St George | The Man Behind The Myth

[@KarenBergan]

So this is the best of TRIH: When Tom can run a single narrative through the mill of 2000 years of history, and show us how said historical/mythical figure arrives so chipper and cheery on our doorsteps today here in 2024. And Dominic weaves into Tom’s lecture a very funny undercurrent of modern pragmatism, bringing the whole enterprise up a notch. I wish Americans wouldn’t be so serious about our historiography all the time, and take a page out of Tom and Dom’s hugely entertaining playbook.

[@fernandogarcia3957]

That's because they didn't go further back in time to the Indoeuropean common myths of the rider shepherd rescuing the cattle from the beast, present in most old tales of this family of languages. And then famously in the story of Sigurd Dragonslayer in the Nibelungiad saga in Burgundy around 5th century.

[@sw6155]

12:29 aha! Finally! Yes! Greek from Capadócia… 🤷‍♀️🤨

[@wirtification]

Whenever I hear or see something about St. George, 1st I remember my Greek grandfather and his saints name day and the medal he wore of St. George and all the saints icons of St. George in their house. Then I remember a short story I read that I haven't been able to find again, about a knight named George, who heard about a "dragon" menacing a small village, in ancient or medieval Brittan ( it's been 30 years since I read it, so it is a sketchy memory on the time period in the story). He goes to see this monster and ends up battling what turned out to be a massive crocodile (dragon)... It just stuck in my mind because I loved my ancient and medieval history classes in high school and college and of course, being Greek, learning about the saints in Sunday School and about the Greek gods and myths, taugh to me by my Poulie himself. Enjoyed this podcast!

[@wirtification]

That's it! I believe the short story was influenced by the dragon sighting in the 1300s.

[@Happyheretic2308]

Have you seen the pictures of the cattle-eating crocodile in Australia? Definite dragon contender ...

[@wardafournello]

Άγιος Γεώργιος , Άγιος = dedicated to the gods, holy + Γεώργιος = Cultivator . Saint George (280 - April 23, 303) was a Greek soldier in the Roman army. His father was Gerontius and his mother Polychronia. He came from Cappadocia and served as an army officer under Emperor Diocletian.

[@frasegfunk9790]

Turkey didnt exist back then, once the Ottoman empire expanded into that region Turkey was formed. St George was a Cappadocian Greek.

[@apmoy70]

His father was a Cappadocian Greek, his mother was probably from Lydda in Palestine (present-day Lod)...and no, that doesn't make her "Arab-Roman" 🙄

[@willx9352]

And many of their descendants continued to live there until they were violently expelled from their traditional homelands in the 1920s, with the final purge, from Istanbul, in 1955.

[@wolfgangwalk337]

How to tell that you didn't even listen for 12 minutes without telling you didn't even listen for 12 minutes.

[@lukemartin7542]

I suggest watching longer than 5 mins before commenting, they do address this...

[@willx9352]

@@lukemartin7542 They do, but why be provocative in the first place. It is even worse, that as historians, they would know of the history of the total destruction wrought by the Turkish invaders on Christianity within Turkish borders, so that now only a minuscule population of Christians remains. This is not ancient history - a half a million Christians were driven from Istanbul as recently as 1955.

[@vanmars5718]

Yes Saint George was a Cappadonian Greek, from a group of people still living in Cappadonia in central anatolia until the 1922. Why some groups in the English speaking world have labelled him this "Turkish" term is only because these groups of academics told the English folk "look our patron Saint was Turkish, a middle eastern, a brown, an oriental" etc that was the trop behind this "Turkish" label...a product of the recent years of the rise of the antagonism (racial, migration etc) relationships btw the different communities living in the English speaking world. So having a Greek Saint as patron wasn't "good enough" (cause Greek equal european in that sense)... The problem with all that is not why the English academia chooses to revision history in order to make their whole "inclusive" ideology more solid but that the fact that the English academia is actually listened worldwide and through English which is the international language their own trops reach and influence all other people. They are reckless and totally unjustified. This is not the 19th century anymore English Academia, you can't do this right now...its a criminal behaviour.

