as a qualified Spray Painter... I well and truely approve of this video! great video mate. I have shared this with my friends so they can have a better understanding of my profession! 10/10 for explanation 🖒🖒🖒
@customspraymods7 жыл бұрын
TheEsanel thanks mate. Appreciate the comment.
@chrisstratton34305 жыл бұрын
What is a qualified spray painter!!? As a custom bike painter I would not paint my toiler seat with anything that comes in a spray can. Spray can paints are junk - PERIOD. There are no reducers or activators added at the time of application and therefore you know what is in there is junk. If there was any doubt - try spray high grade automotive paint from a properly atomizing gun and see what happens to the spray can goo. Instantly dissolves it. The spray can junk doesn't perform well at all and if it looks the same as it did a year after applied its a miracle. 3 years later you want to shoot yourself because now you have to strip that crap off since you cannot paint on top of it. Way to go to save a buck. Even a harbor freight paint gun atomizes infinitely better than any can. And thankfully you can now apply 2 stage and 3 stage proper paints not to mention 2K filler primers etc.. There's a reason proper paint costs money. Most of them have lifetime warranties and there's absolutely no way no how ever you will get spay paint to look anything like the general ball park of a good automotive painter and I can prove that all day long. Its night and day.. crystal clear glass finish clear coat or even matte finishes don't come from spray cans.. ever. They take a boat load of talent experience and the requisite quantities of high grade acrylic enamels.
@inspire7345 жыл бұрын
@@chrisstratton3430 Well I am using engine spray in a can on my wheels.
@Surfzap635 жыл бұрын
Chris Stratton Wow. Bad day? These videos don’t claim that spray cans and spray guns yield the same results. I’m not sure if it was in this video or in Part 1, but he does make the point that he feels spray guns are the way do go and are his first choice. He also makes the point that if you’re planning to paint something large (like a car) that you can buy an inexpensive gun, compressor and paint for about the same amount as you’d pay for all the cans of paint you’ll need. In that case, he says, go with the gun. The target audience for these videos aren’t professionals like yourself. You guys already know how to paint with good results. CSM’s videos show lay people like me how to sand, prep and spray correctly for a good result. They’re very helpful for guys like me.
@heavenstomurgatroyd70335 жыл бұрын
Give a man a can of paint and he'll paint for a day, teach him how to paint and he'll paint everything he owns.....excellent!
@Surfzap635 жыл бұрын
Heavens to Murgatroyd Well said! Thanks for the chuckle!
@SebastianBurdon6 жыл бұрын
Those are literally all the issues I had with spray paints. Thank you mr. Knowitall 👍
@shotgunsherman6 жыл бұрын
Best paint from a can ive ever used on wheels is rustoleum trim and bumper paint. Its a matte black that holds up so well to the elements. I sprayed my subarus alloys 2yrs ago 3 coats sanded to 320 an no primer. It looks great still and doesnt chip or flake at all even through the new england winters.
@kevinmcguinness42494 жыл бұрын
I learned more from this video than from any other I have viewed in the past several weeks as I attempt to do some repair work on an old car that I'm not ready to part with.
@customspraymods4 жыл бұрын
Thats great mate, Thanks,
@meteobambino61667 жыл бұрын
I've been watching your videos for two hours now straight I'm interested beyond belief. These are some of the most information filled videos on the web
@مجاهدالشملان-ض9ل5 жыл бұрын
Man, this is the most helpful video I found in youtube about paint job mistakes. No one explained it that simple. Thank you so much
@starrskreamgaming5 жыл бұрын
@customspraymods that dupli color can. on the blue nozzle, turn that white piece attached to it. It changes the fan of the nozzle. (it does in every case ive seen, though i have never used dupli color engine paint)
@jimno136 жыл бұрын
Top man no nonsense useful info really good mate keep it up u tha man great stuff. N no ADS!!! Awesome
@TTOCS116 жыл бұрын
Your tip at @ 10:10 just saved me a load of hassle, thank you very much for this true pearl of wisdom. I was having a nightmare with one spot that just kept producing a fish eye in my base coat, - wiped some Kurust in there, let it dry, and it covered brilliantly., cheers mate and happy New Year!
