Spittin' Chiclets Gives Their Thoughts On The Don Cherry Firing

[@jackmcdevitt1486]

3 guys with different opinions and they handle it like adults. How it should be.

[@Secretservice709]

Jack McDevitt we should elect them to office lol

[@heisenberg4180]

Seriously, nowadays if u have a different opinion, ur gonna get torched

[@starcraft1980]

Get Don on the pod

[@adamfyten6169]

starcraft1980 please

[@FoieGwa]

1On1 Lost Temple?

[@theipadboi5181]

@@FoieGwa NR 15 min

[@MattMlcc]

that would be jokes lmaooo

[@seancccccccc]

First they came for Don... Chiclets watch your back...

[@gladiatorgrit]

Biz is a lot better spoken than I originally thought, keep giving us your real opinion buddy.

[@AaronCanb]

"Nobody is going to understand each other if everybody is going back and forth pointing fingers at each other" 100%

[@jimfile7158]

Grinnel & Biz nailed it.....Whitt missed it. Always want one dissenter to create a good conversation. Any old school hockey follower loved Cherry. Unfortunately Cherry's best before date expired 10+ yrs ago, Biz captured it better than most. Can't be on his pedestal and get away with that kind of xenophobic rhetoric Cherry was inevitably gonna go down.....he likely regrets going down on the relatively lame comments by his standards......kudos to Sportsnet for having the balls to do the right thing..... Cherry likely wished he'd gone down in bigger flames Kinda reminds us of Trump and his rhetoric.......not good for the US or Canada!!! Loved your podcasts with Tocchet......best ever!

[@DChappelle27]

They all had solid points, and goes to show that many people have differing opinions, and sometimes you just gotta move on and not have such knee jerk mob reactions to every little thing people say. Like George Carlin said. "My opinion is that youre not entitled to your opinion and its wrong" Opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got one, and sometimes they're shitty.

[@donjonsen5295]

@@DChappelle27 Hey kid,the Carlin quote is..."My opinion is you have no right to your opinion..."

[@poodtang2104]

Agreed.

[@ryanclahane6318]

Every year, coach's corner would run that exact poppy segment. Never ever did I think that exact same segment would get him fired down the road.

[@DrDisco-vu8jt]

Ryan Clahane so fuckin true!! every single opportunity Don Cherry had at saying younger generations, immigrants, etc. werent involved enough in demonstrating their patriotic sentiments, he took them. Every year it rubbed me the wrong way, because as biz said, i dont need to wear a poppy to appreciate veterans, but ill be damned if this deserves being fired.

[@5150roze]

Dr. Disco it’s just annoying those young people growing up now are completely spineless and whine to get everything they want

[@ryanclahane6318]

@@5150roze Agreed. People have a right to voice an opinion. I have no issue with that. My issue is that corporations and sponsors give those opinions power. At worse, people who make 'insensitive' or 'racist' or 'sexist' remarks, are trolls. The cancel culture of publically shaming, calling for job losses and boycots is just pure evil.

[@ryanclahane6318]

@@DrDisco-vu8jt as many people pointed out, he has said worse things and SINGLED groups out like Russians and Francophones. Here, he grouped everyone together. His heart was hurting and his intention was about poppies and not attacking immigrants. I think all the regulars watching, saw it as Don being Don. Whereas the cancel culture, who don't watch are the vocal ones and as usual, get their way which is job less and no income for someone and their family.

[@5150roze]

Ryan Clahane couldn’t agree more bro. It’s just a shame not much can be done at this point with the levels of corruption on both sides of the political spectrum.

[@missdesastre]

Biz is quickly becoming one of my favorite personalities in hockey media. He was very thoughtful in this and I loved what he said at the end. I agree, if we want to change things we need to have levelheaded conversations with people on the other side of the argument. The problem with cancel culture is that it’s just people screaming at each other and “cancelling” someone doesn’t change the underlaying issues.

[@Brotha00]

F that, check yourself. You go all racist, and lose your job.

[@MagikMikeOFFICIAL]

Solid take by Biz here. I feel like for the most part, both sides have been really annoying on the events that transpired but Biz gives a well-balanced opinion.

[@poodtang2104]

Agreed.

[@kirktuss4819]

Do your parents know you're gay?

[@natebrewster9708]

Don's heart was in the right place, but he does stumble on his delivery at times. I'm glad Whitney mentioned what a positive force for change he's been. How many causes has the guy championed over the years? How much money raised? Any discussion involving Don's character has to also include the body of work he's done for the people of Canada and hockey in general. "And I want you kids remember..."

[@DiscoParachute]

"keep yer stick on the ice"

[@brianeleighton]

I agree that I do not believe Don is racist like people are accusing him of. However, I believe a large amount of those leveling that term at him are doing so without an understanding of the word. Racism has become the catch all term for bigotry, xenophobia and/or racism. They are conflating Don's extreme xenophobia with racism...they are not the same thing. Don is "racist" using those people's definition against white people too. He friggin HATES on European players and Francophones.

[@threethrushes]

Don kept me on my toes. Sometimes I agreed with him, more often, not. He is a fossil, and a loud and vociferous one at that, tilting at windmills and hitting the mark 50:50 in my book.