[@fernandogarcia3957]

Kapadokia. Not Capadonia.

[@iliasmastoris529]

Another aspect to this is that the name George in Greek means "farmer". So St George was the everyman hero.

[@KimMarsh-c4n]

C.f Farmer George of Ham by Tolkien another Farmer/ Dragonslayer.

[@creativecolours2022]

He was of a gentile descent a Patrician or Greek aristocrat so George was probably his family name and not his birth name. And that is the reason why he had the right to serve in the praetorian guard of the Roman Emperor. Praetorian guards were the bodyguards of the Roman emperors. High ranked special military force.

[@AZ-vg6li]

St George…a Turkish soldier..??.This man set a new record high in historic retroactive revisionism.Besides where on earth did he find this information,he had to repeat it as well.Obviously not a serious professional,he could have reviewed and corrected .Now this channel is on my…turkey list😊

[@brussoni]

I am always so excited to see that you guys have posted a new segment. You guys could talk about any historical topic and make it so interesting, your personalities contrast each other very well, always a delight to watch! Greetings from Florida!

[@the_watcher_abc]

Turkish St. George? Bahahah. He is trolling for comments. He seriously can’t be that ignorant of European & early Christian history.

[@jessicarowley9631]

This was very interesting, as with so many "historical" figures from this period we know very little to nothing about them, even if they definitely existed quite often. Even so, the effect someone can have on history is something else!

[@416dl]

Whether we're talking about national saints or other identities that baffle us today, I think it would all be easier to comprehend if we were to understand that in history nations weren't as important as it was that a people were part of Christendom regardless of what language your neighbor or your king spoke.

[@sigurdholbarki8268]

Good comment 👍

[@dsjwhite]

He was quoting!

[@joek600]

not needed

[@Nero200]

@@dsjwhite why even use such an inaccurate and misleading quote to begin with.. and why take a further 10 minutes before even correcting it. It’s a stupid thing left wing people say every St George’s Day, that he’s Turkish, it’s tiresome.

[@teagunn]

This was very interesting and engaging! Thank you!

[@MisterFluffyBags]

Turkish? Anyone who claims St. George was Turkish is either utterly ignorant of history or being deliberately disingenuous. St. George died long before Turkey even existed. He was Cappodocian. We have to ask why Alice Roberts would say he was Turkish.

[@PL-ds5jn]

I was very disappointed to see them repeat this nonsense

[@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump]

Is this a deliberately smug and unhelpful comment? I'm going to assume your right, and that I'm ignorant, but as a novice student of history, it seems yo me people have been calling many groups turks well before the foundation of Turkey. I'm not saying your wrong, but that your comment is a text book example of unhelpful elitism. I'm not even MORE informed after reading. At least a SHORT explanation as to why it's wrong seems necessary.

[@akaking7499]

​@mycaleb8 you do not understand how utterly foolish this is. I understand not knowing or making an honest mistake, but if you know so little about the ssubject as to call saint George Turkish you should not say anything. Turkey is a modern state created from Ottoman empire which conquered roman province if Cappadocia, where saint George was from. Turks conquered and took over George's homeland. This is very insulting to Greeks, Georgians and other Orthodox Christians who were repressed by the same conquerers that took our dear saints home.

[@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump]

@@akaking7499 Okay, so it sounds like I have you far too much credit. It sounds like you're chauvenistic

[@MisterFluffyBags]

Ah, it seems we have another stupid troll. Don't feed the trolls, people.

[@unbabunga229]

Turkey didn’t exist for nearly 2000 years when St George was around, it didn’t even have Turkish people or their proto culture there for for those 2000 years

[@rdreidmehrabi]

Keep listening! They clarify he’s Greek!

