Spotify F*CKS Artists Again, Apple Destroys Reputation, Sonarworks & Reason MILK Customers (WNN)

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CHAPTERS
00:00 INTRO
00:17 SONARWORKS VOICE AI PLUGIN
05:23 SPOTIFY F*CKS US AGAIN
08:46 REASON 13 COMING SOON
11:09 IPAD PRO & AIR CONTROVERSY
15:27 KENDRICK LAMAR UPDATE
15:44 OUTRO
#musicproducer #musicproduction #musicproducers

[@0-scope]

2:31 military grade nickelback-inator

[@DarkMetaOFFICIAL]

if only Weaver could sing in many voices. damn we need this

[@Weaverbeats]

fr fr i need this

[@buckycore]

I can tell you from experience that unless you have a souped up computer with a large amount of GPU, you're not able to do the AI modeling on your own computer. The whole process is very resource intensive and complex behind the scenes. I only know this because i tried setting up AI voice modeling on my computer and the app was all like "uhm. No" and procceded to shame me as to how small my cpu and GPU was

[@crnkmnky]

💾 _"Look at this pathetic Bucky Mahn and his puny little GPeePee."_ {laughs in Austrian}

[@Music-tg5is]

2:27 - That made me literally spit take my drink. The before voice was so much better than the "AI-enabled" constipated growl. 🤣🤣

[@dirtyharry1881]

FINALLY! I ve been begging Native Instruments for so long! I even bought the lube...

[@rioalexander2604]

when you said reason 13 is on its way i started to get worried lol

[@S4CR4LTV]

SAME 😂

[@alkali6]

lol they are making the plugin purchasers pay for their AWS subscription fee.

[@knighthaunter]

..and then some lol

[@signalpathproductions]

Bro you are honestly hilarious and put out great content. Keep it up man! great to see you grow from the old og soundcloud days

[@ricochetsixtyten]

Spotify is really trying to speedrun their way to the top of most hated corporation in the world huh.

[@apoplexiamusic]

I think they’re already there

[@char252]

i'm a semi-regular twitter user and the iPad thing really weirded me out as well. Pointing out their exploitative labour practices is a fantastic critical point. Really upped my trust in your channel as a genuine news source.

[@Pix2io]

The best part of KZbin, is Weaver in your queue! 🎶

[@TantuBeats]

This can definitely be done locally on your computer. They're probably using RVC technology, for which you basically just need a decent graphics card

[@Lo_Scum]

Wasn’t expecting beaver 🥰

[@NoirEtBlancVie]

I don’t know if I can ver wanted my voice to sound more like absolute trash, but I guess now ai can help me achieve that.

[@lionelluney3063]

So will the new iPad Air bring back the head phone jack or will they finally get rid of the inherent usb/ Bluetooth latency issue.

[@gaymanisfree]

fire vid bro

[@davidlee2966]

There’s a cheaper AI voice transformer plugin called VOIS. It’s the exact same payment structure though, except it doesn’t expire

[@getvoisapp]

David thank you for the mention. Weaver, would love to get you on board with VOIS if you are interested! :)

[@shma1israel]

I heard that line as, "If only I could sing in MANLY voices," just for the record. Might be just me. Anyway, this will be one of the new ways to mask sampling copyrighted stuff, so be prepared for countless 'cover versions' all using the same few usable preset voices in the near future. And once the novelty wears off, and everyone has to use up their 300 minutes worth of tokens, expect the zanier voices to be *everywhere*, as well, from answering machines to KZbin videos.

[@soupforare]

Yeah you can do the voice change thing local. There's multiple projects implementing tech for formant cloning, the old fashioned way, and with CUDA cores you can do inferencing to map timbre and timing from one model to basically whatever input. The newest incarnation of this, istr, only requires about a minute of speech to clone. Wild shit. Hate all of it.