@customspraymods6 жыл бұрын
Scott Best that's great
@Surfzap635 жыл бұрын
Surfing around KZbin, I watched these a couple years ago and they were great! I’m glad I subscribed right away. Some of the tips stuck in my head, some didn’t. I’m getting ready to do some touch up painting on my ‘85 BMW 318i , so I came back and watched part 1 and deux again. Great tips! Thanks for putting out these vids. Very helpful. Cheers from Florida, USA
@tomthompson74007 жыл бұрын
a life times worth of knowledge in ten mins and for free ,,,, bargain of a life time.
@tamboleo5 жыл бұрын
I just started to paint my 790 and i love your videos man you look pasionate about what you do and make it compeling to try. Thank you!
@lakai023 жыл бұрын
You you go to artprimo or bombing science you can purchase caps for spray cans that will alter the fan of the paint. I recommend “fat caps” as the best way to spray paint is take your time apply very light coats every few minutes and build it up. Very time consuming and costly on large surfaces though.
@Tarex_5 жыл бұрын
with the spraycan fan, one could get a different nozzle, since the cans usually have a standardized cap, montana has awesome caps with a super wide fan, just order that cap for all the cans you have
@inspire7345 жыл бұрын
Is this guy from another country like Australia or England perhaps? Maybe they don't do it like that there. You could just replace the one on the can I guess with the same one, pass it around.
@anthonyscott163 жыл бұрын
This lesson will definitely save a lot of people a lot of anguish. Thanks Bro!
@seanw83367 жыл бұрын
for fisheyes in the paint from silicone you can actually add small bit of silicone additive to the paint and sorts it right out
@healey100austin7 жыл бұрын
Dont forget you can change the nozzle heads for a diff pattern,the ones I hate are the 'adjusable' fan heads and they always get changed for a better head.
@mistrcrvr4 жыл бұрын
Crap! You do better with a can than I do with a gun!! Thanks very much for the vids!
@jimno136 жыл бұрын
Great advice on secondary painting over clear and scrap dead clear coat from UV too stuff
@KiloniiBarbie3 жыл бұрын
I learned the most ever about paint from this one video Thanks Bro
@LastHumansGarage8 жыл бұрын
my most common spray problem is the crackling earthquake type look as i spray my 4th or 5th coat. like a desert floor.
@zlock978 жыл бұрын
LastHumansGarage because u havent sanded enough of the existing laquer? i used to have that problem
@jamesbrown10466 жыл бұрын
LastHumansGarage your letting your coats dry to much...every ten minutes reaplly your coats...if you let the coats dry to long ,then you have to sand before second or third coat...the coats will stick better when still a little wet...5 or ten minutes is enough time for reapplying coats
@inspire7345 жыл бұрын
@@jamesbrown1046 I suppose every time you go around the car it is time to do it again. I heard every 20 minutes. I suppose I need to do a few pieces at a time instead of the whole car. It takes longer than 5 or 10 minutes to spray a whole car.
@whitekong95358 жыл бұрын
Hey man getting closer to 100k subs! Congrats! Great video!
@customspraymods8 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Would love to get there by the end of the year.
@roadworthy69018 жыл бұрын
Great video, can you do a detailed video on sanding techniques? Unless you may have one already.
@customspraymods8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ill try man
@OwenMotors5 жыл бұрын
Painted my car with rustoleum with spray cans and got 0 stripes and virtually 0 orange peel. I wet sanded and buffed/polished it looks almost professional. Put 2k clear on it and its been 2 years. 0 crack 0 fading and its my daily in the florida sun every day it sits outside. You can get a great end result if your patient. Cant beat it for under 80 bucks with all material. It worked for me. It can work for anyone else. Its all about the prep.
@bobbyc.28737 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your vids and learn a lot from them. But I'm surprised to see the small circular pattern from the Duplicolor tip. Might be different there but here in the U.S. I use that paint because of it's durable finish and the blue tip with the wire pushrod gives a nice wide fan pattern. Plus, in my opinion, it's the most comfortable to use. Years ago Rustoleum switched from the blue tip to one they call the "comfort" tip. It's anything but comfortable!