[@howard4linda]

Strikes me that the difference in mythology between Greek and Christian is that the dragon changes from being a general monster of chaos, of which there were many, to an archetype of Christ defeating Satan. This was is the story played put with the crucifixion. Hero (Christ) defeats dragon (sin/death/satan) with self sacrificial high risk strategy which leads to a universal liberation. I know less about the symbolism of Greek myths, but they seem to lead to heroes becoming glorious and maybe God like, but not leading to universal liberation/freedom from tyranny.

[@sigurdholbarki8268]

I don't think it's an either or in Christianity, especially before the "enlightenment". The way I've heard symbolism defined by Eastern Orthodox Christians is that you've got two or more rivers, each with their own attributes: One wide, one narrow; one deep, one shallow; one flows fast, the other slow However, they both have the same underlying pattern and where they come together is described as a symbol (it literally means thrown or coming together), and whilst the retain something of their source they enhance and amplify the traits they share in common. The Nativity scene is my favourite example. The infant Christ is the seed and also the Word, lying in a manger. The manger is Noah's ark (which protected the seed during the flood), and also the Ark of Covenant which contained the Word of God. However, at the same time Mary is also both Arks because she too contained the seed/word. In addition the manger is a trough for animals to feed from, and also present in the scene is an ox (clean, the Jews) and an ass (unclean, us Gentiles), both of whom will consume the flesh of the Bread of Heaven (which is shout-out to the wandering in the desert).

[@TamuniaK]

Part of the reason why St. George became so popular in Georgia is bcs Georgia already had similar characters: Jgrag and "white George" - associated with the moon, often weather, sometimes hunt (also dragon hunt), etc., so it was easy to adopt a saint that was so close in nature (and geographically, too). And you are right, the name "Georgia" comes from ancient Persian (Gurgan=country of wolves), but in Georgian language it is called Sakartvelo :)

[@kaloarepo288]

St George was also the patron saint of the Republic of Genoa - a state that had an extensive empire that reached as far as the Crimea and the Sea of Azov. The chief financial institution in the city was the bank of St George which is credited with giving this city state its financial stability. It was actually the template for the creation of similar central banks like the Bank of England and is cited by such writers as David Hume and Macaulay. Genoese archers were also employed all over the western world and were famously involved in such battles as Crecy and Agincourt being mercenaries for the French.

[@kaloarepo288]

Sorry they were not at Agincourt but definitely at Crecy and in the Crusades. Their crossbows were rendered ineffective at Crecy because of the rain but the opposing British bowmen were able to protect their weapons from the rain.

[@inigoromon1937]

And arches are much faster when you want to create a shower of arrows. Cross bows may be more potent and precise, but no match for an army of long arches

[@merbynicholash.e.mezitismd8571]

To call St George a 'Turk' casts serious doubts on the author's scholarship.

[@andrewmcdonald6059]

Bob Marley as St George on the album cover for Confrontation, his 13th and last studio album, released two years after he passed on. The myth transcends and inspires and lives on ...

[@EmmanuelMahlis]

I don’t think they were turks in that area of the world until the 11th century A.D. were invading and conquering The person called Saint George was of Helene origin and Greek speaking. Is there anyway you can correct this error in your presentation

[@maryhook9478]

Turkey and the Turks did not exist in 3rd Century AD

[@drstrangelove4998]

Quite!

[@fionamcmurdo5959]

Thank you Really enjoyed the chat. St George & the Zodiac Sumerian/Babylonian Soldier = Sagittarius Sagittarius = Centaur a war-like creature with the torso of a man and the body of a horse Ruling planet = Jupiter Element = Fire = Dragon Keyword = “Idealise” European Royal Bloodlines = The Order of the Dragon (Fire) English George = 57 • 12 = Houses of Zodiac Greek Spelling George = 133 • 7 = spiritual or mysterious ‘God Force’ Ancient Greek = 385 • 16 • 7 = ‘God Force’ Modern Greek = 455 • 14 = 2 x 7 Georgios in Greek gematria = 1191 • 12 3rd Century BC 3 = Jupiter = Thursday = Thor day

[@ceilingsintheireyes6288]

