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[@theclaverman]

This is actually the first video I´ve found by someone actually showing practical use and real world examples of workflow for this controlsurface. Very good. I might buy one

[@TheSteveKinney]

Right on mate, I appreciate hearing that. Sometimes, walkthroughs can be dense.. but I tried 😆 Legitimately, I’ve had tons of controllers, there is nothing like this out there. The combination of the UF8/UF1/UC1 - it’s truly like a modern mini ssl console that you can program your most important shortcuts.

[@DueseWayne]

I absolutely love Luna! And that setup and workflow is dope as hell!!! Very impressive!!! I would follow every detail exactly the way you explained it!!!

[@TheSteveKinney]

The UF8 & UF1 really rocks with Luna

[@KCHADE]

Wow @thestevekinney great job! i was in the midst of setting up my new UF8 with Luna and feeling very overwhelmed. Then I watched all 3 of your SSL UF8 videos and by the time i finished the third i now feel very submerged in the SSL ecosphere and quite condident on how to run my controller. Thanks for that!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Wooot! Right on mate! There isn’t anything like it at the moment. Best controllers out there. The softube stuff is close… but close doesn’t win the race! I just put a new one out too - on the addition of the SSL 360 mixer update and why it’s cool.

[@THREE-WISE-MONKEYS]

Template works great on both devices! snap on/off and grid++ are a life saver! cheers

[@TheSteveKinney]

I know! I actually have really come to love having them so conveniently located as I’m working through everything.

[@olidee9117]

That is an amazingly functional template. The best I have checked out so far, because it keeps you to the workflow. Really, really useful and well thought. Keep in mind for german users (in my case) , there might be some slightly other shortcuts inside Luna. In this case: Shortcut for "Snap on/off" is "shift+option+7" otherwise it won't work. And for creating new markers make sure, your number keypad pad to the right side of the larger Mac keyboard is "on/activated". All the other pre-setted commands work perfectly. Thank you so much, Steve. Very useful stuff.

[@TheSteveKinney]

Badass! For those other keyboard shortcuts, is that because of the different language? Keyboard layout is different altogether kind of thing? Or is that something UA would have coded? I’m trying to understand if I’d need to make an entirely separate file or if there is a way to keep it one size fits all. Thanks so much for sharing!

[@olidee9117]

Can't really tell. Of course we are using different letter arrangements on the keyboard. But I am not sure, if this is the point. UA has not come up or is really trying to do different language shortcuts. Why should they since it is all in English anyway. The shortcut for Snap on/off is originally: "shift \". The Backslash is not on the German keyboard in the first place, that is, why we have to check for the "shortcut inside the shortcut", that is shift+option+7 in oder to get the backslash. If you are intending to deliver further updates or enhancements, extensions to that template let me check for you in advance, if you want to be on the safe side. @@TheSteveKinney

[@stephenedmonds2863]

Downloaded the template - thank you!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Cheers mate!

[@srwaite7]

Good stuff, Steve! Always a pleasure, sir! 🖖🏻

[@TheSteveKinney]

Cheers mate! Thanks for stopping by!

[@bobbyarthur8809]

Yep you did your home work , gonna give your flow a go !

[@TheSteveKinney]

Fun fact - there will be an SSL 360 update on October 10th. I’ll end up having to do another update. 😅 It shouldn’t change too much, but it will be adding better plugin control.

[@terryknight8864]

Hands down the best video I have watched on the SSL Control surfaces. I have the same setup but your workflow makes this even more of a killer combo. Great job!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Woot! I love these controllers. Hopefully SSL announces some epic stuff soon with more new updates, the sky is the limit for these things. I really like the integration with the new ssl branded channel strips and how they can control the Daw parameters. It’s wild lol 😆 But thanks! A bit of thought went into creating the whole flow. I’ll be working on improving it.

[@TheSteveKinney]

If you could kindly let SSL and sweetwater know whatcha think - that would be great lol

[@Fuegoat]

Let's Go Giants! Love the jersey.

