Sports Card Investor & Cardcollector2 Discuss the SPORTS CARD Market - I REACT

@sportscardinvestor and @cardcollector2 review the state of the sports card market. I chime in with my agreements and disagreements.
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[@michaeldenzer6024]

Dec. 2023 Was huge for me!!!

[@jamesnguyen7069]

for most 'average' collectors, they do not care about the market, since they just collect what they love. the blimp in 21 was just a blimp. now its back to normal. lol... for investors, theyre sad cause they speculated on wander, trey lance and zion. bye.

[@theloudcollector]

bingo, well said! Guys like above just get in our way lol .... not you Tyler, you're cool brother, ONE OF US!

[@tellyouwhatttt22]

Exactly I was so annoyed during that time period 😂

[@jamesesslinger1976]

I started buying, selling and trading cards in 1980 and the market has always been up and down. The difference is that now in 12 months the market swings up and down hundreds of times lol

[@TylerShort]

Precisely! The amount of dollars spent stays the same but when looking at 2 players, one player could swing up 50% and another down 50%. The amount of speculation is absolutely insane.

[@michaeldenzer6024]

Box prices are dropping on ebay

[@cksportscards623]

As long as the stock market remains stable, the cards will continue to sell just fine. There is a correlation between the stock market and collectable markets. When unemployment rises (which it will) all markets will drop. Until then keep your inventory as low as possible, and youll be fine. Still lots of money to make.

[@IcebergCaptain]

Can’t wait for the overhead costs to crush Geoff and his new failed venture….

[@michaeldenzer6024]

I did better in 2023 than 2022 still growing so far

[@bradlipshaw1033]

I am buying wax and keeping it sealed for someone else to gamble. I have most sports mostly blasters going back to 2019. Good strategy?? Yes or no, when would you sell?

[@TylerShort]

Hmm, it can be! I mean it depends on the sport and year and whether or not there is a good class. My concern with retail is all of that stuff is printed to outer space. It could turn into stuff the next 1988 Topps or appreciate nicely. Now, that's hyperbole, it will be better than junk wax baseball topps as there is always the "chance" at hitting a loto big ticket item whether it be a parallel or RC, but I'm not bullish on high print run products with mediocre rookie years depending on the sport. I do agree with you however that stashing away key wax products that are 1) not speculated 2) of good rookie classes and 3) have a respectably low print run is not a bad strategy at all

[@michaeldenzer6024]

He thinks.....

[@jamesnguyen7069]

taylor swift made football a global game.

[@TylerShort]

Maybe switfy will give our cardmarket a booost gary v style

[@kace9447]

I really appreciate your videos! What are your thoughts on the upcoming 2024 NFL cards? My thinking with 8 projected quarterbacks being drafted in 1st 3 rounds and Daniel Jeremiah has 11 wide receivers in his top 50 prospects and 1 elite tight end, 2024 NFL draft class could have so much hype making it very popular.

[@TylerShort]

Much appreciated Kace! My initial reaction is because this is a heavy QB class: 1) Wax is going to be through the roof; 2) the dollars flowing into the new QBs is going to evaporate some fringe current QB markets and drastically reduce the market size of other QBs who finished with disappointing seasons. 3) As far as who is the one to pick up, far too early to tell as a lot will depend on what teams land each guy in the draft

[@jackhr]

Re: your terapeak data methods. Curious why you dont filter to trading card singles. When I dug in to replicate, that filter can swing things a lot and I think it is more accurate for singles market. If you look at listing pulled by broader keyword sample, its a HUGE volume of wax and breaks listings that keyword spam with rookies from the product. I think this skews data certain ways. Maybe do a video comparing results with and without the filter and let us know your thoughts.

[@TylerShort]

It honestly just takes way too much time to click, but yes that would be more accurate. Can’t imagine it causing that much variation for the majority of players other than MJ (jerseys, maybe shoes?)

[@paulmouradjian6045]

Please tell us ..... Who is the Next Will Grier?

[@LC_Baseball]

Thanks for the content. Do you normally run eBay auctions or buy nows? I’m new to eBay and jw. Thanks for your time

[@duanetomka6559]

So if I would have started a channel, then a card shop, and just recorded myself non-stop at card shows...I could be this "famous"? :-p Tyler, please keep doing what you are doing. One thing I have noticed is that not the basketball hobby REALLY pulled back and exposed itself as not having as large of a collector base as we had thought during the boom. I think that sport had the most flippers and very little organic growth. People like to trash baseball but it still is the safest sport in the hobby AND has the largest collector base of any of the sports...maybe even of all the other sports combined.

