Stake Your Claim - A deep dive into Land Claims & Base Building in Star Citizen

Today we're taking a deep dive into all of the announced mechanics around Land Claiming, Ownership and Building in Star Citizen. The information is highly dispersed after years in the pipeline so I've done my best to bring it all together - check out below for links to all of the sources I used and let me know if there are any gems I've missed!
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0:00 - Intro
2:52 - Land Claims
6:31 - Land Values
8:10 - What can you build?
11:19 - What ships are important?
14:41 - What can you do with land?
18:47 - My opinions
23:06 - Outro

[@MooneShadow]

I just want a nice home, some power 🔋, a sealed garden to farm, a landing storage room garage, water moisture collector... and a nice view.

[@LoudGuns]

Sounds awesome, I’m really hoping that over time we see more of this sort of thing. Just casually flying down a nice valley and spot someone’s holiday home by the lake :D

[@flackerism]

Also a refinery building too.

[@ohyeah2816]

@@LoudGuns kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYeopmVudp5kq6s but I have in my mind something with graphics.

[@mrspikeus1]

Be careful of those Tusken raiders :P

[@user-qd6jt9sd3h]

Don't forget the pod racing track

[@sgtkat69]

It is very interesting that we humans crave exploration so much that when we cannot do it IRL, we makes games to do it.

[@LoudGuns]

For sure! I hate to admit but I spent a lot of time in Red Dead 2 immediately after lockdown in 2020 just enjoying the great outdoors!

[@Adulto357]

Yeah well playing games costs a whole lot less then travel irl, also there isn't really anywhere a normal person can stake their claim anymore, or at least cheaply.

[@JuneBugJoe]

@@Adulto357 true and true. then again there are places you can. Ive spent some good years traveling around and ended up in southern oregon at one point miles in the Siskiyou forest gold mining on land that I claimed through the state. south fork #3 was 40 acres up near lightning gulch and Wicked Nuggets was 120 acres of canyon creek. ive mapped out places through google earth with geographical mineral topo maps, im pretty certain no one has ever set foot there before, although would need a small nimble heli and funding to get there & prospect. so deep in the forest no ones has staked a claim there in historical records. has similar vibes when going out there on the claim as it is in game, just way more risk & expenses. There are definitely regulations as to what you can do but you'd be surprised what you can accomplish if you're resourceful and somewhat creative. this is a bit of a secret though and that area of southern oregon's a hidden gem so don't tell anyone.

[@Nitrox_909]

Well rl doesn't has bugs

[@foxamongdeli6745]

Wow. I didn’t have a clue that this gameloop was being remotely consider and has got me massive excited. Great video raising a tonne of though provoking points. Thank you! I’d love to see more videos of this or similar format in the future

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers Fox! Yeah there’s a whole bunch of info buried in older videos that a lot of us kind of know, but I think it’s useful to throw it all together in to something under the half hour mark!

[@briangeorgebowes]

These ships come with land claims so there will be a dedicated spot in the verse that is absolutely yours and yours alone.

[@riaanaucamp1472]

This will be so amazing once it's a thing. Just wish I would still be alive when it finally does make it to the game. Ahh I hope my grandkids enjoy playing this.

[@50bag98]

I know right lol sucks aye hate saying but so true lol

[@user-lg8in8kn3x]

ETA 5 years according to a recent interview with somone from CIG

[@riaanaucamp1472]

@@user-lg8in8kn3x O that's wonderful. To know that the game will still be in development in 5 years. Makes me even more depressed.

[@derek8376]

2035, Star Citizen Alpha needs to be rewritten because computer monitors don't exist anymore and it's not compatible with our neural implants. Who wants to back a BMM 2.0?

[@kennyknapp5531]

@@user-lg8in8kn3x it was 5 years 11 years ago when I started with SC. They will never finish the game.

[@mattp1337]

My only real experience with land in MMOs is Star Wars Galaxies. That game did a lot of things right. First and foremost relevant to settlement was that the main distinguishing feature of a successful town was a variety of reliable vendors and services, and this invariably required active resident players in that community every day. Players will cross vast distances if they know there's an active community at the end of the journey. At the other end of the scale, mere bedroom communities were hellacious suburban wastelands, and players would actively steer clear of them. Moral of the story: it's time and effort invested in a community that makes it a desirable and important place, not money or promotion or information.

[@LoudGuns]

Those are really good points. I’m hoping that when we can do it, being open and welcoming to people looking to settle in our city is going to set us apart! A bit like settlements in the real world right - as cities scale you can get the costs of goods and services down and provide better employment and business opportunities. Of course some folks like living in villages and there’s upsides to the quiet life!