[@TheSteveKinney]

Hell yeah!! Let’s go G-Men!! I think this year will surprise a lot of people.

[@Fuegoat]

I hope so, I’m slowly loosing faith

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@Fuegoat never lose faith. Once a giant. Always giant. You are a giant. Let’s go!

[@ronb4274]

Birds locked down the NFC East for years....... and we've got a pretty good running back.... wink wink.

[@CodyMWI]

Thank you for sharing your workflow

[@TheSteveKinney]

I've got good news and bad news.

[@CodyMWI]

Do tell…..?!?!

[@techniciendushowbiz]

Bravo ! et merci... Café + Téléchargement

[@anthonyandrew6725]

Excellent video

[@TheSteveKinney]

Cheers mate!

[@teashea1]

some nice ideas

[@TheSteveKinney]

Thanks mate! UF1 and UF8 are the best controllers out there at the moment. Nothing comes close! Cheers!

[@QualifiedSoundStudios]

Very nice. Thanks, I’ll try this on my UF8s. Cheers.

[@TheSteveKinney]

Right on! Keep in mind, that some of the mapping requires the UF1, as it was built for that. You could probably remap the same stuff on the UF1 to the other UF8 That would feel good.

[@QualifiedSoundStudios]

@@TheSteveKinney thanks. I’ll be added the uf1 very shortly anyways. So thanks for the templates! Great idea.

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@QualifiedSoundStudios awesome! Shameless plug, kindly, if you’re ordering from SW, please consider using one of my affiliate links to take you to sweetwater. It will really help me pop up on their radar, which means I can make more videos like this, reviewing new gear when it comes out etc. Either way, glad you’ve found this helpful and cheers mate!

[@les_g_808]

Outstanding video! I hope you can show us you working on an actual project in Luna using the UF1 & UF8

[@TheSteveKinney]

Cheers thanks mate! A ton of stuff I work on is commercial, so I don’t really have the authority to bring the projects onto the channel. That’s why you literally never see me bring up stuff haha I want to, but it’s a pain in the ass dealing with copywrite strikes and getting the channel green listed from the artists publisher.

[@echomusic]

Have just started using Luna from Cubase and so happy with it.Have also just bought the UF1 and UF8 after seeing your tutorials. Thank you Steve for your amazing explanation on the workflow and have downloaded your template which has been so helpful. Do you know when you will be doing your updated video for UF1 UF8? thanks again, Mick

[@TheSteveKinney]

Hey there! Thanks for the kind words. I have a few on my channel at the moment. Be sure to check them out if you haven’t seen them. Additionally, rumor is that there is another update coming at namm this year. Cheers, Steve

[@zakaroonetwork777]

Joe Namath? The Legend.

[@TheSteveKinney]

Haha 😆 color grade makes my giants jersey look a bit green.

[@KunchangLeeMusic]

Thanks looking for info on this

[@TheSteveKinney]

Right on, happy to answer any questions you have on the UF1 & UF8. Reallyyyy rocks with Luna. Makes the whole thing feel like an analogue system / console for sure. I'm probably gonna dive more into the SSL based plugins to check out the 360 mixer more. Pretty neat.

[@tristanrenemusic]

sweet bro

[@TheSteveKinney]

Cheers mate!

[@codywrightmusic]

This video is amazing! Love the workflow grind and all the work your putting in. However could you render your videos in a 2.35 aspect ratio resolution so you can get rid of the black bars at the top and bottom when not in full screen? There are some pretty handy aspect ratio resolution calculators. 1080p because like 1920 x 816 or something like that. But your content is so amazing!!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Yo Cody! Thanks so much for this! I’ve actually gotten this request about the aspect ratio once before, I did give it a go, but YT penalizes you for doing so - at least at the time they did. Basically, they didn’t allow you to have ending cards, and recommendation videos etc through out the video. But that was probably about a year ago. I’ll check on my next video during upload if they now allow alternative aspect ratios, I would prefer it myself. Little bonus tip, you should be able to fully zoom in and out if you’re watching on iPhone, I film and upload in 4K - so resolution holds up nicely. Cheers Cody!

