SPOILERS: Shapiro Dissects Latest Game of Thrones Episode

Ben Shapiro discusses the battle of Winterfell on the latest episode of HBO's 'Game of Thrones.'
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[@PorkFork]

Weddings have claimed more main characters lives than a battle with an unending undead horde.

[@veracitymedia3649]

^ This

[@wipeout2098]

A pig took out King Robert. An infection took out Khal Drogo. Meanwhile, the entire Army of the Dead takes out no high-ranking characters at all.

[@alimalek559]

THANK YOU! this is what i try to explain to my friends who are for random reason so scared to criticise the show like its gonna affect their enjoyment of it. This was supposed to be one of the most exciting and highly anticipated episodes in tv bloody history, atleast for me, and all it was a pile of never-ending dissapointment. The battle against the Night King and the army of the undead, and non even one major character dead, not even one. crazy what this show has become due to casual fan service.

[@abhisheksuratkar]

@@alimalek559 Exactly, people are in concrete mindset now everything that comes out of GOT Gold standard, in way everything is gold standard, set/CGI/costume EXCEPT Writing has been full of shit since GRRM left

[@mahelbad1721]

no

[@Artbug]

Tyrion was right - If he was out there he would have seen something no one else was picking up on: *That god awful battle formation*

[@jabinshem1110]

"Nono, you put the barrier IN FRONT of everyone, not behind you. And trebuchets are no meelee weapons." "Thank you for your Supreme wisdom, Mr. Tyrion." "And tell Theon and his men to bring meelee weapons. Looks cool to have some ranged combat after seeing meelee but it just makes no sense to not pack a sword."

[@paulthoresen8241]

He was on the planning committee, the scene was only a week or two ago..

[@mugen3603]

Tywin Lannister, Rob Stark... all the men with a head for warfare and combat are dead. The rest of them run around like headless chickens, then charged haphazardly into death. Lol. Fucking clowns.

[@666thprayer]

Tyrion must not have been on set at all either cause he might have seen some of this garbage writing and been able to stop it

[@OkurkaBinLadin]

That is what happens, when you let women order you around :) ... shit, they DID let women order them around.

[@dix_man]

It was SO dark that not even the Night King's Generals saw Arya coming.

[@marty34534]

+1 HAHA, why isn't this the top comment? :)

[@jimmyers7004]

But Gendry did!

[@ldphoenix3]

Jim Myers lmao

[@2donnyblack2]

People complaining have been watching some other show it seems, it's not like Arya hasn't been training for years… .. .

[@imangel8847]

But Bran did that dudes just wierd.

[@RafaelBenedicto]

1.) You don't put artillery in front of your phalanx of Unsullied troops 2.) You don't charge cavalry, especially light cavalry, into the darkness against an enemy you can't see. 3.) You don't put troops in front of your barriers, only to have said troops retreat behind the barriers when they inevitably get swamped by a force with superior numbers. Whoever planned the defense of Winterfell obviously hasn't played Total War.

[@TheOneBadAssGamer]

Not even the fact the Cav could see, you dont charge light cavalry head on into any force. They should be used for flanking maneuvers.

[@necessarythoughts3605]

Yeah when they showed the initial battle plans in episode 2 all I could think of was that the Dothraki were gonna get slaughtered and the Unsullied were gonna get destroyed as soon as the flanks of inferior quality troops retreated. I don't even know why they thought a pitched battle was a good idea. If they let the Night King assault the walls they would have had a better shot with full strength Unsullied infantry guarding them. They could of also used the Dothraki as a flanking/harassing force once the Wights began to attack the walls. And multiple layers of flaming spike pits would have immensly slowed down the Wights and allowed archers and the dragons to destroy large portions of the Night Kings army. Robb Stark would have kicked the Night Kings ass if he was still around.

[@willk1756]

Never send in cavalry without infantry support, against an unknown enemy force in complete darkness. Without support their slaughter was inevitable. Unsullied should have been stationed behind the barriers. One dragon doing napalm runs on the dead whilst they were delayed behind the barriers. The other providing overwatch. The trebuchets firing round the clock whilst this was happening also.

[@s.2196]

Bro, if they had put us Tota War nerds in charge of defense, the zombies would not have breached that castle, and we prob wouldn't have lost more than half our defending army.

[@imangel8847]

Perfect battle plan

[@droidzilla22]

The first death for this episode was the lighting supervisor.

[@youtubedrifter5594]

Yeah no. It was done like that purposefully. It’s to accentuate death slowly closing in.

[@danw3391]

To me, it put the viewer into the scene, feeling the same confusion and "fog of war" that the characters were feeling. Well done.

[@LesPaul2006]

There is no such thing as a "lightning supervisor". Every person in charge of lightning is part of the cinematography department, and if any bad ligthning decisions were made, they would be blamed on the DP (Director of Photography). The whole darkness thing was most likely made at the color grading stage, though. And yes, as others point out, it was probably deliberate.

[@fadedlogic1]

Clearly a budget choice to save on makeup and whatnot to hide all the shortcuts.

[@aslemartinsen5284]

@@LesPaul2006 Lighting.

[@studiogreyfox1226]

Two major characters died in this episode 1.The writing 2.The lighting supervisor i

[@mouthbrooder5728]

Yeah. Good god.

[@ChrisDynamo]

@БДЯЄTH *Midway through Season 5. It was still great up until that, when Stannis and Jon teamed up, then you had 20 good men, Shireen being killed, Stannis' battle with Winterfell, that's when it all started to fall apart.

[@Turkeyburgler]

so so so bad. i wanted to stop watching several seasons ago but I'm to committed. I hate to be that person, but, the books are so much better, that fat f*cker needs to release the rest of the book. That last episode was shit

[@soccerplayer2277]

@Mad Max Rockatansky Everyone seems to have amnesia surrounding this. The white walkers won multiple battles and they won this one too. They completely stormed the castle, decimated all of the armies, at the end of it when the NK thought he won a master assassin who grew up in Winterfell killed him. They weren't stopped on the first resistance, what would have been terrible would be if the battle went Jon and Danny's way at all. It didn't, the only winner in that ep was Arya. There wasn't a shred of hope throughout that entire episode.

[@I2haveACunningPlan]

Best comment!

[@HotRefuse]

I thought there was way too much, "Oh he or she is about to die. No way are they going to survive this." Then they are saved. This happened like 4 or 5 times.

[@miamorhardstyle]

The continuity of the battle was pretty bad... they decimated like 20,000 men in a few mins then were brought to a halt by a handful of the main cast... And how many times was sam wrestling with zombies he was surrounded by? At least twice lol

[@miamorhardstyle]

@@zao9256 Yea they had the wrong battle first.

[@normansmith9009]

Zao Exactly, Bran can see every move Cersei makes, and Arya can infiltrate anywhere, like what’s the big deal at this point?

[@FrankCastle-he8fl]

Wow I just posted that an hour or two ago

[@AndromedaImagination77]

Yeah, the "I'm lying on the floor, this is it, they swing the sword, and someone saves me from behind" used like 10 times, so baaad, you can tell George RR Martin isn't working with them anymore.

[@EyeBelieveSo]

Dissapointing and completely threw away the Night Kings eight year build up.

[@zydo686]

Lmao the ending was perfect and if you want i can five you some arguments for that. What you are talking about is plot armour for the NK...also the NK was first seen in s4 ep4....also the NK got killed in the north 8000 years ago by ONE person which was led by the god of light like arya in this case.....

[@monsterboomer8051]

@@zydo686 This is absolute garbage. Also writers confirmed it they wanted Arya to kill him since season 7 cuz muh suprise! I bet you watch Fast and Furious and you call it cinematography :D

[@zydo686]

@@monsterboomer8051 That is just wrong. They knew that Ayra is going to kill him since more then 3 years. Jon fighting against the night king and winning the battle would be better writting ? No got is all about unpredictable moments and not jon killing him because it has been teased since 5 years.

[@EyeBelieveSo]

@@zydo686 you know what I mean, we see the White Walkers in episode 1. You know damn well that Dumb and Dumber who took over the show have no idea what they are doing with the story.

[@zydo686]

​@@EyeBelieveSo You know that they have talked to GRRM a lot about the ending and that they would stick to his? If it would be publicly said that GRRM and the showrunners worked hand in hand on this season and this was his ending there would be like no hate at all even though it would be the same.

[@Enrico_Palazzo_opera_singer]

South Park is going to have a field day with this episode.

[@orion7873]

Southpark is one of the smartest shows on TV ... it is so underrated.

[@vinny1537]

They’ve already made their game of thrones episodes. Doubt they will touch it again

[@billyhewitt725]

Vinny they cant anyway they like to do current things when they start making episodes again this wont be cutrent

[@BaazarStudios]

Open the gates!!

[@maadtee6281]

George is going to be pissed there wasn't any weiners

[@clarkeminusthee]

Bran was watching Endgame during most of the episode

[@mmaGambit]

👏👏👏👏👏🤣😂

[@jeagerjeager9171]

Yes endgame where only 2 people die

[@mikaelmilnikov]

Better than Game of Cringe

[@jeagerjeager9171]

@@mikaelmilnikov lol game of cringe? Take a look at that scene in endgame where they did that all female charge horribly. I am not sexist at all but they could've handled that so much better, took me out of them movie and almost made me cringe.

[@rnleopando]

Hahahaha

[@SH-lb1nu]

GoT, why did they put their artillery on the front line? Who uses light Calvary to attack a fortified position? Like geeze bruh.

[@seanmccurdy80]

We have high walls, let's put our infantry outside, our artillery in front of them, and have the calvary go out unsupported.

[@esar71]

@@seanmccurdy80 I KNOW!!! What were they thinking! I think the writers have done about zero research into military tactics, The Battle of the Bastards was fun but completely ridiculous as well.

[@BigMikey1776]

My friends were tripping out cause I was getting pissed at the battle plan. The calv sally out was just dumb. The siege out in front of the infantry who was the military genius in this fight?

[@James_Bee]

@@esar71 Bastards had a plan... it was good... it got thrown out.

[@harpe9415]

@@BigMikey1776 Apparently Lyanna Mormont, a 10 year old, Brienne, a warrior with no commanding capability and Jorah, a warrior with no commanding capability were the ones who were commanding everyone.

[@onetwothereefour]

Can we just take a moment to realise that the night king has been planning this for 10,000 years. And failed at the first castle.

