Sports Car Giant Test 2024 | Porsche vs McLaren vs Aston Martin & more!

[@CARmagazineTV]

Which car is your favourite?

[@VK6AB-]

(1) Artura, (2) Bimmer and (3) the S/T is marketing over substance - 991.2 GT3 touring is just as good.

[@m0e87]

@@CARmagazineTV 911

[@MohsinWadee]

Porsche

[@65hi863dhyu]

@@CARmagazineTV Emira, MX5 ND3 & GR86

[@jasondoe5741]

@@VK6AB-BMW?

[@outpatient83]

I get wanting to drive the 911 ST as a reviewer but I am getting tired of being told the best sports car is the one I can’t buy.

[@MrElnuno]

I’m going straight down to my local Porsche dealer to buy an ST this morning.

[@Driven-Productions]

😭

[@kornonacob]

Great decision...congratulations.... im waiting for my delivery next month 😊

[@sportreviewhd4767]

Wow that great guyz hope to meet you an see your specs with my green m4cs

[@My_Auto_Chronicles]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bootneck401664]

😂😂😂😂😂 see you down there

[@deanowarrior]

Track is nothing to me , country roads , cambers , bumps etc , true show of a cars abilities.

[@machohogan]

What a great video, super entertaining, thank you! All the complainers baffle me, those complaining say they don’t drive on the track, there are thousands of road tests on KZbin. This is one where they can legally push the cars to their limits. Just because you don’t go on the track doesn’t mean it isn’t a great entertaining video. How many videos are there on KZbin of people doing things with cars that you’d never do, or with cars you could never afford… and they’re fantastic. Take this for what it is, great drivers who know their stuff, driving amazing cars around a stunning track. I’m thankful there’s content like this out there for free…. Washing machine has just finished, got to get the stuff in the drier before my wife gets home so I’ll end it there. You’re very welcome ❤

[@CARmagazineTV]

Thanks for the kind words. Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@Aceimus1066]

Hopefully you managed to sort the laundry out in time! 😝

[@alvarovarela516]

Ioniq 5N

[@jmmch3358]

Definitive the 911, BMW M4 and the Artura are the best ones followed by the Hyundai Ioniq 5N which is the most fun to drive EV sport car.

[@jasondoe5741]

You are the only journalist of over the dozen I’ve heard say you prefer the mustang GT six speed over the dark horse

[@m0e87]

The camera perspective from the rear is so good to show the speed.

[@user-dz3ie5me2t]

Today's enormous, overweight and luxurious high-performance cars have never stopped me from terribly missing my primitive, light and direct Toyota AE86 I had when was young. And that's why I still ride a sport bike for fun, drive a cheap small SUV for commute, grocery shopping and don't feel like missing anything at all.

[@avmelidor]

I had one too. Although it was my uncles and he bought it in Germany

[@mkultra336]

I'm not one to track my vehicles, therefore the Aston is an easy choice, as a dream car

[@TheGreekCarGeek]

Hope you get one!

[@markpass4215]

Well 911 ST isn’t a contender as its not available…apart from a flipper at significant premium…but even if you could the Aston just looks sublime, sexy, stylish, sophisticated with plenty of speed…so Aston will do..Thanks

[@Driven-Productions]

Truth

[@TheGreekCarGeek]

@@markpass4215 the Aston is the sexiest, agree with you there; but the S/T is a very very special unicorn. Comparing the two, Aston is turbo, so the sound is (subjectively) worse, the throttle response is worse, and it’s redline is 2K fewer revs. The S/T is the only car in the world right now with a single mass flywheel from the factory, and it revs like a Carrera GT or LFA. The S/T is 420kg lighter (925 pounds!!) and the second lightest car Porsche currently produces (the manual base Boxster is 16 pounds lighter at 3040lbs). The Aston is just shy of 4K pounds, it’s a boat. The S/T is manual, and a shining example of a manual at that. Does Aston make any manuals outside of the limited edition Valour? The S/T has lightened every single point of rotating and reciprocating mass/unsprung mass: from Ti conrods, to carbon ceramic brakes, to magnesium wheels, and carbon fiber aero-sculpted double wishbone suspension; the Aston is a (sexy af) grand tourer with a muted AMG turbo engine, with noted turbo lag, and there’s arguably nothing special about the powerplant, or the car, outside of a banger of a design. My 2 cents

[@flat6croc]

If you can afford an ST new, you can afford to buy one flipped. Honestly, what does it matter if it costs £250,000 or £400,000? Both are beyond my budget, but the ST is totally buyable so totally relevant. The price is the price, you take it or leave it.