[@RevTemerity]

My memories of SWG (pre-CU) is not wholly difference from Matt but not completely aligned either. The "towns" developed, usually, around guilds on Intrepid. The nature of guilds is they come and go based on a kind of critical mass, so towns were rarely durable for any real length of time. People lose interest and move on to the next game. The elite crafters (like Acme's armor) could have existing out in the middle of nowhere and you would go there simply to find the "meta" armor. Same with the weapons manufacturer (whose name escapes me). You usually had contacts whose supplies, while not meta, were good enough without paying elite stock prices. I bought in bulk. I ran a cantina with a friend on the bloody edge of the Krayt graveyard on Tatooine supplying buffs to those venturing out to hunt pearls. The "town" I lived in was completely ad hoc. People were drawn there for the Krayts. It was way more durable a town as I remember than my guild "town" because it was a convenient jumping off spot to chase down the elusive pearls Jedi's used for their lightsabers (and Krayt scales for armor/weapons IIRC). Thus, the bigger the universe, I wonder how durable a town will actually be. It, like normal real estate, was more a matter of location, location, location. Organization was a plus but not a "must have." For me, a supplier of raw material in SWG, my "farm" moved to where the best quality stuff was to be found. Find a good spot, plop down your harvesters, check them later on the week to keep them powered up, then SWG's version of quantum moved raw material points and you had to go find it all over again. The "home" was where I stored my stuff. I had two. There was the "cantina" and one was in the scenic middle of nowhere on Rori because I simply liked the view best of all there. It took me months to find it. So that marker in SC? I suspect one will just be a spot I find where I can "farm" the best I can find. When that runs out, I move on to the next plot of land. Another will simply be my permanent home and, depending on the game, having a "town" around it may or may not be mandatory.

[@LoudGuns]

@@RevTemerity that’s really cool dude! Personally I think if you want to build a city it’s got to come down to something bigger than resources. I think I’d aim to make it a strategic spot - trade lanes and jump points will matter more than raw mats. If you can then focus enough critical mass of crafters even better. Finally I feel culture and architecture will be important - with all of the tech we have nowadays people could live and work anywhere but they are still drawn to metropolis’ like London and NYC. Outposts will almost certainly rise and fall on the back of booms and busts. I actually really look forward to seeing little outposts fall into disrepair- maybe ultimately providing salvagers with good work cleaning up.

[@mattp1337]

@@RevTemerity Ah, the joy of relocating fleets of harvesters with every week's resource shift. I had a fleet of about 50 large harvesters, most of which were entrusted to employees who would earn a fee for every move and a share of the take. Having so many meant I always had resources in bulk and my vendors were always well stocked, with discounts for bulk. I like to think that kept people coming to our remote corner of Dantooine. That and our cantina was usually staffed, and we had a half dozen other vendors (including my droids). Two main guilds (1 covert rebel, 1 openly imperial) made up most of our town, and we did regular group hunts and missions, plus light roleplay. I think we were on Sunrunner, but it was a long time ago. I take you point about being near a major draw like Krayt hunting grounds. It's hard to say what will be the equivalent in Star Citizen, but having reliable services (fuel, repair, ammo, general goods) in proximity to well-traveled wormholes has gotta be a reasonable formula for a moderately successful settlement.

[@RevTemerity]

@@mattp1337 Dantooine... Wasn't that where the Nightsisters were? My "house" by the graveyard had all sorts of stuff I looted of those tough ol' boots adorning the walls :) This side-thread had me to look at SWGEmu and how they were doing. LOL.

[@samisuhonen9815]

I really hope they let people build stuff with all varieties of tools, with just efficiency and speed as a difference. What I mean is that you could build a room, a turret, a piece of furniture, a tool, utility, generators, all sort of stuff, but different tools make different things and at different speeds. For example you could have: 1. Hand held crafting tool, put materials into a backpack and sort of 3D print the object you want. It would take a reeeeeally long time to make an entire room this way, constantly requiring refills to your material storage. But it would be really handy just for making some quick wiring from your generator, to your life support device, or just quickly making a single small turret, or perhaps furniture inside rooms where you can't drive a vehicle into. 2. A land based small rover about the size of a ROC, but instead of mining ore into storage, it would 3D print buildings from materials in the storage. Should work the same way as the hand held tool, just faster, more cumbersome, and with larger storage. This is sort of the bare minimum for building an actual outpost, but would be accessible to a fairly new player with only a cutlass and the vehicle. 3. A small ship, would work kind of in the same way as the land vehicle, but with the same difference than the ROC and Prospector have. You wouldn't be able to make small delicate things like wires and buttons, but it would be much more effective at making buildings. Also the land vehicle would have a hard time building up to make a second floor, but the ship could do this. 4. The capital ship base building monster. It's a floating factory with purpose built tools to pump out bases in record time. And it's not only the speed of building, but this would be usable for the front lines of battle or urgent operations. You could pre-build a supply depot, a command center, a field hospital, or garage, and you only need to touch down for a couple of minutes to lay the buildings down. If you CBA to build your own base, you could also just pay a player or NPC crew to build and deliver it to you. If they make this gameplay accessible for all, by making a vast variety of different tools you can use to build, ranging from hand held small tools, to a huge capital ship base factory... that's so much gameplay that people would love. Like I'd be so down to just make my main solo-gameplay loop around making some sort of automated farm on some moon or planet. I'd see what materials I need for the buildings and devices, and I'd travel through planets and space stations, mining or trading for the materials. And eventually I'd have like some sick farm that's automated and pumping out some crops into storage, so I could make it sort of my own daily/weekly quest to take and sell it. And I'd build cool SAM site turrets and gatling turrets to protect my land from pirates and raiders. Edit: I love the point about planetary shields. It would indeed be a good idea to let players craft different varieties of planetary shields that protect their bases from bombs or gunships while they're gone. Biggest shields being able to sustain hits from nukes and MOABs, or even weapons the size of the Irdis railgun. This would have two nice effects. First of all, it makes griefing a bit harder, with more risk of getting caught by the navy or the owner's defensive structures. A single loser with no friends can't just drop a huge bomb from orbit and leave with some sick satisfaction. And secondly, it would make PvP sieges in contested planets far more exciting. Ground attack teams would be necessary to get through the shield without wasting huge effort in continuous bombardment which may or may not overwhelm the shield. Infantry special forces would be an amazing tool to sabotage shields undetected. But on the subject of griefing. I'd say in addition to big shields you can build and the navy coming in to help once your base sends an automated distress call, insurance could play a part. Let us buy insurance that sees NPC base builders show up to repair or rebuild your base and deliver you replacement items for the ones recorded to be stored there. As well as a small cash compensation if your base was generating income while it was up and running. This would make gameplay sense to truly make the secure imperial systems secure. But it would also make lore sense because the empire's insurance is supposed to be the navy which is so propagandized to be worth all the tax credits. And if it failed to protect your settlement, it is only in the empire's best interest to rebuild your shit ASAP and give you a friendly pat on the back like "sorry we were super busy with other stuff, hope this compensates your loss and makes you stay as a nice tax paying citizen who votes for more navy funding! xoxo"