[@ShawnGrove]

5:01 Dude you made me laugh so fucking hard

[@soundninjaofficial6754]

For the longest time I thought you meant this was your 13th reason lol, I was like damn is Weaver okay?

[@xkidmidnightx]

They let the tokens only last 13 months for accounting reasons. They can’t count the tokens as income until they are used.

[@anattaevergreen4115]

I was thinking also for legal reaons in case they go bankrupt and people still have tokens remaining could lead to legal issues but idk not sure just speculating

[@razzthemad]

🤔 hmm, no, I don’t think that’s correct. Tokens are tokens, money is money. When someone buys tokens using money, that money becomes income, right then and there. In this case, the token is an arbitrary number that is designed to confuse consumers that are too lazy or unable mentally to calculate the true monetary value of this service. This means that you can’t even value the service on a pay-per-use basis without doing math. Look, these types of services would go over much better if they’d just be transparent. Tokens are a scam. Let that be a red flag🚩 for the whole bloody lot of ya.😉

[@xkidmidnightx]

@@razzthemad that’s not true from an accounting perspective. They have to realize the sale of tokens as unearned income, because they still have to provide the service associated with those tokens. If you take a lawn mowing job and are paid in advance, you can’t realize this as income until the job is completed. This is confusing to normies, but it’s just how things are done in accounting. The rest of what you said about them obfuscating how tokens hide the true cost of something is correct. The accounting part isn’t though.

[@razzthemad]

@@xkidmidnightx thanx for clearing that up a little. I’ll have to take your word on that coz I won’t pretend to understand all that accounting stuff. Strange way to get paid.. But I can sure as hell smell a scam, and anything that changes money into a proprietary token is a scam. I get that there’s different strategies in administering it but IMHO the results all end scammy.

[@xkidmidnightx]

@@razzthemad 100% I agree with you on the scam part. The accounting part was just to explain why the tokens likely expire after a year. Otherwise they would have a big unearned income on their balance sheet which is a liability.

[@TropicIslandMusic]

Worth adding m4 is basically an m3 - which is why they compared it to the m2 (and not the m3)

[@mksundstrom]

Main reason I'm ashamed to buy Apple products is how they're so insanely anti-repair and anti-upgrade. I still use an Intel Mac from 2018, and from this point I don't know if I'm ever moving forward to Apple Silicon. Their prices for storage and RAM upgrades are ridiculously bloated, and they've ensured that it's the only option. Want 32 GB of RAM? CHA-CHING!!! Want more than 512 GB of storage? CHA-CHING! How can they be so out of touch with what modern computers actually need?

[@AleksOzols]

I've upgraded the RAM on my mac to 96GB and never once got it from Mac, you can get it from 3rd party manufacturers and it works fine.

[@mksundstrom]

@@AleksOzols Not on Apple Silicon Macs you can't.

[@AleksOzols]

@@mksundstrom well that's a bummer

[@Beardqt]

wait is that a plugin with microtransactions??

[@RealFitchEmerson]

It's just horse armor, don't worry, it won't get worse!

[@thesesmallboxes]

“…transform voice…to musical instruments”?? So, it can make my voice sound like my modular?!

[@KlareAudio]

The first voice style transform plugin was made by dreamtonics who also made synthesizer-V but its in closed beta so idk if that counts. I think it runs on your own system

[@AI-Consultant]

3 words: Direct to Consumer

[@IsmaelMulti]

LMAO the Sonaworks part, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[@TENKATRANCE]

dropping a like! :)

[@HarvesteridiosMoufidios]

space delay sounds like space echo, too literally

[@shannonsx4143]

Best intro ever 😆

[@tommykruesofficial]

It's all gonna come back to bite them in the ass every last company. Also "HELLO! I LIKE MONEY"

[@chocomalk]

4:11 haha

[@pixelwash9707]

Great episode. I love your take on the IPad Pro rollout , its critics, suicide agreements, "cash ware" subscription software in the cloud, and Spotify CEO's money and ball-grabbing brain.