Tom saying that something isn’t true and Dom being dismayed has become this podcast’s catchphrase 😂

[@jimb9063]

Thank you gents. Interesting to note that disbelief in Dragons coincided rather nicely with the introduction of Dragoons. We never get rid of the lump in the cushion, it pops up elsewhere seemingly, humanist or not. Glad the bones of St Cuthbert of Trumpton Fire Brigade were finally returned to their box for eternity, it's what Captain Flack would have wanted. Didn't notice the link between Dom and Queen Mary until now, but I'm not sure Calais is worth the bones of even one Archangel, let it go. My father was born on the 23rd of April, sharing his birthday with Shakespeare. Naturally he was called Dave. He did go red and cross on occasion if you voiced a lack of belief in Dragoons.

[@susannahcuff4895]

Does Dominic live in a bookshop?

[@AhmadFerry-iy8hw]

I hallucinate St George is a king. The king was named Zulkarnain. maybe he is fighting against dragons or humans in the sense of "humans acting like dragons" which will have a negative impact on humanity in the end times. the hole had been closed, the dragon's exit was not yet open. the dragon will descend heavily on the plateau. and everything he finds will be destroyed

[@miastupid7911]

DUDE!!!! REALLY? THERE WAS NO TURKEY. He was Greek just as his name. May Saint George forgive you. I'm finding hard to. And he is burried in Lydda, celebrated on 3 November as well. Lydda which was Palestine under the Romans. The Eastern Orthodox Christian Church still celebrate him on this day 3 November, beyond 23 April.

[@nk-gp1ml]

One can only wonder if there was some kind of inducement to describe St George as Turkish.

[@BrnSandalWood]

A very fascinating take on the the story of St. George and the Dragon. However, there was no mention of the "Golden Legend" - a kind of an embroidered compendium of the lives of the early saints written in the 13th century. It is here that most of the filigree and legends around St. George and many other saints were developed. Like most writers, the author of the book knew the mediaeval psyche which loved a good story and catered to it's romantic and superstitious mind. This popular book spawned many legends of the Early Christian martyrs and saints, including St. George, St. Christopher, St. Sabastian, St. Philomena, etc., to name a few. Unfortunately, today the book's embellishments are accepted as true. After all, as Napoleon cynically said, "...history is nothing but legend agreed upon." Some anthropologists think that the concept of a dragon is imbedded in the memories of the human DNA which 'remembers' the age of the Dinosaurs. From ancient times it features big in Chinese, Indian, and other ancient cultures. Humans have a built-in fear of them as they have a natural aversion to spiders. In the Bible, the dragon is seen as Satan as in the Book of Revelation ("the dragon with seven heads"). Subsequently in Christian literature, it became the symbol of the 'enemy' of any protagonist (individual or peoples). During the Crusades, Christianity was at war with Islam. This is when the genesis of St. George and the Dragon as a symbol of England gradually made its appearance in English literature. (By the mid fourteenth century, St. George represented Europe and the dragon, the Saracens.) In militant England the dragon became the symbol of the Welsh. In Puritan England and Calvinist Scotland, it symbolized Roman Catholicism. Today dragons are still with us everywhere especially in cultural wars: local, national, and international. In the world of passionate and polarized politics, the dragon is always the 'other' party. The above being said, I hope England will continue to keep the icon of St. George and the Dragon alive, because today in a world of global economy, the dragon symbolizes the presence of the dark forces of exploitation, corruption, and injustice. The world needs heroes like St. George - even in myth - to inspire us to victory over this evil. Thank you for your work..

[@GsGeorg]

In the 3rd century, there were no Turks present in the Levant, Asia minor, or Roman empire.

[@EmmanuelMahlis]

The Ottoman Empire stood on the shoulders of the concord Roman Empire rose up high adopting and supported by all the foundations left behind by the Roman Empire St. George was born in Lydia of ancient Anatolia We should try to preserve the historical facts so that we do not lose our connection to our ancestors

[@s.williamc.]