@thesetruths14042 жыл бұрын
As a finish color, over sanded primer, has anyone sprayed Rust-Oleum Matte Hammered Black #300607 for 2 medium coats, and finished it with two medium-light coats of Rust-Oleum metallic dark or navy blue? I want to have the hammered texture, but I can't find metallic hammered dark blue paint available anywhere. So I thought this would do. Both colors would be Rust-Oleum brand paints of same type. I'd apply each coat about 20 minutes apart in the shade of an open carport so each layer wouldn't be entirely dry, but not wet either.
@johnfrizza6817 жыл бұрын
At 10:10 you show metal conditioner being wiped over a motorcycle fuel tank to remove silicone contamination. Is that tank at the bare metal stage or does it have primer on it? I have never read / heard of metal conditioner being used to counteract silicone contamination so I am naturally interested in that as a solution.
@Bildi7v5 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate, this video is truly a lifesaver!
@StopaskingformynameYouTube5 жыл бұрын
I know this is really old in internet time, but i'll ask anyway because i hope to clear something up. I've got an alu bike frame, i've sanded it down to bare aluminium and here's my thought process for what to do, please correct me if i'm wrong. I sand it to 400 to remove the rougher grooves Apply etch primer scuff it up with 800 wipe it down with motip degreaser apply my black basecoat scuff it up again, wipe it down, apply masking tape apply my blue metallic in the area i want then wipe it down and apply clear. This is correct? Or, do i need something else than a black basecoat for the blue metallic? Should i lay down some silver or other bright color and mask slightly inside this to create a barrier between the black and blue? Am i on the right path? yes it's a diy-rattle can job. I'm so scared to start.
@themaztdon62307 жыл бұрын
i subscribed as soon as he said "different cans have different fans" lol
@customspraymods7 жыл бұрын
anthony mazzola YESSsSSsss
@omga147 жыл бұрын
If you used to do "public art" you know that you don't have to depend on the cap that came with the can. You can buy individual caps....or at least you used to. The german caps used to have the widest spray but you did need to know how far to keep the spray to prevent drip.
@Gunma_garage8 жыл бұрын
Awesome info as usual mate! Hoping you can touch on rust repair someday...my Wrx wagon has some issues lol
@chrivedy7 жыл бұрын
Best painting video I've seen.
@bobbycratchet39585 жыл бұрын
Quick tip - heat up your can... How? Tried it in the microwave and let's say it didn't work. 425F oven. Fail #2. Baby bottle warm water bath. Works! Lots of coats can result in a soft finish.
@JamesSmith-lt5zz5 жыл бұрын
You could just put it in the sun for 10 15 mins
@AK.__3 жыл бұрын
Great and very helpful video. Thank you! Exactly today I've painted the bumper cover (plastic) and although 3 layers of primer laid down perfectly (as was seemed to the eye), the black paint over prime immediately started to give effect, where in very small areas, the paint just didn't want to lay. This made me very nervous, I did layer over layer, still same effect. At the end I let it all dry, and clearcoated (3 layers). Very disappointing. To correct this (to repaint) should i do all from beginning, starting sand paper, or could be enough to try to spray again black (and then clear coat)?
@danrussell34392 жыл бұрын
Another great informative video.
@bonnivilleblackcherry97456 жыл бұрын
getting a paint job as good with bombs as a gun is not really alot of work. But for the cost you can buy a compressor air scrubber and a decent gun for the cost of the bombs. Considering your 12-16 oz can only has about 4-5 oz of actual primer/paint or clear lol. To do a whole car and look quality is very $$$$$...learned that lesson when I was 13 and painted my old ford ranger.
@DPoner5 жыл бұрын
The red cap on the VG paint is called the "Red Caligraphy". Love that cap! You can get it here: artprimo.com/catalog/calligraphy-p-319.html
@garrydan946 жыл бұрын
here's one for you, I'm going to spray two different clear coats. one satin over one colour and high gloss over another what's the best way to achieve a flawless finish with minimal raised edges that can cause one or the other to lift and peel??
@sliderx18975 жыл бұрын
Can you use spray cans to paint a car? What kind of paint should be used?
@ZONIAN9557 жыл бұрын
I like your presentation style and information. Thank you.
@persianchris24513 жыл бұрын
7:11 wait he says let the clear dry then you put your base coat?? I'm confused I thought it goes primer, then base, then clear?? Is he doing primer, clear, base, clear?