[@jasondashney]

@@brianeleighton Exactly! Also, Don's soften a LOT when it comes to foreigners. He's stroked all sorts of foreigners in the last few years in Coach's Corner. The racist thing is sooooo disingenuous. He kissed the first Muslim NHL star, (Kadri) on the air, and loves PK and Simmonds etc. If you play with a bit of an edge, he doesn't care what your skin colour is. (he'd prefer you to be Canadian though, haha)

[@CYQT]

“Don’t go changing, do it your way, go down blazing” - Don Cherry Thumbs up Grapes !!!!

[@sotahullu1]

@dave sagar yeah and made a shit load of money while watching all the best hockey in the world for 40+ years at the side of that.i think he dosent give

[@liammiddleton3064]

Fuckin eh right👍🏻

[@vrob7]

Whit is bang on

[@RockinStevieD]

Trudeaus blackface was in the past, so it’s not comparable or a double standard. People aren’t calling on cherry to be fired for comments in the past. It happened now and times are changing.

[@pierredubois3845]

bang on trash cans ya Astros fan? #cheaters

[@mooseyjuice6t9]

"Whit" is an idiot with a combined 7 toes on 2 feet useless pylon.

[@thejkyle]

RockinStevieD who cares if it was in the past? What kind of logic is that. What Cherry said wasn’t offensive and a majority of Canadians agree. Covering your body in dark brown paint to mock another nationality? That’s offensive.

[@colinrussell7194]

@@mooseyjuice6t9 You're right. Whit's an idiot. talking out of his ass.

[@hattorihanzo2275]

I'm Offended is a profession now.

[@xBigBean]

This one might be a little different. I now a lot of my minority friends felt it was targeted at them and were hurt, but all but one of them didnt think he should have been fired...until they saw that clip of his interview from 1990 where he is full blown racist as fuck old man

[@xCestLaVie1]

Wasnt Don the initial person who got OFFENDED by coloured people? Dont be a snowflake.

[@Brotha00]

You sound offended

[@tricko2286]

Being tolerant means letting someone say things and shrugging it off even though you don’t necessarily agree.

[@NHLfan96]

YES. Snowflakes these days think tolerance means never saying anything that could ever offend anyone, literally being intolerant in the process.

[@Baychimo]

@@NHLfan96 Some do. On the other hand, there are people these days who think they can say anything under the guise of "free speech", without there being any consequences. The internet makes it easy for people to act like retards, so the pendulum swings from one extreme to the other.

[@Pandaluver67899]

That's such a white perspective

[@tricko2286]

Crystal No, it’s the dictionaries perspective 😂 tol·er·ant - adjective showing willingness to allow the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.

[@Pandaluver67899]

@@tricko2286 You don't practice "tolerance" when it comes to xenophobic or racist comments like this. Immigrants are dying in camps at the US border because of beliefs like this; don't expect you to care, but if I go on TV and say all white people are idiots and aren't jack compared to brown people, then white people better tolerate it?

[@dustinweber1945]

24:20 "I personally believe there is a lot more good people than bad people" - damn right wit

[@Forever-ry1nr]

My girlfriends grandmother said that exact thing today

[@kilakr13]

If only it were true

[@firebladeclements]

Don's everyone's grandpa ffs. If not in reality, at least he's taught us a lot. How to be a proud Canadian and to voice what he believes in. One of the few Canadian icons " to just say it "

[@street5725]

don said the same thing about remembrance day about 20+ years ago

[@BGGIEMAN]

Streetard not the same thing, very different

[@brodieadams7926]

Completely different bud.

[@street5725]

B0GGIEMAN101 similarities

[@zakerymyrowich7917]

​@@street5725 "20+" years ago residential schools existed in Canada.

[@ivozanette7010]

I agree completely different. We have a lot more snow flakes today.

[@KennyPowersGaming]

we gotta remember where he came from. Hes from an era where we fought 2 world wars. He lost family members, we grew up and live in a free world without the threat of being taken over by another country, his experiences are different then ours. We grow and Don cares about everyone, we just need to be like hockey players and toughen the fuck up boys and girls.

[@TheLegendOfLlnk]

The guy is 85 years old. What did everyone think he thought? Think about the time he grew up in.

[@5aturnia]

reid Harrington yeah I guess being 85 is a solid excuse for making xenophobic statements on national tv in a nation made up almost purely of immigrants.

[@dmil843]

@@5aturnia Yawn

[@s.5854]

@evan williams haha the good old days huh, when people of colour didn't have equal rights, when woman couldn't vote. Ah the good ol' days

[@poopcrust3400]

ssnnpp right, people want to call everyone soft because they can’t get away with the shit they used to.

[@5aturnia]

@Rick Gross actually Canada was uninhabited by humans. Literally everyone here can trace their lineage back to another region. Even aboriginals.