[@imagitu6409]

session musicians are gonna take a huge hit methinks

[@genericusername5909]

If you had the budget to use session singers, would you use this?

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

@ 8:20 exactly correct, consumers only care about convenience

[@synapticschism]

There are many reasons to run the models on the cloud. It's a lot more reliable, and a lot safer for them tech-wise, it needs fewer client-side downloads, and models can be retrained and redeployed... but yes, it also supports the milking side of it. To be fair I think it's acceptable from a technical point of view, but I'd prefer if there was an option to download the models and run the predictions locally.

[@TanzmitTransmit]

Where did you get that many Euros? Can’t see a Hawaiian Starbucks serving me up a Jägerschnitzel for my work hangover as I showed up with Euros so like… did they wash up or something?

[@pestleandmortarr]

4:09 😂😂😂

[@BrickBrxin]

I want a josh strife hayes crossover to expain this token currency. typical video game currency model.

[@jdre1976]

Voice transformer at x2 playback... Wow.. what can I say..

[@BIGDAVEMUZIK]

this is my voice weaver lmao

[@therealzyrix]

The sound ID thing is so messed up. I have video & photo editing AI software, chat gpt alternatives that runs 100% on my computer. This is just a BS excuse to create a "subscription" that doesn't look like a subscription. Would be cool, but i will never spend money on garbage companies with their predatory pricing.

[@wmpx34]

I’ll only buy it if it can transform my voice to Weaver’s so I can work on improving my deepfake skills

[@hansmemling2311]

It's time to boycott spotify.

[@Talib23401]

Getting Kendrick some tokens for Christmas, thanks weabea 👍

[@Tyrell_Corp2019]

I hereby curse all tokens

[@ghfjfghjasdfasdf]

I wonder if Reason could ever be a VSTi 🤷‍♂️

[@ricgl84]

Ok Weaver, for the next beat competition a song using this AI tool.

[@joyboricua3721]

That Token model can just keep ocer there

[@busyworksbeats]

That AI voice changer looks fire 🔥 I appreciate you enlightening me about that , thank you 🙏

[@anemenay]

Bro u low key taught me how to record ty ❤

[@anemenay]

Cop them X drums 😂

[@sinewavedream]

apple wants to cram all musical instruments and players into one device. Sounds great!

[@franklopez4028]

2:30 please review

[@eccentricworx]

Thank God I use none of these.

[@chokocat9064]

The Weaves, sure Apple didn't _crush_ it with that ad, but the real crime here is how they now remove cores from the Pro 256 and 512 models. Previously they came with less ram, but now they come with less CPU as well. This is the firs time they've done this in the iPad space. So if you want a full spec cpu iPad with Nano Glass you are looking at around $2000!!!! And that is before you add cellular, Apple Care, the new Pencil (which you have the get, because the old pencil is incompatible), or pay the Gov.

[@Ast3rixMusic]

People need to pull all their music from Spotify. They are doing alot of things to lower the amount that is due to artists. There's no win at all with how they are moving things around. Now book publishers are about to be mixed in with the fuckery. It's hard as is and now it's just ridiculous. Musicians need to go on strike and let all these companies that need music see just how important music really is.... You can't just keep doing this and expecting no action from the people who they are directly affecting. People should just build their own websites and offer music sales that way. Go back to selling physical media again....or just stream your own shit from your website. Problem solved....

[@JayTheLane]

Pale but good.

[@Lance_G]

Sonarworks Plugin Police 🚨🚓

[@forcastfascistfuture]

The Sonarworks plugin sounds like it could be really cool but it's pretty hard to take it seriously when the demo is that cringe.

[@WilliamAshleyOnline]

Imo when reason allows its plugins to be VSTi type plugins I would seriously consider using it again regularly. I love its plugins but I think some type of vsti interconnect would allow it to work with other daws also as the plugins are great fun and the modularity is also cool but all these companies not just reason native plugins is a little bit a a diservice to musicians themselves in that if all these native plugins had native code ported to some shell or vsti / fx etc.. its not just a reason thing but reason has cool enough instruments that I would consider buying them as a vst package, I like reason just never felt compofortable with it for making songs, also even rebirth plugs as vst would be cool too.

