[SSBU] All Counters RANKED

[@Wings_Of_Nightfall]

Plus the Mii Brawler's counter actually works on WonderWing.

[@IAm-zo1bo]

@Jigs no shit

[@Nintendo_Wolf]

Can someone tell me how to do the backwards counter with Shulk??

[@Nintendo_Wolf]

@Bulb 66 So when you hold the opposite direction he's facing, he does the reverse?

[@smashssf2_ssbc15]

@Jigs technically yes

[@MetaKirb7]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXyVk5Wcq92Cjdk

[@eclecticspaghetti]

You forgot to mention that Joker’s counter lasts for 17 years.

[@vesicapiscis9717]

And you can do it again with hardly any lag. It's the best counter in the game imo

[@no_0riginality937]

Wat Zit Tooya As a Joker main I can say that it’s true

[@intensellylit4100]

And it gives him limit.

[@samstuewe1039]

yeah

[@leifster7762]

This

[@titusvalzpar8637]

Added bonus: Mii Brawler's counter starts with a grab, making it the only counter that works against Banjo & Kazooie's Wonderwing.

[@pixelarticuno1636]

Technically, Bayonetta's and Incineroar's counters work as well, they just don't kill.

[@thevenomoth3455]

Pixel Articuno Does incineroar's really count as a "counter"?

[@titusvalzpar8637]

@@thevenomoth3455 he still gets powered up when he uses it against Wonderwing, so kinda?

[@jdogexe]

@@dubiouslittlecreature908 well it actually is kinda like a counter. It does a little knockback and damage.

[@CEFG100]

The Venomoth He eats my attack, he knocks me back, it’s a counter.

[@Wings_Of_Nightfall]

Everyone with a counter: Not today! Mii Brawler: (barbaric screaming) DDIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

[@ShibuNub3305]

Honestly that’s more relatable tbh

[@LinksYTLink]

Is nobody gonna mention how he said "It's not the base strength of the counter, so I won't count it for the ranking" for Shulk with Smash yet he still included Lucario with max aura.

[@romanlattanzio5641]

True

[@Spoonkid222]

Oh hi, Link.

[@disgustof-riley8338]

But there is a scale with Lucario... For shulk is either he has the Smash art or he doesn't

[@LinksYTLink]

@@disgustof-riley8338 Ok but Lucario's aura is a multiplier, and Shulk's Monado arts are also multipliers. Also by that logic, he would've had to include the Rage multiplier and the 1v1 Multiplier.

[@bladebolt1291]

Because Lucario’s is pathetic.

[@SkyrushFanboy]

Every counter: I’m about to end this man’s whole career Mii brawler: I’m about to *yeet* this man’s whole career

[@tonyamcintyre4400]

Skyrush Fanboy *laughs maniacally*

[@bananaspice1967]

Le throw

[@sadchild9478]

Batabii wdym it’s the best word ever.

[@sadchild9478]

Batabii it’s obviously the most intelligent word possible

[@jdogexe]

@@TheRealBatabii actually it is. Just search up "is yeet a word"

[@thomasdarista2782]

I feel like this doesn't factor in a lot of really important details about counters that would put certain ones way higher than others. The damage multiplier formula for each different counter is a big deal in determining how strong it is, but I'd argue the frame data is vastly more important. How many frames does it take before the counter is active? How long is it active for? How many frames are you vulnerable for after the counter is no longer active before you can move again? With these in mind, Incineroar actually has a pretty amazing counter, but Ike and Roy's are harder, requiring a harder read inputted further in advance. Another example is Joker's rebel guard which can be active for an insane amount of time or canceled relatively early. There's also other little details forgotten here like how Little Mac's counter off stage can frequently get him killed, but Greninja's offstage counter can spike. Mii Brawler's counter is a command grab, thus it's the only counter that can beat wonderwing. Some characters also have counters with poor hitboxes that rarely connect, like Little Mac's. Greninja and Lucario can counter projectiles, and if they're close enough to the user, punish them for it. Incineroar can use Revenge to eat projectiles for a free power-up too.

