SSD Life Expectancy and High Endurance SSDs

In this video we discuss SSD life expectancy and what SSDs last the longest and are best for NAS devices or Storage Servers. If you are looking for an SSD for storage that will last a very long time please watch this video.
We also discuss TBW (Terabytes Written) and DWPD (device/drive writes per day). If you want to know what SSDs will provide the most TBW then watch this video to learn how to search for them.
Pro High Endurance SSD Drives:
Samsung PM893 Line of SSDs - amzn.to/40PTFuf
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Intel D3 Line of SSDs -amzn.to/437rzMB
Intel D3-S4510 960 GB SSD - amzn.to/3KfcGzb
Intel D3-S4610 1.92 TB SSD - amzn.to/3zytY5q
Intel P4511 M.2 Drive - amzn.to/433zvP3
WD Red SSD (can work too) - amzn.to/415iEtf
Consumer SSD Drives:
Samsung 870 EVO 1TB SSD - amzn.to/3nNgiRq
Samsung 870 EVO 500 GB SSD - amzn.to/3KfR59I
WD Blue SA510 1 TB SSD - amzn.to/3GgBZ2L
Crucial MX500 1TB SSD - amzn.to/3Ml5jc9
Crucial BX500 240 GB SSD - amzn.to/3MfQkjL
Intel 670P M.2 NVMe SSD 1TB - amzn.to/416pvT5
What is TBW - www.chillblast...
What is DWPD - www.techtarget...
MicroCenter is good source of TBW - www.microcente...
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[@DrRizzwan]

Holy... this video is packed with info. Cant beleive this is free haha. Thanks. Please do more of these videos.

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for watching and the post.

[@Peter-jm7zt]

Hi Craig, thanks for sharing all that info. You reminded me of that saying,’ A poor man pays twice’. All the best regards Peter.

[@craigneidel]

Thanks Peter. Yes, I would say most don't need these but it's nice to know if you are building out a long term storage device like a NAS or Server.

[@AngeloGero]

Another point to consider when purchasing SSD's for desktop computers is swap file writes which can add up especially when sessions run short of available RAM capacity which is more common than most users realize. (Example: MacBook M1/M2 Air's which are frequently sold with 8 GB of RAM and have non-replaceable SSD's)

[@craigneidel]

Yes, for sure and we have covered swap a few times in some of our videos. Thanks for watching and posting as it helps others watching.

[@jirehla-ab1671]

​​@@craigneideli also have 64 gb ram & i have 320tbw ssd, would it be ok to use hibernate especially when i use half to almost full of my ram? I?

[@Maolana_ModiG]

​@@jirehla-ab1671no..not at all.

[@jirehla-ab1671]

@@Maolana_ModiG why?

[@Maolana_ModiG]

@@jirehla-ab1671 do ur calculation based on your usage. u r putting extra burden on your ssd daily .. why do want to decrease ur ssd life span. all modern laptop disable hibernate feature. u can use sleep mode for 5-6 ours delay.

[@BrianGarside]

Thank you. I've Been waiting for a video like this. Not every enterprise capable SSD drive needs a label and you have shown us this. Truly useful information

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for watching and I hope it helps.

[@Michael-it6gb]

I'm more interested in life expectency of the drive. Meaning if I just copy my files to an SSD drive and then put it away in a normal heated room temp environment in another box lets say, and then 2 decades later I take it out, put it into the computer and all the files are there with zero bad sectors or anything like that.

[@craigneidel]

Yes, that is a bit different and while SSDs are getting way better their are other types of media like tape storage or even HDD that might last a bit longer with that. I'm sure this will be fixed soon though and my guess a standard will come out in the next 3 years for longer term storage that isn't too expensive.

[@Duneqraft]

I would easily give $1000+ for a SSD 500Gb with 50 years warranty. Full compensation for all loss of data. From bad sectors to anything having to do with the hardware, firmware or chassi. 🙂

[@glebfirstov1988]

Being unpowered for about a year can clear data in solid state storage

[@TurboLoveTrain]

In 2007 I spent months going through MTBF data on SSDs building a business case for Rockwell Collins to migrate all the HDDs to SSDs for cabin system computing. In flight vibrations were killing the life of the HDDs. Thanks for sharing such valuable information. I am a fan of Samsung for home use because their cloning software is fantastic.

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for the post and the feedback. I like to hear stories about what people do.

[@LordAlucar01]

i had no clue those drives exist, this certainly opens my eyes why some look the same yet are not, thank you, i may not need profesional drive because i use little data under 300gb per month. keep it up its allways great to learn new things especially with tehnology going up and it gets more confusing with each generation and inflation.

