Spitfire F Mk.24 In War Thunder : A Basic Review

[@TimsVariety]

Incase you're curious why some of the direct-hit smacks in the footage only caused sparks or trivial damage, or if you don't know what that "realshatter" thing I mentioned is, here is an explanation. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKfGoH2sZrqam9k Note that it has since been patched to increase the minimum number of fragments, but the basic mechanic still works the same way and still sometimes results in this spitfire's cannons feeling like biplane MGs. In fact, this exact spitfire is one of the planes I used for the example footage of realshatter in action ....

[@_ace_defective_]

I have heard guns are bugged again, they were working fine with the last major patch because the fragments actually did what they were supposed to do but they broke the fragmentation again lol Like genuinely, last patch after they put out the fix to realshatter, the guns were quite good imo. Now though they've effectively undone that patch.

[@TimsVariety]

@@_ace_defective_ It wouldn't surprise me one bit.

[@kimjanek646]

@@_ace_defective_Guns are totally fine. It’s just than 20mm HE rounds don’t hit like 30mm anymore so a plane doesn’t disintegrated after getting hit by two 20mm rounds. The problem with Hispanos is that SAPI rounds are bugged and just explode like HE rounds on impact but deal very little damage overall. The belts also suck since air and stealth don’t contain any AP rounds. You just need to actually hit components that you can destroy with 20mm rounds instead of spraying and thinking that’s enough to take down a plane.

[@MDzmitry]

Regarding the 20mm damage to fuselage, it's not supposed to rip planes apart to begin with. Cause critical damage to modules? Sure. But wings flying off is primarily a possibility when the spar is destroyed. And for Hispanos with underperforming SAPI shells any module damage is nigh impossible to accomplish from the majority of engagement angles. Here's a good video example showing a Vampire get blasted with M39. Pay attention to the amount of hits on the tail/fuselage and wings: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmqQf4KNYqmoldUsi=dl6ctSgWAv4yaDCq P.S. - Don't get me wrong, the target Vampire would be dead af, but primarily due to direct cockpit hits and the fire caused by them.

[@CatWerfer]

I really like the black outline you put on the vehicles in the thumbnails, makes them pop

[@TimsVariety]

It was suggested I try to make the vehicles "more visually distinct" from the backgrounds, so thats what I settled on.

[@ODST_Parker]

​@@TimsVarietyLooks a bit odd to me, honestly. Not sure how one can make a plane more "visually distinct" against a sky... thought it was pretty distinct to begin with.

[@ale69420]

The Mk22 and 24 are some of my favorites planes! Thanks for the review Tim! I'm still hoping Gaijin someday adds "the spitfire gone too far" Super marine Spitefull and his sea variant the Seafang, super props in the jet era.

[@woutervanheusden]

Man this really was my fav prop way back. I remember getting the final emgine upgrade and it feeling like an absolute ufo

[@Android_ELITE]

agree with the comment about its usefulness in ground rb; used to run it in squadron battles back in the day when it was 6.7, and the combination of decent ordinance and godlike flight performance meant it was the perfect fighter bomber to fly out in support of the dedicated attack pilots

[@haroldine9838]

I've fought this thing a few times in a P51H, and it has turned into a very interesting dogfight!

[@sherlocksinha2435]

Usually the advantage lies with the P51 with WEP , even the F2G has a good chance of smoking one

[@haroldine9838]

@sherlocksinha2435 yeah think a lot of the time the winner will be the one who has the most energy to begin with. Still think the P51H is underteirred at 6.3 though... I'd argue it's just as good as the Spit Mk.24 which is 0.7 br higher

[@sherlocksinha2435]

@@haroldine9838 oh yeah the P51 H is undertiered as hell

[@commandoepsilon4664]

@@haroldine9838 Well the Mustang doesn't need to pay the British BR tax that Gaijin imposes on a lot of their stuff.

[@kazline1455]

One thing that holds me back from flying this ks how easily it snapstalls (since i fly sim) And thats an issue i have with most spits, my muscle memory just isnt set to fly something that requires a gentle touch like the spit However great review, lot of stuff to remember for when u merge with one

[@benfennell6842]

Set a sensitivity curve specifically for them and remember to account for the prop twist in slow turns and you'll be grand. All the spitfires go sicko mode in sim.