I bought Saint George’s shinbone on eBay. It was carved into a pencil box in the 18th century by a Jesuit in a Belgian monastery. I use it to store holy relics. It currently has the finger bone of St. Edna Vincent Millay in it.

[@johncollins211]

You just got some random person's body parts. You think some billionaire or museum wouldn't have bought it if it was real.

[@GoBlueGirl78]

😂😂😂

[@PH_1964]

😂

[@acm01864]

Edna St. Vincent Millay was a 20th century famous American author and not a church saint! 🤭

[@s.williamc.]

Church smurch I would describe her as one of the finest poets in American history. She IS a saint to me. Let me prove it, with her words from Sonnet XXX Love is not all: it is not meat nor drink Nor slumber nor a roof against the rain; Nor yet a floating spar to men that sink And rise and sink and rise and sink again; Love can not fill the thickened lung with breath, Nor clean the blood, nor set the fractured bone; Yet many a man is making friends with death Even as I speak, for lack of love alone. It well may be that in a difficult hour, Pinned down by pain and moaning for release, Or nagged by want past resolution’s power, I might be driven to sell your love for peace, Or trade the memory of this night for food. It well may be. I do not think I would.

[@jameskostrewa9861]

Awesome!!!

[@marcellacantoni8128]

people should listen to the whole thing before talking shit, you’re trying to give it to them but you’re the ones being handed back your arses. also, st george is huge in brasil, he’s the patron saint of corinthians, one of the biggest football teams in br and the world, and he’s been enshrined into brazilian popular music with the genius Jorge Ben Jor’s song Jorge da Capadócia. and yes, Jorge Ben is named after him 😂

[@jajeronymo]

About Saint George's ubiquitous patronage, he is the patron saint of Iheus, Bahia, founded in the early 16th century as Sao Jorge dos Ilheos to became the world's leading cocoa producer region where Robinson Crusoe may have spent some time after he left the island. Also, an early 20th century Ilheus is masterfully described by Jorge (George!) Amado in his romance Gabriela Spice and Cinnamon.

[@creativecolours2022]

Hi. Saint George wasn't a Turkish soldier because there were no Turks back in the day that he was born. He was a Roman soldier of Cappadocian Greek origin member of the Praetorian Guard of Roman emperor Diocletian. His name George comes from the Greek word georgos which means farmer/ cultivator so he was probably a member of the land gentry of the era, in other words a Patrician or a Greek Aristorcrat, which gave him the right to be in the Praetorian Guard. So the name George was probably his family name and not his birth name. The dragon story now, comes from the pagan traditions and I have no idea how that story was mixed up with the story of the Christian praetorian guard who martyred for his Christian faith. Whatever is the case Saint George is the patron saint of land military forces in Greek tradition so he is best known for his military achievements than the dragon slaying story.

[@WickedFelina]

In Revelations there are the 4 horsemen who bring the Apocalypse & death. Afterwards, the greatest superhero/knight superstar comes Christ who has merged with his eternal father w/white hair, skin glowing like bronze molten in a fiery kiln. The demons/Satan is thrown in the lake of fire. There is your classic King Arthur, his knights and St. George story.

[@Bob-d3c6h]

Hi from Canada! When are you coming to visit us?

[@sophiaterra-ziva7891]

What about the Thracian horseback god - The Thracian horseman (also "Thracian Rider" or "Thracian Heroes")?

[@steveouellette6551]

Numerous ancient intaglios of this guy-usually lancing a hag

[@nozrep]

i am new here, they mentioned a previous podcast about dragons at the beginning. Anyone care to point a fellow like me in the direction to which previous episode it was? thanks in advance!

[@billder2655]

episode 461 on spotify/wherever you get your podcasts

[@BasedHadrian]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqHHf2OElL2rh68si=9rbPbXzkZLQb-giH

[@EmilyTodicescu]

Dn. Nicholas Kotar’s article, “The Lives of the Saints” (Orthodox Arts Journal) is very illuminating, especially with regard to the more fantastical elements of such hagiography.