[@craigneidel]

Yes, most won't need these but just in case you decide to build out a NAS or some storage solution where you are moving a ton of data they do help. Thanks.

[@CAA84788]

Craig, you have some the most useful content! Thanks!

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for the nice comments and for watching.

[@joeglennaz]

I can’t believe this video doesn’t have 5000 views.

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for watching, maybe one day it will get there. My videos ramp up over time and sometimes it takes 3 years. I have a few that have 70K but it took 3 years so you never do know. Thanks for watching.

[@Tuccooo]

man thank you so much for your precision you answered every single questions i had

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for the feedback and for watching.

[@nunofreiredossantos2285]

It's like you read my mind, because I've been checking on SSD theoretical durability, based on TBW, for the last couple of days. I was very much surprised about Kingston's SSD's TBW, as I've found NV2 to have lower TBW (I believe it's 320tbw for a 1Tb hard drive) when compared to some of the competition. With DriveDx I managed to see that the my Mac Mini M1 8Gb of Ram and 512Gb of HD, since I bought it has registered 2,9Tb written for 203 days and, based on this information, I wasn't so unsatisfied with NV2 (which I was targeting). It seems that, at my office with my working Mac, I average less than 15Gb of written data and, at that rate, the Kingston NV2 I was checking to use for backups will work forever. So, I concluded that one should measure what they need before splashing out more money than they need to, when choosing a SSD.

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for watching and I agree. Even 120 TB endurance on a 1 TB drive most people won't be reaching plus they SSD could last longer. Most people might put like 50 GB a week on an ssd at most and at that rate it would take over 40 years to reach that. But if you are using as a NAS or server you might be doing 2 TB a week and then that would only last about 2 years.

[@jirehla-ab1671]

​@@craigneideldoes hibernate on a 320tbw ssd with 64gb ram will shorten my 320tbw ssd faster? & i also currently have 2 1tb kingston nv2 ssds & besides video editing, i am also into virtualization & relational databases, not sure if 320tbw will last me long enough.

[@madarauchiha4298]

This is the most informative video I have watched on SSDs. The server edition SSDs are insane when it comes to write endurance. I'm mind blown.

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for the feedback and for watching.

[@maiden5427]

Wish I watched this before odering an ssd

[@craigneidel]

No worries, most are good today.

[@JP-zd8hm]

Also cheap used on eBay now, eg Intel S3610s, 1.6TB drives with 80% remaining (8PB write life) are like $100. But they are slower in terms of IOPs.

[@bryans8656]

Thanks for another great tutorial Craig. I didn't know about the all of the numbers and options I should be looking at when I purchased an SSD.

[@craigneidel]

Thanks, yes there are a number of drives these companies make that are for NAS and servers where the data movement may be much higher. Thanks for watching.

[@asan1050]

Craig Neidel Thanks Much!

[@Mark-rw3kw]

Maybe I am wrong, but I don't believe there is any objective tests of manufacturer claims about how durable their memory is (TBW). Also, it would have been good to discuss the way data is stored on SSD's and how that relates to durability vs speed. NAND flash memory chips consist of an array of blocks and an array of memory cells within each block. NAND flash memory breaks down into several design types, including "Single Level Cells" (SLC), Multi-Level Cells (MLC), "Triple-Level Cells" (TLC), "Quad-Level Cells" (QLC), and "Penta-level Cells" (PCL), with the difference being the number of bits per memory cell. Each added bit comes with a performance, endurance and reliability penalty. SLC offers the highest performance, endurance and reliability but has a high price per GB and is often used in commercial and industrial applications. MLC and TLC are both cheaper and denser and better options for write-intensive applications. QLC is primarily for read-intensive workloads such as data analytics and machine learning. PLC offers limited endurance and a low cost per GB and is suitable for archival applications. Some manufacturers and retailers will disclose the design type (SLC, MLC, etc) in their specs, so that is something reviewers should mention, as sort of double check of manufacturer TBW claims. Lastly, the SSD microcode that acts as a disk controller is important to be able to correct any errors detected, and the ability to update the SSD microcode via SSD vendor software could be a factor if there is a problem. There have been a few well-publicized problems with SSD microcode controller software that needed to be corrected by the vendor.

[@craigneidel]

My video was just an introduction to this and I didn't get that technical with it. My viewers like more of a general overview to make them aware of the topic.

[@hidefsteve]

I had no idea about this. Very informative, thanks.

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for the feedback and for watching.