[@chrefboho13]

Facts! The amount of major offers I get on eBay with basketball is unreal. I’m big into baseball, basketball, and football. Baseball dominates the sales on cards I follow

[@u_s_a_cards]

Geoff strikes me as someone who doesn't do any data dives. He just talks a bunch of shit. And that's why he continues to lose on just about every front. Ryan runs circles around the Sports Card Investor.

[@jrgeb99]

CC2 is always going to say that the market is growing.

[@TylerShort]

Yup, if you’ve got a shop or business that is your exclusive source of income, it’s in your best interest to paint the hobby as rosy as possible

[@harjimbaugh4234]

its cool that u got on the podcast with them.

[@TylerShort]

Haha, I don’t think they would invite me to talk sports cards lol

[@ZiggyNo]

GREAT comments and insights. Love your points on market and baseball cards are and have always been #1. It is clear that there are lots of NEW perspectives in #thehobby with out the experience. Time is humbling. Should this be regulated? Can we self regulate?

[@TylerShort]

I don't understand why people were confused by this. It's even obvious in the terminology. People say "I have a bunch of ol' baseball cards in the garage." They never say that about football or basketball. Sports cards almost literally implies baseball cards!

[@andrewsmith7523]

CC2 gets paid by Panini and Topps to promote their products right? Can't think of any other justifiable reason he'd be opening all their new products on video and talking them up despite the obvious shortcomings

[@tellyouwhatttt22]

Geoff is still a newbie so his takes are odd at times 😂

[@TylerShort]

Don't disagree here

[@sando425]

You skipped over one of my biggest revenue generators last year--TCG and non-sports. Obviously, it's your choice to dismiss these markets but sports card collectors definitely crossover into Pokemon, Marvel, etc.

[@TylerShort]

To that I don't dispute. I will admit that is not my forte. I tend to segregate those in their own category. I get that there is now crossover from the flippers who are chasing the new shiny object to provide themselves the most yield, much like NFTs, tickets, VHS. I just view non sports and TCG as a completely separate category even if they are technically trading cards. I'm a fan of sports exclusively

[@BatoMijac]

Well Said Tyler.... You could not have said it better... That they Fanatics want to 10 X the hobby by having more "degenerate gamblers" into the hobby

[@TylerShort]

Yes and that’s why for the most part the two speakers focused almost exclusively on wax as an overall gauge of the hobby. That is NOT a great gauge of the hobby IMO. For that you would need to look at individual card(s) or player(s) markets over time. We all know wax is fueled by degenerate gambling and breaking addicts. Using that as a measure of market health and speaking to it almost exclusively doesn’t provide the best insight IMO

[@BatoMijac]

Hi Tyler. The other thing that bothers me is going to trade shows like the Dallas Card Show I just attended a few week ago AND these young dealers that have a "stack of cash of hundreds" bundled together in their case saying Buying or Selling. So bad for the Hobby. Bad impression for young kids seeing all that money - Only Incurs more Gambling Mentality. I am 52 years old and collect mostly Baseball cards from the 60 and 70s. I tend to gravitate to conversations with the Older Dealers than the younger "make a fast buck" dealer. Thanks.

[@jackhr]

95% agreed. I do think there was a large increase in pure collecting the past 5 years, its just that its drowned out in dollar volume by speculation and gambling. Still, lots of collector-only categories of singles that sustained increases. Low end 90s NBA inserts, weird rare team collector stuff I track. --> Obviously down from 2020 but when dust settled prices stayed up somewhat from 2019.

[@jackhr]

A lot of these collectors are dudes with monthly budgets in the 10s or at most 100s for cards.

[@Mskedu47]

lol mahomes is winning games but no one likes him

[@TylerShort]

Success does bring the haters out

[@hhenry76]

These two balloon guys want the sports card market up because of their business. Sports card is dead. Move on. Hello crypto and stock market😊

[@TylerShort]

Bitcoins to the moooooooooon. Speculators already calling 120K :( The yield chasing from humans today is pretty ridiculous

[@nathanielnelson2080]

I wouldn't be surprised if football cards overpass baseball cards at some point soon because of all the young star quarterbacks.

[@TylerShort]

I would say if any sport can do it, it's probably football the way the sport is trending in popularity. So many eyeballs on football and such a fun sport to follow.