[@ironwarriornlm]

3 bitches just checked into that shit

[@thomasdarista2782]

I feel like this is a bit harsh, so I wanted to say this is still a fun video, and it was cool to see the power formulas of the counters ranked. I had no idea either of the Mii fighters had such strong counters, but I guess it makes sense, considering they're sacrificing a different move for that counter.

[@TheSteeltec]

@@ironwarriornlm yeah bro not cool, he's just making an analysis of the counters, you shouldn't be so harsh and mean people, there's no point to it other than being frankly kind of an asshole, take some time to reflect dude, no need to troll on the internet just to get the attention you want.

[@thomasdarista2782]

@@TheSteeltec ? I think he was just making a joke about people looking up the stuff I said, not being mean to the uploader. I dunno, maybe I'm reading his comment wrong. But when I was talking about being harsh, I was refering to my own comment lol

[@pulim-v]

Also, a property of Lucario's counter most people seem not to know about is that its knockback and damage only change with Lucario's percent, not with the move countered. That would change the rankings a lot if it was based in, like, Isabelle's jab

[@minhamaenaomecrioupraseregirl]

The problem with Peach's counter is that it deals set damage, so there's no scaling depending on what hits her, a Pikachu jab will make Peach's counter deal 25% But so will Zelda's Back air (sweetspoted) and Chrom's f-smash

[@Cristeve]

The important thing is that it has very good knockback, even if she just countered a jab

[@FoxIord]

You picked one of the strongest B-airs, but not one of the strongest f-smashes. I'm confused.

[@minhamaenaomecrioupraseregirl]

@@FoxIord It's an example and I just wrote whatever was on my mind at the moment

[@FoxIord]

@@minhamaenaomecrioupraseregirl That's cool. I was just curious.

[@minhamaenaomecrioupraseregirl]

@@FoxIord Oh okey :)

[@Roze_aye]

Am I the only one who just learned Shulk has 2 counters?

[@sobervision1049]

I just played Shulk with my friends and fell in love with him and this makes me even more excited.

[@sonio1920]

Yes

[@ImagineMan6454]

Nope

[@TinniestPlane22]

Yep just learned that

[@vmaru3951]

I already know this but it’s actually cool

[@Smash0251]

*Corrin should have won with the most broken counter* If this was Smash 4

[@RemisterReal]

But he isn't a DLC anymore so they nerfed him because they didn't have to attract the customer anymore.

[@buttdiqq]

@@RemisterReal *she/her

[@LDPRxPS3x1]

@@buttdiqq It's actually both. The long haired one is a she and the short haired one is a he.

[@buttdiqq]

@@LDPRxPS3x1 dude i know that xD my point is that practically no one uses the male

[@LDPRxPS3x1]

@@buttdiqq You're not wrong lmao

[@shulkthesmileyboi]

"With Smash active, Shulk ranks at #1." *Excellent. That's what I came here to see.*

[@iceypumpkinhead]

Enemy: [attacks] Mii Brawler: [counters] *_hippity hoppity this stage is now my property_*

[@MrMindCloud]

I was sort of thinking this list would factor in things like frame data, size, endlag, angling, etc. not just raw power. A counter with more power doesn’t necessarily mean it’s better.

[@MK-13337]

Are you telling me that bowser's fsmash isn't better than Ike's nair? Nah man, bowser's fsmash deals more dmg mate 🤔

[@MrMindCloud]

Matti Kauppinen ...what? This list is specifically ranking counters. Of course Boswer’s Fsmash is stronger than Ike’s nair.

[@MK-13337]

No I'm just basing a joke on your (very good) critique. I didn't say bowser's fsmash wasnt more powerful, I said *better.* Bowser's fsmash is one of the hardest hitting moves in the game but is unusable unless you have a hard read (although the armor is nice), and Ike's nair was the first single move that was busted and came to mind. Other such moves might include g&w upB, inkling bair, and pikatchu/pichu upB. All less powerful, yet miles better than bowser's fsmash.

