Czechmate - Canada Eliminated From World Juniors | 32 Thoughts

[@KennethFrinskie]

Hockey Canada needs a complete house clean.

[@gordtulk]

That’s been needed for decades. Ditto the HHOF.

[@ianhowes8141]

Canada's problem is arrogant over-confidence - they think themselves unbeatable when in fact every team wants to beat them and plays accordingly.

[@Yoshyoshbgosh]

They're still young lol theyre going to learn from this and be better next time around.

[@DudleyDoright-ru2ch]

Not the way I see this. This was not arrogance but a completely unorganized team that never got rolling. US wins the cup for arrogance IMO.

[@brent3611]

@@Yoshyoshbgosh thats what people said last year

[@DarkJediForce]

Hockey Canada is just as political and plays favorites as any organization that deals with profit. Canada has so many talented players that we could ice 3 teams that could win medals and it's that depth of talent that gives those in power the confidence to choose players that are controversial. Certain players have more political pull than others due to family or agents or sponsors or all of the above. Making a WJC team Canada team can be career defining.

[@michael7018]

I tell you what I saw. Bunch of dumb undisciplined conceited kids who think they are better than any other teams. They deserved to lose. The coaches are to blame. I would never allow my kid to be coached by these dumb adults. Watch, they will do the same next game and do the dumbest thing and lose. They need serious mental health support and better parenting. I've never seen a bunch of conceited kids so dumb as that team this year. Bad parenting is also plainly obvious. Better players were left off the roster as we all know. $ and influence has corrupted Hockey Canada and i see a fallout from fans, viewerships and broadcast revenue in the horizon. Im ashamed of my country for showing the wrong side of what true young great canadian kids are like to the rest of the world. Shame is on you Hockey Canada.

[@giannicardinali175]

Don't Canadians realize that bullying intimidation is over? The hits that cost them were so NOT NECESSARY! Even if no penalty were called how were they supposed to help your team win? Fundamentally change the "Canadian Way"! 2025 Hello!!!

[@dmwd96]

Good point. Countries need to nerf and change the game of hockey in order to beat Canada. Canadians are just tougher I guess. Europeans are soft. Nothing new there.

[@Rick-C-117]

Elliot sounds way better on a 1.25x playback speed.

[@davestrange3718]

im going to try it on 1.25....ya your right

[@streetdog75]

Like he's on cocaine lol

[@brendantallett]

Thanks he talks very slow . I forgot about the playback speed

[@streetdog75]

The reality is that the rest of the world is catching up to (or caught up with) Canada in terms of developing hockey players. Just look at the 4-nations tournament, and the goalies Canada has penciled in...

[@yurk21]

Cowen and Dickinson might be the most overrated players I’ve seen. Coaching was a complete disaster. Bonk should’ve been in the bumper from the start. And honestly Luchanko was their most consistent forward the entire tourney. Pretty good in all 3 zones. Should’ve got way more ice time. That Latvia game he scores on a breakaway and you don’t use him in the shootout!? Let alone being one of your faster skaters and you don’t use him in OT? Makes zero sense. There’s a reason why Dave Cameron isn’t coaching in the nhl still. What a moron. Also don’t get me started on the undisciplined penalties… yikes just embarrassing. It’s also not best on best if Russia isn’t there.

[@jirikozelsky-326]

Thats why I love Elliotte, more calmer than most Canadian experts. I am from Europe and rules here and in IIHF tournaments are different. Both penalties in NHL would probably be OK but by IIHF standarts these are both borderline between minor to major penalties. By IIHF standarts these were good calls.

[@dmwd96]

Basically playing soccer out there. When the rules are changed to benefit embellishment and the European style, then did Canada really stand a chance?

[@arpanpatel715]

Canada can always cheer for the USA, since they’re going to be the 51st state anyways

[@gazooJG2]

2 Years , Same results , From the top down things need to be reset.

[@klausschraud7303]

They picked the wrong players goal tender wasn’t good enough defensively not good enough coaching not good enough

[@RicBerry-fb1ld]

So the OHL thinks they dont get enough representation?! Hockey Canada revolves around Toronto and Ontario, the OHL should say thank you then keep quiet,,15 players from the OHL is one of the main problems. Canada top scorer is a maritimer who played in the bchl, tournament best goalie and top goal scorer from the QMJHL,,but the OHL still complains?