[@royd-l]

He made the classic mistake of attacking too many protagonists

[@kok6043]

Last hearth. winterfell was the 2nd

[@sa1sa624]

Opus he underestimated teleport moves

[@MaXiMoS54]

Well he never had a plan apparently because Danny had to give him a dragon to move the plot to capture a wight that ended up doing literally nothing. 10/10 writing

[@ThinkerYT]

xD

[@AndromedaImagination77]

You can Tell George R. R. Martin is not working with them anymore... it's pretty obvious!!!!

[@darrenfleming7901]

yeah writers dont have the mental capacity to progress this story properly, atleast it makes us realize how much of a genius george is to make all this seem so believable.

[@GreenFalcon926]

George IS still working with them. He is a producer, and often gives them advice, not a lot, but some. George told them how the story ends years ago. So what happens here, will most likely happen in the books, if they even get finished.

[@N4SP92]

@@GreenFalcon926 exactly, in an interview that he made a few weeks ago he even came out telling that the books Will have just slight changes, so what's the point in Reading them? It's a mediocre series with some good points in it and now it probably won't even see an end. The autor is already Rolling in cash and has shown many times that he's lazy and doesn't give a fuck about his readers after he made the contract for the tv show. Sad person really, talented but lazy...i'll give him credit tho, windhaven was enjoyable and pretty innovative.

[@AndromedaImagination77]

@@GreenFalcon926 being a producer doesnt mean he decides what happens with the characters in the show he has no control or end word I think since season 6. www.quora.com/Is-George-RR-Martin-or-the-TV-writers-deciding-what-happens-in-Game-of-Thrones-Season-6

[@AndromedaImagination77]

They go so fast some decision are taken on a rush and therefore clearly shows the lack of development of each story.

[@Agtsmirnoff]

For the show is dark is full of errors...

[@darrenfleming7901]

up you go

[@patrickdaniel7760]

Stolen

[@warlordqueekheadtaker7960]

🤣🤣😂😂👏👏

[@Agtsmirnoff]

Patrick Daniel a man does not steal

[@TheBashar327]

@@Agtsmirnoff , it's all the same to the many faced social media.

[@OneMeanArtist]

"What's Bran doing? Sitting around, being a bird." lmfao xD

[@MFRiley]

Got me as well. Lmao!

[@j.z.410]

Watching Endgame

[@trickyrjb1]

This is what happens when you take the writing out of the hands of the real writer, GeorgeRRMartin..

[@nathanhughes4466]

You all do realize that he's a cripple and can't fight in the fucking battle right?

[@Greyfoxdbz18]

Bran knew what was going to happen and just sat there as bait. He didn't look worried or anything because he knew Arya was going to finish him

[@bugrakazak6660]

Ben Shapiro DESTROYS Game of Thrones last episode with LOGIC and FACTS

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

No, he said Arya wasn't a Mary Sue, which is bullshit. I've counted it, Arya has been training (different arts as well) for maybe just over a year. I'm a very talented martial artist with a lot of will, but in both Judo and Muay Thai it took me well over a year to get my basics to a solid level. In short, Arya is a Mary Sue. Apparently sneaking is one of the most difficult skills for mankind to learn, and she did it in a few months like that, ON TOP of beating one of the best warriors in the Seven Kingdoms with a butter knife? Bull-shit!

[@thathandsomedevil0828]

Apparently you haven't heard of MauLer.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@Tim Hanselbach Oh yes, the grappling/striking combination is not only fun, but extremely practical as well. I've done BJJ to supplement my Judo ground game as well, but ironically I didn't find it worth mentioning because I've only done it for a year and never competitively. That realization just made me laugh out loud. I instinctively don't even count a year worth of training to be anything game-changing, yet that's all Arya ever had.

[@DarthRaider520]

@@TheStraightestWhitest talented being the operative word here. "Trust me guys, im a black belt" How about no.

[@keagan2509]

@Harry Cooper if thats the case, its a major asspull

[@marcinsinga]

I always like the quote from the Lighting director from Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers about the lighting during the Battle of Helms Deep when asked where the light would be coming from, he responded "the same place as the music"

[@chaser22081]

Marc Insinga hahaha yes love it!

[@dennisheikki6786]

@@ChrisDynamo It means nowhere. You just put it in there to make it more entertaining

[@playermartin286]

Marc Insinga the light came from the moon

[@ArcadeMusicTribute]

that's the most brilliant answer XD

[@iycephoenixx4249]

That's epic

[@gaiusoctavius2698]

Winter is coming and its gone in one episode

[@silverman824]

Must be climate change

[@scottblues2332]

Lmao so pathetic, glad I stopped watching when the sand snakes came out. Immediately realized the show was just becoming the usual Hollywood drivel full of cliches like the walking dead

[@tylersherritt937]

One episode that took 55 nights, 15 million dollars, 750 extras.

[@OfLegendBorn]

It wasn't "one episode". It was 90 minutes, so basically two.

[@crplingdepresion4202]

Yep literally been hyping winter and the white walkers since the first ever scene of Game of thrones. I legitimately can not express how disappointed I am with what the show has become, and especially this episode. To think the directors were comparing it to the battle of helms deep. What a fucking joke.

[@Bobsend]

Bran was watching Arya get it on with Gendry on loop for most of the episode.

[@yayatistudios]

@Hrithik Ravi 😂

[@ChrisDynamo]

What was he doing? He literally just flew around with some crows, he did nothing for the whole episode.

[@1999Supercooldudeman]

He was watching the final battle in Endgame

[@gtrain763]

Best comment ever

[@qwertyuiop-ke7fs]

nah he was watching family guy

[@dhonpaul5821]

To all people saying nobody important died in episode 3 are you guys blind? episode 3 had the biggest most shocking death ever... The SHOW DIED.

[@martybarnardmb71]

Lol very good

[@mihaibuie7929]

They killed it a long time ago

[@glaex1526]

Haha nice copy pasted comment

[@Marine1x1]

@El Padre con Verga Larga theon is at the lowest of a main character id even consider him a secondary character comparing him to dany jon cercei tyrion you know

[@Nero-ox5tw]

The main stakes of the show building from the very first scene of Season 1 were the threat of the NK and his army reaching Kings Landing. That is what the entire presentation episode was supposed to indicate last season where they risked their lives just to prove to Cersei that the army is a threat. The Night King didn't even make it past winterfell...I mean talk about a wasted build up.

[@oGrasshoppero]

I think everyone would have appreciated it if the NK made it to Kings Landing, but I guess that would have been over-budget. Fans got shafted...

[@brianr869]

Thankfully the books will be much better than this shit show.

[@liljlee00]

Actually I think the night king had to die In winterfell.....with his possible relation to the starks and all. They could have been more poetic about it. The insta kill was rather anti climatic.

[@Murphator]

YEahhh bran should have held the night king up in some kind of psychic standoff or something and froze the army somehow

[@jakedizzle]

Leonardo Datore Cersei was right then lol

[@admthrawnuru]

Ben: The episode is dark, and full of (tactical) errors.

[@harrymills2770]

And strategic errors. Dragons trump all else. Use one to destroy the wights and when the dragon-wight steps in, bring in the 2nd dragon. Air superiority. Firepower superiority. Until the dragons have it out, there's little point in humans fighting on the ground, other than to look out for dragon-killing weapons.

[@unscripted483]

Thats what i hated as we'll was the statistical problem

[@philipanderson7581]

_'i got that refference'_

[@alvinacosta9945]

The major mistake from the get go was defending Winterfell itself, defending yourself on open plain is horrible there is no terrain to use and you can get easily flanked from all sides. Then on top of that the army she worked so hard to build up and get across the sea died in a matter of seconds. The whole thing was horrible and my final pet peeve is the build up of the Night King as this all powerful evil and then gone just like that made no sense to me.

[@korgothofbarbaria2841]

Look at this scenario. You all hide behind walls and dig in and Night King stands there until morning while you are all deep frozen. The end

[@chaser22081]

I don’t understand why they built up the Night King only to have Cersei be the real final enemy...?

[@mazrimtaim3107]

They defeated the embodiment of death and his entire legion of undead warriors, now they can face the true threat! A drunk middle aged single mum w an incest baby. *Stolen Comment*

[@leevin7546]

@Leman Russ 3 episodes left, and all the cunning charecters dead. There's no politics or plots anymore, just the final battle.

[@silverwolf6866]

Mikethedude22 , Because its 2019 and "me too" is here, before that people expected actual story telling.

[@el_prestos]

I'm terribly disappointed by this episode, it was a total let down. But it makes sense that they fight for the throne later because the show is called Game of Thrones. It was never avout the night king.

[@cagataysunal1130]

@@el_prestos which is an adaptation of the book series "A Song of Ice and Fire"

[@JustAGiraffe]

I thought it would have been a much more powerful episode if: - Tormund, Brien, and Grey Wolf died in battle along with the others who died - Sam retreated to the crypt after seeing Edd die, protecting Gilly and Little Sam from the crypt monsters - Everyone else in the crypt was killed except maybe Tyrion and/or Sansa - Jon had a 1v1 sword fight with the Night King, in which Jon is saved by Bran who warged into a dragon - Jon was engulfed in flames by the ice dragon, only to survive due to his Targaryen heritage - Jon kills the ice dragon with Longclaw thank you for coming to my ted talk

[@gatorneedshisgat2170]

A Giraffe that would have been dope. I also thought that Jon should’ve been fire blasted only to survive because he’s a targarian

[@conordoyle2579]

Just admit you both wanted to see Jon's pp

[@jabinshem1110]

Thank you. Why did it have to be this bad? The things you mentioned wouldn't have made it a greater cost.

[@David-bf2cg]

Now this I want to see.

[@jointlucas8187]

This didn’t happen because that’s just to corny and original. All the deaths would have been good but the other bits would have just been like every other movie that has big battles

[@highlandcommando]

The Night King was a Wight Male, of course he is going to die at the hands of a tiny gurl.

[@Michael-kd1ho]

Kek. Have a like.

[@TacticoolPenguin]

Shuaaaat uuuupppp. The whole cast is white as hell. You’re as fragile and easily offended as the snowflakes...

[@TravelWithBradley]

"You disagree with me therefore you must be trolling trololo" nah, you are right... Nobody bringing up "its a tiny gurl" except people like him... He makes it relevant, nobody else cared about that specific bit.

[@cagataysunal1130]

@@TravelWithBradley *_wooosh_* wight male => white male

[@boogieboo5085]

Yours and admthrawnuru's comments win the internet.