[@jonfisher3288]

Great video Steve, thank you for your hard work and sharing. I am migrating from Abelton to Luna with a complete SSL package, UC1,UF1, and 2 UF8's, I am a hands on old school old guy.I still struggle to keep my hands off the mouse/track ball and the idea of controllers with all the layers, its allot for me to wrap my head around.I spent 1 day in the studio with Luna and the SSL hardware and I feel like I'm further ahead then where I was after nearly 10 years of Abelton.Where would you suggest a person migrating starts?

[@TheSteveKinney]

Hmmmm. I’d start by: 1. Understanding the signal flow of the mixer, and the tools inside it. It’s straight forward, but important. 2. Know your device modes, like ARM mode, core audio or Apollo mode. 3. Learn the shortcuts that make the most sense for your workflow.

[@grid-station]

Steve..these templates are great and very useful for Luna's workflow. With my UF8 + UF1 setup, I am tripping up during your NEW GROUPS section with the ability to select multiple tracks using the UF8. I can only select 1 track at time using the SEL buttons. What am I missing here?

[@TheSteveKinney]

When creating a new group, you have to have all of the tracks you want in the group highlighted first. Then hit the new group button. To select multiple tracks at once, hold shift and select the first track and while holding shift select the last track. Toggle groups on and off to be able to select individual tracks.

[@mikewolfe9458]

Loving your template here, Steve! (And the mix templates I purchased as well.) Any chance you’ll port this over to Logic? I’d happily pay for it. I still have to use both DAWs.

[@TheSteveKinney]

Potentially - I just don’t know that other users would buy it if I made it an actual product. I’d like to keep it free as well - I’d have to stew on it.

[@user-or3ce4gt2r]

Top video 🎉

[@TheSteveKinney]

Thanks mate!

[@user-or3ce4gt2r]

@@TheSteveKinneydo you have as well templates for Logic Pro ?

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@user-or3ce4gt2r hey mate, I reallyyyyy don’t like working in logic, only ever do if I absolutely need to - so - short answer, nope. Nothing customized for it. If I’m in it, I’m just using the default setting. Cheers!

[@MrTupeloFlash]

Steve, i record mainly guitars, can i programme UF1 to use the punch in / out function in Luna ? Utilizing pre & post roll ….

[@TheSteveKinney]

Yes, you should be able to. The pre roll toggle is “latching” so whatever your session is opened on is where the toggle will start, so if the toggle is on and hit the command, it turns off. If you happen to click it on and hit the button, it will turn off etc. So - essentially, you’d create a macro. A command that toggles pre roll and then also play / stop / rec All at the same time. Very powerful.

[@zanza_the_rewolverine]

The meter function work good with Luna? Thanks

[@TheSteveKinney]

Yup!

[@JonKinney]

@TheSteveKinney - I very recently picked up the UF8 and UF1 combo and I'm loving your template and workflow in MCU mode for LUNA. Today I just started exploring what the 360 plug-in mixer mode looks and feels like and I'm a bit confused. You mentioned that you have Layer 3 mapped to 360 enabled channel strip plugin control, but how/when do you use that versus your MCU mode? For example, I don't see a way to initiate a bus spill from within plug-in mixer mode. I also don't see a way to toggle anything about the LUNA GUI in that mode (timeline vs mixer, for example). It seems like the plug-in mixer mode is for a very specific part of doing a mix, and not just an alternative for "better" general DAW control (even though they now have the daw/plug-in mode button). What am I missing? Or rather, how and when do you use MCU vs Plug-In Mixer mode, yourself? Thanks!

[@TheSteveKinney]

That layer three plug-in mixer is specific to solid-state logic’s line of plug-ins… It’s also known as the SSL 360 mixer. The use case is if you put the SSL 4K-B Plug-in across all your channels inside of your project. You didn’t have a deep parameter control across both the UF8 and UF1. Outside of that situation I stay on the original MCU layer. Hopefully that clarifies it a bit. Cheers.