[@xec467]

There is a channel in Spanish (@goroware) that test the life of SSDs in real tests. For months it subjects them to continuous writing tests, and also reading tests to ensure the integrity of the data. If you activate the translation of the subtitles you can follow the experiments well. For now, the majority of SSDs tested are from the entry level, but it is surprising how in real-life tests many of the most recognized brands achieve a life cycle several times greater (up to 10) than those specified by the manufacturers' data. It seems they play it safe giving much more conservative values. However, the cheap SDDs tested from Chinese brands do not fare so well. Ah, thank you for this master class :).

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for watching and the info on the Spanish video. Appreciate that for sure.

[@Zonker66]

I've researched information about DC drives for a while, wondering why they're not used much, especially in a NAS where data is rewriten a lot. Saw something recently about TBW/sector. It explained why the endurance went up as the size of the drive went up. 1.4TBW with a 2TB drive and 2.8TBW with a 4TB drive... but no one seems to cover that and it took me ages to find myself. EDIT: Learned about SLC/MLC/TLC/QLC... Single, Multi. Tri, Quad... essentially 1-4 bits/cell, from what I can gather. The newer one (QLC) is faster, but the older ones seem far better at Endurance. Hope you talked/have talked about this. Also, that 90s music blast in the intro makes the channel seem amateurish... you're better than that, sir.

[@craigneidel]

Yes, they go up with larger drives because their is more space to fill up so the overall TBW will be higher. But with that said there are still some drives that will perform much longer than others at the same size. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@jirehla-ab1671]

​@@craigneidelshould i worry more on having backups as opposed to having a long lasting ssd.

[@danteerskine7678]

​@@jirehla-ab1671man, you don't have to worry about SSD endurance when it comes to backup files, external SSD are meant to be read more than writes , so as long as it is powered once a year, you don't risk losing data at all

[@Mack_Dingo]

QLC usually has the least TBW

[@robervaldo4633]

datacenter SSD drives are speced to hold the data for only 3 months unpowered, while consumer drives are speced for 1 year

[@irwantirta1324]

TBW is my main focus when looking for ssd

[@craigneidel]

It all depends on what you are doing on the drive and how you are using it. If you are just copying some backup files from time to time most of these will last 10 years or more easily.

[@jonsmith7718]

thanks for sharing the datacenter experience knowledge :)

[@craigneidel]

Just some insights on the drives we used but everything changes so fast I'm sure it will be different in a few years.

[@VintageSG]

Just to add a caveat. I use Linux. I selected EXT2 for my drives when I switched over from spinning discs. All well and good. I went with EXT2 to avoid the additional writes journaling brings. No SMART errors for two years, then I got an alert. A warning, not catastrophic. My boot and OS drive was fine. However, my home drive had reached 75% write life expectancy. I neglected to add the 'noatime' switch to the fstab file. That's on me. Even the act of reading a configuration file on program startup updated the table as the file had been accessed, the 'atime' was updated, which equals writes. There are a lot of small files being read from and written to. Write to the file?, a write ( obv. ), the atime gets updated, which would be written at the same time. Access the file, even reading it, and the atime gets updated. Updating that one byte requires a write. Setting noatime in the fstab doesn't disable mtime or ctime attributes, but it does reduce the write amplification. The drives in question are Crucial MX500 500GB 2.5" models. I'm still using the boot drive, but have retired the home drive as an archive, replaced it, and set noatime 🙂 The boot and OS drive has a 4.5 year power on time with 44% lifetime remaining. Not bad.

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for all the info and for watching. I still boot off a 1 TB Samsung EVO on my 27" iMac and have been doing it for 5 years with over 550 4K video edits on that machine. Still working fine and way over the TBW amounts. I have found that each drive can be very different and if you get lucky they can last way over their ratings.

[@MrKillswitch88]

Regarding endurance people don't realize how easy in some uses drives can wear out if even fail in some instances. The quickest I've seen a nvme drive be functionally used up was a Firecuda 2TB that had around 2800 tbw written for something that was only rated for 2400 but the kicker was it only had around 7k hours on the clock.

[@craigneidel]

Things can wear out and sometimes individual drives are bad, but overall they should last much longer than most people need. Especially with the new trends where people change out computers every 2-3 years. But, anything can happen for sure. Thanks for watching.

[@royc4694]

Ive had 2 intel ssd's that already died. Only did max 2tb of writing. The mx500 is still doing well. The TBW doesnt apply alwase this way.

[@craigneidel]

Yes, for sure. Although they normally last much longer then what the rating says. But, some can fail.