@thill9k4 жыл бұрын
Awesome man, huge help, I really appreciate the tips👊🏾 I feel like I need to go out and do some good in the world! Thanks again.
@AwsmChan4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Really helpful. What about clear coat that is peeling off? What's the best way to deal with them?
@martinodell52254 жыл бұрын
This guy explains very well and great tips :)
@J27M8 жыл бұрын
so if I were to paint my engine cover or callipers I wouldn't need high temp paint? I don't believe it but would love to hear what you have to say :)
@customspraymods8 жыл бұрын
Musik4soul777 for an engine cover you don't need high temp paint. Callipers for a road car you can use any auto paint. Callipers for a track car. Use 2K auto paint.
@J27M8 жыл бұрын
customspraymods so 2K is only available for spray gun use right? Cheers mate merry Xmas from NZ
@customspraymods8 жыл бұрын
James it's available in a can. I have a video about it. Thanks merry Christmas back at ya.
@zoommair7 жыл бұрын
Best fan from a spray can man!
@coover654 жыл бұрын
Great and informative video. Cheers from Brisbane.
@GerritTjaardAMarinus7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for both great video's !!!
@customspraymods7 жыл бұрын
Gerrit TjaardA Marinus no problem. Thanks for watching
@mneglin32414 жыл бұрын
What is the grit of sandpaper that you recommend for prepping a new surface? I bought 1000 and 1500 grit. Also how long do you wait between base coats and how many coats do you recommend? Do you use degreaser for a new surface before applying the color? Lots of questions but never done this before. thanks
@joegordon7044 жыл бұрын
Awesome I just used the tips from the video and got me some Rustoleum from ghettomart ( it did take 14 5/8 coats though) but it looks way better than any Rolls Royce or Porsche though!!!
@wadesta19868 жыл бұрын
What's the best way to protect clear coat from UV attack?
@JamesSmith-lt5zz5 жыл бұрын
I'd say let it dry a month before washing it. Then apply something like f11 to it. Or another high quality synthetic wax. The clear costs job is to protect from uv damage but these new synthetic waxes are amazing like the commercial I sprayed my hood and the bottle slid right off. One of the few finishing products worth the money. I say wait a month because you want all the solvent vented away. If solvent is trapped under wax it will bubble up
@mattmcilwhan8 жыл бұрын
with the silicone boils, do you apply the same technique and products to plastic? I had this happen on a headlight casing made of plastic
@ddcatwoman256 жыл бұрын
What causes curdling?
@petercarmody48976 жыл бұрын
I have got clear coat fail fom the factory job that started less than 5 years after I bought it new. Over half the car has been repainted nicely since my ex wrecked it good 8 years ago. It's a 2007 Honda Civic. How much time would it take to strip away the paint from less than half of the car's surface to repaint it ?
@HameedKhan-8928 жыл бұрын
can you stand more widely? lol
@customspraymods8 жыл бұрын
Ha yeah man... Wait till next video ill stand SOoooo wide.
@Stoeff19878 жыл бұрын
Are you doing that because of the camera angle or is it muscle memory because you often have to stand like this while spraying?
@5naxalotl7 жыл бұрын
i like your presentation style fwiw. probably good you backed off the clicky sounds a bit, as per lots of requests, but you don't need to eliminate them completely
@Ben-jq5oo6 жыл бұрын
puppet _me He can stand as wide as he likes for me. Mmm Mmmm.. And keep clicking beautiful lad! In fact, click all over me 😂
@davidhamilton5065 жыл бұрын
*Ben Hardy Haha* Hmm, ...
@WJHandyDad5 жыл бұрын
awesome explanations of everything! Thank you for this video!!
@vickikgibson94706 жыл бұрын
why don't you use a spray can handle...that makes it much easier to spray and easier on your hand.
@Surfzap635 жыл бұрын
Vicki k Gibson There are handles available for purchase to fit a spray can. I bought mine one at a Home Depot type store, but have seen them in other stores too. I’m sure they’re available online as well. The one I have works well; no more sore index finger.