[@muhammadfarisazaman176]

7 seasons of build up of this supposedly world-ending threat. Gets annihilated at the first significant hurdle they face in a single episode. What a waste

[@alfie2113]

Exactly, they should have made it down the kings landing in a final stand

[@Alex-cs1vq]

They literally made it like 40 miles from the wall lol, barely got into 1 of the seven kingdoms yet alone the whole world

[@StefanStoykov]

I dont agree on what you said. They were hyping Ned stark and he came to a stop in book 1 after the first major hurdle. They were hyping up Stannis who failed time and time again in single episodes. Lost black water, lost winterfell. All of them in single episodes. Same with Ramsey. Hyped up as a big bad to fail at first battle. So the white walkers fall in line with the common theme. What i dont like is all the investmemt in the lore of the prince that was promised, Azor Akhai, legends of the sword ... bla bla bla only for the knights king to get killed by an ex-machina. Also the battle was the worst managed battle in history of fairytale books

[@muhammadfarisazaman176]

Chelsea Fan thats what i thought at first too, that NK would be the final villain they would have to face. But i guess bitch queen and jack sparrow is more fitting for a final battle apparently

[@pttthhh]

@@StefanStoykov I know it's one of the most popular references for cynics, but Arya killing the NK was far from a Deux Ex Machina.

[@itsnotatoober]

Game of Thrones "It's hard to film a battle at night" Lord of the Rings "Hold my mead"

[@ryanmullaney9842]

Underrated comment, facts

[@thebatman4279]

The Helms Deep scene was fucking unbelievable. Battles at night can definitely be done.

[@inflames66676]

hmm, that's true

[@Flamethrower1942]

Also the the death of the night king almost exactly the same as witch king evil dude gets chucked from his dragon beast and then confidently thinks he's invincible but gets killed by a woman with a magical dagger but in lotr the hobbit stabs the witch king with said dagger and the warrior lady finishes him off.

[@manjityadav6845]

@@Flamethrower1942 they thought subverting expectations would work like it did for lotr. Big mistake

[@bigfriki]

The initial dothraki charge was the dumbest thing in the entire show.

[@franesustic988]

Dorne plot begs to differ

[@heishephaestion4178]

my jaw dropped when they did that.

[@Oh-xp3fv]

It was an equivalent of a small fart that you’ve been holding for 2 hours.

[@neversurrender6112]

I hate this argument that Arya has been training all her life so she deserves to kill the NK. Oberyn Martell had been training all his life to kill the mountain too but he let his arrogance take over and became careless and ultimately paid the price. That's what GoT was about, realism, a sense of consequence, which is gone in favor of fan service. The long night is coming, and the dead come with it...for one episode

[@Murphator]

@Matejko108 She did THE SAME THING that Rey did.... coincidence? XD

[@michaelmiky11]

You hate realism too it seems if you think Oberyn's death was realistic. He got an arm-only pat on the back of his knee... No matter how strong you are, you can't trip someone with that, only make them bend their knee slightly. Then Oberyn falls straight down on his back without rolling. Waits like 2 seconds before the Mountain casually grabs the back of his head with *one* hand. In that time he is being grabbed, he does nothing to escape, as if he's paralyzed. So the entire kill on Oberyn is complete bs. And people like you buy it because "his arrogance was his demise." No, bad choreography and directing was his demise.

[@neversurrender6112]

@@michaelmiky11 Dude you can do this with every battle, I'm an mma fan i see a lot of flaws in fighting on screen but you can't get stuck up with such extremely minute details, it's entirely possible that the mt. could have done what he did and oberyn wouldn't have been able to do anything about it. Plus you're using this nonsense to throw shade at "people like me". You don't know anything about people like me. I thought alyosha was kind, smart and humble

[@michaelmiky11]

@@neversurrender6112 I didn't throw shade, I just argued about Oberyn's death, which I think is the worst scene in GoT. I didn't attack you personally, but then you roasted me by saying I fall short of Alyosha's greatness... That hurts you know.

[@neversurrender6112]

@@michaelmiky11 Yeah i overreacted im sorry my man

[@bbs7403]

** BEN SHAPIRO DESTROYS NIGHT KING WITH FACTS AND LOGIC**

[@GoblinSTEEZ]

Was actually hoping for that ending tbh Ben Shapiro is Azor Ahai!

[@Reyeston007]

Game of thrones: Makes sure to show the audience how badass the night king is by surviving to dragon fire and a 100000000ft fall. Few minutes later: Gets killed by a knife trick

[@Balinux]

A Valerian steel knife trick. It's like people are intentionaly ignoring the lore!

[@Balinux]

@@punisher00109 Your point? There's a difference between gas/temperature and a solid, sharp object.

[@JackHGUK]

Guard Passer valarian steel kills wights, have u not watched the rest of the show?

[@Balinux]

@@punisher00109 Dude, clearly the night king can control temperature, as we've seem him do. That's why fire itself doesn't work, but solid objects do.

[@TravelWithBradley]

"Guard Passer21 minutes ago Balinux lol source on sharpness needing to be a factor? Sounds like denial to me" Season 8 episode 3. We see it take dragon fire to the face, we see it fall 10000 feet. We then see it die to a sharp object. Source provided... Could go further back to show you where sharpiness showed effectiveness, but I cannot go back to show you where a dragon breath is effect, neither can Bran.

[@fransta2165]

They ruined several story arcs forever. Winter is coming is now a laughable meme.

[@meteda1070]

Season 1: How can you kill a main character in your show? Season 8: How did they not kill more main characters?

[@ss-nc2dy]

The first season that question came from the audience not being used to TV depicting reality that well. They loved it and were hooked. The second question came from the incredible lack of realism and now they are not so hooked.

[@ardenaudreyarji]

The first question is a compliment. The second one isn't.

[@sa1sa624]

a swartzx you said realism you gonna trigger the dudes / gals this is a fantasy show.. like fantasy shows don’t have rules. Imagine Harry Potter not needing a wand a uses his dick.. yeah doesn’t follow the rules

[@BretAtwood]

The Dothraki Hoard decision was so stupid

[@phillipsmith3102]

and when Melisandre used magic to make the barrier go ablaze why was that necessary??...........Why didn't they just coat the barrier with a flammable substance, hell we already know that they had alcohol in westeros!!

[@johnbull1568]

I've never complained about the show, I've loved it even when it's not been at it's best. That said, I knew what we were in for the second the dothraki started charging and it switched to Jon and Dany's view up top. I knew all that fire would be extinguished, and the only reason that scene is there is because some idiot said 'hey, wouldn't it be cool if. . .?'. This episode was so bad that I pretty much consider the show over now. Sure, I'll probably watch the remaining 3 episodes out of curiosity, but they shit all over the show's legacy in less than 90 minutes. All those years of subtle build-up done away with for some snazzy special effects and 'cool' scenes. I actually turned the show off about 15 mins before the end and didn't find out about Arya until today, and I've never considered not watching the whole episode first time round.

[@N4SP92]

@@KBrown-fw1gu So he does nothing? People should stop defending things that make no sense just because of their attachment and start thinking critically.

[@N4SP92]

@@phillipsmith3102 This episode wa a shitshow but alcohol in that case would not have worked since it's quite volatile, it wouldn't had last if put prior of the battle. Tar would have been a much better choice, or some kind of cheap oil.

[@scottblues2332]

John Bull Yup, they sacrificed battle realism entirely just for one “cool” looking scene. Who advises these morons? Only soy drinking Hollywood people could look at that and go “yeah, let’s do that”...

[@morgand5004]

Thank you for pointing out the waste of cavalry, artillery, and defensive infantry in the battle. Everyone complains about how dark it was but the major tactical errors are what drove me insane

[@BGShepard]

I have no military expertise, but even I was mentioning to my wife, "Why is the infantry and calvary IN FRONT of the trench???"

[@wino0000006]

Because it was too dark - nobody on the battlefield saw what was going on.

[@willcruz943]

wino0000006 But if they had their cavalry doing their job in locating the enemy before the surviving guys from the Wall telling them in the afternoon, they could have done something with to help them with the visibility like setting the whole damn forest on fire.

[@morgand5004]

Right? They also could have pulled back closer to where Danny and Jon are. Then when the dead are pilled against the trench or against the spears have the cavalry come in and hit them in the back or on their flanks

[@byronsmith3152]

The fact they only gave themselves enough time to use 1 damn round of artillery was beyond comical to me.

[@tea_otomo]

"How should we start the battle?"....."Let's waste all of our cavalry!!"

[@sa1sa624]

proggen4fun let’s not have oil surronding the battlefield we don’t need light

[@zechrojas2202]

Let's charge them into complete darkness with light sticks so the enemy can see where they are. That was very considerate of them to give the Night King and his undead horde an advantage.

[@DavidMooch]

Welcome to HBO making there own content since season 6. Nothing of substance just big battles, CGI, and the simplistic good vs evil narrative that George RR Martin clearly disagrees with.

[@Big_Denney]

I'm not sure it's clear he disagrees with it. I think if he did he'd be finishing up those books to set the record straight, not walking around cons looking like he doesn't have a care in the world.

[@DavidMooch]

@@Big_Denney If you don't think he disagrees with the good vs evil narrative you haven't read his books or you have a hard time analyzing things you've read. That or you are blinded by your own preconceptions and biases. For example. Walter Frey was betrayed by Rob Stark and an oath was broken. In response he allied with the Lanisters and killed Rob, his wife, and his mother along with a few dozen in his militia. Arya Stark in revenge killed all of his sons, fed them to him, then invited all of his extended family to a banquet to poison them and have them choke on their own blood. Whose act was good and whose was evil? Which was more malicious? Which was justified? This is one of hundreds of examples throughout his literary work where good and bad are a matter of perspective. The hero of one side is the villain of the other. Another example is you have the virtuous paladin Ned Stark a man of principle stick to values and he is beheaded in the first book while little finger lives near to the end. People who's loyalties change and maneuver themselves to serve the realm such as Varis and Tyron do so much more for the book as a whole. Or as Varis put's it when talking to Tyrion, "he plays the game". Martin clearly is lampooning the archetypes and tropes that litter fantasy. Meanwhile, the narratives that survive the story illustrates the complexity of reality. This is why so many GOT theories have been wrong and baseless. They follow the same idealized fanciful thinking you find in the religions he shows in the book. They seek deeper meaning from a lack of understanding much like the religions seek deeper meaning in their lack of understanding a world with magic and magical creatures. I know this is a long winded response and I could go on for days while putting much more thought into this rebuttal. In the future I suggest you put more thoughts into your own.

