarians 2 handed swordsmen with bagains?

[@ArsontAngelfire]

Please make a video on how the Teutonic melee armor bonus impacts matchups, especially for how it affects halberdier and champion matchups!

[@sinuosalice-1434]

Assuming that in a 1v1 both players are fighting in a post imperial age with no gold and no relic each (one is using full trash, one is selling for champions) is extremely specific and unusual. Still love the video.

[@kimckenzie6161]

Spirit dissing the other coloured champions, what a controversial stance

[@CornBredCrusader]

Good analysis as always from SotL, but a lot of the test are a bit contrived when compared to how a game will play out naturally. Champs are a great trash killer even against something like hussar because if you are already going champs you have the upgrades for pike/halb and are likely playing a civ that will want to play champ/halb/Siege ram. And it needs to be said that if you are only starting your champ transition when there is no gold on the map and the market is bottomed out, that you are not transitioning correctly. Lastly, champs may be a "great" trash killer in team games, but you should ask yourself why anyone is going trash in a team game when double gold comps (knts/xbows) are significantly more powerful and cover the others weakness

[@kitkup8570]

I agree with the last note, the color is the most important factor

[@StriKe_jk]

Im glad SOTL finally factures in the most important aspect of a unit: Its Style

[@antonbonin5003]

I legit play infantry civs exclusively because I think the Champion is the coolest unit in the game.

[@gelhardthemd8903]

0:55 The desync between animation and damage is still...strange. The Helberdier deals damage with every second hit. What?

[@KisukeDaveyJones92]

The constant production of halberdiers vs a initial amount of champions scenario was analyzed, but what about constant production of each one? in the limit population scenario

[@Tocaraca]

That test would simulate a real game scenario where neither player is actually pop capped yet, so the Halberdiers would win as they would consistently have 3x the numbers. You gotta build up your mass of champs to get the advantage from the popcap.

[@Notaflamingo]

10:42 while Japanese Champions are the best against the Elite Magyar Hussar, They also have access to the Samurai and the Halberdier, which counters it with hefty bonus damage

[@PJ-cu5od]

Ty for video!! Appreciate ya !!

[@seculartemplar5407]

When are we getting the Top 5 Navy Civilizations?

[@SIGNOR-G]

*ITALIANS* Portuguese Vikings Fill the rest

[@TheKobasen]

Italians Vikings Portuguese Saracens Spanish Honorable Malay, Koreans, Byzantine, Sicilian, Turks

[@SIGNOR-G]

@@TheKobasen exactly

[@seculartemplar5407]

I like the responses but I want the video essay format of Spirit of the Law.

[@SIGNOR-G]

@@seculartemplar5407 we all do

[@30Salmao]

Spirit, when you say "with trade" you factor in the difference between a villager gatthering food or wood vs this exact pop doing the gold generation? Because trade always have this oportunity cost into it since you are using the same pop space to have a trade cart (that we already know is very bad at production of gold if compared to a villager mining). Maybe this comparison would be nice for a future video.

[@robincheng2035]

Corollary: If the champion player is suddenly against hussars, what is the minimum ratio of spears/ swords he needs to change into to become cost efficient? If he doesn't have pike/halberdier, are those necessary? I'd imagine when someone already has all the inf upgrades, this switch would be pretty natural, just wondering if maybe sprinkling in the halberdier's bonus damage while champion melee armor kinda soaks the hussar's attack might make things interesting

[@Manntos]

From the creators of Fashion Souls it comes Age of Style.

[@justpassing2533]

Also For Fashion (for honor)

[@leaguesmanoframsgate]

Excellent video! Buuuuuut there is one thing you missed out. What about the Vietnamese Imperial Skirmishers?

[@Pangui008]

I was about to ask the same...but I guess there's no much difference with Elite Skirms

[@krystofcisar469]

they dont have +1 attack dont they?

[@Phazur]

A good trick in endless 1v1 games is trash wars is to save some gold and make 40 champions to create a snowball and get momentum. Also works even better with teutonic knights or throwing axemen