[@Brian-WolfmanJack99]

I havent seen anyone else talk in depth about this. Thank you and I cant wait to see what organizations can build with this.

[@Libertas_P77]

I really cannot wait for the Pioneer to arrive. I would imagine for industrial orgs, one or two of those will be a precious commodity in-demand from a huge number of players and other orgs too. (This video is so good I ended up watching it again 10mths on!)

[@gabrielsalviano6793]

Great video, dude. I can only imagine how much work you need to put these together. Great job, and thank you so much. :)

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers Gabriel - it got a lot quicker when I worked out that I could still keep up at 2x playback speed :D

[@jon-erikkarlsson8277]

Well put together. Looking forward to be able to have a house in the wild.

[@LoudGuns]

Log cabin life for the win! Just need them to bring in a fishing mini game :D

[@KickstandOptional]

Dude. You hit the nail on the head with the idea that more valuable land (and thus resources) should be in more dangerous space. This is a thing I've been thinking about since they started talking about 4.0

[@wizardsmokey]

Great info! I just hope we get land claims and player bases sooner rather than later. Would be HUGE boost to the game.

[@mistersolace265]

I got my land claim with the Pioneer. Can't wait to put it to use!

[@LoudGuns]

I hate to admit it but one is definitely on my shopping list!

[@3dVisualist]

Fantastic overview of a huge subject - thank you!

[@LoudGuns]

Thanks mate! It was a lot of fun to put together!

[@WarriorTech_FTW]

I just want a cabin in a warmer area of micro tech, the summery spots are beautiful

[@LoudGuns]

We just need a fishing mini game and my life will be complete :D

[@ShaighJosephson]

My concern is that CIG is pursuing modular compartment construction which will severely limit player creativity... I'm hoping that they realize this and go to part-based construction like NMS which allows endless player creativity in base building...

[@Libertas_P77]

Great video, I learned a huge amount I wasn't aware of about SC plans, and would love to see further deep dives of this nature.

[@LoudGuns]

Thanks David! It’s surprising how much info lies in the archives :D

[@j_farlander4170]

I can not wait until these types of mechanics are implemented in game.

[@LoudGuns]

It may be a way off still, but I too am incredibly glad it’s intended.

[@almondbutter9634]

Personally, I want to buy a plot of land to build a huge racetrack on I think it would be very cool to see an org turn a desolate planet into a huge trading hub, or a metropolis. The devs could also create traveling merchants that choose to buy a shop and set up their wares signing a contract. This could be a source of income for the org too.

[@ducktape4502]

Right thats what im excited for. Player ran planets. Contracting its own law enforcement, builders etc. i love how you wont be tied to doing npc mission star citizen you can actually sell services like irl.

[@Sweber1983]

This is one of the mechanics I’m most excited about. I Can’t wait to claim a small homestead in the verse.

[@MadcapActivityDomain]

Thanks LG. As a newer resident of the “verse this served as a fine basic primer on CIG’s intentions regarding land ownership. Cheers!

[@TexSweden]

Great video! I just want my own place near a nice view where I can park my ships, work on them (as its supposed to be diagetic) storage of all my stuff would please me immensely. I think one thing that is missing from their presentations is a ground based shield generator...seems like a no-brainer, if you can build one for a ship, why not on the ground or for that matter the cities like area18 where you need to protect against bad drivers (instead of no-fly zones).

[@50bag98]

BRO!!!!! BEST VIDEO IVE SEEN ABOUT STAR CITIZEN!!!!! ABSOLUTELY GREAT!!! I've been waiting for base building videos for like 2 years this was perfect thank you bro please keep us updated alot of base builders need you👍👍👍👍subscribed brotherman easily 👍

[@Rotnoc473]

I hope the outposts that you can build operate somewhat like subnauticas base building. There is obvious limits in style and shapes that the base can take, but it’s also super customizable and expandable. There could also be multiple types/styles of habs, possibly from different vendors. There’s so much potential in this feature, and I hope it can be fully realized.