[@nealm6764]

and endless: "YAY!!! Girrrl power!"

[@Matthew-Anthony]

Did HBO change George R. R. Martin's content or vision?

[@litaiffaraujo]

@@Big_Denney he already finished the 6th book. He is waiting for the series to end to ride on the wave of its popularity. He will release all the books again("new editions") with the 6th. Dont get me wrong. I think he is way too greedy, but he is being rational.

[@MattGarcyaDC]

I guess my expectations were too high for this episode

[@asahi151]

Mine too *sight*. This could have been the greatest episode ever but then it wasn't even good. I'm disappointed of the lazy writing

[@jesterfrombeyond1776]

No, the episode was just awefull.

[@maciejmanna9246]

My expectations were not that high (after eps 1-2, and, in general, narrative downfall since season 5) and I was still disappointet, so I guess it was not Your fault.

[@Leaps-xz3hg]

Nah they build this shit up for 7 seasons

[@Alex-cs1vq]

I had low expectations and i was still dissapointed.

[@Chris-ob8ok]

My biggest complaint was the battle tactics, no wonder they got absolutely crushed.

[@Hero_Of_Old]

It doesn't matter about tactics, they have a magical, teleporting teenage girl

[@grantbaker7062]

The battle plan totally sucked, was expecting crazy booby traps and flammable material spread all over the battlefield but nothing. They kinda deserved to lose seeing how under-prepared and overwhelmed they were, but they got really lucky and won.

[@sergejw.1926]

@@grantbaker7062 so... let me get this straight? You are complaining about things you See as errors of the Show and charakters.... because you are to blind and dense to see that the "errors" were no errors but circumstances (!!!) The charakters had to live with? They WERE undereprapared. They WERE overwhelmed. They KNEW it will gonna be like this. Because they KNEW from Tormund and others that the dead were only one Day away. They had little to NO reccourses and food. THAT is why they used Bran as bait to lure out the Night king. Because they HOPED that if they kill the King, they kill everything else. There was never the intend to defeat the undead army. There was never the chance. And there was no time for more preparations. But yeah... it's better to complain then to pay attention and to think. Same goes to mr. Shapiro and his analysis that is as dimm as the episode was

[@i-never-asked-for-this]

@@grantbaker7062 Yep, definitely expected the battlefield to be covered in tar so the dragons could light the entire wight army up.

[@anthonylabate]

They had like one or two days to prepare. They made like 1000 dragon glass weapons pretty click

[@marcodetter5782]

The Night was short and full of Errors. 8 years of Winter is coming. Now Winter is over. 6hours. Jon is now useless and meaningless

[@River18223]

Sami Raman winter isn’t over. The night king is

[@vladyslavyurkevych6849]

@@River18223 did you see that kings landing is now a desert? When Jaime was leaving it was starting to snow

[@kennedysan1045]

But but... He united the armies.

[@jhamod556]

Sad but true

[@Hurrishane03]

He is the heir to the throne

[@mysteryman7445]

Game of Thrones should be retitled as The Adventures of Arya.

[@papaemeritus3155]

Mystery Man Arya is a disgrace to game of thrones.. I can deal with a few dragons and magic as long as the rules stay consistent.. BUT WHEN ARYA TELEPORTS PAST THE WHOLE CIRCLE OF WHITE WALKERS AND THE GREAT GENERALS AND THE ONE AND ONLY NIGHT KING UNDETECTED that is when it’s bullshit

[@alfie2113]

Papa Emeritus yep she’s undetected but then she fucking screams as she jumps at the night king, so retarded

[@maciejmanna9246]

Arya ex machina

[@patwaddington]

Or “Plot Armour - Deus Ex Machina”

[@sulla1537]

Agreed, I don’t know what their obsession is with her these last 2 seasons.

[@thefifth5hot]

The Night King should have lasted until the end. Now the stakes are much lower with Cersei as the final villain.

[@hamzak7261]

yep

[@silverman824]

yeah lol

[@Smackosynthesis]

Absolutely agreed. My god they were supposed to bring the apocalypse that threatened everyone, including the petty squabbles of the kings and lords playing at war. They were supposed to bring an unending night. Magic, resurrection, even a *god* played a role in this. Nope. Turns out they were kinda stupid and not that dangerous at all, really.

[@gabrielonibudo5710]

@Joel Smith Well we'll never know since he's fucking dead

[@Davitofrito]

Same. The only way I see this going is: 1. That Cersie see's the pyric victory and marches north despite her telling joffree it couldn't be done in season 1. and/or 2. We see the alliance of the north crumble much like the Allies after ww2 with nazi Germany gone. Sansa and Danny will go at it and Tyrion, Jon as well as the rest will have to choose. ---- Given how the series has gone, bringing the white walker back to kingslanding was an utter and complete waste of a dragon. Cersei should have been dealt with first while Winterfell could have been split in two. Second half of last episode being a kind of epilogue with an elderly Tyrion (or whoever), telling a group of young children the stories of his youth.

[@popland1977]

The production values were incredible. It was difficult to see on purpose I suspect to submerse us in the confusion of fighting at night. The killing of the Night King was anticlimactic, badly written and a total let down. He was built up to be the ultimate enemy for a decade and was killed because Ayra learned to fly. He was never fleshed out into a three dimensional character and his abrupt end felt like the writers had no fucking idea what to do with him

[@Matthew-Anthony]

Thank you for posting this comment. It is very well written and explains the point that I, myself was trying to convey.

[@Helmholtzwatson1984]

They shouldve pulled a fast one and had the night king fly to kingslanding and taking the iron throne. That wouldve been epic.

[@muskokamike127]

It was difficult to see because there was no way they could actually film 500,000 soldiers fighting with practical effects. They all had to be digital. They had to be careful or it would look like that matrix sequel that turned out to be a joke as opposed to a serious battle scene. I disagree with the killing of the Night King. Came out of nowhere which is how it had to be. Arya didn't "learn to fly". Remember all her training as an assassin. There was plenty of time for her to make her way across the battlefield on foot, undetected using her skills she learned in that monastery thing with all the faces on the wall.

[@LeonMusicm]

they didn't even show his face when night king died.kind of how Sam killed the first white walker. sad to say im disappointed.

[@IAmOddGirl]

I thought it was fine, because the real tragedies are about to be hard to watch. Like Arya most likely getting killed by the Mountain. Don't forget the statues that were shown before in the trailer. Her statue is young. Plus I think most people for some reason give the wights pure free will of their own. They work in sync to the Night King's commands. He was sure the resistance was over, he was savoring the 3 eyed raven's death. He caught her because he noticed her with the extension of the wight that noticed her running at him. He turned and caught her.

[@MrKsan05]

The Dwarf from LoTR said to tell Arya...."That still only counts as one"

[@Opinwood]

LOTR, now there's a siege done right. GoT should have taken notes..

[@Reeseballin8]

Amazing comment

[@jabinshem1110]

"The dwarf from LOTR"

[@Nloveru]

"The Dwarf"...??? Gimli you mean...

[@phillconklin382]

I thought same thing.

[@Nepafarius]

I DESPISED this episode. It showcases everything that is wrong with the show after they diverged from not only GRRM's writings, but also his entire mindset when making this story. No repercussions for bad decisions and arrogance, no safety net for main characters, poetic deaths, not victories.

[@SoGoodContent]

Nepafarius i agree, but this while season had been terrible...you cant wrap up 10 years in 6 episodes....

[@s.m.4995]

They gave Arya the night king because they didn't want to bother finding a satisfying conclusion for her storyline.

[@TheOneBadAssGamer]

Assassinating Cersei and living happily ever after as an assassin for hire. Jon should have killed the night king.

[@Doomcorner64]

Shes still here and theres 3 episodes left. What makes u think this is how her story arc is finished

[@michaelrichardson8291]

She is going to sit on the iron throne, that's my prediction.

[@nicholasr79]

Ben Shapiro DESTROYS college liberals! And HBO Producers...

[@nelsonsanchez9055]

with FACTS and CINEMATOGRAPHY

[@anggarakun8786]

Even ben shapiro agree that latest episode was shit. Thank you

[@thisguy7449]

8 seasons of build up and anticipation of the night king just for him to get sucker-punched-knock-out by some tiny ninja girl flying in from nowhere.

[@sprittel]

Yeah and what kind of assassin approaches their victim silently from behind and then screams before striking giving them time to react 🤦‍♂️

[@ChrisDynamo]

@@sprittel The wights heard her single drops of blood falling 2 feet onto the concrete in the library. So you're telling me that she can run past hundreds of wights AND white walkers without being noticed?? It was stupid writing, in an episode filled with it. If she had taken the face of a wight and subtly approached, fine, fair enough, it would've made her training worthwhile, but she didn't. It was dumb.

[@sprittel]

@@ChrisDynamo 'so what you're saying is...' lol! please don't put words in my mouth I never 'told you' any of that! Maybe she did take a face, maybe she teleported, maybe she old fashioned snuck up, we don't know and none of that is relevant anyway all we know is she somehow got to a clue of feet behind the night king and then stupidly completely lost her edge and the element of surprise

[@ChrisDynamo]

@@sprittel I'm not putting words in your mouth, you said that she approached silently, how? How did the wights not see her? If she took a wight's face, why wasn't that shown? 'Maybe, maybe, maybe', what's the point in presuming anything, why don't we KNOW? Why wasn't the writing clear?

[@sprittel]

@@ChrisDynamo I did NOT tell you that she could run past hundreds of wights and white walkers without being seen and so you 100% did put words in my mouth. Please don't do that and then lie and say that you didn't do that, I actually agree with everything else you say but that's a completely different point entirely! Thank you and much love ❤

[@doinosor6405]

"it's good to see things." --Ben Shapiro, 2019

[@brandoncomer6492]

"Why it had to be filmed where noone could see was going on". The same reason they pissed away the Dothraki in the first five minutes, because it cost them less money.

[@adronias]

That's right, a show that they have dumped money into for 7 seasons, which has increased its viewership for every single one of those 7 seasons, has now decided to skimp on lighting as the show comes to a close, just to save a little lira.

[@Luffym3]

And don't forget they will not have the elephants for the finale battle

[@Frontigenics]

Yep... you don't have to pay for the VFX that you cant see!