[@JonKinney]

@@TheSteveKinney yep, that all makes sense, and I knew you had to have a 360 enabled channel strip on each channel to use the 360 mixer. But what I didn't quite understand is that folks seem to tout the 360 mixer as a viable alternative to MCU control with added benefits like track color, longer track names, etc. But really those benefits are still "capped" inside of any work that pertains to the channel strip processing capabilities, right? Very recently you get some more optional DAW control (faders, pan, sends), but I think much / most of my work in LUNA would still be in MCU mode (showing different LUNA views, comping, markers, bus spill, automation). Especially while composing/recording. It'd be great if they could have a more lightweight plugin without the channel strip capabilities that was just more of a daw control glue layer for the hardware controllers so we could get the track colors, longer names, or other enhancements that MCU can't offer without needing to have the actual SSL signal processing (channel strip) on every channel.

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@JonKinney 10000%. I think a lot of this falls on LUNA dev team to implement pass thru information that SSL 360 can “see” It’s a limitation of a few things at once.

[@GaryClaggett]

Very comprehensive video on how to use the UF1 and UF8 together. I will probably pick up the UF1 and I love using Luna as my main DAW. I am wondering just how you would setup the UF1 with Luna if you didn't have the UF8. I am guessing it would be somewhat different. i. e. the four Luna workflows would be mapped to the four softkeys of the UF1 instead of the UF8. Maybe a good idea for another video and template?????

[@TheSteveKinney]

Yeah! Probably not a bad idea. I think I’d see definitely keep that comping section. I’d probably try to incorporate most of what’s going on with the UF8. Some of the fancier commands, like consolidating clips, exports, saving etc - love that I can map it, but it’s not a total necessity for control, just a major perk of having both. Maybe I’ll take ya up on that one! Whenever you do decide on UF1, kindly, if you could consider using one of my affiliate links to take ya to sweetwater. That’s what’s gonna help me pop up on their radar to keep doing sponsored videos where I can look at the latest gear and give you guys this kind of take on whatever it might be. Great idea! And thanks for sharing - I definitely will take ya up on it. Might take a week or so with my current schedule. Cheers!

[@GaryClaggett]

I am guessing that you have updated Luna to 1.4.8 and know about the plugin control for the UF8 that was just announced by Drew in the UA Forum. That certainly could be a game changer for folks like me that were on the fence about the UF8. My question for you is after you have had a chance to see Drew's video what would be your thoughts on how the new capability could/would affect your template. I do recall you indicating the template would be evolving.@@TheSteveKinney

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@GaryClaggett that same plug-in control is available on the UF1 as well. So at that point, you’d want to choose the one that is gonna work best for you, budget, how you work etc. I really enjoyed the simplicity of a single fader controller when I was working with it. Having the 8 makes me wanna get another 8 and another 8 😅... They are superb device! And yes. I already updated my plugin button mapping this morning! Turns out - I had a perfect spot for it - it’s the one that I was gonna change in the video. Ended up just updating it and leaving the name. Pretty fun! My preset should be updated too.

[@GaryClaggett]

You are all over it! Great job! Hopefully, SSL will do a nice discount on the UF1 in the fourth quarter and I can pick it up and grab your new template for just the UF1 when you have had time to build it. Thanks so much for your very quick responses! @@TheSteveKinney

[@GaryClaggett]

Steve, Did you get a chance to work on the video for the UF1? I expect there will be a number of new options available since the SSL 1.6 update was released!

[@jonfisher3288]

Ok, so we now have a UA strip pluggin and a SSL strip plugin. Do you go with the company that makes the surface controller or the company that created the DAW? I'm torn and have no idea which direction as my studio has both UA Apollo hardware and the SSL UC1,UF1,and 2 UF8's.Any input is greatly appreciated

[@TheSteveKinney]

The new 4K B from ssl has some serious advantages. Especially if you use the UF8 with Luna. I find myself reaching for that one more often lately. However, if I need a mic pre while tracking, unison is still the way I’d go.