@JJLandscaping4 жыл бұрын
What type of spray guy would you recommend for someone doing small body work on a truck for oneself that dosent cost a lot. Just painting a fender and a side of a pickup truck Thanks
@customspraymods4 жыл бұрын
Try a gravity feed spray gun. Something that has a fan and air adjustment dials. Depending on your paint choice, If 2k base or clear use a 1.3mm tip. Hope this helps
@sorrygunsathome7 жыл бұрын
You should do a video of when yo use and what type of primer
@mark72183 жыл бұрын
What is the color of that wheel its gorgeous
@tonyhericks1827 жыл бұрын
I have one for you. What about getting light surface scratches out of chrome motorcycle exhaust???
@davidhamilton5065 жыл бұрын
Spraying Dupli-Color from an aerosol on an overcast day that's threatening rain can "bloom" off a gloss paint. That is, the result will end up being a matt colour instead...
@mercuriallimit7 жыл бұрын
I'd like to spray can paint on my wheel arches to match the car's color, currently it's matte, I believe it's got some protective paint on it. Please advise on how I could paint my wheel arches.
@inspire7345 жыл бұрын
I think you have figured it out by now. But in case you haven't. Try sanding it down first. There are plenty of videos on you tube about doing rims or arches.
@JesHill7 жыл бұрын
Seems to me that a conical fan on an engine spray is what I'd want. Fan shapes for panels, conical for working around castings surely?
@dominicgabriel3125 жыл бұрын
I will rather used sprayguns. I let my guns work for me not me working for them.
@amothjon8 жыл бұрын
Really a great video. Keep it up :)
@awakenonanotherworld49597 жыл бұрын
whats the rule for layers... base coat vs. clear (finish) coat
@wojtexs65098 жыл бұрын
how to paint for ex. tank or helmet with many layers? when I put clear on it I have problem with diferent thickness so I have to put about 6 layers of clear and polished this. is it right? or maybe You could give me some advice?
@AmbiguousAdventurer2 жыл бұрын
When I repaint a black car white, do I have to remove all old paint down to bare metal or can I just scuff the old paint and then do a base + clear coat?
@customspraymods2 жыл бұрын
The later bit use primer. 👍
@moto-sh8uw7 жыл бұрын
how about the nozzels , do they look diffrent
@jasonvorhees15776 жыл бұрын
Also 6-7 coats are required, does this mean 3-4 base coats + 3 clear coats? Thanks for your videos, they really are world class.
@inspire7345 жыл бұрын
I was told at a paint headquarters for light metallic, 3 metallic, 3 color and 3 clear, so I get 9. Hard as nails. 3-4 color how dark you want it and the coverage and 3 clear should be enough.
@jonathancharlespike8 жыл бұрын
With the paint type subject, you mentioned engine paint. Does that stuff really apply to high temps too ? Little skeptical about using anything else other than high temp paint on an engine or exhaust
@okkrom7 жыл бұрын
Cant you just change the tips on the cans? Total noob here, but I know some cans have interchangeable nozzles.
@kylesagun1567 жыл бұрын
Elias Bargee most cans do, sometimes in shaking the can and the cap falls off, it's funny but it doesn't do any harm either I just put it back
@andrewpaige91527 жыл бұрын
Hi there, i did my dads Magna very moons ago a did a good job, till this day though the paint is still sticky applied clear coats and all and dusts keeps sticking to it and doesnt lickt touching it etc, could this be the product or some error i have done?
@richardorsulich46986 жыл бұрын
What type of clear is the best for headlights ?
@StaunchUnit Жыл бұрын
Love the channel mate 🤙🏻🇦🇺. What air compressor is a good starting point? Would like to spray and use air tools with it. Cheers legends.
@customspraymods Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate. For air tools you would want free air delivery of over 300lpm.
@renosaintz78644 жыл бұрын
Can you paint on chrome metals?
@DecCheah7 жыл бұрын
hi... need advise, if i spray chrome over High temp black... will it stay?
@m0ther_bra1ned127 жыл бұрын
Can I use something like Rustolium to prime or paint thin plastic like a model car or airplane? I've heard automotive paints will warp and even melt thinner plastics. Thanks.
@johannkuhn56857 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure Rust-oleum has straight-on plastic paint. And now that I saw this video, I really have to redo the tailpipe on my daily driver. I don't want to put a tip on, and I stupidly clearcoated it before I let the enamel base cure. Uncured base on a hot exhaust = instant clearcoat failure.
