SpyCast - The JFK Assassination Debate: Jefferson Morley vs. Mark Zaid (Part 2)

The investigation deepens in Part 2 of our riveting JFK Assassination debate. Join host Andrew Hammond as he continues moderating this friendly yet intense discussion between Jefferson Morley and Mark Zaid.
🕵️‍♂️ In this episode:
New revelations about Lee Harvey Oswald's intelligence ties
Deep dive into disputed JFK Assassination Records
Analysis of lesser-known conspiracy theories
The debate's impact on public trust in government
Historical context: Cold War tensions and their influence
Morley and Zaid, respected experts with conflicting views, dissect the complexities surrounding November 22, 1963. Their debate sheds light on why this event continues to captivate the public imagination.
🎙️ Featured Experts:
Jefferson Morley: Investigative journalist & author of "Our Man in Mexico"
Mark Zaid: National security attorney & frequent SpyCast contributor
💡 Did you know? The Texas School Book Depository is now a museum exploring Kennedy's legacy and the 1960s. Visit if you're in Dallas!
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[@RobertBurke-tq9zu]

He is completely wrong at 25:10, it wasn't the British Prime Minister who was involved in the profumo affair.

[@James_Bowie]

Yep, John Profumo was Secretary of State for War in Harold Macmillan's Conservative government.

[@lisacesari89]

@IntlSpyMuseum Too many annoying commercial interuptions in this episode! 🚫

[@craigbenz4835]

I wish we had footage of the speakers. Other than the interviewer, the voices of the two others are insufficiently different to distinguish who is making what point.

[@James_Bowie]

Never mind the books referred to in this podcast. The _MUST_ _READ_ book on the history and crimes of the CIA is "The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War" by New York Times journalist and historian, Stephen Kinzer.

[@billtracy8774]

I like the way Occams Razor explains everything. Invoke Occams Razor and you cannot lose any argument, even if you use it wrong.

[@aaronz7056]

Oswald shot Kennedy for the same reason a modern killer shoots up a theater or a concert. He scored 18 out of 20 in rapid fire at targets 200 yards away and it's right there in his Marines scorebook. Kennedy was a slow-moving target a maximum of 88 yards away. Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate 3 shots over 8-9 seconds with several seconds between each, child's play for Oswald and his Carcano.

[@vinonavortex5582]

Best books a farewell to justice Mary’s mosaic and the man who knew too much

[@vinonavortex5582]

Best books a farewell to justice Mary’s mosaic and the man who knew too much

[@juancervantes4085]

"It's like you know, but you don't know"! - James Gandolfini as Tony Soprano

[@aaronz7056]

Ballistic and medical evidence: a) All bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle. b) Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and from behind. c) Within 1-2 frames of Kennedy being hit, Connally's lapel pops out, his hat flips up, his shoulder is driven down, and his expression violently contorts between frames from the blow and his lung being collapsed, all demonstrating one bullet, and from behind. d) Connally was demonstrably seated lower, inboard and turned sharply to his right, the victims' wounds demonstrably lining up on a trajectory and tracking straight back to the sixth floor window. e) View of the entry wound on Connally's back would demonstrably have been blocked by Kennedy's body, meaning the same bullet has to have gone through both of them. f) Bullet recovered from the stretcher is badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side, consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate. g) That bullet was also matched to Oswald's rifle. h) Kennedy is very, very clearly seen in Zapruder's film to suffer a massive exit wound exploding at the temple and absolutely nothing happening at the back of the head, both consistent only with a shot from behind. i) Autopsy clearly demonstrates the shots came from behind. j) Parkland doctors examined the autopsy photos on NOVA in 1988 and had no particular problem with them. k) Connally's said the shots came from behind. l) Witnesses a few feet directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead. m) Those witnesses demonstrably had a clear view behind the knoll fence and would plainly have seen any gunman there. n) Zapruder's secretary was only yards away from the fence and heard and saw nobody there. o) It's vastly, vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions with different guns and bullets.