[@williameverets2736]

This is one Great Video, Thank You so Much.

[@craigneidel]

Thanks again for watching.

[@Dragnulls]

I bought a 980 pro a couple days ago for 88.75 total price switching from a mx500 256gb + WD10EZEX 1TB and the difference is night and day although not massive. Its like the fifference between near seemless and seemless. This is for gaming paired with an i5 8600K and an GTX 1060 6GB and 2x16GB 3200Mhz CL16 crucial vengence ram. Mobo being as asrock Z variant idk which one but the 980 pro makes my system just feel fast. I would absolutely recommend but it is complete overkill and a waste of money even in this regard, I'm not too concerned about finnance though because these big purchases are infequent so I can afford it. In-fact, I still use that mx500 for misc stuff and it is good enough despite the 980 being 10x as faster due to the speeds of both basically already being good, making my total system storage 1.1TB~. Also transfering large files for gaming in the gigabytes feels seemless, even when it was done on my ssd bootdrive. So for gaming atleast, harddrives are obsolete and I am against their usuage entirely, even my SATA disk would be better (if it was bigger like 512GB) you don't want to go back to HDDs once you see its preformance.

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for the post.

[@kenzilamberto1981]

Bought a used SM863a (2018) thanks to you man. If they have a newer version later for sale then I'll be happier haha

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for watching and the post.

[@Wlad1]

Well, it's a good old MLC-SSD... was about ~300 bucks /1TB 5 years ago, now they want about double for the remaining ones (600 bucks for 960GB model!). I guess their time is definitively over. 😞

[@craigneidel]

Yeah, for that price yes

[@robervaldo4633]

the TBW limit does not mean the drive’s gonna fail after that, it means the drive can no longer guarantee the data written to it can be held for at least 1 year (consumer, or 3 months IIRC, for datacenter drives) unpowered

[@craigneidel]

Yes for sure. Drives usually last much longer .

[@SylvesterGoldStone]

Hi Craig, this is a question about SSD SATA vs M.2 NVME. Suppose we compare between: 1)Same Brand (Samsung), 2)Same Capacity (any TB), 3)Same WorkLoad (Aprox.1.5 TB / day), 4)Speed & Price are NOT main issues, but Long-Term DATA LOSS (Data Safety) is The MAIN Concern, 5)Form-Factor is NOT an issue, because we will use EXTERNALLY using enclosures, THEN WHAT would you choose: SSD SATA3.0 or M.2 NVME ? Thank You for your Video !

[@craigneidel]

I mean if speed isn't an issue I like to use SATA as the heat isn't as high and that takes that out of the equation (controlling heat on NVME drives). But as far as reliability I think they are very similar and the newer drives do a better job (good drives). So maybe going with a newer model could add something to this also.

[@SylvesterGoldStone]

​@@craigneidel​Thank You Craig for your answer. Based on your explanation, tentatively, I decided to use Samsung 870 EVO which is an SSD SATA III, instead of M.2 NVME or HDD.

[@SylvesterGoldStone]

This video said Samsung 870 EVO is not good: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKmQhn2pja-enrMsi=AfZR1uEesqyd1_o0

[@fa6151]

Thank you. I went with intel D3-S4510.. just make sure you update firmare .. applies to D3-S4610 too. S4520 + S4620 are fine but more way expensive like x3 cash

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for the info and I wish you luck with everything. We use these on datacenter machines with very high read and writes and they work great long term in most cases.

[@Myself-yh9rr]

With 2 capacities from the same product line if you notice double the capacity double the TBW rating you might realize one thing. Same NAND chips but the one with double the capacity double the NAND chip count. The higher TBW is because the controller has more chips to spread the data out onto. To simplify it, if you had one with just one NAND chip one with two that have similar specs would have 2 times the TBW rating. Also the kind of memory is a huge factor. These are all going to be MLC (2 layer cell) or TLC (triple layer cell). There is SLC and it would last longer but it is a heck of a lot more expensive!! Also the fewer layers per cell the better the transfer speed. The QLC in the consumer market is going to be a lot slower than MLC unless it can run at a high enough frequency to make up for it. That would result in more heat and shorter life yet! That is unless you have good cooling. A server has powerful fans but they are also *LOUD*. So not only is the server/professional product just better over all for reliability but it the fans in the servers which they are used in will make them last even longer with that added airflow. I am by no means an expert on this or an IT person. I just see the logic behind it and know a bit about the various NAND flash memory types.

[@craigneidel]

Yes, the size of the drive will have more endurance for sure.