[@DeanYoungblood69]

Huge thank you to Whit and Biz. You spoke very well and eloquently to get across how the majority of us feel. There is so much backlash, and people are sitting on both sides of this discussion. But you two managed to show the common ground the majority of us Canadians sit upon. We love Don, he's been outspoken in the past, but he is most definitely not racist. He just loves hockey and his country to an extreme amount. But I wouldn't want to listen to anyone else on Saturday nights. He loves hockey, he loves Canada. He IS Hockey Night In Canada to a fuckin T. Ps we love Ron on. PEI, Guys a class act and he's kept don on track for a long time. Love ya boys, stay true

[@brianeleighton]

I love Don. I agree I do not think he is racist, but he for SURE is xenophobic. He has been that way his whole career. Hell, he is even xenophobic against fellow Canadians...the Francophones. I am surprised that this was what brought Don down, this is not even close to the Mt. Rushmore of offensive things he has said on air.

[@bigyeet3629]

Wow I really liked Chiclets take on this. Well said & very articulate.

[@Ace96x10]

Really? Wow, they sure are f*cking articulate in their F*cking speach as the F*cking ramble on F*cking on and on often F*cking rambling and F*cking overtalking each F*cking other. What a sad F*cking joke.

[@deeshmond]

Refreshing to hear an actual nuanced DISCUSSION about this whole situation. Outside of this pod, it's been nothing but hypocrisy and polarising identity politics. Well done, boys.

[@johnrabe3899]

I don't think this was balanced at all. These were extremely basic and ignorant points. A thorough review of the topic would include, for example, the work of Robert Putnam et al from Harvard University on Social Capital, historic rates of immigration, migration sources, historic composition of countries, the definition of a nation, and, yes, even genetics. No-one said it would be comfortable. The truth rarely is. This was just pablum from guys attempting to position themselves for Sportsnet jobs. Sportsnet made a clear statement of what it's official ideology is. Note the word ideology. That's different from truth. Cherry should educate himself more on the topic before spouting off his mouth, but he's aware there is an issue. Toronto's crime rate has been consistently and dramatically over historical averages from 1900-1960 for decades now. What's the difference? If it is migration, which is an honest point of discussion, the people that are affected by the higher rates (the old stock who are the victims in this case) deserve an answer. There should be no limits to the questions asked.

[@alexfrechette6830]

Great discussion folks! I’m french-Canadian and Grapes definitely pissed ME off one or three times. Yet it never occurred to me to start a petition to get him fired. Cuz I realize it’s not all about me and my precious feelings. We live in a society ffs the snowflakes have a long and hard road ahead.

[@tedjob21]

I grew up in NY, on the border of Quebec. I understand why you feel the way you do. People from Quebec have had a rough time being Canadian and there's friction with Americans as well, but hopefully we can all learn to grow.

[@thematthewparkerexperience6651]

Great respectful convo boys this reminds me of great convos I’ve had with some of the boys, I’ve met don when I was a kid and to me he’s not a racist but what he is, is old fashioned and passionate for sure

[@Skytographyca]

Hate to see Don go but Spittin chicklets 1st period intermission sounds pretty good to me

[@jasondashney]

Not sure CBC would like tales of getting fucked up on mushrooms, or puck bunnies who squirt a little brown while in bed.

[@wildgrem]

@@jasondashney They could tone it down a bit and just talk hockey. It would be great. Canada would welcome them with open arms....or at least the Canadian hockey community.

[@lancemilliken9078]

Jason Dashney they squirted brown?

[@TheFrank1221]

Someone give Don Cherry a Coach's Corner podcast already!

[@SPAMDAGGER22]

www.vancouvewww.vancouverisawesome.com/2019/11/18/don-cherry-podcast/risawesome.com/2019/11/18/don-cherry-podcast/

[@pjpredhomme7699]

he has one

[@princeofpop8]

I dumped Hockey Night In Canada for Don Cherry’s Grapevine podcast and guess what? His podcast is #1 worldwide on Apple podcasts in 2020. Suck it Rogers!

[@Anfernee3355]

This is so poignant and hits the nail on the head. Color me impressed.

[@huntsy6257]

I immigrated to Canada from the states, guess what not offended by Don’s comments, Crazy right.

[@ajayche6392]

Immigrating from the USA is barely immigrating my guy 😂

[@ktowniecity7269]

I'm offended for you and because you're not offended, you are a racist! SJW logic

[@jimhabsfan]

@ Huntsy: Consider yourself fortunate to be living in Canada.

[@huntsy6257]

Will Beatty oh I know but guess what he didn’t specify immigrants from where ;)

[@timoteojuans1964]

Its usually bored people who arent even in the group being criticized who are the most offended. Which is actually kind of prejudice because they make others feel they cant handle critique. Immigrants are welcome in Canada and they are welcome to speak, they are not marginalized or at risk.

[@CanPen92]

*sigh* RA infuriates me sometimes. Love the guy. But DAM man. Sometimes he makes no sense.

[@squish014]

Whitney couldn’t have been more right when talking about the double standard with the left in Canada

[@grenadespoon]

Sheldon Nelson not just in Canada.

[@chrisbawksL1]

The left are lunatics

[@kylefast9650]

The US is even worse then Canada. Just look at the Carson king story

[@JakeMCGreen]

Chris Rider See this is the issue with having a two party system. You can’t criticize one side without someone accusing you of promoting another side. I’ll condemn thin skinned, cancel culture, communist sympathizing whackjobs just as quick as I’ll condemn religious fanatic, hyper gun-hoarding, Uber racist psychos

[@jasondashney]

@Chris Rider Nope. Anybody anti science makes me cringe. Saying humans have absolutely zero effect on the environment is insane, just like saying that giving hormone blockers to 9yr olds is okay.