[@TravelWithBradley]

Also partly because the castle was surrounded. Everywhere was deserted. Leaving them out in the middle of no where in a camp to 'flank' was retarded. Also partly because even in SEASON 1... They explain how the Doth'raki do not know how to defend. They are renowned and known for never losing a charge. They are undefeated. They charge. They win. Also the fact that their only plan in any way was to lure the night king in, not to win with superior tactics, but to stall. This plan failed when Danny got emotional seeing them get slaughtered, as opposed to the proper 'hit and run' they wanted to achieve. But I mean aside from all that, it must 'just' be the money.

[@Swarm509]

@@TravelWithBradley I'm leaning towards total underestimation of their enemy. You are correct that the Doth'raki are only an offensive force but they work well since people will feel fear and have some self-preservation and eventually break. The dead have none of that, they will just mass and rip them apart, as they did. I think they figured they could hold them with a battle line as well... nope massed undead wave wins again and normal tactics fail.

[@matthewa1448]

“I liked Arya teleporting” LMAO THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING 💀

[@Night-rage]

It's been established that she is a master at sneaking

[@TheRiviaWitcher]

I didnt like that at all. It was dumb.

[@byronsmith3152]

@@Night-rage While I understand that and love it, her screaming as she flies through the air eliminates that entire aspect of being a sneaky assassin, lol.

[@Night-rage]

@@byronsmith3152 good point

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@Night-rage Establish It all you want, that shit takes years to master. I've counted it, she's been training for barely over a year, and about six months of that was just blindly living on the streets. And don't tell me that strengthens someone because it doesn't. It detracts from training she already had, a setback.

[@CommandoMaster]

I agree. Lighting was bad. Can't see anything for a lot of the scenes. Battle plan doesn't make any logical sense, but looks cool for TV. No major characters died. And Arya teleporting to save the day.

[@wq198mnr]

Commando Master so she teleported? I thought she used her skills as an assassin to sneak past the white walker and attack NK

[@themrinruivanao8298]

@@wq198mnr She used a trampoline to jump into the circle of hundreds of the dead to kill the NK She was probably also taught in the ways of trampoline travelling in those six seasons of her training.

[@CODA96]

By this point the entire gathering of the dragon glass was useless Sam learning about the secrets of all Walkers was useless Hodor's backstory, the entire 3 eyed raven and different timelines were useless The 8 year long talk about the long night was useless, because we had a teleporting Super Mega One-Hit kill Arya. Could have spared us 7 seasons if she just teleported to all the Lannisters in Ep. 1!

[@sa1sa624]

BRO SKI nah no skill teleport. You ain’t sneaking past thousands

[@sa1sa624]

Kyra Sam was useless asf. It should say in that book fk becoming a master become a faceless man an you can easily kill the Nk

[@bobtan5481]

Game of thrones is now just an expensive live reenactment of a cringey reddit fanfic. Normies ruin everything.

[@eakmadashma]

i wish it was. Some of the reddit fanfic is leagues better than what the writers are giving us. The show went downhill when they ran out of source material from the books

[@casualrider983]

Literally every alternative NK ending idea that I've come across has been better than what we got

[@What-go8ng]

I do love the irony of someone using Normie on a Ben Shapiro video

[@dragonlord.kingslayer8697]

dude hell no. the r/asoiaf have great discussions. if anything it's cringey tumblr fanfic

[@tobsw3802]

Too bad it wasn't a Total War playing redditors fanfic. I swear we would have had the night king on his ass and saved 75% of our troops.

[@davidgrenader1]

Trash ending. Goes against everything the story has been about. Undermines GRRM’s vision. Worst of all, it’s become a predictable fairytale. 7 seasons of buildup, only to die in one episode. No main characters died. Plot armor. Wouldn’t be surprised if next episode is a musical. The only reason I would even watch the next three episodes is in hopes that the Night King (as an entity, not necessarily in body) is still alive somehow. I very much doubt this, but one can hope. It would make some sense considering Bran’s look throughout the episode and the moves he made. Perhaps we might even find out the NK’s true motives, as wiping out the human’s memory is cool, but just seems like lazy writing. Remember, he is a 10,000 year old being who was once human and was created by the children of the forest. There BETTER be a NK-related twist.

[@maasawdreamt8521]

best comment on this video lol

[@marlonpark]

you give HBO to much credit :)

[@jordandrake9822]

We have more motive for the night king than we do for Ramsey, Joffrey, or Euron greyjoy. And what did you expect to happen? The only way this could have ended was complete death of the living or night king dies. The whole "he died in one episode" thing makes no sense. It was the legth of a movie. It was a battle where one side wins and the other looses. Also Ramsey died in one episode. Joffrey died in 1 episode out of nowhere and his death wasn't what people expected, yet no one says that is the worst episode.

[@dustinboatman6134]

One episode the length of a movie......

[@Alex-cs1vq]

@@jordandrake9822 More motive, are you kidding? Ramsey and Joffrey were cruel psychos who wanted power and control. You're right about euron tho ( thats down to the writers not GRRM, euron in the books is awesome). The Knight King has no motive except "kill everything that moves". What fantastic writing in a show that built itself up to be not just your average good vs evil battle

[@Lao_moon]

Hail Gendry for crafting such excellent plot armor!

[@hobohobohobohobo5369]

Theon turned his hacks on while bran tried leveling up in bird simulator

[@manjityadav6845]

You should be ashamed of yourself

[@smilesthenarrator]

Dowhat Iwant “Flappy Ravens”

[@pinglankek]

Kim jong Un they could have put dragon glass on their beaks and feet. Then bran controls them - picks the night kings skull away. Bird simulator 2.0

[@YFedecs]

Bran warged into the Infinity War rat to get Ant Man out the quantum realm

[@shadowsayer1516]

Game of Thrones has been trash since they ran out of book material. Just hack TV writers at this point.

[@ArthaxtaDaVince777]

@Winterhascome It is trash so stfu kid

[@robertstewart6104]

It's not been trash but the story has severely suffered since the books stopped

[@andremartins7601]

i like the music, but the rest tho

[@LegendaryGoetz]

Shadow ironically it’s always the indian kids who say it’s trash. aZuR AhAi, NiSa nIsA” *in an indian accent*

[@BB-ce5ev]

@Winterhascome ironic you named yourself after the giant decade long build up that was introduced and concluded in 90 minutes.

[@orion7873]

I don't get why the Night King even came south at all... he should have just stayed way North of the wall and just let his zombie like troops march south until the whole thing was over. It's not like the army of the dead needed him there for moral support.

[@harrison777ify2]

He came south to get Brand. If he got Brand everyone one would have been fucked pretty much

[@easypnetwork8138]

@@Jimmy-Fart-Pants that's not true Jon and team brought an undead to Cersei in King's landing and it was still very much active. And the Night King's generals could have directed the army.

[@easypnetwork8138]

@@harrison777ify2 He didn't need to do that personally, He could have had his Generals bring Bran to him if he wanted to kill him.

[@harrison777ify2]

EasyP Network maybe. I think he need to be there to absorb his power or some shit. But he could have got his generals to capture him and do it later

[@easypnetwork8138]

@@harrison777ify2 yeah. Use your generals. Which was another disappointment. The only thing his generals did this whole episode was walk around. they didn't even fight!!!!

[@adrianlucaciu6191]

"Why it had to be filmed so that nobody can see what it's going on?" That's pretty obvious...So that people don't see all the bad writing and incoherence during the battle

[@4nd3rzzon]

What about you don't have to pay for what you don't see

[@tetsuonabiki]

The shocking unsuspected death of Ned Stark is what got everybody hooked and waiting for season 2. This feels like the writers from the final season of Lost took took over. With all the cliché tropes and plot holes. It was entertaining but not for the reasons that made the show unique in the first place.

[@qwertyuiop-ke7fs]

yeah the show lost its integrity. show started by a freak then normies took over and turned it into a soap with swords.

[@devjk1]

@@qwertyuiop-ke7fs this shit happens whenever anything goes mainstream, it's awful. I doubt that going mainstream is as much the cause in this case though since they had book material to follow, then they ran out and didn't know what to do

[@cagataysunal1130]

@@devjk1 they pretty much ran out by choice. Ignored so many shit from the books, just, why...

[@chingai3589]

They should hire some of the fans that write the fan theories.

[@ihatealderney]

@@devjk1 They didn't run out of material. Book 3 was huge and made into 2 seasons (with a lot of stuff cut out). Then they squeezed book 4 and 5 into one season, even though the latter was almost as big as book 3. If they had adpated at the same rate as the first 4 seasons, only this year would we be overtaking the books (assuming a season every year). They rushed the shit out of this series to get to the big epic action sequences, all because they thought the new mainstream audience would be bored by political intrigue and weaving plot threads. And they were probably right.

[@davincimemes3631]

I can see memes of Arya suprising people by flying out of no where to stab them

[@nealm6764]

They finally found a good use for those trebuchets.

[@OMGWTFBBQKITTEN]

Yeah just like all the chuck norris memes.

[@RuslanLagashkin]

One punch man. One stab girl.

[@simpleton836]

Holy shit..... GET ALDO JONES ON THE PHONE

[@blackmore4]

How could you tell she flew out of nowhere? I couldn't see _anything._

[@sueymatta8779]

She’s not a Mary Sue but the way she killed the night king was Deus Ex Machina

[@dw3134]

I can't believe Ben actually supported this...he's being sarcastic, right?

[@chingai3589]

Would of been great to if seen Ayra and Jon combo attack the ww King. I didn’t mind ayra take the kill, just poorly executed.

[@maciejmanna9246]

Arya Ex Machina... TBH, I do not mind that it was Arya. I have issue with when and how. But still, compared to the fact that nothing during that battle made any sense from strategic and tactical point of view, it's a lesser flaw for me.

[@jordandrake9822]

How was it deuu ex machina? Arya killing the night king was prety well set up. We knew melisandre and arya had some unfinished business from season 3 and they would meet again. Mel stares down arya when she is entering winterfell. Beric dies saving her seemingly the reason he was being resurrected, AND melisandre brought up the brown eyes, green eyes, blue eyes thing again. It was extremely clear that would happen and was far from out of nowhere.

[@2donnyblack2]

I don't think Deus Ex Machina means what you think it means... .. .

[@termach]

When Graham Bell invented the telephone, he already had 3 missed calls from Arya

[@monsterboomer8051]

Legends say that only Arya Stark can kill Chuck Norris.

