Standard Range vs Long Range Model 3 (Oct 2022)

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[@ezpoppy55]

I have a 2021 SR+. Love it. Two things you didn’t mention: 1) If you get the 18” wheels, you actually get two wheel options for the price of one! You can leave the plastic aero covers on to maximize range, or you can pull them off and reveal a set of decent looking wheels underneath. It’s even possible to remove/replace those covers as you like. 2) There is a large segment of the population for which the extra several thousands of dollars (it was plus $10k for the LR when I got mine, $16k more for the P model) is a deal breaker. I get annoyed when I see KZbinrs treat that price difference as a small decision. It isn’t. Also, to shoot the more affordable option dead before it’s even left the starting gate makes no sense at all. “Hey, if you’re going to get a Tesla, it HAS to be the LR/P, otherwise it’s a waste of money” Wrong. I have driven my SR+ up and down the West Coast (Portland to San Diego), and across the US from CA to KY. Family trips (2 adults and 2 teenage boys), and solo trips. Not once have I wished I’d spent the extra $10k. (Hint: Never in the 50+ years of driving fast have I ever had a bikini clad super model waiting for me at my destination, holding a 5’ trophy, a dozen roses, and a supersized seven-figure check. Never.) Everyone has to decide for themselves. But I’d certainly encourage KZbin reviewers to build up the advantages of more economically priced EVs. There’s nothing wrong with not having bleeding edge tech, materials, features, and specs. They can still be practical, useful, durable and reliable transportation. In other words, what the vast majority of people want and need.

[@photofusionart]

Amazing point of view. I agree.

[@epcalderhead]

If I could sell my LR RWD and purchase a SR for the same amount I would be tempted to go that route to get all the upgrades. Having taken several long road trips the SR Model 3 would have made those trips with no issues.

[@funnyfacez74]

Bravo! Couldn't of said it any better.

[@baophan09]

Well said

[@martalli]

I completely agree with you. However, this reviewer bought a standard range and spent quite a lot of time talking about the range issues. He only touches on it a few times, but LFP batteries are likely to be far preferrable for a good ownership experience with less degradation over time.

[@M27-f4f]

Owned both and I feel the handling in the rwd was better. Felt lighter. My favourite would be a long range RWD with an LFP battery. Around 375 miles per charge would be perfect.

[@tonysimon8060]

18:41 that moment right there was the money shot! The last couple of seconds before the sun completely hides behind the horizon 😊

[@jasonwiltjer9]

Definitely can’t go wrong with either, I chose long range because it really does make a pretty big difference with road trips with the range and faster charging. Also the speed difference is crazy even though the standard range is still very fast.

[@HermanWillems]

Are you going to buy the performance boost for your long range? Making it a performance without brakes, rims and spoiler?

[@RaduBogdan2k]

@@HermanWillems it only gets half way to the speed of the performance, not all the way

[@jasonwiltjer9]

@@HermanWillems ya I got the acceleration boost.

[@christiandavies7650]

yeah agree, I bought the LR for more than just range. I wanted all wheel drive, better sound system, and faster. To me that was worth the extra money.

[@xUnic31x]

When it comes to range, I like seeing the battery percentage than the actual miles left. I don't want to feel anxious when the battery starts degrading eventually 😋

[@realshnx]

Unfortunately some companies don't even currently give you the option

[@Carguytct]

The miles left is a lie anyway.

[@HermanWillems]

The battery percentage is also just an "estimation". It's not factual.

[@Modikie]

@@Carguytct not on my chevy volt it isnt. in fact, it usually predicts 27 miles, and because it always computes based on efficiency, i get at least 27 miles every time. i wish every ev calculated miles like this

[@howardsaltzman2103]

The Model 3 RWD is crazy efficient. Averaging 203 Wh/mi in my first 3,000 miles, with about half of it being highway miles. This actually slightly exceeds the rated EPA range. Wh/mi will no doubt increase with sub-freezing temperatures and snow tires.