[@trackmasters65]

Reason IS a VST plugin. You can load the reason rack and get all their instruments in any daw.

[@mygoogle1525]

@@trackmasters65 500+ just to use tgeir racks? Nah,thanks. They could easily sel their plugins seperatly from the DAW. Not a fun of this company.

[@soupforare]

@@trackmasters65 yeah that's been the case for a long ass time and before that you could ReWire into supported hosts. Reason is (was) a fantastic piece of kit but I'm guessing strapping VST support on, the new mixer, cost more than it was worth. Their jive with licensing and subs have made me drop them entirely. I've been a prophead since rebirth. Rip.

[@chokocat9064]

The Weaves, pretty sure those were Anal Logs. Might want to check your email again. Eddy Murphy might have something to say about this sphinctal development.

[@linix4037]

yeah, I don't understand the outrage to this commercial.

[@thelanavishnuorchestra]

I've never bought an Apple product and don't plan on ever doing so. But this ad didn't play a role in my choice.

[@TRXST.ISSUES]

W take

[@NORBZMUSIC]

They aren't the first, Vocaloid has a vst/au that also does it in real time, I have all the voices, they're not too great but they do the job and there's no tokens it's just a one time sale. They don't 'need' to do this through tokens.

[@andivax]

Vocaloid is the singer. Sonarworks plugin is the transformer.

[@illyph9963]

I’m reasongang IMO biggest attribute and main reason I stay is the mixer (even tho they took out inset hot keys since v11😡) but still there is no better mixer out of box in any other daw, and everytime you create new track or instrument, you automatically get that channel strip dropped in, it’s incredible, which is kind of ironic cause back in day it was there WORST attribute lol, the 14:2 mixer you use in combinator now use to actually be main mixer😂

[@lionelluney3063]

Processing Power? Didn’t Roland have a product that did this 15 yrs ago? Only you had to play the notes keyboard style?

[@ManCalledMif]

Probably because Logic Pro includes AI accompaniment now. iPad is entry level music anyway. Pro musicians play instruments, right?

[@unnecessary-roughness3303]

you cant run a an AI on your local machine.... inside of a DAW.

[@qbikmusik]

Why not? I run AI on my local machine through comfyui with no problem

[@TechTronix01]

Synplant by sonic charge has offline ai

[@unnecessary-roughness3303]

@@qbikmusik while running ableton?

[@Shkodo]

Voice changer voice ai ace studio vst dehumaniser little monsters vocaloid vst, thats just to name a phew,,,,theres like millions of vst with voice resynthesis

[@chucknkd]

If songwriters could pull songs off dsp’s it would’ve happened a long time ago. We actually have already tried and the courts ruled it illegal. It’s a pretty common mistake to lump artists and writers into the same category, but artists/master owners get paid substantially more AND have the power to pull their music off the platforms. This newest move by Spotify is aimed once again purely at songwriters.

[@jacksmith4460]

nah they are correct

[@ABC-bm7kl]

Wow, that plug-in does not sound great. And your takes are cracking me up.

[@BarkingForBroccoliBG]

The A.I. stuff is no surprise because for last 15 years or so whenever online Beat lease stuff got going everything coming seemed to always have the beatmakers do less and less of the actusl beatmaking while slapping tag on it like they themselves did anything so now not just the beats are done by something other thsn who will credit for it now voices mmtoo. They are selling this concept thst anybody with no skill no practice no talent can be a professional beatmaker or producer recording with finished song that thry credit without actuslly doing any but opening a daw and pressing a button. There is no wonder the value of musicianship and production and songwriting and vocal performance has been made to be worth pennies . Nobody doing this bullshit should be in same storefront online or otherwise with people like Prince like real actual talented and skilled musicians bestmsketd producers songwriters vocalists etc. The social media trend of faking everything has now moved into faking being a musician with this mess. All fun n games until somebody is booked on Jimmy Fallon or something for a live performance . They will be like oh here let me press this one button and show off this amazing music skill of doing nothing at all .