[@bonn1771]

Great pod

[@giannicardinali175]

Fantastic interview with Bernie Ferderko my favorite Blue of all time. I finally love you Elliot!!

[@timmanto1022]

I hope ABC and TNT get to broadcast WJC games in the states. I also hope that more American markets host the U20 WJC. The states has hosted lots of tournaments at the U18 tournament.

[@youssefhamdan6571]

It was wedgewood that got hurt, not Blackwood. And bednar challenged the play as an F you challenge to make the officials look at it on the iPad, knowing the challenge would fail. You would know that if you watched the rest of the bednar interview👍🏽 the whole point of embellishment is for scenarios where the goalie/player might fake the injury. You can’t justify not blowing the whistle because you assume embellishment… if this dude tore his acl, I think the reff looks pretty bad.

[@matthewgore7726]

What are thoughts on a stadium series game in SLC at some point at Rice Eccles Stadium? Maybe in 2033 of 34, either before or after the Olympic games.

[@LA-ly9mq]

You can sit there and say that that is the rule book all you want but at the end of the day the referees interpret the rules differently. Just look at how inconsistent the calls are throughout the course of a game. They literally blew a play dead in the first period of that avalanche game last night because they thought Dahlin was injured. And in that situation he wasn't even in danger of getting hit with the puck he was way back in the neutral zone. Not to mention the Avalanche had control of the puck. They make exceptions to that rule all the time. Just like Bednar said. Furthermore, you say that it was a scoring chance but that's just it. It wasn't a scoring chance until Benson scoots free with the puck and starts the wrap around. As soon as that went off to the corner it was no longer a scoring chance.

[@jaccexx7565]

You did not lose to refs... you lost to arrogance. Be humble and respect your opponents.

[@Nathanielhiggerson66]

100%

[@Nathanielhiggerson66]

@@jaccexx7565Avs won the game

[@J-R__]

The ref must have seen the empty net with wedgewood writhing in agony and thought “this is a good scoring chance for buffalo”

[@geoffc-j6b]

How bout teuvo t and connor murphy for JT Miller? As a Hawks fan I'd love this.

[@royanderson3478]

Kyle Davidson is blank blank😮. He KD has signed some $$$$$ bad 👎 😳 players. Hawks aren't winning a cup 😒 in my lifetime, i know the ownership is family #%%^^#

[@deeshmond]

52:00 The Oilers an option for Toews? They could use another bottom six center, Bowman is there, Keith is a consultant…

[@stephenlefort8730]

Thanks Mr. Friedman 😁

[@Krimbopulous]

I do feel bad for the Canadian kids. That tournament has gotten so popular and it just feels weird as a 35 year old completely shitting on children via Twitter. Honestly another reason why we need a real best-on-best adult World Cup.

[@mikpopiel473]