[@HermanWillems]

As I have seen from tests. The RWD in winter will be as efficient as other EV's in the summer hahah

[@imnobosh]

I agree. The car will direct you to stop intermediately so you wouldn't be doing the full 350 miles to a charge, BUT you could. You don't have to stop at the destinations they suggest or stop charging when the car suggests you to stop. Another 70 miles of driving and in some areas you can pass several superchargers. I know it's not great to charge up that way all the time and route planning could get a bit more complicated but I still think the long range is worth it.

[@inspiredbychallenge]

These videos are very informative. I appreciate the time and research Drew clearly puts into them. Thank you Drew for the great informative content!

[@LarryRichelli]

I am a old, ex hot rodder car guy. Getting the MP3 performance was my choice and I am loving it. Doing a 0 to 60mph drag next to a hell cat dodge with 500hp and blowing them away is pure joy! I do envy you battery cuz we have about the same range. I have only charged to 100% twice and went on a trip right after reaching 100% but daily I only charge to 75%. I get free electricity where I live here in So Calif and have only charged a few ( maybe 10 times at super chargers and then only charging from 12% to 70% in about 20 or 30 min. I live in the desert but coming out to 29 Palms there is a very fun twisty section of road and coming up that twisty hill in performance mode always puts a big smile on my face. Gotta love teslas!

[@dabbingduskullz]

We just did a 650km round trip (403 miles) in our 2021 SR+ with the LFP battery Range wasn't an issue at all, we stopped for food and the restrooms while supercharging

[@Longsnowsm]

Probably the biggest factor for those of us in colder climates would be winter range anxiety. In that case the LR may be worth the extra money. Plus living in an EV desert charging can be few and far between so that plays into the decision process. I would like to think the SR would be enough until I think about the winter range then I start second guessing.

[@davidrcook8126]

Great video. I am getting my 2023 Standard Range in 2 days!!! LOVE that LFP battery. And everything else. The standard range rocks!! 🙂

[@mujjuman]

It's been 11 months since your comment. Can you provide an update? How do you like your car now? Pros/Cons Likes/Dislikes?

[@drewdrew-mk1cp]

Ditto to the comment above, how is it?

[@sidzhottake]

Dude! I loved the straight talk that you dropped in this video! (12:00-13:00 mark) So logical!

[@jackietreehorn9117]

This is by far ..one of the best videos I seen and answers every question I had on model 3 vs rest on real world driving and usage. BTW I ordered Standard RWD , saved $8k at least

[@mattvmani]

This is great to discuss. I don’t think many realize this. Personally I think the less you spend on a Tesla the better of the deal is and greatly tapers off as you spend any bit more. I got a 2023 M3 SR and the experience is 95% of every other model. Not as fancy stereo, not as fast, no dedicated video card like in the S/X. The pros: travel time using SC is negligible. You still get fast charging from 20-80%. Can sit at a full charge and you’re always getting your moneys worth out of the battery. Less degradation over time and after supercharging. It has current hardware and cameras and can do FSD just the same. Acceleration from 30-70 is extremely fast and fun. You can get just as cool hubcaps to match the more expensive rims while not getting short life performance tires. It also is less complex if repairs ever become an issue. The best part, the standard range is 12k cheaper, plus after your federal rebate and state rebate you’re under 30k. It’s kind of a no brainer.

[@mrpauly01]

That was the best ‘range comparison’ video I have watched. As a newbie to the Tesla cult I have now had 2 months of buyers remorse eg should have, could have bought the long range or duel motor etc and trying to work out the efficiency and the range has been a challenge so listening to your logic and actual experience is quite reassuring. For info I can charge (same car as you) up to 244 miles not the claimed 266 and I get around 200 miles on a 100% charge but as I charge mostly from home every 8-9 days at 7p per KW (Uk energy over night tariff) the running cost is ridiculously inexpensive compared to my Infinity EX30 V6 3L diesel.. cheers for a great video.

[@bentube8169]

I keep hearing “$6,000-$7,000 more” for Long Range, when in fact RWD is priced at $46,990 and LR is priced at $57,990. That’s $11,000. I ordered RWD on 9/16 with edd 12/3-1/14/23 based on LFP chemistry and saving $11,000. Yes, the LR is faster to 60 in 4.2 seconds, but how fast do you need to go on your daily commute ?The RWD is also very fast and probably faster than what most people are already driving. Test Drive both and one might find the RWD is plenty fast. I’ll take less battery degradation over time with RWD and just add a 3rd party subwoofer for

[@manolommad]

I have a rwd and wanted to add a sub, where can we get one installed?