[@hhhhhh9792]

"St. George was real" is not a question, so you don't end that sentence in a question mark?

[@pluckinmageetar]

I believe they were quoting a post written a few years ago about their main topic when they opened up this segment. So of course the bored critics and dime-store, arm-chair historians will lose their collective shite if they only listen to the first 5 minutes. Follow these two for a few episode and youll know that they'll bring it all together in due time by the end.

[@EmmanuelMahlis]

He was not. Turkish soldier No Offense implied to the Turkish people It is all about historical facts

[@PH_1964]

I love this double act 😂❤

[@RaniVeluNachar-kx4lu]

Famous Martyrs, we need our external Heroes, don't we? But it's not anything more than a Fable? It's us looking outward for answers. The Truth is within.

[@nozrep]

if we are going to venerate soldier saints who are not our Savior Christ, I think we ought to venerate the centurion in the Bible who viewed Christ’s crucifixion and said He is the Son of God, or, the other centurion who asked Jesus to only say the word and his servant word be healed. Those are the best solder saints, with empirical documentation in the Bible too.

[@matthewhansen2126]

You’re talking about St.Longinus

[@suburbanbanshee]

St. Longinus and St. Cornelius are pretty big name saints.

[@nikbear]

Is that the one who sounded like John Wayne? 😂

[@matthewhansen2126]

@@nikbear wow exactly. “The Greatest Story Ever Told” 1965. Goofy moment

[@michaelgrabner8977]

To call St George "turkish soldier" in the intro makes me cringe extremely The first Turks arrived in the Levante more than 800 years after St. George´s lifetime in the 11th century ( = at first the Seljuks in 1071 short after followed by the Turkmen who took over from the Seljuks and then shortly after got defeated by the Ottomans). St. George was an "Eastern Roman soldier" for god´s sake born in Cappadocia around 280 aD which was Roman soil for over 2 centuries/almost 3 centuries since Emperor Tiberius took over the whole Levante including Cappadocia in 14 aD and that´s it, not more and not less and definitively not "turkish"... It would be even way more likely to suppose that he was actually of Greek descent according to the history of that region because Cappadocia was over 300 years under Greek influence (= part of the Diadochi kingdom Pontos and before that part of the Seleucid Empire) before the Romans took over and the Romans integrated the Greek population and didn´t wipe them out for replacing them.. My point is there were no Turks far and wide at St George´s lifetime and also not before his lifetime and not for the next following almost 800 years...So why on earth has someone the idea to call him "turkish soldier" because that makes no sense at all not to say it is "simply fundamentally wrong to do so".

[@Zifferony]

This is yet another old episode you've uploaded again and made it look as though it's a fresh episode isn't it?🤔 When you re-post old episodes to make them look like you have just recorded them it would be more honest if you informed the viewer that you are doing so. The more you do this and the more viewers realise this, the more your faithful viewers may lose heart and stop clicking your newly uploaded episodes. At least be up front with it.😒

[@michaelbedford8017]

Seems odd that he bacame a 'dragonslayer' AFTER he became a martyr? Surely, being dead might have cramped his style in the dragonslaying game.

[@nozrep]

not odd at all viewed through the socalled prism of myth and legend. I mean, you do know what a myth and a legend is, yes?

[@EmmanuelMahlis]

Türkiye did not exist until 14th century Would you say that this is misinformation and a confusing piece of non-historical fact?

[@kaloarepo288]

The details are a little fuzzy in my mind but I once heard that the earliest iteration of the St George and the dragon story occurs in the Hurrian civilization of north eastern Asia Minor (Turkey) and involves a hero who kills a monster and then takes the eyes of the dragon out and puts it somewhere. In Sicily even today there are reenactments of the St George and the dragon story and the same detail concerning the placement of the eyes of the dragon is enacted -exactly in line with the original Hurrian myth showing the connection between the Christian version of the story and the original "pagan" story.