[@amegaplay3044]

I think base-building would be the most anticipated part of SC to me. Hope we will truly see this in our lifetime)

[@femboyskeleton9150]

Great video, will share, deserves more views, well researched, keep it up!

[@LoudGuns]

Thanks mate! Sharing the vids is one of the best drivers for growth so that helps me an awful lot - much appreciated!

[@hyltonian500]

Great video , new player really excited and really deserves the likes and subcribes brilliant Loud Guns!

[@runez03]

First video I watched of yours, and you earned my sub.

[@KodiakGaming]

I love the idea of having a a city on the edge of empire space, just this little community and a small spaceport. And guns lots and lots of AA and ground defenses.

[@LoudGuns]

I can’t wait to see a tiny little ranch with a nice porch…..surrounded by enough doomsday weapons to annihilate a planet!

[@KodiakGaming]

@@LoudGuns Sign out front that says Welcome to Texas.

[@MidnightWolfSDJ]

For me I want to talk about this from a different angle! I hope to one day see a planet inspired by Pandora from Avatar with lush glowy forests, beautiful waterfalls, cliffs, oceans, rivers etc. (if they included floating islands that’d be cool but might possibly break lore as I have no idea if a planet like this exists in SC Lore.) I would love to be able to claim land on a planet like this. Breathtaking views every time I log in in the homestead will be amazing!

[@ninefive0]

I joined the Frontier Consolidated community to do just this! 😊 Can’t wait!!!

[@LoudGuns]

Perfect! Yeah being able to build our own outpost and see it grow into a city is my biggest dream for SC at the moment!

[@ninefive0]

@@LoudGuns With our land claims combined, we will truly consolidate the frontier! Or at least a nice patch around a nice resource vein! lol I really hope they let us build out those spicy new structures they showed in the Pyro outpost demo with the Pioneer!

[@robertiny12345]

This is amazing mate, il check back in 6 years so we can get the first set of buggy buildings bought, then check in a following 2 years so I can actually use them

[@LoudGuns]

You’re fairly optimistic imo :D

[@stuffdexdoes223]

Great info, thanks loud!

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers mate!

[@bartislartfast7001]

Nice production o7

[@LoudGuns]

Thanks mate! o7

[@1796Sanctuary]

I am looking forward to this mechanic so much. A place within the verse to call your own.

[@LoudGuns]

Indeed - one of the things that got me super excited about SC!

[@Infinity-Citizen]

"Space escobar" hahaha Great vid, now fully awake thinking of all the potential and gameplay possibilities

[@LoudGuns]

Honestly one of my SC life goals is to become a drug baron!

[@Infinity-Citizen]

@@LoudGuns Well when you reach this SC life goal, send an invite 😁

[@jkb66]

I have to say I only heard rumors of this here and there, but never knew it was as big a part of the game as they’re planning it to be. To be honest, this is the part of SC I’m most excited for right now. Just the idea that I can have my own home and little area with my ships and stuff out on a planet/moon is awesome, and that’s just how I want to live in the ‘verse: at home, occasionally leaving to do some missions, then returning back, relaxing, and enjoying the views.

[@LoudGuns]

Yeah it might take a while to come in but it’s something I’m really looking forward to.

[@carlmathis3306]

Awesome video!

[@arenlarsen]

Great review with a lot of research.

[@LoudGuns]

Thanks Aren, thankfully I enjoy it :D

[@jqstar1786]

I’m so excited for the base building and the Pioneer!

[@LoudGuns]

It is an awesome looking ship I must say!

[@endrshdw]

Great video thanks loud!

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers Paul, hopefully not too dry!

[@masonstormer]

Well done, thanks for the video. If SWG could do it SC sure can.

[@vlogbebs8079]

i really appreciated your point about opening up land claims *after* SC has a full release. One way they could do it is if there was a staggered land sale. Like one planet at a time? That way it isn't an all-at-once event

[@LoudGuns]

Thanks mate. I do like the whole land rush thing, with the beauty of exploration etc tied into it. But I figure we could get a live release with say 20 systems. Give everyone 2-3 months then unlock the pioneer for people who pledged and in in game shops along with land claims. But then periodically release new systems so there’s always a chance to get in on new land opening up.

[@MidnightWolfSDJ]

We could then call the backers who get early access to land claims “Space Sooners”. (I live in Oklahoma so I know a decent bit about the history of land rushes (at least in the US) lol!

[@erasmuus]

great info. great content. thanks

[@LoudGuns]

Thanks mate, much appreciated!

[@Downloadguy1995]

Nice vid mate

[@laundrylurker3242]

I am interested to see how defense mechanisms could work, and how you could invite other players into your bases if a 'forcefield' becomes a thing. I think it would be a amazing to see players starting hospitals, trading outposts, gas stations, etc., but I am concerned about the greifers who would want to destroy the facilities. Maybe a solution is to file your plot as a public resource/comercial outpost so your base can be in an armistice zone, in return for increased taxes and upkeep. Anyways, thank you for creating this very informational video!