[@wskim5526]

How do you find subwoofer?

[@lv352]

I also would like to know

[@whatrgenazz]

Thank u… I am literally on the same boat as u thinking about rwd vs awd. U helped me stick to my rwd. Been through all the same research and had the same thoughts in my head. U helped solidify it.

[@tuhinc1]

Great perspective. Only thing i like about the long range is the fact that it has AWD, much better music system, and much higher acceleration. Not necessarily the range part as you mentioned.

[@tylerwiesner7128]

I just bought a 2023 RWD just before the price drop. It would've only been 4k more for a LR after the price drop. I would've gladly paid 4k for AWD, sound system, and faster acceleration. But at the time I purchased, it was 12k more which is an easy no.

[@tuhinc1]

@@tylerwiesner7128 Same here

[@geekstradamus1548]

Rural roads here, it’ll have to be AWD for the 4-7 days a year it will really matter. 🤷‍♂️

[@markwaters5578]

I purchased a standard range model 3, because on the Big Island (Hawaii) to go around the island is about 250 miles and the highest speed you can go legally is 60 miles per hour and this is only in one spot (Saddle Road). For me this just makes sense. If someone needs more range and wants to go really fast by all means pay the extra $6000 dollars.

[@markwaters5578]

Sorry about the error in math. Should be $16000.

[@thewaxlab]

My job requires me to fill up 3 times a week. So the LR made the most sense. And it’s great peace of mind when stuck in traffic. (Of which LA, 405, San Diego are regular routes)

[@ostentatiousostrich]

But being stuck in traffic gives you near unlimited miles of range..? No peace of mind needed there.

[@davidkaplan5517]

Being stuck in traffic uses almost no range. Unless you drive 250 miles a day you don’t need LR

[@thewaxlab]

@@davidkaplan5517 I know. “Piece of mind” was for my initial range anxiety

[@medawson01]

I bought the Model 3 RWD white on white a month ago. Three days after I got it, I went on a road trip. It was the perfect trip. I'm glad I did not buy the AWD model. I'm retired, so I don't have to drive it to work, and once a week I don't drive at all.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Drew is absolutely correct when your budget is tight. My first Tesla in 2017 had only 240 mi range and I never had a problem. It was replaced with a 400 mi model S and I only charge once or twice a week. When our Lucid arrives next month with over 500 mi range, charging probably is only once a week. Imagine in 2024, Aptera will deliver a 1000 mi EV.

[@XxXxXKEIFERXxXxX]

The LR I felt was the best bang for your buck with increased range, better sound system, fog lights, All wheel, faster, better in the cold ( I live in Canada), faster charging. I won’t mention floor Matt’s lmao

[@JesusisKing2000]

The RWD is for sure a better value

[@SandKraken]

@@JesusisKing2000 awd was worth 6tk to me

[@riquediz]

@@JesusisKing2000 def not... just look at the sales. You cant even buy a new one right now

[@davidkaplan5517]

It’s not better in the cold. It is terribly inefficient in cold just like SR is. Unless you drive over 125 miles a day it doesn’t matter.

[@J.0.E.]

@@SandKraken long range is 12k more

[@loganrossignol]

My bf got a Midrange back when those were available, it was like a $5k difference or something between that and the LR, and he regularly tells me he wishes he'd have just gotten the LR. He also drives like 80 miles a day and his MR is fine for that, he just wishes he had a bit more range available

[@TheDrivenDave]

Really good video and thoughts. I bought a long range 3 weeks ago and was thinking of making a similar video. I was thinking I was glad I got the extra range, but I drive more than 100 miles a day. What you said makes a lot of sense. It comes down to your own lifestyle and how you need to use the car. I will say that as a car guy, I appreciate the added speed and premium audio of the long range. Not sure it’s worth the extra $ for everyone, but those factors helped me rationalize it. Anyway, both versions of the car are phenomenal. Thanks for the content!