[@billtracy8774]

biased

[@aaronz7056]

@@billtracy8774 Yes, I'm biased towards a virtual mountain of hard, credible and demonstrable evidence, sue me.

[@aaronz7056]

Yes, I'm "biased" towards a veritable mountain of hard credible and demonstrable evidence you didn't make the slightest attempt to address or disprove, sue me.

[@lisacesari89]

@@aaronz7056 😁

[@garethwaugh1]

Zapruders secretary was holding on to him on the wall as he was scared of losing his balance. Nobody in their right mind (and Oswald was intelligent) would choose a ww2 Italian rifle that had a terrible reputation. Oswald was created by the intelligence community as a fake defector, welcomed on his return to US by George De Moerenschilt and was a CIA agent handled by De Moerenschilt, Ruth Paine and the mysterious Maurice Bishop (David Atlee Philips). Forget LHO, he was the patsy. Who really benefitted? LBJ to save him from prosecution re Bobby Baker and he gets the top job Texan Oil barons annoyed over losing their tax breaks J Edgar Hoover who became FBI director for life under LBJ Military industrial interests who wanted their war in Vietnam Rogue elements of military and the CIA bitter over Bay of Pigs / Cuba Mafia bosses fed up with RFK...... Put these people together and you have a team who can change the politics of the US, plan and commit the crime, botch the autopsy, perpetuate the cover up and control the media, prevent Dallas police from conducting their enquiry and launch an official commission tasked with finding LHO as the lone assassin........oh and Killing off anyone who was inconvenient to them official story.

[@jeffstewart1668]

It always Russia.justsaying

[@jp-lu5yp]

Money trail for 100k leads to Nov 2 plot, Mayor Daley, Chicago, and Kennedy secretary Kenneth ODonnell.

[@warrenlatham6848]

25,000 statements were taken by the Commission, quite thorough I would of thought!

[@niningsetia4213]

Jigong joging jongkok 😂😂😂😂

[@niningsetia4213]

Bravo jojon😂😂😂😂

[@niningsetia4213]

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[@johnsutton3600]

"would of?" lack of education or predictive spelling? you obviously value weight over value. suggest you read HSCA report on this. here it is www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/94755_V.pdf

[@TwelveTribesForever]

It just blows my mind away how different people's brains are. The ziɔnists killɛd him but because the experts have to be very careful they won't (and shouldn't) say it. Everything points to them. The tensions in the air (represented by the umbrella man). Reuben Efron was reading Lee Harvey Oswald's mail and had an apartment a five minute walk from Ben Gurion. Ben Gurions resignation shows they had tensions. Abraham Bolden was the first Black secret service agent who was handpicked by JFK. He claimed there was a previous attempt in Chicago and they got a tip from a man called Lee. Lee told them that Cuban assassins had been hired to murder JFK and the money came from Israeli sources. Also, something went wrong with the murder so Jacob Rubenstein stepped in. Rubenstein said he did it to save the jews. Other's have told the story about Dimona inspections etc and how JFK explicitly mentioned De Gaulles in a phone conversation with Ben Gurion. JFK was then killed on De Gaulles birthday after Ben Gurion resigned. It might not mean anything but it's an observation. They never called Gaddafi names when he brought it up in his UN speech. JFK's money men etc etc.... They did it.

[@aaronz7056]

Everything points to Oswald, actually.

[@vinonavortex5582]

@@aaronz7056 absurd lie

[@aaronz7056]

@@vinonavortex5582 Yeah, we know the drill, pal: Any witnesses point at Oswald, they're all lying. Any evidence points at Oswald, it's all been faked. Any evidence points at Oswald, they're all traitors. In reality, somebody safely approached scores of witnesses, police, FBI, Secret Service, military personnel, doctors, pathologists, x-ray technicians, photographers, ballistics experts, staffs at embassies in another country, Oswald family members, whole commissions, lawyers, senators, congressmen, the D.A., the Chief Justice, journalists, shoe store clerks, etc., and persuaded them all to obey illegal orders, perjure themselves, and make themselves all eternally loyal accessories to murder and treason...