[@TheGreekCarGeek]

@@flat6croc truth! I’m buying one! I was told it was impossible since I have no purchase history, but I find it relevant 😅

[@markpass4215]

What is all this about needing to see what gear you’re in?…Before digital displays did you need to look down at the gear lever pattern to tell you? Can’t you feel it?..remember it?…. Is it a sign of Too much time on video games?

[@boringuserhandle]

I assume you that avid racing game fans know exactly what gear they're in without looking. It's a weird critique and I agree with you totally that it's a non issue.

[@Mr995pippo]

The Tremek of the Dark Horse trasmission is better than the Ford M82 unit used for the GT. It's shorter, has a more mechanical feeling and it's clear and smooth. I hope you will test it

[@urbanstrencan]

CARmagazine, what an amazing video! The choice of contenders was just perfect. Your driving reviews are some of the best out there. I would go for Aston Martin Vantage on looks alone ;) As for proper driving machine, I think you cant beat Porshe 911 S/T, and I was really surprised to see what the Hyundai N division was able to do with the Ioniq 5N, a proper driver EV, would love to see how Porsche Taycan Turbo GT would perform at this test?

[@hbullock]

Resale value aside, I’d take a spyder rs over an s/t. You picked the wrong Porsche, imo. Nothing compares to the spyder rs intake sound.

[@Keiferdrives]

I agree, ST was made for collectors and I love the induction noise on the GT4RS and Spider RS. All the videos don't capture the actual induction sound, and I drove one with a full aftermarket exhaust. Almost blew my eardrums out once the valves opened and the engine started sucking in air.

[@Mr995pippo]

I agrer. And it's lighter and topless, just percect

[@jays9211]

@@Mr995pippo have you ever seen what an abortion that top is to try to take down and put up that’s enough to keep me away from the car

[@user-yq6ov6ow7l]

I wouldn’t. Drove a brand new cayman gts 4.0 and a 911t back to back at a porsche hosted track event. 911 is better in every way than a cayman.

[@TheGreekCarGeek]

@@Mr995pippo the Spyder RS is actually 158 lbs heavier than the S/T, and that’s ONLY if you option the Weissach package AND the carbon ceramic brakes AND magnesium wheels… those save 154lbs (+88 +44 +22lbs respectively); it would be 312lbs heavier comparing stock vs stock.

[@TheGreekCarGeek]

All great cars, but the S/T is my dream car, so I’m biased 😅

[@marty1035]

plugs are for butts. Yaris the best smile per dollar spent.

[@Andrew-vx2ls]

I think the test needs to be more realistic. Many of the cars are very expensive or in a few cases simply unavailable (you would need to buy a load of clunky Porsche EVs before they would even give you a brochure for a ST). This rules out the 911. Other ownership factors are important. Too many questions are left unanswered. Do they have too much unrepairable weighty tech, what is the fuel economy, the resale values, the usability / performance away from the race track, whether the dealers can manage the complexity (increasingly even simple Volkswagen hybrids take months to repair)...? Car Magazine should take such factors into account imho. The list should be rather Cayman, Alpine, Corolla GR, Mazda MZ-5 etc.

[@RobinH8869]

Track only reviews are just so dull... What's the point of not considering on the real world road

[@Blas4ublasphemy]

People considering a second or third car don't care about daily driving merits.

[@m0e87]

I feel like those cars would only be more fun on a normal road.

[@America-The-Great]

I agree...review on the road too!!🎉🎉

[@carguy7627]

I was struggling with the relevance of the track as well. Personally for a sports car I don't car about "daily driving merits" as @Blas4ublasphemy referenced. However, I do all my driving on public roads. Bumpy back roads with lots of undulation and blind corners where you'd never want to break the rear lose is where I live when I go out to drive for pleasure. This type of track is too different from that for me to really get a feel for how the cars would be in that type of environment. That would be a much harder video to make so I understand why they don't do it. This one big reason why I love Harry's Garage because he's always testing cars on "normal" roads.

[@toddfry6635]

And, what’s the deal with every test driver trying to drift all these cars? I don’t get it.

[@macoyupadoodle]

That Aston looks the best

[@dickie997]

I don’t understand why you have to drive them with the tail smoking the tyres. No one drives like that on the road and after doing 50 track days I can tell you that no one drives like that on the track because it’s wasteful and dangerous. It’s a pity you don’t just show good lines and balance with the cars.