[@eitan28]

Excellent segment! I really appreciate you guys discussing this the way you did. I agree with everything Whit said and loved how you all handled the discussion. The taglines of Don Cherry calls out immigrants or is racist... are clearly blown out of proportion and unfair. Hypocrisy, double standards, overreacting, piling on people's mistakes, not accepting apologies are all real issues with today's society. Long form as you guys did is the only way to discuss nuances in a real way. Props for standing up to cancel culture and not being afraid of blow back from SJW's. Thanks again guys, love the pod!

[@rodgermcnabb5918]

Well said, Biz. Especially your comments about ending the finger-pointing and back and forth.

[@deedsmillar6056]

As a Canadian, I dont wear a poppy. The fucking thing is just a pin and it falls off or it ends up fucking stabbing you, however I do donate to receive one and thank the veteran for his service. So, I can tell you with certainty, just because somebody isnt wearing a poppy, has nothing to do with how we feel about our men and women.

[@zachgarner1174]

Whit for Prime Minister! (If he was Canadian) Well said Ryan! 👍

[@joshdelaet3536]

Nah fuck that. Whit for PM even if he ain’t!

[@joering4461]

..Don Cherry took at punch on the nose,..Canada's hockey,..Canada's military,..Canada's History,.and Canada's Free Speech ALL took a punch too!....from the "new world"..

[@evanwalsh8796]

This was a perfect response to this. Cherry is from a different time in history, but no way he cares about immigration he cares about respecting the past and what happened years ago and continue to do today. I see it all the time, people just don’t care about the past or remember what happened, its important. But the double standard exists

[@logansept]

Amazing discussion guys, and love how you responded to Jessica. Very mature

[@jaikohaal]

What bothers me is this is what Don has always been like. This is what we expect of him. I think this situation says more about people who felt “hurt” by this than it does about Don. It’s easier to get rid of 1 man, than to tell a group of people to be less sensitive.

[@andrewm4951]

You have to also remember. These older people grew up in different times then we did. Where sensitive people were not all over the place throwing emotions, and it was okay to have a different opinion. Don is don. Like you said, Sometimes he says stupid shit, thats just don. But thats also why everyone liked him. He wasnt afraid to say what was on his mind.

[@jaikohaal]

Andrew M agreed! Absolutely the case. I’m ashamed to say it’s people of my generation who are so sensitive about this. It’s also a fact that for the last few years, it’s sort of common understanding that he’s the butt end of jokes. We loved him and looked forward to his commentary but took it serious maybe 1 out of 20 times...

[@davidzahayko6768]

Good points guys

[@awfan221]

Sensitive mate? He was always on the thin line of xenophobia, but he kept it on a hockey level with the whole bashing of Europeans. In this instance, he said "you people come here, and enjoy our milk and honey." He was talking about brown/black/Asian immigrants was way too general. I still like Cherry, I don't believe he's racist, but he went over the line by pinning this disrespect and unappreciatiation on minorities. How insensitive do you want people to be???

[@FloridaHockeyFan]

The reason this show is successful is because people are capable of coming here and sharing "their" opinion to an extent. Don Cherry is a legend and icon in hockey. Im American and it upset me to see Don Cherry vilified and fired. "You People" need to understand what ERA mr cherry comes from. West vs East, Capitalism vs Communism. Don Cherry was raised in the cold war. Don Cherry is a patriot who loves his country and expects everyone in it, to love it as well. Unfortunately were witnessing a turning of the tide. Don Cherry was only trying to articulate his disgust for a generation and people who dont love and support those who sacrificed the most. We live in a world of cancel culture and ideologies. People are actually stupid enough to openly want socialism and communism here. Thank christ I live in Florida =D

[@gwest67]

You’re mistaken, Don Cherry himself said he was told NOT to respond. He was going to clarify the following week but was not given the chance.

[@ry4nx]

ryan whitney is the man. and also im glad don didnt fold under the pressure. he held his own and stood behind his beliefs. people are just sensitive now

[@awfan221]

It didn't warrant a firing offense. However, he did single out immigrants and newcomers when he said you people come here and enjoy our way of life. I'm a huge Don Cherry fan, but I was a newcomer too and I always wear my poppy. Infact, many of my Caucasian friends do not wear poppies. Was I offended? No, I'm not a leftie, but I was disappointed that he singled us out. Don has had interviews in the past where he clearly showed he was anti-immigration and pretty xenophobic (prejudiced against people from other countries), so this is nothing new from him. I think everyone should be wearing poppies, including Canadian-born people. Go to any University or government building in a major city and you'll see how many people don't wear poppies. As Biz said, Don is speaking from a Toronto context too so some people took demographic fact that many Indians, Pakis and Somalians are around there and formed their own conclusions about race. Now this I disagree with, the man is no racist, he's offended Swedes and Russians more than any other group. He's just a xenophobe.

[@dc013]

Respectfully, it is "righties" that are offended and bothered by people not wearing a poppy... Lefties are offended that he singled out immigrants (with his "you people come here....") and, in this case, they're right.