[@phil7964]

Amazing video! I completely agree. I wish I could have ordered the standard range. However, my main reasons to ordering the LR was exactly what you mentioned. I live in New England and also drive a lot for work.So I need the range and the loss of range in the winter is huge. Also having all wheel drive is almost a must come the snow and ice months.

[@peterpetrov6522]

It's a journey, not a destination. Whether you saved 6,000 or 46,000 it's all good, man! You don't even need a Tesla to be happy. Happiness is just a state of mind. The difference between 220 miles and 260 miles is just a 40 mile walk. ...and we're walking. It's a part of the journey. Peace!

[@JNGold]

Real simple yardstick to consider, just like buying any electronic device with memory or storage is to buy the most you can reasonably afford. I think the LR is the sweet spot of the Model 3 lineup, offering the most range, fantastic premium sound system, and most importantly AWD. Love my '21 LRM3. I went with the 18's for ride comfort and all weather tires. Added bonus I can switch out the Aero covers for Rimetrix Orbitals (what I have now), or the 18" UberTurbines covers which I am waiting to be shipped.

[@lilweslo]

AWD really makes the difference with the torque of these cars. I have RWD and Long range and the RWD always has traction control kick on to the point it’s annoying!

[@davidkaplan5517]

Idk what traction control even is

[@goJesusandStarcraft]

@@davidkaplan5517 traction control is pretty basic. Computer in the car won’t let the motor (or engine for gas cars) speed up to the point that the tires start skidding.

[@tyronemcgillick]

I wondered if that was an issue with RWD. When traction control kicks in are you booting it around corners or just regular driving?

[@lilweslo]

@@tyronemcgillick simple driving. Most often accelerating from a right hand turn and in the rain. In the AWD I can almost floor it without traction control slowing me down at all.

[@goJesusandStarcraft]

@@lilweslo i notice in RWD 2019 model 3 as well, traction control kills acceleration sometimes. Ex, Merging onto an expressway from a full stop

[@moehussein3598]

Andrew why did you only discuss the range difference between the 2? Why not the other things you get with the LR like fog lights, premium speakers and more….

[@davidkaplan5517]

@@TailosiveEV ?

[@ModelY303]

@@davidkaplan5517 imagine having skill issue lmao

[@ModelY303]

@@davidkaplan5517 couldn’t be me

[@alexandrutudor9497]

and the fact that you have two motors and AWD

[@davidz7858]

For me, those do not worth $10,000 for my commute and weekend drive around, I paid $34018 for standard Tesla model 3 after state and federal rebate and tax credit. It is the bargain, $10,000 will be maintenance fee for 10 years.

[@nathanmiller9711]

Omg I just started this EXACT thread on an owners group of Facebook. Stay out of my head 🤣🤣🤣 no, seriously. Thanks for the content.

[@joemamauwu]

Great video, i didnt think about the difference between the LR and SR as impractical for my driving habits. Thank you for the video!

[@videorecreators]

Great video bro this is exactly what I was looking for

[@mmitchell1727]

I keep my cars over 6 years and take around 20 road trips a year for family and vacation. The range is a must with weather changes. Totally worth it. I know too many owners that hate low range.

[@EddyG05]

Got a 2018 mid range model 3 and it has about 229mi of range and I drove my car from LA to Vegas with only one charging stop. I rarely road trip but when I do I'm glad it's still reliable. On average I drive less than 40mi a day. No regrets on my decision to buy it and still happy till this day.

[@DanDeGaston]

Quick reference for people - Instead of just talking about it. . . Several other youtubers actually timed the difference between std range and Long Range. Callas EV 400 mile trip - 1 hour longer total trip, 30 minuts longer charging, 1 extra supercharger stop (Which it takes time to pull off the freeway and then get back on). Detailing with Mark - Again he states a 400 mile trip is about 40 minutes shorter, He also states the upgrade is a no brainer as the car is MUCH better. My personal experience - Going SLC to Denver with so much uphill, I was spending about 60% of my time on the highway as it took 40% of my time to pull off the highway, charge, and then get back on the highway. Doing this with a Long Range vehicle is MUCH better and well worth the price if you do it a couple times per year. My quick story, I HIGHLY recommend if you are a 1 car household DO NOT GET the std Range or Model Y performance as road trips kind of suck. (If you are a 2 car household or rarely roadtrip. . .Then who cares? Just take the other car or rent a car for the weekend. You actually save money by putting the extra miles on the other car for just a weekend trip.)