[@Myself-yh9rr]

@@craigneidel Just because the writes are distributed across more NAND chips. It would be somewhat like a RAID 0 configuration and maybe even be faster than one with half the number of NAND chips. Of course if people just now looking for SSDs all of our jargon might confuse them.

[@craigneidel]

Yes, for sure. Thanks again for the comments.

[@alphaomega154]

you know we all need external drive for miscellaneous storage that is small maybe smaller than a typical 2.5 inch sata drive that holds up to 8 TB, but something that can retain its data even after if it hasnt been powered up for 2 years, and can be rewritten unlimitedly. and made out of a durable casing that could survive fire and waterproof or having its socket metal pins to be corrosive resistance. technically in short an external portable SSD that lasts a lifetime. there havent been that. SSD is like the OLED tech. no matter how much improved the tech is, since they will still use the same type of method and materials to retain and exchange charges that form into "digital" signals, that DETERIORATES in every exchanges. the same as organic isotopes in OLED tech. so then the only solution is to create new type of storage that fits the needs that i mentioned above. using new type of tech and methods to store that electrical signals.

[@craigneidel]

Yes, there is no perfect solution for sure and the best idea is to backup to multiple mediums and if one fails move the backups to a new medium.

[@Myself-yh9rr]

I would want high endurance vs the new QLC crap they are releasing on the consumer market. Then they are working on pentalevel cell. How long will it be before you only get 100 write cycles and absolutely atrocious speeds to go with it???

[@craigneidel]

I have a personal story. I have used a Samsung QVO 2.5" drive to boot my 2017 imac from for over 6 years now. I have processed over 620 4K videos on that drive and used it every single day for 7 hours. It's still going strong and I pushed this to the limits. And it's only the QVO drive. So I think most SSD now even the QLC is fine for most users.

[@EricLS]

So, my boot drive is a Samsung 850 Evo 500GB, I've had it since April 2016. Now I'm certainly not a heavy data transfer person by any measure, but this thing has 5855 hours on it, 1539 power on cycles, and......15 TBW. So, apparently I have another 70 years to reach the paltry 150 TBW it was rated for. I get the feeling SATA III support will be gone long before then.

[@craigneidel]

Yep.. you got it. For 90 percent of users they won't wear most of these drives in let alone out. Most people just don't write that much data.

[@danteerskine7678]

​@@craigneidelas a regular consumer, I have to agree with it. I barely write to my SSD and use it for reading purpose. Ssd write cycles are limited but SSD read cycles is clearly non existent as reading doesn't impact the drive itself. I have a TLC based micro SD card made in China (silicon power class 4 micro SD 32gb card) that I bought in 2012 and after over a decade of program/ erase I did on it, it still works well but due to its class 4 certification, it's slow but I had to amit, that Chinese products have gained in quality

[@craigneidel]

Yes, you can get some nice Chinese drives but you just need to be a bit careful and do the research. Thanks for the post.

[@jujus_reviews]

Might get 1 to store media! Thank you

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for watching

[@usmannaeem]

So what about life in terms of read. I would like to basically create a emergency response first aid storage disk that contains all our important docs, photos etc.

[@craigneidel]

Read are basically unlimited as it's the writes that degrade disk. Obviously there is electronics in there too that might fail but unlikely.

[@kleddit6400]

Does the endurance rate of the SSD really matter for long term “cold storage”? (Only reading/writing a few times per year) Would you have any recommendations for that type of storage, SSD vs HDD? Thanks for the vid👍

[@craigneidel]

For really long term storage most will recommend an HDD. The SSDs used to have more issues over long term but they are really getting better and should last many long years now. So that gap is becoming less of an issue. But you can get large HDD (like 16 TB) for cheap now so for that type of stuff, if you can wait for it to copy, that is not a bad choice.

[@kleddit6400]

@@craigneidel thank you for the reply. I wonder if the read/write speed is the only advantage for SSDs if the storage is going to remain on a desk 99.9% of the time. And I suppose both SSDs and HDDs should be replaced every 5-7 years anyway..

[@ImTheBoss914]

this is my use case currently (storing raw photos + video for long term storage) so i wouldn’t write to the drives frequently, however in the case i need the video i would like it to be faster by using SSD to retrieve the files as opposed to HDD. One question I have tho, i heard some HDD have NAS specific features ? not sure if this is true and if its worth it?

[@davidlguerr]

I can't recommend the Crucial BX500 drives, they do not have enough endurance and will start getting slow quickly.

[@craigneidel]

I use them for backups and stuff like that and they do perform good for me. But, there are faster drives out there for sure.