[@ducktape4502]

Yeah or you would develop ties with a 247 org to contract protection. Its actually daunting to think about the mechanics if there isnt any type of forcefield. But this gives me great visions of org ground battles.

[@clownshoe9980]

Can't wait. I wonder when we can hope to see this update.

[@Adulto357]

I know cig has plans for this for sure, I just hope it is very customizable. My dream spot would an asteroid mining base.

[@Jett_Heller]

Just wait till CIG adds rivers to capable moons/planets and then the amazing opportunity to find the ideal location for a "real" home in The Verse.

[@LoudGuns]

I’m just waiting for someone to have a Star Citizen real estate program like Grand Designs!

[@baconious1380]

You need a ship that can land and the main part of the ship can attach permanently to the ground as a starter base type settlement. Like detaching pods off of the caterpillar and making those the building at the sacrifice of your ship

[@ghunterh9827]

Absolutely brilliant video and a new subscriber here o7

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers Gaz!

[@Trillineatus]

More of this, subscribed

[@LoudGuns]

Much appreciated!

[@ph11p3540]

I would love to see like mined orgs provide different services and goods to each other and actually form towns and counties with clusters of land claims. Therefore, it will not be good enough to find a location with a cluster of ore motherlodes or verdant agricultural land. I want to see groups of orgs found thriving villages and town bases. I could not only be the guy with the Pioneer but the guy who comes back and fixes and repair infrastructure and ships.

[@johnmedeiros3445]

The best video I have seen for SC in regards to logically looking at a gameplay loop and really nailing every point. I hadn't contemplated selling completed construction projects to other orgs. I wanted to add an extra thought on upkeep costs...a residence on a foreign system would still need water, air, energy, climate control and those systems also can breakdown. When talking about like warehouses, or like gas silo's, oil platform those would require much more maintenance. Taxes, if i were on pyro setting shop, i would not expect to pay tax tto anyone because what services are exchanged for my taxation, none, and thus no tax....but if i were set on Daymar i would expect taxation but i would expect the navy to show up if im attacked....this could help those pvp haters to have more security or peace of mind

[@diego-vw2in]

Wow amazing video, thank you!!! I agree with you about almost everything you talked about. I would disagree only with the pre made buildings instead a free build like ark or others game, but at the end you were right. I would like to add just you have pre building but you can personalize everything about the building, for example, the texture inside and outside of the building: you can choose an industrial look (like lorville) or a futuristic look (like microthech), the color, many types of doors (so you can select each door of your building). Like you have pre made, but you can change all the look. About landing costs and maintenance, i do not agree about moneys costs. If you are on uee territory, i think a good way is tax based on what modules you have (refinery, trade-posts, medics areas). For e.g. you have to pay 5% from your PROFIT for each medic bay you have. So this way you have to pay about your profit. But of course it must have a system to check inactive. For example, if a player or org have an area and they do not use it, others can claim the zone. If have more than one, it can be sold on an auction . It would be very cool. The modules/buildings of your base may have durability, so this way you have to get materials and people to repair the modules/buildings. This is a nice way to deal instead of get money from players.

[@LoudGuns]

If you’re a fellow Ark but maybe I can bring Atlas up as a reference. Looking past the s*** show that it became I did really like how they did the ships - you have a blueprint you work within but can apply a degree of customisation to make it “your ship”. Add to this that you have lots of building blocks and you can still make something unique. That’d help to keep base building a great experience without ruining a beautiful game with lots of cuboid, boring bases. It might be getting too into the economic weeds but I think there’s some really interesting stuff you could do with taxation that would create challenges for large orgs that limit their power while leaving little groups and solos unscathed. If you had a land tax based on the total value of an organisations land (factoring in development - eg mining stations) you could create a cash flow challenge for big orgs that could incentivise them to mothball less profitable spots (freeing those up for smaller groups who may have more time to put into them).

[@kevinj834]

This would add so much to the game I can't wait for this to come to the verse.

[@LoudGuns]

And this is why you don’t need any of my speculation to hype it! :D

[@coina-dig-tion6322]

congrats on the video AND.....not screwing up Christmas. 🙂 Can we move our property if we want to ? Do we think our personal hangars can be located at our remote bases or will they have to be in large cities?

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers mate! I’ll try and split it into 2 answers; Property should be moveable to the degree that they semi-confirmed (it was a “I don’t see why you couldn’t”) that we would be able to salvage bases. So you could stake a new land claim, then salvage all your buildings on the first plot and use the mats / components to rebuild on the new plot. Based on other survival games I’ve played you’d probably not get back 100% of mats when you salvage but it’d probably save you a lot. On personal hangars I think this would make sense. But I haven’t seen anything in the models of outposts that shows anything bigger than landing pads and ground vehicle garages. It would surprise me if hangars don’t come though.

[@lydellb]

Honestly, I love the habs at the research centers. I would love to just have a space like that that I can rearrange to work for one person.

[@LoudGuns]

I’m psyched that so many different people have such a huge range of ideas about their perfect base! Might have to do a “cribs” style feature on the channel once the mechanic is live where I just tour the verse to see what people have made!