[@denmorin]

RA, ya gotta keep in mind that a pretty big percentage of people commenting, voicing opinions, "cancelling", and drawing the attention of advertisers are kids. Keep in mind, a shit load of kids are more aware of social media platforms than the adults who are responsible for them.

[@colemannation.]

Pardon me?? Im 46 year old Canadian, born and raisied and Im proficient in social media!! What a crock Den! The people who stand with OUR Canadian icon Cherry are the same people who are SICK of the hypocrisy and this isn't about Don Cherry saying 'you people' he said that EXACT thing in 1998 (look it up) and he NEVER meant minorities, he meantt ALL newcomers, OF ALL RACES who have NO CLUE what Canadian CULTURE even is because according to Trudeau Canada is a POST Nation State. We have NO identity. This is about taking out one of the LAST Conservative voices who says it like it is, OFF television. This was planned! So please, spare me the FAUX outrage and this whole podcast session was ridiculous! Falling into the 'cancel culture' culture narrative. Wow

[@denmorin]

@@colemannation. Funny, I agree with everything you've said. Even funnier how you've misconstrued what I've said.

[@troubleondemand7703]

@@colemannation. See, the thing is, a lot of people don't think coaches corner or hockey broadcasts in general should be political at all. Liberal, conservative or anything in between I don't care. Stick to hockey. If Don had done that, he'd still have a job.

[@kesler4245]

@@troubleondemand7703 Veterans > Hockey

[@troubleondemand7703]

@@kesler4245 I mean, they aren't really even comparable. It's like saying police are more important than baseball. There are plenty of places to go and hear either side of the political argument. Between periods of the game I don't want a lecture on correct pronouns or the troops, I want hockey commentary. I want updates not politics and a sports commentators opinions on them. I watch the game to get away from that shit for a while.

[@OskarWong]

I m Asian and I m “you people”.. I don’t think Don’s words were offensive, and I really understand why he said it... if you live in uptown GTA, you will know what I mean.

[@keithp2279]

Personally believe Dons statements where not wrong and their is a double standard

[@keithp2279]

And also the military he is extremely thankful for and it means a lot to him

[@js8805]

The statement is fine, it's how he arrived at the conclusion that prompted his statement that is the problem.

[@EVE101Patt]

the shown vid at 22:23 exactly proves Whit's point about double standards..

[@jasondashney]

Yeah she's ridiculous. She then didn't get why the outrage was there. It's like the progressives are genuinely blind to any viewpoint but their own, and too often their point is "Yeah but the ends justify the means and I'm morally right so nothing else matters (like hypocrisy)"

[@c.9914]

@@jasondashney People tell themselves a lot of lies to feel righteous and good- not just good, "better than". Brings that Huxley quote to mind.

[@ChuckBeefOG]

He said “you people should wear poppies” in 1997 too but no one freaked out then. 2019 sucks.

[@s.5854]

oh you didn't notice the difference? "You people who come here don't wear poppies" what people? It was obvious to pretty much everyone what he meant

[@ChuckBeefOG]

ssnnpp He meant the same in 97. He’s right. If your a new immigrant, you should learn the culture. If you dont want to support Canada, our values, or our Vets, you can leave. Dont let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. Its not a race thing, its a assimilation thing.

[@s.5854]

@@ChuckBeefOG lol that doesn't even make sense because he wouldn't even know who the immigrants are. A news flash, plenty of Canadians don't wear poppies, should we send them back to where they came from? Who knows you might be one of them

[@ChuckBeefOG]

ssnnpp I wear a poppy starting Oct 30 until Remembrance Day, upon which i go to the local Cenotaph and affix it to a wreath. I also keep a poppy on my sunvisor of my truck year round to remind me of our soldiers sacrifices. 90% of people in Toronto are “visible minorities”. When me and 6 of my white friends were there, we recieved many comments such as “you guys arent from around here are you”. We were a visible minority and were singled out. Discrimination works all ways. Regardless of your skin colour, wear a poppy or leave Canada. We dont want people like you here.

[@jasondashney]

1997 didn't have smartphones and fast internet. 2019 kicks ass.

[@carolmasse9702]

I am Canadian. Caught your pod cast for the first time. Don’t know your names but the second speaker swears a lot! Just a observation. When I was going to school we stood up in Class every morning for O Canada, Our Father and God Save the Queen. I stood with pride. That doesn’t happen now. Merry Christmas has been replaced with Happy Holidays. Cultural differences has made us change. We open our arms to immigrants. I am a supporter. As I am sure Don Cherry is. He just stood up out of respect for our veterans. Who made our country free. Anyone who feels that was offensive, should maybe think a little deeper here in Canada.