I'll post here what I posted on TSN KZbin today. This too often expressed notion of "the rest of the world is catching up to us", expressed by on screen, voice or print pundit, is nothing but extended denialism. The message reply I got today from a very proud but deluded Canadian Hockey fan was that "The CHL has been, is now and will forever be the best training ground for young hockey players in the world!". It's time to admit that the mainstays in the WJC have caught up to us. The evidence is there. This year was abundantly clear evidence. Last year was clear evidence. The last decade has been building this evidence. Our development system is broken, all the way down to local Minor Hockey affiliated with Hockey Canada. The USA with their NCAA (and USA Hockey) system has far surpassed development (both athletically and educationally, and absolutely monetarily) of the CHL (with the OHL marketing itself as the "Best development league in the world"- because they said so). The Finns and Swedes are on Par, and arguably better. The Czech's. are arguably knocking on that door as well. This is not just Anecdote. The empirical evidence is there at minimum the last two WJC. The numerical evidence is there as well. In This years rosters all but four of USA are NCAA, with the four being OHL. Sweden, all homegrown there but 1 in the WHL. Finland, only 6 in the CHL, remainder nationally or USA developed (including AHL). Czechia offers a good argument against my point with 12 being from CHL- however the bulk of those being outside the OHL (only 3 are OHL- remember they beat us twice now). For further Argument is Latvia, only 4 in CHL, with 2 in the OHL and 2 in the LQ- and yes, that is Feldbergs. they beat Canada. Germany. 3 in the CHL, and though we "beat them", that should have been a decisive victory from the 1st period. It wasn't. Team Canada roster- 24 CHL, of which 14 were OHL. And they lost. Closest argument for Czechia having success because of CHL, could only be that they had more CHL rostered players OUTSIDE of the OHL. Sweden and Finland are powerhouses of hockey. They are largely producing and developing their own talent nationally or in Europe, and clearly see no need to export them to the NA programs. Same with the USA, and Czechia is quickly following suit. Latvia and Germany will in time get more NCAA births, and have less interest in anything in Canada- we proved to them and anyone watching to avoid us the last two years. CHL as a whole, produced less than 40% of draft picks (88) in 2024. These are their own numbers. First round pics were 14 (5 of which WHL)of 32, with the top two pics being NCAA and the third CHL(WHL), and 9 from the US System. This number has been declining steadily over the last 20 years. The evidence is staring us in the face. Bottom line, Hockey Canada, and Hockey in Canada, is simply not attractive any longer to developing hockey players that are serious about representing their nation or going high level. I don't take pleasure in coming to these conclusions, but avoiding the reality will only prolong the suffering. Change, massively, with a full moral inventory of the failings that have led to this point, is needed.

[@swavekbu4959]

Put Brent Sutter in charge and stay out of his way. Result? Gold.

[@MNETTVLive]

LET THE Russians PLAY AGAIN! tHIS TOURNAMENT IS DILUTED TO PATHETIC WITHOUT THEM

[@paxt17]

lol naw.

[@DudleyDoright-ru2ch]

Have not won forever.

[@Outsider.Reviews]

Ok so for team Canada's loss, what i get from these guys is.... Nobody is at fault. I guess if you like mediocrity then sure, keep thinking that way. You didn't highlight the issues or anything! What kind of analysis is that? Man up Elliot

[@DudleyDoright-ru2ch]

Watched enough to know what was wrong. Selfish behaviour took away from the rest. Every time they got rolling against US ,another penalty. Some deserved, some not simply doesn't matter, that penalty handing a PP to the best PP (US) in the tournament with a few minutes to go was so wrong. Five on Five they looked good against US but they never got rolling. Their own fault. Some of those calls were bogus but they could have pulled it off and could not, resolve was not there.

[@socraticdialogue29.]

They are kids, they will learn and grow from this tournament. Yes, mistakes were made, but the insults on twitter are brutal and need to be toned down. These kids have parents, siblings, friends and grandparents...

[@Zeneroth]

To be fair, before Hughes, Allvin, or Tocchet said anything hockey media made this story last 3+ months perpetuating this story way longer and further than it had to or should've gone. Everyone is just sick of this storyline and being asked every interview for months. Put the self imposted not talking about the Canucks for 3 months again Elliotte? See if you can last longer than 1 week this time?

[@shine117]

it was wedgewood who got hurt not blackwood

[@sheppardrj]

Sad that the Canadian identity has been so severely damaged and watered down over the last decade. The hope that there is still hockey to celebrate makes this team and the loss that more disappointing. Just another erosion of the not so Great White North.

[@Droz75]

So its the fans fault..lol Even tho we were right about this team its our fault.

[@TheFlizash]

Starting off the year with some sharp get it.

[@mitchellgreene867]

Why don’t you guys put your podcast on video? It’s 2025, ffs 😜

[@RegDunlop69]

Hockey Canada has made it unaffordable in Canada to play hockey. How people support that clown show is crazy. I don’t blame the players at all. Blame the management for just picking mostly ohl kids, and not even the best ones. It’s all politics

[@timmanto1022]

I think Scott Salmond and Brad Pascal need to be moved on. Some of the other Management group might need to go as well. I'd like to see Junior GM's and coaches that bring a fresh perspective. That or hire guys with NHL experience. Scouting staff need some upgrades as well. Not sure its a clean house but it's time to tidy-up going into Minnesota.