[@FormerBunsenBurner]

My ultimate dream for SC is that one day, in the hopefully not distant future, I'll have a small little homestead. Nothing major, just a little home, a landing area for my ship and the supplementary systems to keep it afloat.

[@BerraLJ]

This i do look forward to, always nice to have a home that is not just a temporary hab like now. I would just love an underground hangar to park ships in.

[@LoudGuns]

Indeed hopefully the persistent hangars will at least be a start. Interesting there was one comment I noted but couldn’t shoehorn in about data storage caches being underground. I wonder if this might be an option for hangars too?

[@BerraLJ]

@@LoudGuns yeah would be nice to be able to park the ROC-DS, G12 and such underground, but even at least smaller ships, fitting a Carrack might be harder :)

[@LoudGuns]

@@BerraLJ with some animations it could be a good way to explain away “storing” ships.

[@BerraLJ]

@@LoudGuns yeah it is bit simplified now almost like in Elite when entering your ship you just teleport from outside into the pilots seat.

[@rolanders7553]

Look forward to hauling the goods to wherever you start building the org bases Look forward to making player bases part of my trade/hauling gameplay Also you forgot to push your Patreon

[@LoudGuns]

For sure - got to keep those supplies coming in!! I mention it at the end but don’t want to get too pushy with it - I’ve got a few plans to get the word out a bit more though.

[@Noidhole88]

Its funny, when you were talking about people pledging the Pioneer I had the same thoughts on the pay to win aspect. It never bothers me as I am content with my small fleet, but the idea of paying to get a jump start on colony building rubbed me the wrong way as well.

[@LoudGuns]

I played a great game that unfortunately flopped called Last Oasis. The launch was a…..shit show, but they effectively bottlenecked us at the lower tier of the maps and tech tree for a couple of weeks so if you got hit by poor servers on the launch you could catch up. I just think CIG should take a similar approach - bring in land claims once we’ve been live for a couple of months and those who don’t have $$$ bought claims can buy them for UEC. I know it’ll piss some Pioneer owners off (full disclosure a pioneer is on my shopping list still) but realistically the people who own Pioneers and Land Claims are a tiny % vs those who don’t. Not that I’m cynical or anything but I think it makes sense for CIG to stay a bit ambiguous until much closer to live, then choose the option that annoys the smaller group of players.

[@LordWolf007]

I want a hollowed out dead volcano to land ships into,… like the TV series, Airwolf!

[@lancearn7332]

Yeah. I know were there is one of those volcanoes, not very flat at the base but enough to put down a hidden outpost.. :)

[@HoboInASuit4Tune]

@Loud Guns I thought I heard developers say that land claims and their buildings would only exist on the shard the owner is active on, and would disappear within a short amount of time of them logging off. This solves security and the 'logging in without a base' issue. However it completely screws with my immersion and feeling of being in a consistent, living, breathing, physicalized universe. I'd much rathe rhave it exist, and be protected by some badass security. Heck, I'd even pay a pirate crew to show up and pew pew whenever my alarms are triggered. There's got to be better ways to deal with it than just have it disappear..

[@bryan240sxz]

You did a very good job with this video. Alot of great info. Thank you very much for the time spent making this

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers mate - it got a lot quicker when I realised I could take the info in at 2x speed! :D

[@pierrelofinusound3020]

Excellent and promising

[@LoudGuns]

Indeed! Thanks for watching!

[@foxleskiller]

For one of the building for player to make will be cool to have bunker for PMC or Syndicate Org to have for there base Syndicat will must likely use it to be underground to hide themselves for radar form bounty hunter

[@gardensoundrecords3598]

I really love the Idea that products that being moved around the verse can come from and to real players. I Can produce things like ores and drugs and agriculture and some items that can be exported. While simultaneously import commodities to build buildings, components or other things that my town cant produce. It really brings a circular feel to the games economy. Along with player owned resource, gathering, factories, hauling and trading the economy will really bring SC to the next level. lets just hope they can do it

[@a1xhuncho59]

So will they have certain servers you join so you load into the same place?

[@lord17c]

I'm hoping they do a smaller base building ship. Something medium size would be good.

[@squirrellordsgaming2772]

I've acquired an 85X. I've finally started streaming. I'm thinking about doing a series called "Star Taxi" or maybe "Squirrel's Taxi Service". In these streams I intend to get on crowded servers, offer my services as a Taxi, and interview my passengers on stream asking the passengers about what they like about SC and their experiences. What do you think about this idea?

[@SuperMontsta]

I think most of the people we'll be ferrying will be NPCs. I'm not sure a ton of people will be paying for an Uber when they can fly their own ship around. Could get some, but don't think it'd be a ton. If you gain a large fan base on your streams though, you'll get more people showing up just to appear on the stream of course.

[@Nitrox_909]

This had by far the most potential in the game

[@ejfoy]

I like the idea of a land shield for your base but it should be optional and incremental, larger more powerful shields need more upkeep ect.

[@geislar7682]

Also a tradeoff from signature and stealth. If you use native materials and build deep within a cave you should be nigh undetectable; alternatively you could build with more durable materials and cap a big ole power generator to shield you from MOABs, but everyone and their mother knows where you are the moment they drop through the jump point.