[@jonfisher3288]

Hi Steve, happy Thanksgiving! I get it and agree, ill save the money being is I have the 4k plug-in and the SSL compressor, both seem to be getting the job done.@@TheSteveKinney

[@ronharristodayistheday6764]

Yes ..In the 360 software I can load in UF8 , but when I click on UF1 tab the is no load tab…

[@TheSteveKinney]

Hey there! Yeah - it’s definitely there. But it’s hidden with a drop down arrow on the left side.

[@mullethillsound]

Awesome video Steve! Super helpful. Question: if I only have the UF1, is your UF1 template for LUNA worth using, or only if I also have the UF8? Thx…I’ll use your affiliate link to purchase my UF1 as a thx for these vids!

[@TheSteveKinney]

I’m gonna push out a UF1 only version of the preset before the end of the month. There won’t be TON of difference between it and the current preset, but there will be some slight changes to the soft keys up top. Cheers mate! And Thanks, that really helps me stand out with SW which will allow me to do videos on new gear as it comes out.

[@mullethillsound]

Rad! Thank you@@TheSteveKinney I suspect I will love it and will ultimately get the UF8 as well, but the two together are too pricey for me at the moment. I'm very keen on using the UF1 to control plugins (mostly UAD plugins). The focus mode for plugin control is nice, but wondering if the other 4 vpots can be configured for plugin control. I have RA and the keyboard/trackpad use is murdering my hands and wrists!

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@mullethillsound yeah - those 4 v-pots map to plugin control. It’s fun for dialing in compression on 1176 or la-2a and destressors and stuff like that. Eq still feels a bit unnatural. I do still dig the channel encoder for fast control.

[@mullethillsound]

@@TheSteveKinney Fantastic. I'll place my UF1 order soon via your affiliate link, and I'll probably want to pay for a 1:1 session or two to go over that, and some stuff in LUNA that i suspect I'm doing the hard or dumb way. :)

[@bvrbvs]

Thx for good video Can you Automate parameters other than volume with the UF1 fader? I couldn't find a way. It only automated Volume

[@TheSteveKinney]

Yeah. A ton of stuff can be mapped to the v-pots now. And using flip fader, you can control those parameters on the fader too.

[@bvrbvs]

ah brilliant! i was able to get to the PLUGIN soft key section, and map a specific parameter to one of the small VPOT (not sure how the system choses which vpot to map it to(, but when i press the 'Flip" button, it changes the fader to a Gain control. any guidance on how to 'move' the VPOT to the fader?@@TheSteveKinney

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@bvrbvs use the flip key.

[@andreasroman342]

Great video. I won't be able to get both, but I'm a Luna user and am thinking of getting just the UF1, which would then be my main controller. If I'd go for just one controller, would you say the UF1 is the one? It's this or the Console 1 I'm eyeing right now.

[@TheSteveKinney]

Right on! I’m not too high on the console 1, simply because it doesn’t really control anything natively - however. Literally as of this morning a new one came out! Looks fancy. So maybe that has better integration with Luna. If it’s me - I’m still going to rock a UF1. I had an icon platform nano for years, and I really enjoyed having some sort of fader control plus the automation. I found that more useful than what console 1 offered - which IMO is just “fun”. Again - the new one might change that. But the UF1 also giving you those meter functions and custom key command really gives you a workflow that can be custom programmed to how you work - which after having many controllers over the years - really makes the biggest difference. Hopefully this helps ya! Cheers!

[@andreasroman342]

@@TheSteveKinney so that's like such a great answer, if there was a Hall of Fame for great answers, you'd be in it. I'm getting the UF1. Case closed. Thanks, man. Cause you _are_ the man.