[@davidlguerr]

@@craigneidel The problem is as they lose health they will get slower and slower. I had one domestic customer with 1 year of usage and 50% of health was already gone.

[@craigneidel]

All SSDs will get a little slower when they fill up but I'll test this one again.

[@davidlguerr]

@@craigneidel In the case of the BX500 gets slower even with 40% capacity used.

[@craigneidel]

Ok, I am not seeing that but sometimes there can be issues with certain drives for sure.

[@Mack_Dingo]

Kingston kc3000 2tb has 1.6PB tbw Sabrent Rocket pci4 2tb has 3.6PB tbw

[@craigneidel]

Nice stats.

[@alex_smallet]

Great video, thank you for this explanation. I wonder, if I use an ssd for backup, I guess I may never reach that write limit. However what’s the probability that I will lose my data? How can I estimate this?

[@craigneidel]

I would not worry about it and also make sure you backup to 2 devices as that is the key to backups. Then it would not matter but the write cycles are so large that I would not worry too much.

[@fieryd2215]

is DRAM a essential feature for the life span of a ssd? is a ssd without dram bad or are there other important features besides dram?

[@craigneidel]

I used a Samsung QLC as a boot drive and edited 700 4K videos off it. So it really depends on what you are using it for and even if you do some hard work on it the newest drives are very good.

[@srkrishnan1989]

Windows 11 do more tbw per day, with flutter developement, it consumes 30-50 tbw per day

[@craigneidel]

@@srkrishnan1989 not sure what you mean

[@LinusBerglund]

I just bought a micron pro 5300 for about $25 more than the equally sized (1tb) samsung evo. It has 4 times the TBW.

[@craigneidel]

Nice and good luck with everything.

[@SirDadbod]

My sandisk Kingston and pny have lasted as long as my Samsung evos and pro...my wd black nvme issues after a year or 2 Although faster...I'm switching back to Samsung pny Kingston ssd 2.5...

[@craigneidel]

Yes, all drives can have issues for sure even Samsung. I would use what you are the most comfortable with.

[@joeglennaz]

A firm believer and just pay a little more and get something quality whenever I go against that I always regret it. I don’t care if I’m buying carpeting tile, electronics anything I always buy the quality stuff and you won’t be disappointed later. But the little longer for 10 I’d rather wait another month or two and then get something quality in rush out and buy a piece of junk

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for watching. With some things that is the way to go for sure. With others it's sometimes fun to just try the tech. But with my main computer and backup drives yes for sure.

[@joeglennaz]

I like your videos and the way you tester for us and also just joking stuff because a true review as you said, takes a lot of time and effort Sometimes it’s fun just to see a new product as you said a showcase. It’s OK if we don’t have a full review right away. I really like that little envy in the dock with the fan for 39 bucks I think I’m gonna buy that. I’ll use your link.

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for the feedback on this and for watching. Good luck with everything.

[@hectorrodrig]

I was ignorant to this upon buying Samsung Evo 860 1TB SSD in 2017. Now I'm wishing I would've or could've done things differently to better prepare for SSD failure.

[@craigneidel]

I have a Samsung Evo as well and I would not be worried. I have booted Mac OS off this drive on my 27" 2017 iMac for 6 years now and use it as my main drive (external SSD I boot from). I have done 580 4K videos on this drive and so many TB of data transfer I can't even know and it's works fine. They perform way better than the estimated numbers most of the time especially with Samsung.

[@hectorrodrig]

@@craigneidel Mine doesn't boot up anymore so now I have to send it to a recovery company to get the data back or at least get it to some sort of working condition so that I can get the needed data out of it. I went to plug everything back in after moving and when I powered up the computer, it never booted up. There was no warning or anything, it just stopped working... 😢

[@craigneidel]

I guess that can happen from time to time but usually Samsung (even EVOs) are very solid and you may just of got a bad one.

[@RWROW]

What about the SSD drives that Apple put in their iMacs?

[@craigneidel]

Not much published info by Apple on those but they last a very long time.

[@xsantex9843]

Hi I have a question and i need your advice i came accros a SSD samsung 850 evo 500 gb and toshiba HDD 1To those are the only option i can purchase my main thing is to store in it (image,files,videos) so i can update my laptop to windows 10 and use it for office ( Excel, powerpoint) which one do you recomend for me and thank you

[@craigneidel]

It depends on so many things like what system you are using etc. It's hard for me to answer individual questions like this since I don't know all the facts of the system and context etc. but I would just look up online what you are trying to do and my guess is that somebody will post about it. Thanks for watching the channel.