[@awfan221]

I'm a former immigrant (east Africa) and my family are very proud Canadians. I almost got into a fight with a Caucasian kid in high school because he refused to stand for the anthem while arguing with the teacher. My family always wears poppies. Go to any uni campus and government building and you will see countless Caucasians who don't wear poppies. I was a big Cherry fan, but he went over the line by saying "you people come here and enjoy our milk and honey" before explaining how these people do not appreciate "our" ways. In another interview, he even said he wished he didn't infer blame on just immigrants, and rather on all people who don't wear poppies. I like Don Cherry too, and I don't believe he's racist, but he stepped over the line. All these years my family respected the Canadian customs and traditions, and yet it's us who get called out for not appreciating Canadian culture? He should have called out everyone who doesn't wear poppies, and he admitted this himself on a different podcast

[@jaydenstrautman3672]

I do like RA but hes so off in this situation its unreal. Very clueless and his blog wasnt even close. Tough to watch

[@vestaxwax]

Apparently he's woke.

[@c.9914]

One minute he does stuff like this, then he complains about things being too soft, people getting easily offended, etc. A lot of people have to play the game to stay employed/relevant, but BS/SC isn't exactly congruent with that crowd.

[@chrisallcock8795]

Thank you gentlemen for not only expressing the level headedness and acceptance of everyone's point of view, but encouraging all to "keep it Canada" in their opinions and debating of others . Meaning of course calm and measured discourse. Amazingly encouraged by the content posted lads Keep it rolling... :) BC chris

[@danielmaloney766]

I'm going to listen to this podcast more after hearing Ryan Whitney today.

[@CanucksHub]

I really liked your guys' thoughts about the topic. I also liked how Biz talked about just because someone is not wearing a poppy doesn't mean they don't respect those who gave up their lives for our freedom. A lot of immigrants coming from India, especially in the Punjab region come from military families, if it wasn't their grandfathers fighting in WW1 or 2 it was their grandfathers brother fighting side by side with Canadians, so I highly doubt the absence means they're being disrespectful. I feel like if Don took an approach on informing new people about wearing poppies would it have been a lot better. Instead he chose a phrase the singles people out. He defo shouldn't have gotten fired.

[@bruins94laurent85]

This was such a great discussion regardless of what side you are on

[@ChuckBeefOG]

Its a discussion that shouldnt have even happened in the first place.

[@bruins94laurent85]

Chuck Beef that’s fair I was just saying it’s much better hearing two sides talk like normal people and not just scream and be bitter

[@ChuckBeefOG]

Aunt Becky Well one side did get fired, and the other didnt. Wasnt really a discussion, it was the left having their cake and eating it too like usual in my opinion.

[@bruins94laurent85]

Chuck Beef I was talking about them discussing it right here not the situation

[@jasondashney]

I'm actually glad RA is on the other side of the debate because I don't like echo chambers. I think he's wrong, but I'm glad they talked like adults about it all.

[@jordanweller7485]

Get Jess Allen on the podcast. I invited her to a game in Vancouver. I agree the best way to alter this is to represent the hockey community. Biz I think you would be a great ambassador.

[@aaronmichael7116]

Ya, Jess !! She said WAYYY worse ! And she said "white kids".

[@jasondashney]

@@aaronmichael7116 Worse, she said white boys. That singles out a race and gender. I agree though I'd rather her realize what she did was fucked as opposed to burying her.

[@SIoyvenheaven1T800m101]

Cherry did nothing wrong.

[@Boss302ATC]

Also, stayed till the end. Great, rational, respectful conversation between partys that all don't 100% agree. That is where we need to be in life

[@anais937]

I as an immigrant totally agree with don cherry. Don’t get someone fired because you don’t agree with what they say. What he said about poppies, is true.

[@awfan221]

Maybe for you. I'm a former immigrant and my family are very proud Canadians. I almost got into a fight with a white kid in high school because he refused to stand for the anthem while arguing with the teacher. My family always wears poppies. Go to any uni campus and government building and you will see countless Caucasians who don't wear poppies. I was a big Cherry fan, but he went over the line by saying "you people come here and enjoy our milk and honey" before explaining how these people do not appreciate "our" ways. In another interview, he even said he wished he didn't infer blame on just immigrants, and rather on all people who don't wear poppies.

[@anais937]

@@awfan221 shut uppppppp I literally said I agree with don cherry

[@awfan221]

@@anais937 Nah, public thread. I'll write what I want. Did you know that Newfoundland became a Canadian province in 1949? Also, contrary to popular belief, seedless grapes actually grow through asexual reproduction. And finally, you are either lying about being an immigrant to get likes, or you're a european immigrant (I'm guessing France?) or you're too dumb to understand that he generalized minority colored immigrants in his blame game for disrespecting veterans. 🖕🏾 I'm guessing that you're a Frenchie, which is why you aren't upset about this.

[@SensDzn]

Coaches corner was shown during three first period intermissions on that day. All go to intermission at different times, so only one could truly be live. So you'd have to assume it got passed the production truck as well.

[@MattMlcc]

whit was spot on here

[@nickstalker3254]

the problem with the internet is, its given everyone the illusion that their voice NEEDS to be heard.

[@KurdTillDeath]

Legit blown away by Biz's wisdom here well said

[@DownTownSports98]

Biz is such a beauty through this whole segment. His words in the last 5 mins are so progressive and proactive. Exactly the approach that we need more of in all facets

[@headsuphockeypodcast2707]

I loved watching The Wrath of Grapes: The Don Cherry Story. There’s a moment where the truck tells Grapes to stop talking about politics on Coach’s Corner about the war in Afghanistan.