[@RicardoMilosDanceDEVIL]

Only Graham bell didn't invent the telephone it was a stolen invention

[@michaelrichardson8291]

@@RicardoMilosDanceDEVIL and his name is Alexander Graham Bell.

[@RicardoMilosDanceDEVIL]

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[@manjityadav6845]

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[@dwighteisenhower9175]

I just thought it would've been cooler if Jamie killed the night king, making him the ultimate King Slayer

[@audio1484]

I agree terrible battle that fans have been waiting to see for literally years.

[@jacobhighsmith1361]

Bad battle strategies. 1. Haveing the dothraki horsemen charging a larger army in the dark, when having a defensive advantage. 2. Putting trebuchets in front of your army opposed to behind. 3. Archers waiting to fire arrows, when it would basically be impossible to even miss a lob shot. 4. Losing soilders trying to light the fire trenches, when John is on a dragon just sitting on winterfell wall doing nothing but watching 5. Theon charging with a spear, opposed to throwing/yeeting it for a hail marry shot and then booking it. 6. Hidding in a crypt full of dead bodies, when your oppoent can raise the dead 7. The Night King expose himself when he could have just waited 10 more minutes and then aprroched Bran after everyone was dead. 8. I Personally think they should have pulled back the last stand to a diffrent castel opposed to Winterfell. The Frey's castle not only is now vacant, but it is further south providing more time to prepare. Additionally it forces the army of the dead to have to bottle neck across a defensible bridge or drown in the river. Aka much less chance of being surrounded. Thoughts? If I missed any feel free to add :)

[@puddintayne9254]

4. Jon was flying blind in the blizzard, that is why neither he nor Dany lit the trench . At least I think so as it was so dark. However, I agree with you ... poor poor planning.... they did need Tyrion.

[@rezaasadi890]

you are right , this was the most stupid battle I have ever seen in any movie or tv show . the strategy should be not to give dead bodies because the knight king can bring them into life and use them against you , so what they do ? they charge dothraki horsemen into the darkness . and give them even more soldiers . that was laughable . the other funny thing was the wall , they literally stood there to let the dead climb on the walls . shouldn't you release burning oil or sth on them ? the whole episode was a mess .

[@GreenFalcon926]

1. The they underestimated their opponents. The dothraki are masters on horseback, so it would be best to send in the heavy cavalry to weaken the enemy lines. 2. They knew they would only use the trebuchets once, so putting them closer to the enemy so they could fire them effectively makes sense, since the dead move so fast they will be useless as soon as they get close. 3. I don't have an excuse for that, I see your point there. Fear maybe? lol 4. Jon was distracted, he was looking out for the Night King, he was also on the other part of the wall, far from Davos. 5. Theon knew he was going to die, there was no point of him throwing the spear, even if he managed to strike him, which is unlikely, he knew he was going to end up dead. 6. I don't think they even thought of the dead in the crypts. 7. The Night King got overconfident maybe? I don't know about that one. But I don't think we have seen the last of the Night King's character, someone else will end up taking his place I think. 8. They didn't pull back and extend the battle for simple reasons, time and budget. This episode alone costs them millions, and they don't have the time to spend expanding on this storyline.

[@jeffm5991]

Hiding in the crypts with all those dead bodies was indeed stupid. They should have hidden outside the crypts where there were no dead bod..... Oh right. But at least it was safer outside the cryp.... Oh right, it wasn't.

[@rezaasadi890]

@@GreenFalcon926 " they underestimated their opponents " stopped reading after this . you don't need to defend a shit show man . just accept it

[@codinginflow]

I don't agree with Arya killing the Night King. Yes, she had some training here and there but the NK was an 8000-year-old demigod with superhuman powers surrounded by 100s of lesser god bodyguards. It just doesn't make sense that a little girl that recreationally trained some techniques here and there would kill him that easily.

[@gigachadradahn4494]

Coding in Flow remember the night king controls all the wights and white walkers. He knew she was coming but didn’t see the trick. He underestimated her because he doesn’t know who she is and who’s she’s trained with.

[@timgrossman8346]

I thought it was a terrible episode. The night king died in the most predictable way possible. The red woman's purpose in life was nothing more than to light some swords on fire and tell Arya to stab a guy. Very generic episode.

[@ErdricksArmor]

The episode had it's problems for sure. However Melisandre did quite a lot. She lit the trench on fire, delaying the wights a good while. Then she encouraged Arya to go kill the night king, which destroyed the entire white walker force. Without her actions EVERYONE would have died.

[@G5Nvm]

Yup. Thank god there's actual normal people around like you. The plebs on twitter couldnt stop masturbating to this shit of a show that D&D have torpedoed. Arya killing the night king just completely destroyed the azor ahai prophecy in the ASOIAF universe.

[@hamzak7261]

agreed, was a very disappointing episode. Especially night king's death and how he died

[@kevinjohnanand]

@@G5Nvm Not really. The prophecy never says that Azor Ahai will kill the night king. It says that Azor Ahai will bring the dawn. Jon is still considered Azor Ahai because he is the one who made all this happen. He united all these forces.

[@dexterj5896]

Battle strategy sucked too as Ben said. Should have lit the trench fire first and wait for the undead to cross and fight them.

[@sbstyler907]

Legend has it David and Dan got their inspiration for this episode from Rian Johnson.

[@maciejmanna9246]

If so, truly the night is dark and full of terrors...

[@CorneliusPRhoades]

More like Uwe Boll. At least Rian made Brick and Looper...

[@_Mordion_]

The battle plan! Finally someone notices. Trebuchets just sitting there the whole episode uselessly.

[@eibbor171]

and like 5 archers on the wall

[@wino0000006]

And using torches for signaling instead trumpets.

[@sanjin3401]

And the dorthraki were uselessy killed

[@Artbug]

literally everyone has noticed

[@Abrams1985]

The trebuchets would have been useless anyway. Projectile was very small, not explosive (not sure if explosives are known in GoT world anyway) and it takes time to fire each shot. In that time the army of dead would already reach the perimeter. Trebuchets would have done very little damage no matter where they were placed. So their only use was to lighten up the battlefield just a little bit so that dorthraki could see where to go. And this was achieved - although they did not stand a chance anyway.As for frontal charge - in GoT world they had every right to assume it would be a successful strategy - such charges worked before for instance in battle with Lannister’s forces. I cannot imagine flanking maneuver in those conditions presented in the episode. Flanking maneuver works if you can surprise your enemy. Not sure if that was possible considering that the Night King had a dragon and could take a look at preparations to the battle. And in complete darkness it would have been impossible for cavalry to actually go around and not run over each other. Remember - trebuchets were in the front, not on the flanks, to lighten the battlefield. And any lights at the flanks would have been visible from far away, and there goes your element of surprise. The trenches were behind the army so that they were able to retreat and catch breath. If the trenches were in the front, they would have been useless. If they were not on fire, then the dead would run over it, look how easily they have climbed over the walls. If the trenches were in front of the army and on fire, then the dead would simply wait until the fire is gone. At least the trenches behind allowed some time to be bought. And remember, there was never a possibility to actually win this battle just by killing wights, there were too many anyway. Plan was to survive until opportunity for killing Night King occurs.

[@Fulkren]

Theon did not run, he found his bravery. i thought it was a great poetic death.

[@wino0000006]

Usless..."The Song of Roland" explains that.

[@jeffm5991]

Theon's a good man, if you forget about when he murdered those two children to make people think they were bran and rickon.

[@hhhggbg3000]

Lots of charchters in this show have either killed a child or tried to kill a child. Some of which are main characters.

[@SaneMillennial]

@@jeffm5991 Yeah Bran's line wasn't well written. We all know the characters are grey in this story, not black and white good or bad. Yet they made the NK completely bad w/no back story to give us, probably so they don't spoil the prequel to come which is idiotic as the only reason they want to put money into a prequel was due to this show and now they're ruining the ending because of it, and then telling Theon he's good is just not the right words. He redeemed himself somewhat by saving Sansa and then wanting to come back to fight to protect Bran, but he's not a wholesome good character still.

[@ss-nc2dy]

The last line Bran said to him was great. The way he died though was lame because he did a major thrust in slow motion so he (and everyone else) knew he was dead. It was cliche. Would've been more interesting if a bad-ass sword fight happened between Jon and the NK and Theon came and stabbed him instead. Theon IS A PRINCE so it would've made more sense. His father was king of the Iron Islands. Unlike arya who is neither prince or princess.

[@chavenadehemoglobina94]

internet show theorys are better then the actual show rofl.

[@ramonator16ify]

Really? I find them to be extremely ridiculous

[@alexgray711]

@Samwise the Brave no they are crap

[@manjityadav6845]

@Samwise the Brave link to some of them plz. The ones I come across are trash.

[@chillpilled9299]

Thats probably why you didnt enjoy this episode, anyone who watches the stupidly complex theories that will never see the light of day with surely be disappointed with the shows conclusion . GOT was always about the iron throne.

[@chillpilled9299]

@Samwise the Brave i hated the plot armor in this episode, but i was by far shocked when Arya was the one who ends it all. I would've groaned if it was Jon or Dany. This conflict dragging into a second episode would've made me groan as well because it was said repeatedly beforehand that this was it, either they win or lose. I can't think of a way any of them could've possibly escaped to stretch it out . Like ben stated, the politics of the throne was ALWAYS infinetly more interesting than muh zombies.

[@theevermind]

Damn, I wanted the Night King to win. Just as a giant F U to all the fans.

[@andresanchez728]

The night king should have won. The series feels cheap as fuck. A piece of me died when the white walkers shattered.

[@epicpooch1861]

I wanted the Night King to win too. 😭

[@MicahMicahel]

I thought they were all going to turn into whitewalkers. That would’ve actually been amazing. They would’ve killed Cersei with their white walker leader, John Snow.

[@ki-td5yb]

As an elf, that GoT episode offended me.

[@hermitcard4494]

We need more elf diversity.

[@hermitcard4494]

@SpaghettiandSauce the undead need more diversity.

[@Sacremas]

As an elf, you probably cried out to Arya post-crumbling "That still only counts as one!"

[@soloistdeve]

No brain, just effects and last second saves. Cheesy hollywood flick for teenagers and 'i ship'em' rom-com crowd. All those knights couldn't devise a solid battle plan. What a disgusting way to spoil an exciting universe.