[@Aliens_Gonna_Get_Ya]

PORSCHE!!! 👊👊👊💥💥💥🏁🏁🏁

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

I can't help but think that these tests could use price tiers so as to offer categories which are more relatable. The Aston Martin, Porsche, and McLaren are essentially exotics; a GR Yaris, Subaru BRZ, Honda Civic Type R etc are much more relevant to most enthusiasts of the Millennial or Gen Z persuasion. I'd enjoy seeing a lineup of the latter cars just as much, probably. I'm not looking for 650hp in a street car, especially if I have to pay for gas!! ⛽😄

[@GarryMcGovern]

In the real world, I'd take an Alpine A110S or Toyota GR86 over half the cars in this test (a Nomad?).

[@porkchopexpress6969]

Well I’ll never get that Aston or Porsche, the nomad seems like the most fun toy to me, so I’d take that first.m(even though it’s still out of my budget).. to each his own.

[@RobertKwolek]

Difficult to get excited about any of them. They're all big and heavy, or very expensive, or ugly. Not a single one is small, light, beautiful and reasonably priced, which shouldn't be such a high bar for this category.

[@bossadave]

I’m tyred of seeing tortured tires on racetracks and Smokey power slides that prove nothing. Move the game on we tyre of it.

[@davidthomson692]

My dream car , which I own is a 1990 twin turbo 300zx manual It is so precious to me that I could not , would not even try to drive it like this on a track A spirited drive on quiet country lanes is heaven. This is the test a Huron should be doing to be relative to life and what it actually offers

[@danielshinerock1526]

I recommend you do not lend it to anyone! I have a non modified 200 Sx S14a. My pride and Joy!

[@geoffclarke3796]

The 911 ST gets my vote for that thrilling flat six that revs to 9000rpm and a brilliant manual gearbox.

[@TheRoggan123]

Great test, tragedy that the ST is not the GT3 Touring that can actually be purchased...

[@VK6AB-]

The S/T is marketing over substance - 991.2 GT3 touring is just as good - in essence the S/T is recognition the 992.1 GT3 touring was a bit too stiffly sprung, made worse by a quicker rack than the 991 series. Not a fan of any 992 tbh.

[@sevensixtysteve8662]

Ooooh tough choice but it would be between the 911 and the Aston for me as it's just so beautiful. I think the Aston by the whiskery of whiskers. Great review, I enjoyed this a lot. Its really interesting to see how cars like these compare on track - the turn in on the Mclaren was extraordinary !

[@robrackstraw]

"It's about sheer driving enjoyment. Whichever car, regardless of price, puts the biggest smile on our face...shall be announced the winner.". No it won't. That was the Nomad. But when push comes to shove, practicality counts for more than we care to admit.

[@arzsas56]

Porsche will always be porsche man they do know how to make a drivers sports car. Very disappointed with that vantage though

[@Trendytalk86]

M4 CS

[@nawafa4307]

I could have predicted this one.

[@65hi863dhyu]

Pure driving enjoyment? You forgot the winner. GR86.

[@patrickbateman7122]

As an owner i wholeheartedly agree! 😂👍

[@jmmch3358]

Lacks more power. Grenade engines.

[@65hi863dhyu]

@jmmch3358 60K miles on my '22 BRzz with $20K in mods. Love it as much as my Evora. Funny how the internet isn't real life. But neither is as fun as my Elise. But a K24 swap might change everything. 86 is the lightest/stiffest unibody NA RWD manual stiff coupes in history under 3000 lbs. I've owned the other 3. 991 3.4/Cayman 987/RX8. That's it. But most of you aren't ready for chassis tech talk. Don't say MX5/S2000. Body flex sucks and so does excess weight 🏎🍻

[@TheChismillionaire]

Aston is just a looker and filthy. The interior now sorted....that's the one for me. Go right down to a dealer and they'd love to sell you one for not over sticker specced in whatever iconoclast interior leather you would like or straight 007 spec.

[@rucamorim]

I’d go for the Nomad, every single time!

[@heint8169]

The Aston has a V8 from AMG, let's not hide that fact. Where's the Corvette?

[@afrikengunner]

So are you angry at the fact that they have a reliable engine now?

[@user-ie1hg5ov1m]

I question why the Eray isn't in this test. I understand why the Z06 and Stingray arent.

[@maximborodyuk3773]

@@afrikengunner I'm not sure amg one is more reilable than previous n/a

[@afrikengunner]

@maximborodyuk3773 it's a BMW engine

[@maximborodyuk3773]

@@afrikengunner I'm pretty sure beautiful N/A V8 in V8 Vantage (1st gen) has nothing to do with bmw ugliness. It's an evolution of Ford/Jag efforts. Don't even bring garbage bmw in the same sentence with Aston lol

[@larssonk22]

Did you guys ever drive the Lotus Emira i4?

[@patrickbateman7122]

Just realised who he sounds like! Partridge!! 😂😛

[@LostDunny2023]

That new Mustang is hideous.