[@kazline1455]

@@benfennell6842 i probably could but at the same time, i feel it'd be unnecessary to switch my controls specifically for one family of aircraft when i can fly everything else jsit fine, I'll play around with it tho and maybe save it as a seperate control sceme

[@benfennell6842]

@@kazline1455 it only takes 5 seconds to change because of WTs control layout saving system but I do understand its a hassle

[@kalui96]

I don't have it yet, so I don't know from first hand experience, but I heard from every source that this thing is a beast

[@TimsVariety]

Total beast.

[@Kraleon3558]

I love my Mk. 24, and was flabbergasted to see after returning from a break from the game that it got moved up to 7.0 from 6.7. In practice the Mk. 22 was probably better tier for tier especially when it was 6.3, but I still remember being proud of myself all the way back when I first unlocked the 24. Like you mentioned, this thing rules in ground battles and is my go to choice of aircraft in the 7.0-7.3 range; enough experience with all the Spitfires combined means my bombs rarely miss. I used to go with the Vampire with its closely positioned RP-3s, but well, Gaijin decided that thing belonged at 8.0, so Spitfire it is.

[@mbravos]

I dont really play air RB, but this plane is a monster for air superiority in ground RB, a few months ago managed to get 6 air kills on a single match with it (without being shot down). Also, great choice of skin!

[@Datroflshopper]

Super interesting - I basically ended up skipping this one since it's too tempting to use jets as soon as you get the chance, but now having unlocked the UK tree I'll definitely check this out

[@tomsmith7207]

I feel like we just got a Tim’s Variety review, it feels like Christmas! Thank you!

[@RX552VBK]

I love all my Spits. As a kid, I had a model of one (had no clue of its histor) but I cherished that thing. Like now, as a kid, a thought the name "Supermarine" was so cool. lol

[@solvdev]

the hispanos are comedic - not your gameplay, but they fire so much faster in real life, seeing the shots come out once every second is funny to me. Manoeuvre kill was sick though. Probably my favourite plane in real life so thanks for covering!

[@williamspencer1978]

One of my favorite planes to fly even if it is overtiered

[@adwai1h653]

Woohooo Tim covers my favourite plane :D

[@ClockWork-zj7zy]

Been waiting for this one for a while, one of my favorites in game! Thanks and have a good day Tim.

[@edugon3c]

real big day for a guy like me who asked for this :3 thank you very much

[@gliderfs621]

Ah yes, the REAL prop that eats jets for breakfast 🥞

[@samuelschmitt7068]

God, I love this plane in ground rb.

[@zanaduz2018]

This is a beautiful propeller-driven plane - unfortunately, the uptiering kills its replayability. The P-51H and F8Fs are both equivalent, but are tiered better (6.0 for the P-51, 4.7 and 6.3 for the F8F-1 and -1B respectively). For Griffon-powered Spitfire variants, the Mk XVIIIe is in a much better spot, as are the Griffon Seafires. The Griffon Spitfires do have a handling difference compared to their earlier Merlin-powered cousins; the Merlin planes are less nose-heavy and will pull tighter. An easy comparison point is to take a Mk XVI and a Mk XVIIIe out in sequential matches; you’ll feel the handling differences (though they are subtle). Ground RB is the best place for these nowadays. GRB pilots tend to be hyper-focused on the ground and oblivious to air threats.

[@teetasse4012]

Yess there is my Spitfire mk24 video

[@MDzmitry]

If you ask me, RealSh*tter is not to blame for the damage currently. It was indeed a shitter from march to mid-summer with bugged fragmentation and cover damage, but then they started overperforming, *all* 20-mm cannons. Currently HEs are fine, the problem arises from SAPI again. It got kinetic damage model alongside the SR.379 incendiary some time ago, but it retained the very old HE-model 0.05mm fuse sensitivity. So from the six it's quite painful: - HEs no longer rip and tear off tails with a short burst (which is believable, again) - SAPI detonates wherever it connects instead of performing as, well, a SAPI. In fact, while in-game it has such high sensitivity, IRL it had no fuse with the AP cap installed in its place. The shell only "detonated" after suffering enough structural damage from the contact with armour or sturdy enough modules. I made multiple reports regarding the SAPI with 2-3 sources each, and they were sent to the devs, no progress in sight though. P.S. - and the filling is 3g of SR.379 instead of 9 or 12g (depending on the model of the shell). Doesn't really matter since it's not really explosive, but it's a meme at this point that Gaijin can't get the shell right.

[@kimjanek646]

Hispanos with working SAPI would slap super hard. It would just take 2 minutes to change a few lines of code. Also sad that apart from US .50cals and early ShVAKs (found on two planes) no other guns have ammo loadouts based on time period.