[@robertc.7089]

I honestly can’t think of a time where I have disagreed with Whitney. He’s very practical and realistic about almost everything discussed on this podcast, Hockey or not.

[@canadian4168]

They waited to the next day to fire him on Remembrance Day this feels like a Attack on Remembrance Day to me. After that a man came to the next game with a sign that said :>I support Don Cherry

[@jonahthawne913]

CANADIAN 416 SN only announced the firing because Don was doing an interview with Joe Warmington the day after the firing (Remembrance Day) and it was starting to leak to the public so they got ahead of it and announced it. Don didn’t need to jump into interviews day-of if he didn’t want to take away from the day.

[@mowler8042]

Living in Canada the CBC (Canadian Broadcast Corporation) was huge and really important. People related to shows that showed pure Canadiana, its lost now people just don't know what was cool about being a Canadian I blame the internet.

[@Secretservice709]

Marty I couldn’t agree more my friend

[@swaggerjedi]

words of wisdom from biz

[@jamieward6866]

Agreed , the brains pretty good even after eatin a few 👍

[@adamosborne9440]

The sociopolitical is bloody gross these days. The media has given up any semblance of balance or honesty. Good on you guys for being normal, thoughtful, human beings who can have a discussion and not even necessarily agree with on another. Imagine that... Spittin' Chicklets being the voice(s) of maturity and reason. Actually, that doesn't surprise me. You guys fuckin' rule.

[@kolbeycam1328]

Don is GOAT

[@aryusure1943]

I shared some thoughts in 3 other comments but I forgot to give you "thumbs up" for this conversation. Well done guys! And it was a good point at the end about the need to take the time to break this event down. You pretty much covered all the "variables".

[@SuperOtis007]

Whit knows! Well said bud

[@seasonstudios]

Great talk guys but the bottom line here is Don not being allowed to speak his opinions without repercussions. SportsNet should have gone another route and had a debate with Don where both sides could discuss the possibilities of his comments but I think they were looking for a reason to get rid of him. As Jordan Peterson said, in order to have an opinion, one must risk being offensive. It's the way free speech is supposed to work. SporstNet has made horrendous mistakes before and they will again until it finally bites them in the behind.

[@spacedoutchimp4454]

poor choice of words but c'mon. 2019 everyone gets offended these days

[@theholodomorisnttaughtinam2796]

Poor choice of words - why? Because some Indian from Brampton or Muslim from Quebec got offended by it? Get over it, it's a privilege to immigrate and live here (yes, like my family did from Europe). Society doesn't owe these *people* anything for being here, and this country would get by just fine without them being here.

[@brianeleighton]

@@theholodomorisnttaughtinam2796 Ummm...maybe because the Indians fought in both World Wars. There are Indian and Muslim dead buried side by side with the Canadian dead at Flanders Field...the whole reason people wear poppies in the first place. I am guessing from your screen name you have Jewish Heritage. If I am correct, Indian infantry units were slaughtered fighting against the Nazis at Monte Cassino. Monty's counteroffensive against Rommel would have ended in failure if not for Indian Engineer units clearing paths through the Nazi minefields BY HAND. Maybe you should say thank you to them and keep your xenophobia to yourself.

[@brianeleighton]

By the way, the Indians were forced to fight by their colonial overlords, the English. Maybe that is why they do not want to wear a token of the group that forced their ancestors to fight? Just saying. Many Irish Immigrants also do not wear the poppy. They earned the right to choose, just like the Indians because they already paid for their poppy in blood.

[@theholodomorisnttaughtinam2796]

Brian Leighton the only xenophobe here is you, gringo. Now the caste-putting Indians are gonna lecture me about European history? What’s next, you’re gonna tell me that the reason why we won WWII was because of Indians participating? Many of them actually used the same means to turn around and fight the British and the West for their independence right after WWII. So let’s not do revisionist history, here.

[@theholodomorisnttaughtinam2796]

Brian Leighton beyond that, Indians from India didn’t contribute to the building of Canada as we know it today; the first immigrants from India arrived in the 1970s and 80s, hardly can anyone from that continent tell someone like, whose people have been here for 150+ years, that they’ve equally contributed to this country and that we’re all immigrants. Gotta stop seeing the world through the Varna lenses and wise up.

[@September2004]

8:15 Sigh... it's not a double standard. If Don Cherry had apologized, he would've kept his job. Ron Maclean apologized, kept his job. Trudeau apologized, kept his job. Jessica Martin apologized, kept her job. Don Cherry didn't, lost his job. Where's the double standard?

[@wannaberocker331]

The thing is there is a different between economic immigrants and immigrants who move to Canada due to persecution in their home country. Economic immigrants have no loyalty to Canada, they are their to make money. If the canadian economy tanks, they will go where the money is good. On the other hand immigrants who have come to canada due to persecution, i.e. the Saudi Lady who's husband was arrested in Saudi. Iv watched her interviews and stuff and that lady loves Canada for its generosity and freedom. Bottom line is Don was right to an extent, but should have clarified.

[@hdswizzle8751]

wannabe rocker but they both owe respect to our veterans, and that’s all don said.