[@ThrottleBody]

Very spec dependent.

[@Ponyreiter]

You can still get S550's with 0 mls/km.

[@johnnygreen5642]

Man screens have ruined cars

[@thenewalexf65]

Driving a Porsche you talk about the positives, driving the others you talk about the negatives. Is this the way to do a road test? We should stop this attitude on the net talking loudly against it

[@HuguesJunior1]

The engine sound from the Ionic is messing with my head? What’s going on here? Down shifting into a right hander in an EV?

[@stickshifter8]

What a surprise the Porsche won, said no one.

[@michaelm1105]

Any track times?

[@wiggly1]

As much as the reviewers love the 911 ST, it's not a fair comparison to include it when it's unobtainable... you just can't walk into a showroom and buy one. That shouldn't be a reflection on CAR Magazine, but more so on Porsche for punting this car about to all automotive journalists to review. Why build the perfect car and then not let people buy it.

[@WestCoastSupercarsandClassics]

You can just get a Cayman 4.0 GTS or a 911 T instead. Arguably very similar in feel, problem solved!

[@LilymayKincaid-xj4pq]

I like cars xx

[@larssonk22]

shame this is in 1080p and not 4K

[@johnnyr25]

I do think it has to be said that as heavy as the Hyundai is it is quite a bit lighter than an Audi RS6 Avant or the current BMW M5 Touring. This is the world we live in now.

[@dstewusa7054]

@johnnyr25 M5 Touring, Yes, but the C8 RS6 Performance is quoted at 2075kgs (4600lbs) - heavy but not the 2200kgs that the Hyundai is

[@boringuserhandle]

Car Magazine say the Yaris doesn't rotate enough, yet there are half a dozen other reviews where it's fully sideways in every shot...

[@CARmagazineTV]

You can absolutely get it sideways if you try! But we wanted to feel more movement from the rear end under braking.

[@eliotsalandybrown]

🤩What a lovely video. Thanks for spending time helping us understand how these cars FEEL 👍

[@TIMSANDYSURF]

If only McLaren could back up their cars with a comprehensive 6 year warranty and top notch customer service, then Artura should really be the one to buy.

[@kristian6622]

No M5??

[@Mr888rM]

If you told me 10 years ago that the car I would most like to drive, even more than McLaren's first hybrid since the P1, was a Full EV Hyundai with fake 4cyl noise and fake gears I would have laughed in your face.

[@jonac5561]

If the suspension is anything like my previous 992 touring it’s too harsh for uk roads so for me even if I had the opportunity to purchase a st it wouldn’t be my choice maybe the 992t is the better car ?

[@51madmitch]

Well a good review of some fabulous cars, warm flat track only not so good, I wouldn’t spend £42K on a Golf which let’s face VW with all it’s knowledge could set up in their sleep, great audio in track conditions, even in the red pipe car ? Buggy ? thing, (Autocar take note) thanks for the test, but public road test far more important and relevant.

[@kenoh818]

The BMW M4 CS seems and sounds more exciting than the Aston Martin!

[@TIMSANDYSURF]

But the BMW makes you look like the local drug dealer.

[@kenoh818]

@TIMSANDYSURF I don't mind that!

[@TIMSANDYSURF]

@@kenoh818just a couple of wraps for me then 😂😂

[@NaqeebWatson]

@@kenoh818and the Aston makes you look like a James Bond wannabe

[@kenoh818]

@@NaqeebWatson let me get the M4 CS first then you can call me whatever you want!

[@joakimhansson8039]

I need to drive on this track. Anyone have a link?

[@markgt894]

Big thanks to the EU for making the Mustang lose around 50hp 🙄

[@Ponyreiter]

It is still enough, isn't it? 🤷‍♂

[@SingSurfStrum]

absolutely !

[@America-The-Great]

Great review ❤❤

[@DBtwoz]

Your editor who thinks the Darkhorse isn’t that different for the money, is completely wrong. It is nearly a different car, particularly when optioned out.

[@stubailey9433]

Rather have a Superbike, but the Mclaren would be my choice.

[@elnyoutube123]

17:16 Did you expect it to miss a beat?

[@steveness7909]

My favorite is the Lotus Emira

[@rmlambert95]

WHERE'S 4K like the previous years????

[@e36s54]

This is actually a landmark video.... it's the first time a group of Brit's picked the Porsche. Does Prosser know about this!

[@G82Watts]

M4 cs and ST. Mclaren are too go- karty for me. Way too harsh and really bad quality interior

[@mitchellsteindler]

Not an SUV in sight. Weird how top gear messed that up.