[@MrMindCloud]

Matti Kauppinen lolol I completely understand. You’re comment flew right over my head. But yes, exactly, more power doesn’t equal better.

[@Robbie_Haruna]

That's what I came down here to say. Like Ike's Counter hits really hard for example, but it's the slowest counter startup in the game so it's not great. Shulk's hits really hard on the ground, but if you're in the air it can easily whiff completely. Meanwhile stuff like Greninja's (while not having the sheer raw power of others,) does have a lot more utility thanks to the multiple angles.

[@Lampent12]

Just goes to show, you can't beat the yeet.

[@ShovelLettuce]

Here's an idea, grab kill screens. Haven't seen much of those.

[@Jude3333]

Villager back throw :)

[@mr.moonly]

Incinoroar's up and back throws

[@GyvaterazMN]

Mii Brawler counter throw

[@monoko1234]

Surprised nobody mentioned Ness.

[@Quilquala]

@@monoko1234 this isn't sm4sh

[@dawn_not_dusk]

Please no more Chrom bullying

[@juanrodriguez9971]

Chrom deserves all the bullying.

[@kyeblade06]

@@juanrodriguez9971 expecially for everytime he gets a kill with up-b

[@hogoototwilightian628]

Roy's our boy. Ditch Chrome, switch to Firefox.

[@JS-ne2sd]

@@juanrodriguez9971 no he doesn't

[@skg8961]

He deserves it for all the times sombody has died to frame 10 f-smash

[@memperkasaya2078]

I respect you purely on the fact that you have Octopath and Three Houses music in the background.

[@thealexhunter1688]

I respect him because he has the same name as me

[@aidenschwenger1516]

I literally clicked on this video to see how he would rank witch time, revenge, rebels guard... you know, the actual interesting counters. Also disappointed that he just went in order of kill power instead of looking at practical uses like helping little Mac recover. Or the fact that jokers counter hits on all sides of him

[@illialidur8244]

I am seeing a lot of comments complaining about this list, but Imma be real it is totally fine. Like sure, there are some other factors to consider when ranking counters, but the fact remains he specifically mentioned what the list was based on, so for one the list isn’t really “what counter is the best”, it is more specifically “what counter kills the earliest”, and that being the case no other factors really matter for this ranking. Great list, I was also surprised to see Mii Swordfighter so high. I knew counter throw on brawler was dummy strong, but swordfighter I always thought had a weak counter. Real question though, what about Kirby when he absorbs a counter from an opponent? I wanna know that one.

[@nathancreekmore7589]

The only counter kirby can absorb is peach/daisy as all other counters are down B if I'm not mistaken.

[@peninsulap410]

Theres no neutral b counters buddie

[@nathancreekmore7589]

@@peninsulap410 Except peach/daisy

[@illialidur8244]

Nathan Creekmore the toad counter was the only one I could think of as well

[@shieldlesscap6124]

Counters ranked heavily implies which is the best

[@L_Giancarlo]

Jokers is still the best even though it doesn’t do as much damage because it it hits every direction (even vertically) and it reflects projectiles.

[@ciancaldera6542]

SpookTunes, good point but palutenas is a counter and reflector with no time limit. Joker is higher up but strength isn’t everything. K rools can have his stomach break which is basically a shield break.

[@ericy1817]

@@ciancaldera6542 Joker's counter is invincible frame 3 and active frame 4-31. It has 22 frames of ending lag when not activated and 31 when activated (not the reflect). Joker's counter hitbox is also absolutely massive and can hit below platforms as well as behind joker. Joker's counter also has the highest damage multiplier, at 1.6x damage. Palutena's counter is invincible frame 6 and active frame 7-34, which is slower than Joker's counter. It also has 36 frames of ending lag when not activated, which is much slower than Joker's counter, but only 30 when activated. Palutena's counter hitbox also only hits directly in front of palutena, and not to the side or behind. Joker's rebel guard also starts on frame 3 and can be held to almost 2 seconds. Joker's counter is significantly better than Palu's

[@mitty9109]

@@ciancaldera6542 Joker's is better

[@shieldlesscap6124]

It does more damage than all of the others lmao Kbg is the only area where it isn’t by far the best in the game

[@PrettyKoolCrocodile]

It delivers the hit in a stupid high range.