[@EmDex34]

Thank you guys for keeping it real! I hope Jess takes you up on your offer

[@licmysak4130]

Give me a break sportsnet was just waiting for the chance to can him

[@brianeleighton]

If that was the case, they would have canned Ron too. He makes just as much as Don does if not more. It was a case of Don digging in at first and refusing to apologize...if he had even tweeted an apology right away (he has a curated Twitter account) he would probably still have a job.

[@licmysak4130]

Brian Leighton you shouldn’t apologize if you haven’t done anything wrong

[@brianeleighton]

@@licmysak4130 Well, thankfully that viewpoint is fading out. Singling out immigrants like he did is wrong. Especially when there are plenty of young Canadians who do not buy/wear a poppy.

[@licmysak4130]

Brian Leighton all he said was that you come to our country and enjoy our way of like you could at least buy a poppy for the soldiers who gave you that opportunity.

[@s.5854]

@@licmysak4130 he's complaining about immigrants not wearing poppies as if they don't have respect for Canada - how does he know whose an immigrant or not? It was a stupid and racist comment because there was no basis for it to begin with, just an old guy getting a chance to blow off his pent up racial frustrations. It was stupid and he paid the price. If he really wanted to honour the vets all he had to do is tell everyone to go out and support and buy a poppy because he doesn't see it as much anymore. Not just blame newcomers

[@jessbracken8943]

CANCEL “cancel culture”

[@jimbo3]

"It's like a fucking game of you're a bad person." Great summation, genius shit Biz

[@nolanmilroy1760]

Censorship is the slippery slope. People should be able to say what they want

[@kediddy]

good discussion, love your streams guys

[@gearshiftdeftone]

Well done, boys. Was anticipating your guy's take on this. Fuckin' Beauties, all of you.

[@austinhockey11]

25:50 I agree with ya biz That’s what makes you an ambassador of the game. I hope Jessica takes you up on it

[@travisjohnson8210]

Excellent discussion. There’s definitely a mentality out there of people taking 60% of a situation and passing judgement as though they know the whole story. Don had a moment that was less than awesome, but give him a chance to learn and sort it out. We all need to chill the fuck out a bit!

[@oilland9730]

Very well said Biznasty

[@douglasruddick9656]

I’m a 100% behind don cherry some many people sacrificed their lives for a better world

[@therron3717]

Couldn’t agree more, well said Ryan Whitney

[@kevinmalone1048]

Wow. Good analysis Biz

[@stevelatour7886]

RA really isn’t necessary. Biz and whit could easily do this by themselves

[@taylordesmarais7927]

Just so you guys know, very little immigrants wear the poppy, I go to a large college with majority of first generation immigrants and I can say throughout November I didn’t see one of those people wearing a poppy at all. Even tho they were sold all around the college

[@ryand589]

They just came here 2 weeks ago. THey have no connection to the land or the people. They don't give a fuck about Canada

[@bluesdemitra38]

Please guys, hold those pencil necks Ken Campbell and Greg wyshynski, the drivers of the fake outrage bus that eventually got Don fired, accountable for inciting hate and hysteria.

[@bukeahn7586]

Just wanted to point out that Don said that he was indeed willing to apologize, but that the network wanted him to do EXTRA stuff that he refused to do. Basically sounds like they wanted him to grovel and he refused to do it. But he did say he was willing to apologize for the way he worded it.

[@MsAllstar909]

Whits bang on

[@waynethera2712]

Hey guys thanks for the discussion. I love Ron and Don as a team and was a bit down on Ron for not backing up Grapes when it looked like he did. Your bus driver analogy changed my mind on the situation. Thanks for that. However that double standard that a lot of the MSM works by has cost Sportsnet a lot of viewers including myself

[@kevind8188]

Just find it interesting that the only people actually outraged by cherry’s comment are definitely the same people who re elected Trudeau. Therefore confirming that expressing frustration with immigrants not traditionally honoring Remembrance Day, is worse than blackface

[@c.9914]

The hypocrisy has become a hallmark. It has since sunk to even deeper depths.

[@dieselscrub]

This has to be heard by all, Good job guys! Don Cherry is the DAD of Hockey and a Canadian Icon, Imagine what your Grand Father or Great Grand Father would be saying on tv that would not fly today, Forgive

[@baz1543]

Love your guys take on this. You guys hit the nail on the head in regards to this unfortunate situation.

[@misterbuttersworth9904]

“You people” is not a racist term It’s projected to be racist by actual racist virtue signalers…

[@automstone7613]

Yup don’t comment on anything that is true in fear of hurting someone’s feelings. That’s the new Canada. Stay and home and don’t say a word.

[@mikemccag]

Thanks Biz for that ...I was one who was kinda pissed off at Ron for the thumbs up thing... but after you explained that I will now give Ron the benefit of the doubt.

[@derekmccluskey3516]

way to go Ryan....

[@Boss302ATC]

Whitney going off. Love it. We can't have a conversation on one topic without it spilling over to multiple genre. This is why Don does relate to Trudeau. The same people voting Trudeau were responsible for Cherry's firing. That's why it's hypocritical

[@titancribbing3363]

Well said fellas. Edmonton loves ya and grapes!!!

[@Angela-kg1mp]

Miss you, Don, i love you, and wish you and your family all the blessings!