[@MDzmitry]

​@@kimjanek646 From what I saw, AN/M1 and M2's historical setup is 100% HEI, so Stealth belt. As for MG 151/20, I saw a round-up document saying that the usual against fighters was FI-AP-Mß (Universal belt if memory serves me right), and against bombers it was FI-AP-3 Mßs (that would be Air Targets belt).

[@kimjanek646]

@@MDzmitry The US pretty much only used their 20mm Hispanos on the P-38 which also had 4 .50cals. Making AP pretty much unnecessary. Not sure about the Navy planes but the AP they had also had a very different trajectory compared to the HEFI. After the War, when 20mm cannons become standard, new ammunition was developed that had similar velocities and trajectories.

[@MDzmitry]

@@kimjanek646 also it may be good news, but literally the same day I made this comment one of the reports (with which mine was combined in terms of problems and sources) got accepted. So the hope still exists.

[@kimjanek646]

@@MDzmitry That’s incorrect. Late war German 20mm belts consisted of API-IT-HE for the fighters in the west and API-IT-3xHE in the east. The general idea is that small fighters are easier to destroy with Mineshells while larger planes and 4-engined bombers are better to be attacked by incendiary ammunition. That Germany used more Mineshells, specifically against bombers is incorrect information puplished by a British War Time intelligence report. It’s the same document that says that the US only load HEI ammunition for their 20mm cannons.

[@connla]

years ago war thunder's squadron battles was locked at tier IV. Meaning you could take any vehicle up to tier IV but not beyond it. During this era the spitfire mk24 was kingmaker. Of an 8 man team half of them would be in mk24s (max allowed in aircraft) and they would sweep away enemy airforces before using the rp3s to pop all the ground forces off one by one. It was every squadron player's go to vehicle and the reason it rose rapidly up in BR is primarily because of this. Every try hard in a squadron was told to fly exclusively this plane and be perfect with using the rp3s on it for killing king tigers and t29s. Squadron battles changed a lot since then, but whenever it pops into the BR range that the spit mk24 is in, it would be rolled out again in mass. Pretty sure most old top players have it spaded and talismaned and thats why it has never really moved down in BR because a chunk of the players who fly it are real early try hard war thunder players.

[@Sagaleon14]

SPITFIRE REVIEW?!?!?!?! LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! EDIT: You should consider reviewing the best Spitfire BR for BR: the LF Mk. IX.

[@TimsVariety]

I'll get to it eventually :-)

[@benjaminofuasia9236]

Lowkey gonna steal ur review style, and use it for motorcycles. If I ever do film a proper video, I'll be sure to link you in the description as a source of inspiration

[@fred3965]

TIM I was just asking defyn to do a review on this plane im glad you did one haha

[@TimsVariety]

I live to serve.

[@kimjanek646]

Hispanos have very high muzzle velocity and flat trajectory. If you are 400m behind a plane you can just point your crosshairs directly on them and your rounds will hit, while other 20mm guns require adjustments for the shell drop. When both planes are diving down you need to aim way lower compared to other guns that will automatically hit low because of their worse shell drop. One issue is, that with the guns mounted in the wings, your rounds are probably not hitting where you want them to hit unless you are at the right convergence distance. ShVAKs allow you to aim your guns at the center to hit engine and pilot regardless of distance.

[@TH3BUSHWOOKI3]

Got my second highest kd in this thing, but easily my favourite thing in the game

[@nukefish2295]

I love boinking jets in my Spitfire

[@chicken5432]

REALLY good plane but the guns feel like mgs against jets Also in my 300 games in the spitfire 24 only gotten 4 downtiers

[@commandoepsilon4664]

I'm surprised Tim was even able to get footage of a Mk 24 in a down tier.

[@nikolasdesillas2349]

Hey man i only need 25k rp to unlock the mk 24, though as you said i have seen many talk

[@nikolasdesillas2349]

About the constant uptiers. So....do you reckon i buy the previous version, the mk 22 that sits in 6. smth BR?

[@Ausf.D.A.K.]

I love this plane. Too bad it's overtired and for some reason it doesn't have the mk. V Hispanos.

[@errornamenotfound2513]

Brigand Bomber pls? It's very rare to see it (despite being a TT Plane) let alone someone making a video about it

[@TimsVariety]

I'll get to it eventually.

[@commandoepsilon4664]

I'd love to use the Mk 24 in GRB, but it takes so long to unlock any of the upgrades since I only ever get up tiers. It's mostly just me flying around 15km away from the rest of my team hoping there will be something for me to do by the time I actually get to the enemies.