[@LODOWICKMUGGLETON]

So! Claiming that dragons don't exist, without a shred of evidence! What next? A special Xmas edition for children claiming, again with no evidence, that Santa Clause doesn't exist?

[@richardyates7280]

There would probably have been a number of martyred convert soldiers/officials around that time

[@charlespeterwatson9051]

Irish comedian Andrew Maxwell told the American radio show The Opie and Anthony Show that St. George was completely made up. His explanation to how that came about was too comedically flimsy to be true.

[@ALavin-en1kr]

St. Patrick for Ireland; St. Andrew for Scotland; St. George for England. and St. David for Wales. St. Andrew is also one of the patron Saints of Russia. Just before the fall of Communism I dreamed that St. Andrew’s grave was being dug up. I did not know then that he was one of their patron saints.

[@billpet4602]

Georgios & Demetrios, similar stories, two major early Christian martyrs

[@markwrede8878]

George, slayer of the dragon, has the same name as Horus, defeater of Set. Was the Egyptian prototype real?

[@sophrapsune]

St George simply was not “Turkish”. Turkey is named for an ethnic group, the Turks, and St George was not a Turk nor was he “Turkish”.

[@derekmcmanus8615]

Was the dragon real too...🤔

[@sw6155]

5:14 they REALLY don’t seem to have picked up on the Turkish man idiocy! 😱 Sheesh… 🤦‍♀️😩

[@KONSTANTINOS.NIKOLAOU]

"Geo" means earth in Greek eg Geo-graphy and "orgos" means plough also in Greek. Georgos is the farmer i.e. the one who ploughs the earth.

[@dualsportdadz]

I think the main thing we have learned, is that if you want great engagement in the comments, start the video with a triggering Twitter quote.

[@maf74]

Very poor from Tom. The George Cross is not named after St George. Maybe the Victoria Cross is named after a St Victoria? Poor form for a historian.

[@flowermeerkat6827]

The medallion has a picture of St George and the dragon.

[@Tinyflypie]

​@flowermeerkat6827 it was king George 6th who created the St George award for gallantry

[@rocketpod1]

Lol why are we calling him a Turkish soldier

[@AlexandrosRoumpidis]

Turkish soldier????!!!! For a history channel, this is too big a mistake.

[@Nahrin_Assyrian]

St George with the dragon The most important saint in our church,The Church Of The East or Assyrian Church of the east

[@seanoconnor8843]

Reformation?? More like demolition

[@sw6155]

2:29 Calling his Turkish is the first important clue that book is likely not reliable source… I can understand and look past Josephus talking about Christ like he’s just another guy b/c he at least made an effort to be accurate. This lady is right off the bet calling him Turkish, that is such inaccurate nonsense, makes it hard to even continue watching if y’all don’t correct that… I’m rather disappointed to see such historical inaccuracy right from the start… Let’s keep watching and see where this goes…

[@marchuvfulz]

George, the people's Saint.

[@LS-xs7sg]

They don’t hate St George. It is England they sneer at

[@st.george007]

Is it fair to say he was Turkish, as Turkiyie did not exist at that point in history. Was he not from Lydda?

[@razisn]

Not only a state called Turkey did not exist but it took a few hundred more years for any Turkic people to reach the region..

[@stevo728822]

Several images of St George killing the dragon in the art gallery in Valencia.

[@georgiansandc2476]

wtf is turkish roman? there was no Turkey back then you should know that

[@ahmaddafit45]

Saint George is real but the dragon is fake

[@rebusak47]

St Michael and god seem a little sadistic or is it just me?

[@Tinyflypie]

No. It's me too

[@Charlz1980tv]

This is crap- Saint George wasnt a Turk. The first Turk in Asia Minor appeared only 7 centuries after his death. Alice Roberts is not an historian.

[@daveglynn748]

You got it wrong from the very start! There was no such place as Turkey🙈 in ancient history

[@nozrep]

15:10; so, basically, George was zombie🤙

[@R08Tam]

He wrote most of them

[@EmmanuelMahlis]

The credibility of your presentation of St. George has been diminished by not respecting the true historical land of Anatolia

[@househistorian]

Anatolian maybe, but Turkish? No.