[@KensAlpaca]

Did you say "without further or do"? 1:40 Are you absolutely mental?

[@logical_lb3059]

Add timestamps

[@mariorivas9673]

Why am I listening to this in Spanish-ish??? I'm in Porgual!!!

[@Murphy252000]

To track a GR Yaris is missing the point.

[@Fact_Check77]

How about you test a whole bunch of cars in the same classes from different years agaist each other

[@dawdawes]

No Alpine A110?

[@Funkyboozer]

When they’re boasting about a single mass flywheel you know they over complicated things over the last 20 years

[@connclissmann6514]

Big selection.

[@chendaddy]

So the three most expensive cars finished top 3. 😐

[@dominickbrookes5103]

Since the beginning of KZbin time...911

[@kornonacob]

Porsches, BMWs are the original ones....the aston is just a fancy skinned Mercedes Benz

[@petersafwat8228]

What do you mean regardless of price dude price is the number 1 measure of the value of the performance of the car that's why the gr Yaris a few years back was raved about....also no road segment is dumb as none of these cars will ever be driven on track for value and warranty related reasons and learn to close the doors before taking glam shots of the cars. As for the mustang what do you mean you didnt think the difference is big enough? shod a car with ps4s and cup2s and lets see how different it is and the gearbox is different in dark horse cause its tremec and as i have tried them back to back the difference is noticiable.

[@mugdays]

"withour further or due"???

[@sq1rlsqu4d]

He's clearly not an avid reader of Shakespeare :) I thought he said "ordure" at first 😅

[@boringuserhandle]

Yeah, how on earth did that get left in?

[@coreyegan6751]

Including a Kia EV is ballsy. That's the kinda stuff that will get you unsubscribed!

[@pope400]

No GR86??

[@jmmch3358]

The Mustang GT doesn't deserve to be in the show, you should have brought in the Mustang Dark Horse and the Corvette Z06 both with their track package.

[@Ponyreiter]

The Mustang track package is not offered over here.

[@Hali88]

"without further or do"

[@NewCastleIndiana]

Corvette.

[@jasondoe5741]

I never understand track reviews but yet don’t talk track times!?

[@futuramanut]

I guessed right...

[@NaqeebWatson]

500 doesn’t sound like much excuse me 😂😅

[@neilmcgregor809]

"without further or do"??

[@armo28]

😂😂 I could have wrote the result down and not watch the video. The car you can’t buy won! Pointless

[@sixpotshot]

Alll these cars, bar a few, and together the whole car industry, head in the wrong direction. We want less of everything in what concerns size, weight, cost, driver assistance and driver interference and complexity. There is no need for more engine performance than what an Alpine A110 or a Cayman 981 S offers but I'll extend that to 981.1 or 981.2 GT4. Make sure we can have a normal aspirated and a 3 pedal sports car rather than a handicapped one even if PDK faster. And don't dial down on safety eg crash protection. Give us what we want and give us what we can buy. CAR magazine's effort to put up heat another mega test is appreciated but most of these cars have got zero appeal for various and different reasons. And for some odd reason a McLaren Artura doesn't even come across as aspirational maybe because subconsciously all I can think of it is a Big Bag of Bills...

[@alanthecat59]

Whole test makes no sense, road cars on a track?

[@jmmch3358]

You should test drive the Camaro SS1LE and ZL1, Mustangs (Dark Horse, Mach l, Shebly GT350R and GT500 CFTP), C8 Corvette Z06 (Z07 package), and the Viper ACR.

[@Ponyreiter]

Most of the cars you named are not longer in production... 🤷‍♂

[@jmmch3358]

@Ponyreiter Dark Horse & C8 Z06 are still in production. And it doesn't matter if they aren't in production, you can still get them on the used market and have an oustanding performance for what they cost even able to beat many expensier european sport cars at the track.

[@Ponyreiter]

@jmmch3358 But they are not 2024 performance cars, except those two... 🤷‍♂️

[@quentinfreeman7516]

This is the first time I've ever heard anyone say they prefer the MT82 over the Tremec 6 speed in the Mustang lol.

[@Randomletterjgdgcihfssjvdy]

Sports cars can't be too powerful because then it isn't a sports car. It becomes a supercar or a muscle car. The Aston vantage is not a sports car because it is too powerful. The Vantage is a supercar or a muscle car

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

Some muscle cars can be sportscars and so on and so forth. I'd consider the Aston more of a hybrid between a supersports and a super GT now, it's not full on supercar ergonomically, neither is it as nimble but it's close.

[@ghostridertom]

I strongly oppose those super priced and unavailable cars being tested with the normal ones.