[@epicman1470]

One thing to point out, Lucrario's counter, does the same damage for countering a forward smash or even just a weak projectile.

[@ironwarriornlm]

so does Paisy's

[@jmash3243]

And greninja’s

[@donovanmahan2901]

funny thing is if you hit a countering Paisy with an active hitbox reflector Paisy ends up being the one that gets hit by the counter, and dies earlier due to the fact that it's reflected

[@lucasdellamaggiore]

@@donovanmahan2901 So if Peach/Daisy were to counter the initial hitbox of Fox's shine for example and he held it, the venom cloud that it let's out would be reflected and she would die instead?

[@donovanmahan2901]

@@lucasdellamaggiore precisely, assuming they are both at high %

[@danielblack5196]

Yo, you didn’t even mention that lucario’s is only based on aura (not how much damage the move that hits him does) and even if you counter a jab it’ll still kill that early.

[@pulim-v]

Was going jist to coment this most ppl don't know it tho

[@Nosretep]

Why do you think it was at 190%?

[@danielblack5196]

Peterson Byrd but why did they charge a smash? My point is, is that Lucario’s counter is clearly one of the best in the game and they didn’t mention any of it’s mechanics. They just gave him max aura because they thought the move worked like all of his other moves with aura. They didn’t know, for example, that if you have a pikmin stuck on you, and you were at max aura next to an olimar at 40% you could press down b at any time and it would instantly kill the olimar. Or if you ran up to Rob’s spinning gyro and countered just one of the hits it could do the same thing to Rob.

[@holyketchup2514]

This honestly is a bad way of rating counters. Different counters have different effects. For example, Greninja's counter can spike when used off stage and angled down.

[@LDPRxPS3x1]

Yeah, this list wasn't very good. He also forgot to cover the weight of the victim, the fact that some counters do more knockback depending on the attack they're countering, and rage.

[@michaelbuffington7141]

Look up jokers counter hit box size. Then you will know the best counter in the game

[@caviaporcellus7253]

Michael Buffington shulk’s lasts for an hour tho

[@shieldlesscap6124]

cavia porcellus if by that you mean the opponent has an hour to get out of the way after getting countered, sure

[@shieldlesscap6124]

LeBaguetteFedoraMan Yeah, iirc Joker’s has the strongest multiplier at 1.6 in terms of raw damage, higher than any other in the game. Combined with being frame 3, its hitbox, having half the endlag of a normal counter and lasting longer than a spotdodge (endlag included), it’s easily the best counter in the game in every category except for kbg.

[@Ahlnie]

Just an FYI, Lucario and Peach/Daisy have counters that don't scale. So they will kill at those percentages regardless of whether they're countering Pikachu's jab or a charged flare blade.

[@DJTileTurnip]

You didn't mention Rebels Guard Technically it isn't a traditional counter but you also mentioned Revenge so

[@brohammanraging8908]

Yeah and he said that revenge didn't count

[@shieldlesscap6124]

Neither of those can kill, and this video only looks at kill %s (which is dumb)

[@potatolord6977]

Shieldlesscap he wanted him to mention how it wouldn’t count

[@tedgrove9412]

For aesthetic purposes, Peach/Daisy is easily the top of the tier! Its so creative and cool with the "personal bodyguard" vibes. It's like Toad is shielding his royal Peach/Daisy from the relentless paparazzi!

[@scourge8143]

The most satisfying has to be either King K. Rool or Brawler

[@flamo2666]

This is terrible, you only really judge when the counter kills or how much percentage it does. You have to take into account the actual important stuff (nobody uses a counter to kill) like the frame data, how quickly the counter comes out, for how long it stays out and how much delay there is. This is a terrible tier list don’t listen to this video. Also most of the time you don’t die that early to counters, the cpu only died because it doesn’t DI or move.