[@PL-ds5jn]

Greek

[@Nero200]

Why start with a quote saying he is Turkish, when you both know full well and will have to go on to explain he is 100% Not Turkish. The only thing that is Woke is this podcast, pair of regime historians. You probably both would have adapted very well to life in the Soviet Union.

[@Wee_Langside]

Just to check how many people listened for more than 2 minutes before commenting?

[@veronicalogotheti1162]

All these saints are base in greekmythology

[@MrHazz111]

For those whose brains have been poisoned by Instagram reels and tik tok and can't listen to a podcast for more than 5 minutes, I suggest you don't bother.

[@nozrep]

i bothered. but because my brain is polluted by those things I had to keep on rewinding it over and over to relisten again. And to snipe more comments in the thread. A beautiful thing! This technology where we can rewind things and relisten to them again! 🎉🎉🎉 And so we must bother because we encourage bothering despite the downfalls of some modern technologies. Don’t you agree? Bothering is good, for to learn more even whilst rewinding and, relistening ad infinitum.

[@johnhaynes9910]

In a recent episode you questioned the existence of Helen of Troy, now you question St George and the Dragon you two are hell bent on destroying myths. What led you two to become historical vandals I ask ? Another great episode :)

[@leshazell6050]

Tom and Dom the magnificent myth slayers! There's a tv project waiting to be made about this!

[@johnhaynes9910]

@@leshazell6050 Please don't encourage them :)

[@mickeymouse1697]

Turks are the only thing that never existed in the 3rd century

[@nozrep]

in America, we spell mythologized with a zed☺️; credit Daniel Webster the early American philologist.

[@leshazell6050]

But you still can't pronounce Aluminium properly 😂

[@matthewhansen2126]

Daniel Webster was a political figure. Noah Webster compiled the dictionary, with spelling reforms of his own. They have stuck, and like all spelling reforms, don’t help.

[@gelisgeo1309]

12:17 12:22 st George of Course was Greek not Turk .. they make it clear

[@ΑναστασιαΟικονομου-φ3θ]

Turkish!?!?! Very funny

[@Ammeeeeeeer]

The comments section is filled with frothing in the mouth incels complaining about "He's not Turkish!!!" Sigh...its like watching Bronies debating their favourite My Little Pony. Pathetic 🤣

[@gthomashart3926]

Laughter does no service to the topic of this discourse.🙄

[@funfff]

Georgios was a cappadocian Greek enlisted in the Roman Army

[@st0rmrider]

Turkish?

[@veronicalogotheti1162]

The red cross The templarios

[@sigurdholbarki8268]

A whale is a sea monster

[@R08Tam]

As an atheist I found this hilarious

[@nozrep]

if you are a Christian and you are venerating a saint over and above the veneration of Jesus Christ our Savior, then you are not a Christian, you are regressed to just another pagan idol worshipper. Same thing with the Virgin Mary. If you are venerating or honoring any saint over the Lordship of Jesus Christ, that’s just more idolatry just as the Apostle Paul wrote on in his letters to the early churches. That being said, I think the cross of St. George and all that knighthood stuff is so cool!! I think it is so cool even as an American who despises all royalty.

[@mickeymouse1697]

Thanks to clowns we now have a Black Cleopatra , Black Achilles , Gay Alexander and now a Turkish SAINT GEORGE , Wake else are these clowns going to destroy?

[@inigoromon1937]

Only a clown would not understand that Capadocia in those times was a Roman town of greek culture. That said, the turks shafted the Bizantines so what? Take It easy and leave racism out.

[@lefterisorphanides5276]

​@@inigoromon1937how come this ignorant man presents this type of podcasts especially related to history

[@nicolemaddison2945]

All about marketing, isn't it.

[@veronicalogotheti1162]

Is drako Goat in greek