[@Kasanovasosa]

It was Scott Wedgwood 😂

[@Quole1234]

worst world junior team in Canadian history. The only thing they will ever be remembered for is losing to latvia.

[@davideaston6944]

When will someone send Myers to Russia to play in the KHL? more than half a decade of watching him screw up for Vancouver now... Am I the only one wondering what pact with the devil he signed to still be in the NHL? It's gotten to beer-league amateur decisions now... F !!!!!! This is not an absurd joke even anymore...

[@wardleworld]

trade Petterrson and JT both to Chicago!! for Bedard

[@danreed2189]

A big reason Canada played poorly in this tournament was the "noise" that the Canadian fans and media brought as a result of the selection process. The pressure that group put on the coaches and players was unbelievable. No matter what anyone says, hockey is much more important to Canada than any other country and it's not close. The pressure to succeed is tremendous at the best of times, but this year? Oh my goodness! The naysayers are a big reason that this team did not perform as well as they could have. Regardless of who was left off this team, Canada had enough talent to win the whole thing. No question. The reason they didn't was their support system was pathetic. The Canadian "pundits" (both media and "fans") let the boys down. Shame on you. Do better next year.

[@Nathanielhiggerson66]

they blew the play dead for Dahlin after he got hit by Rantanen earlier in the game. it had nothing to do with embellishment lol

[@davideaston6944]

Officials may be "doing the 'best' that they can", fine. Fact is, their 'best' isn't very good. So you can say that, but it's not an conclusion that it means officiating isn't terrible. It is terrible; an embarrassment to the sport; it's no wonder other sport fans look at NHL hockey and laugh at it so much. MAYBE at least have a meeting, and decide WHAT IS and WHAT ISN'T a penalty. But one ref calls a game completely different from the next. A referee, at his SOLE DISCRETION, calls a "delay of game" penalty on a goalie, FROM OUT OF NOWHERE, when he freezes the puck, in the EXACT SAME MANNER AS EVERY GOALIE DOES THROUGHOUT THE SEASON ON EVERY TEAM... but THIS time, he's calls it. Same as something like knocking a guy's stick out of his hands (by Rule: an interference penalty); it happens SO MANY TIMES over every game; but THIS time, at the sole discretion of a referee, he calls it, SUDDENLY, OUT OF NOWHERE! It's absurd, an embarrassment, and RUINS the game. Either CALL IT, or DON'T. Don't make it an arbitrary decision. That is as simple as it gets, and NO "doing their best" passes that test. And we could go on, and on, and on, regarding reffing in The NHL, and their calls / non-calls, that are EXACTLY the same play. Please don't defend how bad it is, just because you don't like controversy, and want to defend "the game".

[@hoyboy1979]

Yahoo fantasy auto draft could do a better job picking a better roster…

[@TheNotRealPavelBure]

Haha why would chicago want jt Miller wouldn't they look at his and petey relationship and they look down and see Bedard u think they wanna chance Miller getting under beards skin too. I dunno. Jt needs to be on a more veteran team ready to win like Toronto like Edmonton... Florida.. Dallas maybe.. Colorado?

[@anthonykwan6393]

Once Canada comes in last at the four nations then overhaul hockey Canada old boys club.

[@suwans-p1r]

Merci hockey Canada... USA Juniors.

[@spaidscollectables2224]

Bearded elliot or riot

[@dennismcconaghy5515]

Bukauskas - what purpose does he offer, just let Friedman spread his rumors , innuendos, and biases.

[@ValterLinds]

First

[@Ace96x10]

2 years in a row. Do you think that coddling players, having to beg them to show up because you can't yell at them anymore, and telling them "respect" and some guy writing rules on a peace of paper makes them safe is producing mature players like were produced for the entire history of Canada? Because what I saw were a pack of guys who have severe maturity issues and who couldn't Dig The F in until they yet again in big trouble. Coddle them some more, and Canada's days as a hockey power in these events, and World Cup, and Olympics' are over.