[@first-du3xq]

make more videos like this this video was really good make one on the economy systm

[@ranishkA123]

I think ships like the A2/Javelin/Idris/etc SHOULD be able to attack from above. BUT, we should also be able to build strong Anti-Air defences to fight against. Something like shields like you mentioned, heavy and large anti-air/space Artillery projectile/laser guns.

[@LoudGuns]

Don’t get me wrong - I think an A2 should be able to pancake a little base where the owner hasn’t invested in protection. Hopefully, the A2 owner is disincentivised to do this by the economics - i.e. the cost of the bomb makes it a dumb thing to do. However, I just think to keep things interesting that top-tier ground defences should trump top tier aerial and orbital bombardment options.

[@prmonkeyman]

Damn I didn't know this was even a thing!

[@douglasdoherty9057]

Honestly when i made a base I wanted a large section of the base to be underground with hangers that opened out to the surface. Like being able to bury most of a base to hide it away

[@andreijackson8703]

It's be cool to see a city built by and org

[@LoudGuns]

Indeed it would (or should I say will?) be! 😆

[@greywolfmichael730]

I would personally like to see some more livish planets like micro tech. Fingers crossed for pyro. But I’d rather live in a protected zone. This could make a great mechanic for logging on your land as well

[@LoudGuns]

I think we’ve got a huge variety of planets to come, when you consider how much difference there is between the 4 we do have in a single system there’s a lot to shoot for. Personally I’m on the lookout for a full blown jungle planet, or some huge alien redwood forest!

[@MidnightWolfSDJ]

@@LoudGuns we should totally be neighbors lol! This is the kind of planet I look forward to seeing!

[@stewartmacy4859]

Fallout 4 was a game changer for me. I could build a town and people would come to stay. With the fantastic art and engineering of star citizen, I also see exploration, making UEC and just enjoying life on a claim; things that elude us in real life.

[@LoudGuns]

For sure, my dream is to build a living breathing city at the edge of the verse….and also a little farm off in the mountains where I can go to chill out :D

[@jacobdoughty3528]

Oh god no another star system needs your help ill mark it on your starmap

[@starman4346]

I think a good way around the eye sore issue and the server performance is just to load the outposts of those on the server. That way with 50 outposts, you're less likely to see a shit one and its a lot less for the server.

[@jedi_drifter2988]

@Loud Guns I have a topic that players could be interested in and that is small, med to large fleets and what it might take to maintain each of them. What is considered to be a small, med and large fleet ? Will you need an org. ? What will you need to bring along on your journey through the stars ? I know that many players, including myself see the ship candy that CIG puts out there for everyone to drool over and end up with more than 1 or 2 ships. I am not sure that many players are thinking that far ahead. With bigger planetary systems coming, we will need bigger and or longer range ships. At this point I know it's a lot of speculation, but that is what the game is at this time, speculation citizen. You do a great job at describing and explaining things in a logical manner. This is why I thought you might take on this subject for the new year .

[@LoudGuns]

Thanks mate, have you happened to checkout my “Getting Organised” series? I try to build fleets for orgs operating in a different industry each time with a focus on small (5-10), medium (30) and large (100). In the future I’m intending to build it out into wider subjects on orgs - structure / comms / finances etc. In short….great minds think alike :D

[@jedi_drifter2988]

@@LoudGuns Thanx 4 the info. and yes .

[@iamscoutstfu]

This is what im looking forward to the most. Secret asteroid bases when!?

[@LoudGuns]

Hell yes. I’m really keen to make an asteroid base too - Grim Hex but nice 😂 I’m also very interested to see what they do with player owned space stations since I think that’s the sort of thing I’d really love my org to control.

[@Inlandthunder86]

I'm excited for this to come to the PU...

[@LoudGuns]

It’ll be a fine day!

[@hinowisaybye]

It'd be cool if we could get npcs to move into our settlements. We'd have to organize shipments for necessities for them and they could do more menial tasks. Get good ole company town's that run by players.

[@mantiscoregaming6699]

Based off what I've read and seen....my pioneer is my bread and butter. Our orgs plan, based off such, is to provide land claims for you to choose from, if you have your oun claim design the build with you, or show you a selection of prebuilds and also build it for you.

[@meowmeow2759]

I didnt even know this was coming to star citizen, holy shit the possibilities are endless in my brain

[@LoudGuns]

Indeed, don’t think about it too long or your brain may explode :D

[@johngabrielgenuino2357]

I wonder, how would they prevent land overlay potential problem? like If I buy Land A but in a different server, another player owns the same area. Then one day, both players joined one server... then how many lots/land/properties can we own? is there a limit base on how much we can afford in game Or number of property the player will currently own? Nonetheless, this concept would definitely change how we will see SC. Somehow would be another perspective on how digital real estate would play. I wish we could hire people to run/maintain and protect our base.

[@talscorner3696]

I'd love to work on the Pioneer with you folks ^^

[@mastersoanes]

Just installed 8 GB more DDR3 into my diesel powered rig... as such its time to have a look at this game! BASE BUILDING YOU SAYYYYY ....... - must we mine rocks, make walls and build castles?? :D

[@LoudGuns]

For now we can just do the mining part, but in the future castles for sure! :D

[@paulchancey5509]

Origin should make a small space RV crew size 1 with great viewing ports and their typical luxury, room for a ground vehicle, maybe around the 400i size but designed to be a comfortable residence when parked.