[@DanDeGaston]

@@TailosiveEV I had a miserable experience, I am glad you had an enjoyable experience. I am happy for you.

[@davidkaplan5517]

@@TailosiveEV yeah but for 3.7 0-60, fog lights, and premium audio? That’s the real difference

[@nickgrace5363]

I haven’t charged the SR for 3 days now . Battery is at 65%. I normally plug in every night at home with the Mobil charger . Still have not needed to Super charge . Maybe I will plug in tomorrow on day 4 . It’s perfect car for florida Commuting.

[@iliamarielugo]

Thanks so much for your insight. I lost my AWD LR in a flood (RIP) 😢 but I can confirm that I was charging the car pretty often, mind you I was always speeding everywhere… lol so yeah, your driving style will definitely influence how much range you’ll get out of it. I’ll definitely consider the SR and save my money now that I’ve watched your video.

[@iliamarielugo]

Sigh….. I charge my car every 2 days. The range is HORRIBLE. Either wait for the LR to come down in price or just get the new one with the better battery.

[@iliamarielugo]

@cheetah2882 the Standard Range

[@iliamarielugo]

I loved the Long Range. Since it was totaled in a flood I decided to get a standard range instead and save the extra 7k, but if you can’t charge from home at night you’ll find yourself going to the supercharger every 2-3 days. I do miss my Long Range.

[@michaelm.7418]

With the LFP battery charging to 100% is for battery calibration. This is because LFP batteries keep a mostly even pack voltage except right near 0% and 100%. Since battery state-of-charge percentages rely on voltage to identify battery levels, this creates a problem. Tesla solves this by reaching the 100% level regularly and calibrating the battery each time. For best battery health you will have a slightly better result by charging to 80%, however you should still go to 100% at least every 2 weeks to keep the battery calibrated.

[@Jarptchow85]

You get dual motors i.e greater tork and better soundsystem in the LR too not only the battery... faster charging too not only the larger battery

[@pablo.valero]

An excellent summary, I had a lot of information about LFP vs CPA Batteries but I didnt know LFP lasted more, I plan to keep a decade the car, so this is important, I have a Decision now and I agree with you

[@videorecreators]

Wish they'd give us the premium sound package in the rwd

[@franklong6269]

Probably the RWD Long Range Model 3 is the best Model 3 to buy right now because it is dirt cheap. However, the LFP battery in the standard range RWD Model 3 is bulletproof, and it keeps a lot more of its capacity over heavy use. The LR RWD has an 82 kWh battery, and if you charge it conservatively, it should last a very long time. The new LR RWD Model 3 is faster than the standard range, and it has 363 miles of range. In America, it is the cheapest Model 3 you can buy. I own a 2022 Model 3 RWD with the LFP battery, and in temperate weather, I get around 2.0 kW/mile to 2.20 kW/mile when I drive conservatively. So, the efficiency is off-the-charts. I have 82,000 miles on my Model 3, and my real-world range is between 225 - 240 miles. But I live in Arizona and the car expends a LOT of energy cooling the battery pack. If the temperature is under 85 degrees F, I will easily get 225 kW/mile with mixed highway/city driving. However, with highway driving, many times I can get 225 kW/mile in cooler weather.. I really like my Model 3, but the LR RWD Model 3 is the best buy right now, and it is probably the best car for the dollar. I recently traveled to California in my 2022 Model 3, and traveling was effortless. Our first supercharger session took less than 15 minutes. The longest charging session on the entire trip was approximately 25 -30 minutes. Nearly all of the charging sessions were 15 -20 minutes. So, the standard range RWD Model 3 is a great car to travel in.

[@anonymoustv5770]

Take it from me, get the LR. The premium audio, AWD and added range are worth it

[@richardmarquardt6246]

Great discussion with actual facts and considerations not just emotional numbers.