[@mbravos]

Try playing a couple of Air Assault matches, it's a chill way to grind the basic components (like belts and other ordnance).

[@commandoepsilon4664]

@@mbravos That's a good idea, Thanks! Honestly I constantly forget that game mode even exists. 😅

[@onezerotwo]

Have been flying this thing this week again! I absolutely love it. Should it be lower BR? maybe? can it handle 7.0? Easily. Easily. What a beast. Hi-spark-Os are trash it’s not your aim.

[@TimsVariety]

I've considered running one of those custom-language-packs that changes the text for "hit" and "critical hit" to both just say "#RealshatterMoment" ....

[@AdmV0rl0n]

I still roll with the 1A. Its climb rate is really good at the BR - and remains better than many later spits.

[@MDzmitry]

I'm personally a sucker for Mk.IX, both F and LF. Nice weaponry, good enough performance with better potential for energy fighting, killer looks.

[@AdmV0rl0n]

@@MDzmitry The MK IX has arguably been stated as best Spitfire. It retained the 'nice' handling of top end Merlins, and did not have the savage handling of the 5 blade Griff engine. And it was a scratch hybrid made out of bits to provide an answer to the FW190. And - kzbin.info/www/bejne/hp2kqWlmoq-ebas

[@EagleFighterJet]

good video

[@riley8038]

I just got it yesterday and I was really happy but I got sad when I saw there is no camoflage/skin that you can get for it bc the one you have looks cool

[@TimsVariety]

The one I'm using in the review is in the game.

[@riley8038]

@@TimsVariety thank you so much ❤️

[@f4mmer540]

Can you do the seafire FR47 next? Most sexy plane with that contra rotating prop in the spitfire línage

[@TimsVariety]

It wont be next, but I'll get to it eventually.

[@f4mmer540]

@@TimsVariety plays much more different then other spitfires since it is very heavy

[@Ghost1828]

Of your master RP3s life is perfect

[@mutingp]

U should check out the hornet mk3

[@TimsVariety]

I'll get to it eventually. :-)

[@Eintracht-uy3cz]

I don't get the hype. Whenever I see one in my Me 262, it's basically a free kill. Whenever I see one in my Ouragan/Mystere, I just don't bother with it, I rather conserve my energy since I know this thing will go down eventually. Perhaps it's because I really did not enjoy flying Spitfires myself or because it's so out of place. I guess it might be good against other props.

[@IShallRuleTheGuitar1]

Hey tim, what are your graphics settings? I would love for my game to look like yours!

[@TimsVariety]

I'l make a post about it at some point, its a mix of medium and high

[@ZeePanzer]

the only plane that can keep up with this spitfire is the P51H (if it still has Wep that is) the F2G doesnt come nowhere near its performance.

[@DieErsteKartoffel]

The P-59 is clearly the best prop

[@Slayer_Jesse]

as for highest br prop thing: That might be true in realistic, but in arcade there's the KI-84 Hei with 30mm at 7.7, and a turbo prop A2D-1 attacker at 9.0!

[@manuelhenao8453]

It used to have hispano mk V, so sad

[@ethanwhitney6168]

OP af, like the whole plane series.

[@asiancar2232]

Can you do a review on the Bf 109 K4?

[@TimsVariety]

I'll get to it eventually.

[@thickboi7570]

Virgin F-84 vs chad spitfire 24 enjoyer

[@c3geekyo713]

That is some fancy shootin Tex. I am not sure you could hit anything with the 20's. 😂

[@jamiebeggs9194]

has this plane been changed to a 6.3 br

[@Clearviewcleaning-q9v]

How do you get that paint job ?

[@landedcreator194]

nice

[@hiphip4808]

Funny you post this, Doctor MD posted a Mk24 spit video not too long ago.

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

What are the other 2 best props then?

[@nodubstephere1008]

Swordfish MK 1 Swordfish MK 2, probably

[@TimsVariety]

Po-2, and Po-2M, obviously.

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

@@TimsVariety 🙄

[@JimmySaulGoodmanMcGill1960]

the highest br prop in war thunder is actually the latest ki-84 for japan, as it has a whopping br of 7.7 in arcade battles

[@wMars.]

very good plane. also very sexy hahaha

[@gangsterwafflesthe7th508]

good review, but watching that aim is painful...

[@TimsVariety]

In all the time I've been playing WT, I've never been able to hit the broadside of a barn with those Hispanos ...

[@Clearviewcleaning-q9v]

How do you get that customization ?

[@TimsVariety]

The paintjob? I've had it for a while, I don't remember, it might have just been a regular achievement unlock.