[@linix4037]

not the fact that Apple products are inferior to their windows PC, Android counterparts.

[@astralyd]

I'm not an Apple consumer and I don't really care, but I do feel a little uncomfortable with this ad lol (crushing instruments) wtf were they thinking lol

[@astralyd]

This ad is like AI taking over creative jobs or like this recent drake video where he crushes kendrick lamar's van in the same way

[@PRODBYPROTAG]

Reason 13 looks fine but until they make it easier to just grab a one shot and use it in the piano roll the same way I can with FL, I'm not coming back. Reason has a lot of cool things going for it but for "making beats" the changes to the workflow are nowhere near sufficient enough. Cool for mfs still using Reason, though. ALSO, thank you for being the O N E other person who thinks everybody upset over the apple ad is stupid af.

[@randowboosh6772]

scamarworks

[@eluminoid]

16/14😂

[@WestonStephens]

Hard pass on tokens

[@ShaneFontane]

16/14

[@newmanpc4253]

this development is ment to destroy artists, and control music. All artists has to unite and start their own plattform. T programmers is trying to grab all market, all new tec is just theft or control, its sad. Programmers and scientists is now a problm. Bojkott is the answer.

[@mygoogle1525]

Reason still w9n't let you buy their rack seperatly from their daw. Do mot like this company

[@docjoesweeney]

I dropped reason (as a very long time user) for how badly they were screwing over users. I still have a soft spot for the product, but I would prefer to give my money to companies not acting like asshats

[@tracewidth]

As a potential buyer of Reason, their aggressive pushing of subscription plans makes me want to do everything in my power to avoid giving them any money, ever.

[@mclovin1498]

Idk why y’all continue giving y’all’s money to Spotify. … YALL…. FK SPOTIFY

[@joesalyers]

Japanese culture think instruments and objects have a soul so they were crushed and their soul was destroyed. Its some sort of religious belief from Japan. So remeber your Midi Keyboard that makes no sound on its own has a soul and its name is probably Bob!

[@Dystopian84]

A midi keyboard that makes no sound isn't an instrument even if it can be connected to a shitty iPad to poorly imitate actual instruments

[@Cancel-Flip]

@@Dystopian84 damn bro, did your girl cheat on you with a midi keyboard or something?

[@Dystopian84]

@@Cancel-Flip no i just reacted to a stupid comment that made me laugh

[@nieuweabnormaal5869]

Tim Crook again tries to sell overpriced hardware

[@JayKaye_Vortecx]

ai is just cringe at this moment in time.

[@0gcrypto]

replay is free and standalone lol... fuckn sonar the grifters...

[@0gcrypto]

it uses GPU also adn you can train your own voices...

[@natereborn3204]

That sonarworks plugin sounds terrible no lie idk maybe im a hater

[@dage509]

that ai singer plug in a scam, and sound average 2 spotify evil mann. plain and simple. and idk y people mad at the new iphone commeral. iphone is shity tho, and i got 1😂😂

[@jonathondeiley]

people will find something to have a cry about in every corner of the earth

[@genericusername5909]

As a consumer I have made two efforts in the last three years to quit spotify, but both times tidal and apple made their deals worse

[@Fire-Toolz]

bro stop saying tolkiens

[@DamianMatthews]

1 minute, no comments. You fell off.

[@Weaverbeats]

lmao

[@TRXST.ISSUES]

I’m too autistic to know if he’s joking 😂

[@signalpathproductions]

All the people complaining about the apple add are too broke to buy apple in the first place

[@wolfgangdevries127]

Who cares