[@reallyspingebillboxpants]

Ok boomer

[@flamo2666]

SpingeBill BoxPants YOU FELL FOR IT FOOL -THUNDER CROSS SPLIT ATTACK- YOU ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD, UNORIGINAL JOKE DESTROYER

[@makomarko4679]

He got banished to the shadow realm

[@reallyspingebillboxpants]

@@flamo2666 Ok boomer

[@NoSmoke1]

Oh

[@thor10001]

It's worth mentioning that Peach/Daisy's counter always kills at the same percent, regardless of the attack being countered

[@gamecrashersinkorporated4134]

Well, would you look at that? The majority of the Smash community has slept on the Mii Fighters just because they're Miis, judging a book by its cover. But here, you all get a glimpse of their potential.

[@9ensokyo.]

that doesnt make sense

[@Bluebatstar]

That's true, the Miis are underrated in my opinion. I even main Swordfighter.

[@gamecrashersinkorporated4134]

@@Bluebatstar Mii Brawler main here, basically starting after I beat World of Light. Miis need more respect.

[@Bluebatstar]

@@gamecrashersinkorporated4134 Agreed.

[@leanygreeny9152]

Ive heard that the miis only het disrespect because their moveset could be so random, and therefore preventing competitive players practicing a matchup.

[@skybubbles2637]

Alex: ranking counters Me: COUNTER IS COUNTER

[@quesadillamante]

Casual

[@cgillis3989]

"I had no idea the Mii counters were so powerful!" Seems like that's a common thing to miss; Mii's really don't get enough love :(

[@lordlarac]

Bruh arsene counter easily the best, amazing frame data, lasts for alot longer than the enemy thinks and reflects projectiles

[@jawad6450]

Peach counter always does 25 no matter what move you counter which adds a lot of utility

[@link2125]

Something notable about K. Rool's is that, not only does it reflect, but it also has a power scaling hitbox depending on what it reflects. Meaning if you're close to someone when they throw out a projectile, both the hitbox and projectile can hit. You can do over 100% to Byleth like this, for instance.

[@areloTET]

Mii Brawler's counter kills at 0% if Bowser uses his Forward Smash.

[@josephassiryani9174]

3:40 “Joker only has his counter when *arsen* is out” Couldn’t have said it better myself

[@bigpapan.g3245]

I like how the counters that don’t kill at as low percents have their own advantages rather than just being entirely outdone. - direction options - projectile reflect - longer invincibility - guarantee damage - specific counter hit box (for the best killer)

[@justcallmexen]

The thing about Lucario and Peach's/Daisy's counters is that they don't scale with the move that connected with them. Sure it might seem "pathetic" to ko Chrom from his smash attack at 166% but he would do the same thing from a jab. It means that he doesn't need to risk being hit by a bigger attack to retaliate with a powerful move when at higher aura, any hit box will do.

[@lewyn4k]

It's worth considering how Greninja's counter can be used as an edgeguarding option. It can kill characters with hitboxes on their up b ridiculously early with the downwards one.

[@emorybest1003]

The thumbnail takes “You may have outsmarted me... but I outsmarted your outsmarting!” To another level

[@cheeleong9947]

Lucina: *counters at Chrom* Robin: How could you kill your father like this

[@rebeccafegan3425]

All the three houses music 👀 love it

[@yosoyzurdo5300]

I watched a video on shared content in smash of a Roy killing Little Mac with his counter at 0%! The video was called "RIP Little Mac"

[@jamesdosdall8391]

Max Aura Lucario's counter is the best, are you kidding me? It activates in like 3 frames, so it's impossible to string Lucario. It teleports him, so it can hit people above him, below him, and it can even hit people who hit him with projectiles. I killed someone by triggering Lucario's counter off of the tip of Palutena's up smash. Plus because it's based on Lucario's aura rather than the strength of the hit, you can KO people off of super annoying multi-hit attacks like Yoshi's dair and Luigu's spinny thing. Lucario's counter is BEAST. Easily number 1.

[@MonadoJoJo]

I had no idea tha MII BRAWLER of all characters would have the best counter.