@gixcy7 жыл бұрын
so how about the durable of spray can? in my place indonesia too much painter using sun for it. yaa they using spray gun. but i wanna try a perfect painting surely. i want to try using spray can. in Indonesia best spray can is Samurai Paint. but how do it? i just have a little room yaa maybe too cold not strong enough for drying. thanks alot
@nasigoreng_ati7 жыл бұрын
13 Production it's very hard to find samurai paint in tangerang
@surajsoni-ow5dj6 жыл бұрын
Which spray can clear coat is best for my headlights
@pimpmyforklift8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that mate especially about the silicon like I asked about and now I no that it's true !
@CJ-dx5mc4 жыл бұрын
This is so awesome bro, cheers.
@BLACKJESTER00018 жыл бұрын
Hi what is the meaning of (group 2 )or( group 3 ) automotive paint. What are the myths of spraying 2k paint over 1k acrylic paint . Thanks.
@customspraymods8 жыл бұрын
GM- PMD groupings in colour kind of determines price. Group 3 are reds. Pearls. Expensive colours. Group 1 are generally white. Grey solid colours. 2K over 1k is a no-no.
@bonnivilleblackcherry97456 жыл бұрын
the never rust again statement HAHAHAHA THATS FUCKING HILARIOUS
@inkno7017 жыл бұрын
Possible myth: You can paint an entire car with cans and have a less expensive and higher quality job then if you had it done at one of those quick one day paint shops (like Maaco).
@farasty73714 жыл бұрын
I hope no one believes that
@wojtexs65098 жыл бұрын
great tips! thanks again. Your canal is my favorite! maybe more about painting motorcycle parts? :)
@jermainej56837 жыл бұрын
What brans spray can you'd recommend?
@18IMAMGODINA7 жыл бұрын
Its not different spray cans that give you different spray fans but different spray caps .. :P
@WHJeffB7 жыл бұрын
Yup and you can buy a selection of spray caps cheap off ebay or Amazon
@pauldavison71057 жыл бұрын
StodOne he didn't need to go any further than he said as most buying cans are not going to know about changing the nozzle etc
@just_a_guy135 жыл бұрын
@@WHJeffB drop a link
@andrewh96293 жыл бұрын
Great video.
@lastingimpressionspainting37878 жыл бұрын
got a mobile paint booth. What's the best way to heat in the winter so I can keep spray painting
@inspire7345 жыл бұрын
Try a small electric room heater. I suppose being 2 years ago when you asked, you probably have it figured out by now.
@Boj4n935 жыл бұрын
If someone can help me... Several days ago, I painted some parts on my car but it turned mat instead of shine, color is the same code, I used primer, and everything needed. Is there some way to fix it?
@customspraymods5 жыл бұрын
Boj4n93 have you used clear coat over the colour.
@seekerhooligan7814 жыл бұрын
Great channel. Excellent knowledge. From someone who is a professional, I still find a lot to interest me. Constructively, turn off your fan while you talk. ;-)
@samuelbane67438 жыл бұрын
Awesome Video!
@mknight60267 жыл бұрын
I was told never to run the can for long stretches because the paint will build up on the nozzle and drip
@madeleinegillett58926 жыл бұрын
M Knight If you warm up the paint in a bowl of warm water first, it will run through the nozzel better and you won't get that problem
@inspire7345 жыл бұрын
Keep a paper towel handy to wipe.
@EricPollarrd4 жыл бұрын
You showed the lacquer peel bonnet issue then the fix was on a bike tank 🤔 Surely you can’t paint the entire car because you get a tiny bit of peel on one little edge or corner. I have some peel on small parts of my car when most of the paint is fine and buffs up well, no way I’m spraying the whole damn thing. Can you do a vid on fixing small area peel without painting a huge area ? Suppose it’s similar to painting a scratch 💁🏻♂️
@reedrancho8 жыл бұрын
I'm always amazed how much I learn, even stuff I didn't know I wanted to learn about. ;-) Wish you could "translate" your paint brand(s) to U.S. -but than life would be too simple Oh, Well, Spray On
@joeg12116 жыл бұрын
U never stop learning dude that's for sure
@hornetsting79828 жыл бұрын
Great vid Dave, thanks
@24auhr8 жыл бұрын
Great info bro , i like that you didn't just regurgitate what they teach in school , you show real experience and skills *cick-point* wink ;)