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@andreasroman342 ha ha yooo. When do I get my gold jacket! #hof Appreciate ya mate! Consider using one of my affiliate links to take you to sweetwater if you are ordering from there. That’s gonna put me on their radar to be able to keep doing reviews with them on the latest gear. Either way, thanks for stopping by the channel, cheers!

[@andreasroman342]

@@TheSteveKinney You bet. If they ship to Sweden, I'm in.

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@andreasroman342 hmmm 🤔 not sure, but I think that would be way too costly either way! Do your thing and enjoy creating music, I appreciate the support!

[@michaelkerlin7564]

Nice job....you lost me at Giants though....🦅

[@TheSteveKinney]

Ha ha! That’s funny, I was wondering when someone would call it out. Been a giants fan my whole life, there’s pictures of me when I was about 5 wearing giants jerseys. I even remember the Dave Brown days. Just figured I’d share more personality on the channel ha 😅 loyal fan, even when they are playing like trash! Those eagles though... they sure are flying high at the moment. Dang! Cheers mate!

[@ronharristodayistheday6764]

Awsome Video! Loading Preset for UF8 no problem, There is no profile available under UF1, anyone else have this issue?

[@TheSteveKinney]

I have two templates on the web store. One just for the UF8 And then one that is for the UF1 AND the UF8. Did you get the correct one?

[@denley321]

Hi Steve,Is the UC1 in the near future?

[@TheSteveKinney]

🤔hmmmm. I wonder. I’m running out of desk space. 😅 but I think it wouldn’t be a bad idea.

[@genedaniels2962]

I am curious about how this gear will work with UAD SSL 4000 series console bundle. I have my eye on both!

[@TheSteveKinney]

Well - it would work like a normal MCU daw control. The fancy control is actually via the SSL line of plugins. Via SSL 360 - that’s where it’s fun. Then the workflow mimics having an out of the box console because it’s kind of outside of your DAW’s mixer.

[@bobbyarthur8809]

But we’ll you might as well add a uc 1 as it’s just so nice itself and with 360

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@bobbyarthur8809 something tells me they will open up the UC1 to use with other plugins, if they do - I’m 100% sold on the uc1.

[@bobbyarthur8809]

@@TheSteveKinney I imagine for plug ins the new console one mk3 will be the tool for that but I’m super happy to have the UC 1 as my always ssl on every strip as that’s a tried and true work flow if you came up in a big analog studio and I’m so much happier since I put it in place , at least as a creator writer that engineers himself these days … ps loaded your templates that was easy and a great logical re think and new starting place .. ssl should offer them and a few others perhaps as a kick start .. not that I didn’t have them set up it’s just you put some time into a logical flow !

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@bobbyarthur8809 would love to partner with SSL! Let them know. I have a ton of logical feedback. I reached out a few times, but it always helps hearing from someone else. I just wanna make things better. 😅

[@Mr609]

anybody get the uf8 template to work? i'm not seeing the edited luna quick keys and soft keys etc, only what looks like the defaults.

[@TheSteveKinney]

Which template did you download? The stand alone UF8 or the UF1 + UF8?

[@Mr609]

both actually. first the bundle. then i tried the stand alone (v3.0). @@TheSteveKinney

[@Mr609]

Yep, just re-downloaded both sets and quick keys STILL show mixer view, spill main bus, and solo (clear)@@TheSteveKinney . templates aren't working for me over here...

[@TheSteveKinney]

@@Mr609 DM me a message on instagram... I've just went into my Shopify store and confirmed that the downloads are in fact downloading the correct files - so something is going wrong here. I'll help you get up and running though if you reach out to me on instagram. @thestevekinney

[@Harrysound]

Giants cost me £850 win on a £1 bet last night because they can't kick a darn field goal and then do the worst pass interference I've ever seen with a practise squad guy!! uuuurgh!!! Nice SSL gear though

[@TheSteveKinney]

Ha ha 😅 for real. Killing me. Grown up a fan since 1990 and I’ve had a lot of ups and downs.. mostly downs haha 😂 SSL keeps winning though.