[@Monochromicornicopia]

I was thinking "did they devise a plan to lose as many people as possible before winning?"

[@justinbauk1026]

This show had so much potential, but was given way to cheap writing. I suspect nobody will rewatch any of this in 10 years. It's basically this decade's "lost"

[@vkhelldog]

Cheap/bad writing is what Martin did. It's really bad writing with no follow thru, has been for twenty years, why act like it changed it is surpe

[@yowie12]

Good point. There has to be an intelligent and satisfying denouement for the show, otherwise it renders all the great stuff done in prior seasons pointless.

[@justinbauk1026]

@@yowie12 exactly. There are hundreds of incidents like this done without explanation, but simply for shock value.

[@nealm6764]

@@vkhelldog GRRM had the good sense to just stop writing so as not to reveal it was all hollow build up. It really does remind me of "Lost" where everything seemed so complicated, but you quickly realized they were just making it up as they went along.

[@douglasquaid1711]

@@vkhelldog Martin has little to nothing to do with these last 2 seasons, that's when the show started to lose its edge, they ran out of source material. I honestly don't think Martin knows how to finish the story and that's why he quit, he's probably hoping to die before he finishes the story.

[@Enrico_Palazzo_opera_singer]

They must`ve cut out parts of the battle plan discussion in the previous episode... Jon: "Right...not only does the Night king have us vastly outnumbered with his zealous horde of unyielding zombies...but he can also reanimate our fallen to fight on his side....so our only chance is to bunker in, use our high ground and high walls and avoid as many deaths on our side as we can...so here is my battle plan": - first we pour our entire reserve of flameable oils and pitch into a ditch infront of the castle....when ignited it will shield us from the undead for atleast 5 minutes. - We man the walls as thin as possible...that won`t be a problem since all those cauldrons with siege oil we usually have up here are now in the ditch - Then we station our main forces outside of the castle...light cavalry on front, spearmen behind them...the Night King won`t expect that! - Now we lock all those unsuited for combat in a dead end tomb with hundreds of dead bodies - Once the Dead are here, our cavalry will make a blind charge right to their center, while our spearmen make the slowest retreat possible. - After that we`ll play it by ear - if the Night King suddenly appears and disspears again, Deny and I will follow him on a wild goose chase! - Phase 3 is profit!

[@jburton1624]

- And we won't start the battle with some dragon-airstrikes and recon flights to get a sense of where the enemy is - We'll send in the dragons only after the cavalry are inexplicably mauled on their charge into the darkness I love GOT but the military tactics can be really insulting.

[@andresanchez728]

That's what happens when you kill off the one true king and have a bastard and a teenage girl lead you.

[@Helmholtzwatson1984]

And Theon was so ready for death that even his plate armor stood aside for his broken spear haft.

[@cman7609]

2:16 After I thought about it more, Bran was the one who gave Arya the Valyrian steel dagger she used to kill the Night King and Bran lured the Night King into position so that Arya could kill him. When he gave her the dagger initially, he even said something like "you're going to need this more than me." I wonder if Bran foresaw that or if it was coincidence. If he saw it before hand, then Bran is just playing chess with everybody.

[@bebojo]

This, he was certainly bait. And as you referenced chess, the king has limited mobility and when the king is in check, the checker is usually taken out by another piece. The folks here talking about Arya's teleportation missed the earlier episode with Jon. He mentions her sneaking up on him, out in the open, in the exact same spot.

[@user-987ki34t]

bostonbenjamin There’s a huge, huge difference between sneaking up on someone and sneaking up on someone, past a large number of their soldiers in the process. It’s not a huge open area with tonnes of directions to come from. A cheap throwaway line and people saying “she’s been training for years” doesn’t change that. If I told you I went into a store with one entrance, three guards at the door, and picked something up right next to them and walked out without them noticing the obvious theft, I doubt anyone would be convinced with a simple “I’m just sneaky.” It was a good episode overall, but it’s pretty difficult to say it’s not cheating out on itself. They even did the horror cliche with Arya under a table, a blue eyed beauty looked under the table and suddenly she’s gone. It’s like they winked at us saying, “We’re not going to show you, but just trust us, she sneaked out from under there.”

[@bebojo]

Nah, I'm not buying it. The Godswood is almost as big as the entire courtyard and filled with trees. Also in a previous episode, Arya attempts to return home and is told to go away by two guards. She assured them that she would find a way in and they would ultimately regret turning her away. She knows the ins & outs of Winterfell. White Walkers don't seem to be the smartest bunch and as Sam proved a rear attack is the way to go. Comparing that to you & a convenience store is ridiculous. I will admit that she had an easy stealth kill with the wight between the bookshelves and didn't take her shot, only to get a similar kill under the chin of the wight that surprised her coming around the corner.

[@LaFleurCZ]

The most funny part of the library scene was when they couldn't hear her movements and noises from book shells but they could hear her blood on the floor :D :D

[@LaFleurCZ]

@@dv8566 That doesn't mean she can pass hundreds of soldiers and generals to jump of nowhere and not been noticed until last second...

[@666thprayer]

Imagine if the writing in this show was good. We would be seeing the first REAL CLASSIC TV show on HBO that wasn’t directed by Vince Gilligan.

[@JadeRunner]

Vince Gilligan? What HBO show did he do?

[@herrzimm]

Bran was doing that animal connection thing to keep up with the overall battle in general. However, the amount of fan service that is going on to get specific couples together is absolutely RUINING THE ENTIRE SHOW! At this point, I have a hard time even wanting to drum up interest in re-watching the first few seasons because everything this season is doing WRONG by doing fan-service plot points. There should have been a TOTAL of 3-4 'main' characters survive last night.... and instead almost every single one survived and for the most part, all pretty much in exactly the same situation they were in BEFORE the episode even began in regards to their political standings.

[@janchovanec8624]

To be fair the fact that almost everybody survived isn't that relevant, for given what resources they had, they should have destroyed them with ease. Competency was required however. Sending all the cavalry on a suicide run, not even to scout the battlefield. Disgrace after disgrace.

[@herrzimm]

@@janchovanec8624 - I know. The poor leadership makes things even WORSE because I can go out on the limb to make the following predictions based on the numbers/forces lost. Euron's fleet? Destroyed by dragon. The Golden Army will simply 'turn' because the N-King is dead, so their purpose of fighting will be over. Cersi will be left with no army, no fleet, and the only ones who will remain will be the King's Guard because both Jamie and Tyrion are around to "lead" the Lannister forces. Seriously, if the plots are so 'predictable'... the show becomes unwatchable.

[@Radiance230]

What purpose did “keeping up with the battle” serve?

[@Sacremas]

@@janchovanec8624 They had psychic ravens to scout the battlefield for them if need be, making it just WORSE... But yeah when I saw them waste their cavalry like that on a freaking suicide charge into an unseen ocean of zombies I realized I needed to drastically lower my expectations for a competent battle...

[@herrzimm]

@@Radiance230 - Intell. What's working, what isn't. Where forces are in need of help, which forces can offer help. Which side of the battle is showing a tendacy that can be exploited. "Keeping up the the battle" simply means that Bran was working as a "recon source" as the battle unfolded.

[@fookinaye8277]

Winter in maryland was longer this year than in westeros

[@superzebbe]

same in Sweden bro.. it lasts 1000 years

[@silverman824]

It was climate change bruh lool

[@NEWNORMALNEWSNETWORK]

The fact that you referred to him as dolorous edd makes me think u r a book reader. I respect u more now

[@ethanjory3130]

I'm more surprised that show watchers even know his name.

[@bluetextonwhitebg]

@@ethanjory3130 i call him "double d" like in the show ed, edd, & eddy. 😁

[@alokgupta8126]

Read his Quora answers and watch his other personal interviews. As a kid all that he did was read and read and read. I bet he does it even now. Charlie Munger once said, "I have seen no smart man who isn't reading all the time". No wonder Ben is so sharpiro.

[@keto3883]

he reads a 800 page book in about an hour (at least what it feels like). if you don t know for sure guess he has read a book over he hasn t.

[@alokgupta8126]

@@keto3883 could you say that more clearly ? I didn't understand what you meant

[@Rippd_Bagel]

Night King training: 10,000 years + Arya’s Training: 2 Seasons That’s how Mafia works...

[@maxdeliringtv2849]

2 seasons?!!??

[@enma9359]

she didn't even completed her training

[@hazzmati]

At this point why even bother to fight or besiege kingslanding just send arya to kill the queen and you’re done

[@Rippd_Bagel]

Hazzmati fr man lmao

[@Rippd_Bagel]

MaxDeliringTV yeah she began in season 5 and stopped in season 7. Also somehow her half a year of training was enough to kill the Wraith who had many years of training. Just bs laziness

[@AngryBaldyGaming]

Arya uses Sneak to get around horde of white walkers: it’s effective! Night king uses Death Stare on Bran: it’s not effective. Arya uses Lunge: ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE!!!!!! Gimli watching in awe as dead army crumbles: That still only counts as one!!!!

[@mminniear984]

I’m with you. This is the episode I’ve been waiting years for. The night king. Screw Cerci. I wanted the badass night king battle and I was left sorta disappointed.

[@RedxNoscopeZz]

You're obviously not a real fan so shut up. It's spelled sersei!

[@aleksandre9711]

@@RedxNoscopeZz you are wrong top you dumb bish it's spelled cersei...

[@mminniear984]

RedxNoscopeZz you’re so stupid. A simple internet search would serve you wonders.

[@Agtsmirnoff]

Ben they filmed it dark because they blew their budget on extras and didn't have enough for CG and editing so they made everything dark to hide it.

[@saxonsoldier67]

With all the t-shirts and coffee mugs I've bought to support GoT, they should have had enough to do it better. So much build up for this epic battle and we couldn't enjoy the action scenes. Winter is coming for D & D. The North remembers.

[@nightskycandles1]

they only had 750 ppl, not like it was Ben hur with 10,000. plus at this point ppl would probably pay them to be an extra

[@nathanhensn8717]

Yay someone gets it! It's a way to save money at the end of the day and nothing else. It's not a movie it's a TV episode. Even though they print money, they still have to have a per episode budget. The Suits realise at this point no matter what it's going to print money so why dump another 5-10-15+Million? I know us fans would disagree, but it's their call. Even with the poor lighting it was still epic. Also there's going to be at least 1 more battle so..... watch it on your laptop/phone under the cover with brightness up and you can see 95% of it really well.