[@LoudGuns]

Yeah tbf the 400i could easily get a touring variant in a similar way to the 600i?

[@stijnVDA1994]

I think it would be interesting to have a building company career path where you can be hired with a few guys to basicly build after what someone wants(maybe ad an design aspect with limits of constriction brand designs but where the person creates within the limits set up a base) and have the construction company build the base no matter if you are online or offline, though the land owner must pay for the selected by the construction company defences like mercs and temporary turrets..

[@stijnVDA1994]

One thing i'd like to know is can you fill the town with cpu characters or is it limited by only players?

[@stijnVDA1994]

And wil the construction ship be automated to what degree

[@stijnVDA1994]

I would like to see when you have land you can hire merc with are both players as cpu characters and possibly an irl ap to give cpu characters an order like if they found an wanted player they can do either detain them until further orders or kill them outright and loot them for both upgrading themselves aswel as giving other cpu or yourself better armor or weapons....

[@stijnVDA1994]

And yeah it should cost a lot, maybe less if you can own the planet itself without taxes

[@wayneblair3679]

Soooo where do we get the orange armor from? my OCD wants to match with Mole, lol

[@LoudGuns]

Haha - it's a pledge store one - Aril Harvester. you can buy the yellow one in game from cargo decks though.

[@benx2230]

I'm expecting that an 8x8 organization estate should also have a spaceport and a fuel depot, at the very least.

[@heath1234able]

Man just want a nice patch somewhere, grassy open fields, just become Thanos after he’s destroyed the rings.

[@WarriorTech_FTW]

There are warm parts of microtech that are perfect for that kind of setting

[@LoudGuns]

Haha, the running joke in Frontier is that I won’t have anything to do when the game comes out and will end up quietly living on my farm.

[@OminousPinapple]

The rings?? Dudes mixing up LoTR and the MCU lmao

[@lisa-azrabroad4137]

Yeah, in ten years time when most of the solar systems have been implemented, because there will be many a wipe before release. Good, realistic and fair suggestions by the way.

[@LoudGuns]

Thanks Lisa - yeah we’ve got a while to wait yet for sure!

[@Overlegen]

So exciting to hear about all these plans and possibilities, but also a bit frustrating…… SO MUCH MORE to implement in this game!😓 Will I be able to play in before I become too old, and will they have gaming rigs in the nursing homes?😅

[@LoudGuns]

My long term running joke is that the game SC “could be” has ruined other games for me :(

[@Overlegen]

@@LoudGuns true! Then again, now I have invested so much in it, even if I wasn’t as excited as I am, I would still feel compelled to wait for the end result 😆😳😆

[@LoudGuns]

@@Overlegen just imagining us both in our nursing homes stalwartly refusing to pass on because we need to see it out! :D

[@Overlegen]

@@LoudGuns I’ll be there! 😄

[@USBEN.]

Cool stuff, i would like NPC services when player services not available. But NPC service will be slow and expensive, soo enterprising player can make decent profit by undercutting the default NPC services. But there surely needs to be a way to not rely on players for important things atleast.

[@LoudGuns]

Agreed, I figure there will probably be automated ways for stuff to happen (e.g. the way refineries currently work) but that player operated stuff will be quicker or have a higher potential yield dictated by skill.

[@shootnblankz9994]

I think there will be a chance that like MISC or CO will offer a few basic blueprints and will build those for you. Or a whole new Group that's just for building. Then if you want to build something unique or expand your place you will have to do it your self. Ill be surprised if there isn't a option that doesn't have to do with other players or your self having you build your place.

[@rooster1012]

There are 2 types of bases that they mentioned in the last Citizen Con, the complex ones that the Pioneer builds and the prefabs that are built on Arc Corp that you currently see in the game where you do your missions. The prefabs are the ones that can be transported on a ship and assembled by a solo player on a site.

[@LoudGuns]

I’m also thinking (was too blue sky for this vid maybe) that there should be lots of blueprints available to buy with different materials required. You could acquire the bp’s (make it really interesting by locking some behind reputation or exploration missions) then place a shell which requires certain materials to complete. This would keep up the variety, but as they’d all be pre-designed would also avoid the ugly block building problem and server issues.

[@shootnblankz9994]

@@LoudGuns would be sweet and a pain in the ass lol if he had to mine materials and salvage the steel from ships or Hurston's surface. Not just be able to buy them... Once they make hand salvage a thing so its not locked behind owning a Prospector or mole

[@LanOsb133]

Did they ever talk about owning multiple land sites? I would love to have say 2 spots. 1 used as an FOB for an Org, or used as a mining site, repair shop etc etc. And than another for my personal house which would be small and maybe have enough room for 1 or 2 small ships but enough of a spot to be self sufficient for my own character.

[@LoudGuns]

They didn’t talk about limiting it at all, I don’t see why they would since org’s are likely to plan to drop multiple land claims in a big block so I reckon you’re safe!