[@cailieisidro5758]

Same here and that's my main

[@olivia8080]

Definitely not the best, just kills the earliest on a fully charged f smash. Arsene counter is definitely the best

[@scourge8143]

If it connects. Sometime it misses or some attacks don’t trigger

[@conntoons_4848]

Mii brawler’s Counter is literal BOO BOO

[@Calebanton]

Peach's counter is pretty good competitively wise. It lasts a while and she turns around and it has range. Ex: Megaman is throwing stuff, just counter and you win neutral

[@the_steveny_way7932]

It’s sad to see how this is ranked by raw kill power, when the most important thing is the framedata that coincides with the counter

[@keaedo394]

good thing about lucario’s counter is that it doesn’t depend on the attacker’s power, but on his aura... so if lucario and the opponent are at... idk... 80% at a ledge, then a tiny jab or getting hit by mario’s fireball nearby will kill them

[@lemondrop0568]

You forgot that Greninja's counter spikes

[@azumarill80085]

Daisy’s counter is so good. Frame 7, kill move, does 26.4% no matter what move hits it, good for gimping hitbox recoveries

[@Bogmire_is_me]

IMO you should have titled this video “RANKING ALL COUNTERS BY *STRENGTH*” other counters such as Greninja, would be higher due to their utility outside of their strength.

[@V-D.]

I like your video's. They cover techniques in SSBU that are not too easy and not too difficult to understand (too much in-dept). I like that a lot😃

[@haiku_king]

Ranking them on viability would’ve been way more useful...

[@underdog_empire]

With Sephiroth added as DLC, where would he be placed at? Also Pit should receive some type of honorable mention for having a secret counter. Once his guardian orbitars break, he can either follow up with a grab, attack or a dodge. The downside to this is that the shield needs 10 seconds before it can be used. The move protects him from a lot of strong attacks except ones with multi hit, grabs and most command grabs. In the air, the move is a little risky because his feet is exposed and once they get hit, he takes the full damage.

[@AverageHandle_]

Glad this was made after 6.0

[@BoBnfishy]

I think this list is a little bit limited in scope. There are a lot of variables that determine what one is best. Combo potential, ending lag, and number of moves that they can protect from are all important factors that just didn't get added in.

[@turtlelizard1531]

3:22 Then why was max aura included?

[@Boomey99]

Alex: shulk’s smash manado is not the bass strength Also Alex: *ranks lucario twice for aura*

[@nathanielmelanson4431]

Think you can do a tier on what percent Mr. Game and Watch’s Oil Panic kills based on what projectile he absorbs?

[@cjlite0210]

So where would you put Sephiroth's counter?

[@thinkublu]

I thought this was gonna be a look at the best, rather than the earliest killing mii brawler definitely has the worst counter, it's so so difficult to time it and to get hit in the right place, and he just has two better options for that slot

[@seabassio7126]

Skye it is hard to time, but the low endlag and the fact that it beats wonderwing makes it better than other counters

[@shieldlesscap6124]

Seabass The low endlag is still higher than other counters like Joker’s

[@azumarill80085]

Peach and Daisy’s counters are way better, personally I feel you should have ranked it differently. The strongest counters are ranked correctly in the video but I think the “best” counters would differ. Daisy’s counter is so useful because while not all the hits may connect, they do most the time and deal 26%. And it’s a set percent counter so ANY move will trigger the same amount of damage given. This makes it really useful to go against characters that spam projectiles because daisy can counter an arrow and get a free 26%, while other characters counters wouldn’t even be worth using on that weak of a move due to lag and low damage output.

[@Cristeve]

Yeah, *PEACH'S* counter is underrated

[@duyan3010]

An incinarour main: I wonder what rank revenge get The video: NO

[@gabrielkrows488]

Me

[@Luma_29]

I strongly disagree. Paisy’s counter is mad good. It can kill way way earlier than you mentioned, depending on which spore you get hit by. It also has a ridiculously long lingering hit box and does a whopping >22% on ANY hit.