[@JonMotivationalRend]

Nice one. Is there an easy way to tell the average amount of writes a day you produce on your pc?

[@craigneidel]

Not really but sometimes with disks like Samsung they have built in software to show you or you can use third party software like CrystalDisk to show you info about your drives. Other then that you would need to keep track of how much you copy to it but I wouldn't worry about it. These are just recommendations and they normally either fail quickly or last way past this value.

[@ronaldprovencher7570]

clone that ssd drive for that rainy day

[@craigneidel]

For sure.

[@Upsidedownfoodpyramid]

Do you know which brand does Mackbook Pro 16 M3 1TB SSD is?

[@craigneidel]

I'm not sure as it can change from time to time. I'll let you know if I can figure it out.

[@nholmes86]

sumsung ssd is no joke

[@craigneidel]

They are good SSDs for sure.

[@WolfKing1987]

wow, thank you so much for the info. This video really help me out a lot. but When he comes to the Samsung PM SSDs, can I put either one of those in my 2017 iMac?

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for the post and feedback on this.

[@craigneidel]

Yes Samsung should work and just make sure you get the correct size type of drive.

[@jmangames5562]

So the tbw only applies to writes, when you put something on the drive? What about games when playing them from the drive?

[@craigneidel]

After researching this it appears to just be writes and reads are not counted toward this number.

[@daniel01045]

I never thought about it until seeing this video, but now that I think about it, it's a no-brainer to pick one of these enterprise SSDs for Virtual machines and gaming (which are my two main usages). both consuming lots of space but need just that little speed bump over standard mechanical drives (which will go extinct soon, at least in the gaming industry). I mean games nowadays can be over 100GB, also I use 100GB for my VMs. I suspect it won't take long to kill a consumer SSD, with just installing new games and creating new VMs. but then again, I seen your latest video and it seems that consumer SSDs are also so cheap nowadays so it's not a big deal either.

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for watching. Yes, some of the enterprise SSDS are coming down and it's makes it an easier decision if you are writing or reading a ton of data.

[@gobravo123]

I already have 2 dead 4Tb SSD in a span of 2 years. So I don't think SSD is all too reliable.

[@craigneidel]

Are they the same brand. Sometimes there are bad batches etc. but they should be as reliable as spinning drives.

[@REGameFly]

Would it be easy to slot it in instead of a HDD in a NAS server? I assume. I preordered a Ugreen NAS.

[@craigneidel]

You should be able to put in 2.5" SSDs in the NAS and it should have instructions for mounting.

[@REGameFly]

@@craigneidel i just got confirmed that it’s possible elsewhere as well

[@craigneidel]

Ok, thanks.

[@abdalazeemal-mashaqba6600]

Best advice i can give is to go with 512 gb or 1 tb size cuz it max the durability there and the lowest cost for gb per cent. In all brands

[@craigneidel]

Maybe but there are some drives with higher TBW with lower GB counts. In the end going with a quality SSD usually is the best choice as most people won't ever come close to TBW and if they do the drives normally last much longer. Thanks for watching.

[@madarauchiha4298]

​@@craigneidelI have got to agree with you on this one. I have seen 400TBW on a 500GB western digital SSD but a lexar 500GB SSD has a 250TBW.

[@craigneidel]

Yes, they can differ quite a bit.

[@REGameFly]

Now the SSD prices have doubled...

[@craigneidel]

Yes, they have gone up quite a bit.

[@REGameFly]

@@craigneidel Do you think they’ll go down?

[@craigneidel]

They might go up a little more - maybe next year they could go down but not anytime soon.

[@ronaldprovencher7570]

they only have a life of about 7 years .. when they crash there gone ..

[@craigneidel]

Yes, always back up for sure.

[@Wlad1]

LoL, seven years only? My "oldest" are ~15 now. My "oldest in use" (Samsung 830 256GB) turned 12.

[@craigneidel]

Yes, they can last much longer for sure. That is only the recommended use.

[@AmbientTonez-fr4pw]

Your awesome

[@craigneidel]

Thanks for the nice words.

[@osingaaa4545]

samsung t7 1tb ssd vs crucial x6 1tb vs crucial MX500 500gb which should i pick if i want a longer lasting drive? and my use will only be for storing photos and videos

[@craigneidel]

I'm not sure they list the TBW on the pre-built drives. Samsung are usually built the best but you pay a little more.