[@stewmeat9261]

I agree with that. Less detail = less money 💰

[@amyb745]

According to the writers in an interview with ET, HBO said they would fund any budget necessary in order to produce whatever spectacle the writers wanted. So I don’t think it had anything to do with lack of budget. I think the writers wanted to give the viewers the sense that they themselves were immersed in the battle along with the characters. Which is frenetic and chaotic. And that’s exactly what they delivered.

[@bringdabeards9122]

Normies: "Wow. What a great ending" Also Normies: "They made a Sonic movie! Wow, cool trailer!"

[@bringdabeards9122]

@Lics Norgi pretty close

[@asadhollow6477]

You are one of them who hate things to feel cool. Looser Anyway I didn't appreciate the ending I wished to see that fucking show down between night king vs brain

[@Azraeel11]

@@asadhollow6477 *Bran not brain. Spell right, he was actually one of the most powerful being in GOT (god tier) until show writers and directors ruined it. Btw i wanted to see night king's fighting skills against Jon Snow and then maybe be some mystical help from Brandon Stark and Arya could then kill him. They wasted everything. 5+ fucking years of my life building the hype for the final season. I feel betrayed, showrunners are cunts. I'm now leaving show and going to start reading those books of GRRM.

[@Observer420]

@@Azraeel11 GRRM is never going to finish the books, at least they're going to finish the show.

[@bringdabeards9122]

@@asadhollow6477 I hate you, just like all the cool people. Great use of grammar too, loser 😎

[@rezaasadi890]

I think I need to watch helms deep battle again to clean my mind of this shit show .

[@joshtice7783]

That's funny because it's exactly what I watched last night.

[@gingfreecss3467]

reza asadi wizard. I rewatched helms deep with my gf too, right after

[@hydreigon2709]

Exactly what i tought. Just to be remembered what a good battle looks like.

[@anonymoususer20246]

Glad it wasn't just me, I was literally yelling that I couldn't hardly tell what was going on. Nothing like waiting forever to finally see the battle and it reminds me of a bootlegged torrent copy from the year 2000.

[@ErdricksArmor]

Hmm. I didn't have this problem. I felt like the only times I couldn't see something, it was intentional. Such as the rolling horde of the dead first arriving to attack their front line out of the darkness. It helped to build the sense of dread the soldiers would have at that point

[@yr5135]

It's called the long night for a reason it's not supposed go be filmed during the day

[@Wawasjohn]

mattiedashark get a new tv then, or turn ur brightness up. I saw it so clear nothing like other shows.

[@ErdricksArmor]

@Emperor's Champion I think you're right. Probably have their brightness and contrast out of whack and are clipping the black levels

[@keto3883]

@Emperor's Champion what are the settings ? i tryed brightness and contrast in different settings.

[@eantays7185]

Arya is not a Mary Sue. The execution of the episode was just bad writing.

[@What-go8ng]

I mean, she's kinda become a Mary Sue. Name 1 flaw that current Arya has.

[@AragornRespecter]

What? She’s impulsive, she left her training early, and nearly got killed because of it. She wiped out an entire house without considering the consequences. Now, if she doesn’t face any serious consequences by the time the series ends, then we can have this conversation again

[@brendanauri]

Arya killing the Night King in the way she did single-handedly ruined the entire show. While I don't consider her a Mary Sue, Arya's character was definitely ruined from what it once was. She didn't "train for six seasons." She was getting beat up in Braavos until she killed the Waif, and then she magically became a super assassin who can teleport through armies of the undead.

[@ryanlabrie1527]

ya Arya is no marry sue, the problem is they didnt show her using any of her skills to kill the all powerful villian. she just comes in inexplicably from off frame, and stabs him with a little knife. no battle, no set up shot of her getting into position, making a distraction, using a face to get in, or any of her skills. Just the classic, "im out of frame so im invisible to all the enemies around me and can approach from nowhere unhindered" for the sake of making a "cool" shot. then make the night king have no combat ability and have Arya kill him with a really bad, suspension of disbelief breaking move. Shes no marry sue, but they sure gave her a marry sue scene in her moment of glory really making it not matter if she is one or not. none of her training or build up matters if you dont put it to use. they made killing the night king so easy, that im convinced Braun could have taken a few fighters north of the wall in like season 4 and just assassinated him and been done with this whole building villian that became nothing more than a side plot distraction. could have gotten it out of the way ages ago and saved all the time, time in which they now have very little of to wrap it all up.

[@bluetextonwhitebg]

well, she _was_ trained by the deadliest assassin in all of westeros. not hard to believe that she could sneak around a forest undetected.

[@liquidcurse4190]

@@bluetextonwhitebg then why did she get caught under the castle if she is so good at stealth

[@jshah1961]

They have been showing how quite she is and how good she is at sneaking up on people the whole season and even showed it in the assassins creed style in the castle to avoid all the wights. Mallisandra told her the whole blue eyes prophecy again and repeated not today and off she went, he'll you can even see the hair on one of the white walkers move as he turns around to see what it was and then bam she's attacking the night King. The only reason why he noticed her and almost stopped her is because she let out that last minute yell, but it was meant to be a surprise if they showed her sneaking up to them it would have made it weak.

[@thibaldus3]

Good point.

[@darrenfleming7901]

They should have showed her sneaking about and then had theon sacrifice himself to distract the night king and let her strike. Would have made an epic sequence and mostly made theon's death fell much more important, giving him the role of a hero.

[@benjaminpayzant5954]

Do you not simply love it when a story is told so interwoven and beautiful and over time has built up so much potential only for much of it to be thrown away with one episode flop? As a simple man, I can see that the writers have turned to "the crowd wants it so we gave it" attitude. They don't have a true connection with the bigger picture anymore. With that said, I still have respect for the efforts put into it.

[@Alex-cs1vq]

I'm pretty sure if you go on their YT channel and watch the video where they discuss the episode they basically said "we know people liked Lyana (the little girl) so we made her kill a giant". Thats it

[@TheSpaniard]

Please let me know if anyone agrees, but... Arya jumping out of nowhere to just stab the Night King, after nothing about her story suggested she should or would be the one, was the most colossal waste of 10 year build up that I've ever seen. Just another blatant attempt of HBO to shove their female empowerment down our throats (frankly, after Jon Snow became virtually worthless after his entire life was spent preparing to fight the dead/Long Night, female empowerment is ALL the show is about now). The biggest anti climactic let down I've experienced, and has essentially ruined the show for me. Ben, Arya might not be a full fledged Mary Sue, but she's damn near one with that Deus ex machina ability to just somehow get past 100s of wights and dozens of white walkers. Where are your FACTS and LOGIC to explain how she got to the Night King, or why it should have been Arya at all. They totally shoehorned it in just for the points of "oh look it was a 'twist' guys" and "bonus: it was a girl!! Super extra bonus: she was sexually liberated just before the battle!!!" So brave, HBO, so brave.

[@RIPFerrus]

I had this same argument with a friend. I posited that the only way she achieved that feat was because she assumed the face of a wight and snuck in with the rest of the undead as they closed in on Bran and Theon. Only way I could justify what I saw.

[@GekkeJonne]

I agree, but I wouldn't mind if it was Arya if at least her scenes in this episode led to that final moment of her killing him, but they didn't. It just happened randomly, out of nowhere. Nothing even suggested she was trying to get at the Night King, like for instance Jon Snow did when he thought he had a chance to fight him one on one

[@andresanchez728]

I still had hope the female empowerment was just a ruse for the final victory of masculinity but wtf was that episode? Even the symbolism of the red woman igniting the swords and then sending them to charge to their death seems to scream "This is just another piece of feminist propaganda, where we see all male power finally crushed."

[@TheSpaniard]

@@GekkeJonne yeah, you're right, that's another thing that annoyed me is that they didn't even hint at it until the very last minute when Melisandre said the color eyes Arya has killed (ending with blue for the night king), and then the "what do we tell death." Very, VERY forced.

[@TheSpaniard]

@@RIPFerrus I would agree, except we don't really know how the face thing works. Could she get a face off a wight/skeleton? How would it work with her not being "magically controlled" by a white walker (as in, would the walkers notice that a "wight" wasn't being controlled by them)? And would she have had enough time to get the face and then get over there? Those are are very granular questions that I could honestly forgive not having answers to and/or suspend logic to believe (since it's just a TV show obviously) if they'd at least shown how she got there. But they didn't because they knew they couldn't justify it, and so it just came out of nowhere. Huge let down. At least give me a duel between Jon Snow and the NK! But no, Jon just screams at a dragon instead lol

[@mouthbrooder5728]

They did Lord Baelish so dirty in season 6. He had that 'chaos is a ladder' soliloque. Come ON.

[@Dabblefarm]

This type of commentary is your true calling Ben... this is hysterical!

[@satchslater2804]

I agree with you Ben, the strategic layout of the troops was just crazy!! WHY :O

[@firejuggler31]

When I saw the charge I kinda assumed they charged without orders, as barbarians do. Maybe?

[@satchslater2804]

@@firejuggler31 I could live with that but couldnt they hire someone with a little more knowledge of these things to make it a little more plausible.

[@kupotenshi]

the fact that they didn't scorch the white walkers with dragon fire first was ridiculous

[@KoganeNoYubi]

The night king SMILING was the biggest fail !! EVER!!

[@Antonio-kv4lj]

Arya's teleportation was finishing blow to DD's writing

[@OfficialRatiio]

I don't mind that Arya got the final blow. The way in which it happened was unacceptable and unbelievable. Arya as a character is now so powerful that nothing else in the show matters. Problem? Arya appears behind them for the cheeky stab. She'll probably kill Cersei too and we will realise we were watching an Arya Stark superhero show the whole time.

[@Antonio-kv4lj]

@@OfficialRatiio yea that's mainly my problem with her too. The moment they killed Littlefinger so cheaply I knew there are some serious problems with show. But killing a character that's been so hyped since season 1 ep 1 by using some crazy, illogical "skill" of jumping out of nowhere while there are hundreds of one of the most brutal soliders around you is just... I 'don't even know what to call it

[@jabinshem1110]

She could have used a white walker face. That would've been awesome. The white walker besides the night King suddenly stabbing him... And then revealing that it's Arya.

[@Antonio-kv4lj]

@@jabinshem1110 the moment you kill them their face is gone...

[@katoyushiromitsu]

She didn't teleport. She wore the face of a nightwalker to get close. She has the power of the faceless men.