[@Cristeve]

Also, it's very easy to edgeguard with him (Toad) Yeah, *PEACH'S* counter is very good :)

[@nonplayercharacter12333]

One of the greatest feelings in this game is waiting for your opponent to fully charge a Smash Attack or a slow, but powerful move, walking up without fear and Countering it. Unless your opponent baits YOU into countering early and you get hit by the Scrub Killer.

[@Mage_Nichlas_]

Mac's Counter is good at edge guarding. At least that's how my friend likes to use it.

[@warrensnook9435]

Nobody: Everybody now: *considers if Mii Brawler is worth playing because of his counter* 😂

[@alabph]

Based on this comment, I can tell the commenter is a casual who thinks brawler is good because his counter is "the best". Just so you know, his counter isn't even that good.

[@LDPRxPS3x1]

I still don't like Mii Brawler lmao

[@quintongareau-hames7903]

If u use that you're giving up the best command grab or your recovery

[@juanrodriguez9971]

People will considered its existence the day Sakurai gives it a meme outfit, just like with Mii Gunner.

[@theberserkturk6059]

I’m an Ike main, and there’s nothing more satisfying than landing a well timed counter. I don’t typically use them unless I have a good read on my opponent, or if I notice a habit.

[@PlumEXE]

Loving the username pal

[@Isolet_SSB]

I think you should have mentioned that the kill % depends on where the opponent is and how much rage the other person has and which attack was countered and how charged it was...and how heavy the character is... I guess it’s something to say since you mentioned technicalities as Revenge and Witch Time.

[@ABAgamer_]

Correction. Mii Brawler’s is called “this fighter empty”, not counter. Otherwise, quite the video!

[@gintokisakata514]

Y E E T

[@way_2_saucy848]

If only he made this video after Sora was released, his counter may as well be called the Sephiroth Slaughterer

[@pizzacrust1238]

The thing is, the CPU barely doesn’t fully charge the f-smash so you have to use another person to fully charge it

[@isemitelav7723]

Unless they shield break you?

[@blobona_4947]

Wait what are things like warios chomp called then if it's not a counter? It heals with regular objects and oponeote but not explosives idk what to call it not a heal, counter, anything

[@VideoCentral-bh9tf]

Yeah, Mii brawler has a good counter.

[@monoko1234]

If it wasn't hardest one to aim.

[@VideoCentral-bh9tf]

@@monoko1234 yeah, it's hitbox is the size of his hand basically.

[@monoko1234]

@@VideoCentral-bh9tf Uh, I mean it's counter frame is short and hard to escape juggling with this. At least endlag is also short.

[@VideoCentral-bh9tf]

@@monoko1234 yeah.

[@VideoCentral-bh9tf]

@@monoko1234but the hitbox is also really bad

[@glamoroushd758]

Finally the miis are good at something

[@domhyrule]

Joker's is hella fast

[@LegoSonic-p2f]

Daisy: Toad, please be careful. Toad: Okay royal highness.

[@aliengod3129]

Im so tired of move rankings from KZbinrs who literally have no idea what's going on lmao He didn't account for frame data, hitboxes, knockback growth, edgeguarding potential like greninjas which will literally kill at 0 if angled down, and it's obvious he has no idea how to account for any of this because he completely discounts Incineroar and Bayo because they're unconventional counters and dont have a kill percent for him to rank lmao

[@LDPRxPS3x1]

Greninja's spike doesn't really kill at 0 if the opponent has a decent recovery. I'd say it'll kill at around 40%.

[@aliengod3129]

@@LDPRxPS3x1 yeah that's fair, I dont really play gren too much but it has the capability to kill at zero and that isnt covered at all in the video

[@LDPRxPS3x1]

@@aliengod3129 It is true that it kills much earlier than this video anticipates, though. This video could've been a lot better if they experimented with the counters a little bit more..

[@aliengod3129]

@@LDPRxPS3x1 like how he said the up version kills the earliest despite him being center stage so OBVIOUSLY the upward direction kills the soonest. It's also to extent what i meant about knockback growth and such because some moves have higher base knockback and will kill sooner than others at ledge vs midstage

[@aliengod3129]

@@LDPRxPS3x1 and I'm not entirely sure if that would change much on this list specifically, but you can just tell it never crossed his mind to check and that really bugs me lol

[@chrisg8989]

Sure peach/daisy counter is on the weaker side for knock back but it does alot if dmg and lasts like a year.