[@vinonavortex5582]

Book is by Joan mellen

[@CollectRecords732]

Jeff was great, as always. This other dude was a bozo and offered nothing. Saying the statements of doctors who tried to save JFK aren’t “evidence” worth considering is something between insanity and stupidity. He’s recommending fictional books about Hoover lmao

[@mattgilbert7347]

Oswald did it, and he acted alone.

[@niningsetia4213]

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[@sandraknight4751]

I disagree.

[@aaronz7056]

@@sandraknight4751 In that case we look forward to you now presenting your ironclad evidence for an accomplice.

[@sandraknight4751]

@@aaronz7056 Let's start with the fact that JFK was hit from the front!

[@aaronz7056]

@@sandraknight4751 Okay, let's start there: a) All bullets and fragments ever found were matched to Oswald's rifle, demonstrating they all came from behind. b) Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead. c) Those witnesses had a demonstrably clear view behind the knoll fence and would plainly have seen any gunman there. d) Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo, from behind. e) Within 1-2 frames of Kennedy being hit, Connally's lapel pops out, his shoulder is driven down, his hat flips up, and his expression violently contorts between frames from the blow and from his lung being collapsed, all demonstrating they are hit by the same bullet, and ergo, from behind. f) Connally was demonstrably seated lower, inboard and turned sharply to his right, the victims' wounds demonstrably lining up on a trajectory and tracking straight back to the sixth floor window. g) View of the entry wound on Connally's back would demonstrably have been blocked by Kennedy's body, ergo, the same bullet has to have gone through both of them, and from behind. h) Bullet recovered from the stretcher is badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side. i) That condition is consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, as it would have done, and then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate, all demonstrating the shot came from behind. j) That bullet was also matched to Oswald's rifle, demonstrating it came from behind. k) Connally's said the shots came from behind. l) Kennedy is plainly seen in Zapruder's film to suffer a massive exit wound exploding at the right temple and nothing happening at the back of the head, both consistent only with a shot from behind. m) Autopsy shows the shots came from behind. n) Parkland doctors examined the autopsy photos on NOVA in 1988 and had no particular problem with them, demonstrating the shots came from behind. o) Zapruder's secretary was only yards away from the knoll fence and saw and heard nobody there. p) Virtually NO witnesses said they thought shots came from both the knoll AND the Depository, it was either one or the other... and shots definitely came from the Depository. q) It's vastly, vastly implausible anybody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions with different guns and bullets. But, have it your way: JFK was hit from the front...

[@vinonavortex5582]

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[@lisacesari89]

@14:20 I like the movie, "Parkland", to look at what the doctors saw, Jefferson Morley. 💋 Parkland (originally titled Four Days in November) is the exciting and definitive narrative of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963. The film-starring Paul Giamatti, Zac Efron, Jacki Weaver, and Billy Bob Thornton-follows a group of individuals making split-second decisions after this incomprehensible event: the doctors and nurses at Parkland Hospital, the chief of the Dallas Secret Service, the cameraman who captured what has become the most examined film in history, the FBI agents who had gunman Lee Harvey Oswald within their grasp, and Vice President Lyndon Johnson who had to take control of the country at a moment’s notice. Based on Vincent Bugliosi’s Reclaiming History-Parkland is the story of that day...

[@lisacesari89]

Vincent T. Bugliosi Jr. (/ˌbuːliˈoʊsi/; August 18, 1934 - June 6, 2015) was an American prosecutor and author who served as Deputy District Attorney for the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office between 1964 and 1972. He became best known for successfully prosecuting Charles Manson and other defendants accused of the Tate-LaBianca murders that took place between August 9 and August 10, 1969.