[@smn_ebi]

Hi, i have 500gb ssd and it's not enough for gaming now I'm planning to add extra ssd .. will 500gb more be enough ? i almost play 3~4 online games like football and warzone .. beside that play AAA games offline ( means uninstall after finish that ) and is klevv cras c710 good ssd ? it's very cheap but it has half endurance compare to something like mp33 .. does it really matter in real world and worth to pay more ?

[@craigneidel]

I'm not familiar with that drive so can't comment on it. Also, just get the space you need for all your games. Right now space is inexpensive so it's better to get a bit more then be up against the edge on the drives because performance will go down if you fill 95% of the drive. Thanks for watching.

[@DjMakinetor]

PM893 (7,68TB) = 14 PETABYTE = 14000 TB (NOT 1400 !!!!!) = 14000000 GB !!! YES YES YES

[@craigneidel]

Way more space than anybody will ever need.

[@DjMakinetor]

The 7.68TB of this capacity has a PBW value of 14PB, which is impressive. SAMSUNG "Over Provisioning" MORE, AND MORE increases the life of the disk, but requires the use of empty space (this reduces the size of the disk)@@craigneidel

[@craigneidel]

Yes, but unless you know you need a 14 PBW for a specific reason, I would guess 99.5% of all consumer users would never use that in a lifetime. Also, these numbers can be way off and SSDs can go 2 or 5 times the TBW as I have seen in many cases.

[@syarifairlangga4608]

I bought this drive used from chinese. (SAMSUNG MZ7KM960HMJP) even tho its have very high TBW the write speed is terrible. i dont know about the NEW one because the price is too high

[@craigneidel]

Yeah, not sure about used drives but normally on the higher endurance datacenter drives they could have reduced speeds over the fasted SSDS. These are normally also 2.5" SATA.

[@syarifairlangga4608]

@@craigneidel yeah i think the reason write speed is slow because the controller make the data injected to Nand already Trimmed/Defraged even without OS trigger it.

[@chasewilltin8567]

Do you have a video for hdd

[@craigneidel]

I'm not sure what you are asking. Not on life expectancy on hdds

[@chasewilltin8567]

@@craigneidel I was asking if there were better hdd like your ssd video. I think I'm good now, I choose the exos x20 20tb.

[@craigneidel]

Ok, and good luck. Thanks.

[@puttemacguff7666]

Warning! Music in this video is Extremely High! Don't use headphones :D

[@craigneidel]

Never heard that before but OK.

[@Matthew-j3b]

My ssd is five years old it only lost 10% life Just got new ssd cause my hhd was failing

[@craigneidel]

They can have issues but majority will last quite a long time

[@craigneidel]

Both can fail but overall SSDs and even HDD have become better over the years. I worked at a datacenter for 25 years so know a bit about how things changed over the years and today most are pretty good.

[@Matthew-j3b]

@@craigneidel could took job at Boeing Cause division was sold to them I would had take pay cut

[@craigneidel]

Ok, thanks for the update.

[@MrBumlicker]

They are a lot cheaper on Ebay, amazon is way over priced 👎

[@craigneidel]

I was talking about life expectancy and you should buy them where you can get the best deal. That will change depending on model etc.

[@johnjakson444]

I have around 30 SSDs in my collection. I'm starting to lose track of the deceased, Microcenter Inland brand is the worst, 2 of 3 250GB NVMe's dead, 3 of 10 128GB Sata dead , 2 of 3 480GB Sata dead, recently 1 intel 1TB just died, 1 TB Sata Kingston dead. And to add to to it all, 1 2018 intel mini Mac dead. STuff is dying faster than its being replaced. Not sure but I think Windows 7 is much faster than Window 10 when it comes to writing SSDs with huge variation in file sizes. Win 10 is more concerned about animating and investigating each file during copy, it often writes at far below 1MB/s then comes back to 20,50 MB/s. I don't feel at all impressed anymore with PCs and storage.

[@craigneidel]

I have had the exact opposite experience with Inland SSDs and have 4 of them with no failures. I guess it depends what you are doing with them but having that many fail is unusual even with the least expensive brands.

[@hrpreetdhaliwal]

Crucial is shit, dont waste your money.

[@craigneidel]

I have used quite a few and they worked fine. But some are better then others for sure.

[@rookiebird9382]

600 TBW on 1T capacity gives only 600 life cycles🥲

[@craigneidel]

Yes, but considering if you copy 10 GB of data to the drive per day it would last 16 years and if you copy 20 GB of data per day over 8 years until it even reaches the limit and in most cases it would last much longer as this is only a number they list for warranty. Most people will never see that and in 8 years you won't be using this drive much on a daily basis.