[@angrychicken7097]

Just letting you know, King K. Rool’s can also reflect projectiles.

[@Meme_Man_]

3:45, and pause, and look at the bottom.

[@angrychicken7097]

Meme Lord wow I’m blind lmao. My mind just thought that said Palutena instead of K. Rool because he was talking about Palutena at that moment.

[@Meme_Man_]

@@angrychicken7097 WOW.

[@Meme_Man_]

@@angrychicken7097 That's somethin alright.

[@angrychicken7097]

Meme Lord I can read I swear

[@decidueyefan3844]

Toad before: helpmeshesholdingmehostage Toad now: I guess I’ll help her of my own will this time Peach: so ur gonna kill earlier? Toad: lol no

[@Cristeve]

Technically he does, in Melee and Brawl he was trash

[@ianoliano2057]

Where. Is. Ike.

[@Wattmelon]

Fun Fact: Technically, no counters work on Jigglypuff’s Rest. She has a few intangibility frames when Rest is activated, which leaves her in the sleeping animation after being countered. It even goes through Peach/Daisy’s multi-hit Toad, Brawler’s grapple (iirc), and Lucario/Greninja/Shulk’s longer counters.

[@GobouLePoissonBoue]

B-but what about Kirby when he inhales Peach/Daisy???

[@liryc7969]

Also Lucario when he gots 999% 😢

[@quintongareau-hames7903]

It's the same as peach's

[@rah8693]

ZP LIRYC When he goes 999 it’s the same as 190 because he is at max aura

[@liryc7969]

@@rah8693 i know ahah ^^' It's a sort of speaking ;-) (I'm french d'ont worry of my bad english)

[@juanrodriguez9971]

I made a meme on Facebook about this topic and I ranked them in 4 tiers: *Counters those actually works (land the hit and can kill). *Counters those are useless (or can't land a bit as the others, or just don't deal to much damage) *Literally commits SD (Little Mac, poor boy). *And Incineroar, I didn't add a 5th tier because I didn't knew about Bayonetta's counter, I never play as her xD

[@cailieisidro5758]

I'm surprised how my main (Mii Brawler) is number 1. And I thought Arsene is broken.

[@A-Microwave]

the counter is weak against disjoints though

[@Meme_Man_]

As a K. Rool main, I knew I could turn his counter around. For example, if a projectile hit you in a free for all, you could send the projectile to another enemy.

[@gipt995]

Bad list, should do more then just list numbers, rank them by effects and practical use

[@giogg_11]

It's also worth noting that lucario's counter is completely based on aura and not on countered move. thus, a countered fox lazer and bowser fsmash does the same damage and knockback as long as lucario has the same aura in both interactions.

[@GravityBouncer]

Counters are the bane of my existence

[@Hekza0024]

Swordies: Not today! Daisy/peach: I offer this sacrifice Joker: Reflector? check. Counter? check. That’s checkmate. Mii brawler: ргераге fог dеатн. *у е е т*

[@crystalrobinson2749]

Amrs character:i about to end this mii hold career

[@alexsm6552]

With the Octopath Traveler OST this video gets quite better

[@Sjono]

I feel Joker’s counter is the best because it covers all directions, also reflects projectiles, has little ending lag, and makes the best sound effect when activated

[@joeywild2011]

Nice music choices for the video

[@PrettyKoolCrocodile]

Thank goodness King K. Rool's Kounter was buffed. 3:27 I get that we are here but WHY TF are we tied with Joker? Sure we are invincible from behind and kan turnaround after a successful detection but Joker's hits from everywhere. Good on us all reflecting tho. Was proper DI used?

[@watcher4018]

i love the octopath traveler backround music

[@arinex1332]

So, you wont be getting much out of a fireball. *Laughs in Incineroar*