[@panosfxable]

Got my 2023 RWD Model 3 a month ago. Came super fast less than 2 months! Love this car. Even with higher pricing I’m glad I did not pay the extra money for the LR. I’m in FL so I did not need the AWD as well. RWD LFP rocks! Just wished they gave us that premium sound package! Other than that it’s a great vehicle!

[@raymondtrippy3610]

Extremely helpful video especially on comparing the batteries and range. I thought I wanted a long range or performance model but with the additional discounts available (waiting for Tesla) on the standard model dropping the price to around $38k. Add to this a $2000 additional discount directly from NYS and the $7500 fed rebate makes a standard range M3 including 8% state tax out the door about $31k which is thousands less than the other M3 options because of discounts and rebates on the standard range. Thought I was going to wait for the refresh but now thinking I don’t see how you can go wrong so I thank you again. 👍🚗

[@antdafnmanz]

Great video .. I literally was trying to sit here and justify the fact I wanted the long range and you made all the sense in the world. I know I’m a year late but thanks for the video. Long range it is for me.

[@TailosiveEV]

Totally different story now. Long range is cheaper now with the tax credit

[@anthonybrunson4088]

@@TailosiveEVyou can’t get a tax credit on a used Tesla correct?

[@Valentika]

Thanks! You helped me to make decision.. you are so right about charging and distance

[@olqu1352]

now that the long range has NCM battery and the standard range has LFP is your argument from 15:10 still true? LFP battery should last much longer right?

[@TheJLMDT]

Long range also is AWD which is a very "nice to have" in climates that get a lot of rain and snow.

[@jasonwiltjer9]

Yep, also nice to have for those acceleration times lol

[@SPARTlATE]

I live in quebec and with a good set of winter tires my RWD model 3 handles snow better than my old AWD volkswagen, just because of how heavy it is, RWD really isnt a problem in the winter unless youre going off road

[@JeffDeWitt]

Thanks for this video. I'll be ordering (and maybe getting) my Tesla sometime in the next few weeks and have really been debating with myself over which one to get. I really like the idea of longer range and AWD, but it seems the range really isn't that much different. The higher end sound system would be nice, but as I mostly listen to audiobooks and old time radio on my 100 mile a day commute the extra sound quality would be lost one me. It's also interesting that apparently the LFP battery is more stable over the long run... I keep my cars for a long time, as in my 2015 Mustang has 255k on it and my Jeep XJ about 600k. And as of the end of November 2023 the difference in price is $7000. I think I'm going to be getting the cheap one!

[@varerkars]

You didn't event mention the performance difference or the sound system between the long range and standard range.

[@moemo1798]

I got it for the AWD. I live in Canada and the snow is a factor

[@middler5212]

Super helpful! Great thoughts and so practical. Thanks!

[@mujjuman]

great video, you are very smart and intelligent. i like your thought process and mindset. you make many great points and arguments. thank you

[@louiepenya]

I think you failed to mention the all wheel drive and how long it takes to charge the same amount of miles. How long does it take the ion battery to charge to 100 from 20% at a v3 super charger?

[@smoovecatpack4353]

I think the biggest thing for me is the performance difference. The standard goes 0-60 in 5.4 while Long Range does 3.7. Big difference.

[@GoodToCU88]

Does the standard range come with upgraded speakers?

[@user--PM]

i would like lfp and awd, wonder how long i will have to wait to get that

[@davidkaplan5517]

Problem is it would be way too heavy.

[@ohmzen9695]

18:55 SNOW!!! Nothing beats AWD in the snow.. not even the best snow tires. If you live in the snow states get AWD long range. My battery looses about 50mile range when it gets around 5 degree or lower. Running the heat also makes the battery drain faster. Super thankful that TESLA now added the door popper on the app. My handles were frozen shut. Would not budge with out damaging the car. Now I can pop my door open and get in my toasty tesla. :) Great car!

[@yordan826]

I'm ordering a SR for daily driving i don’t think the roughly $10K difference is worthy, but that could be my personal situation since i have a new 2022 Acura SUV that’s awesome for long trips. Everyone has different situations so get the one it fits your lifestyle.

[@JJohnson313]

The average person doesn’t do road trips that often, if ever. The longer range model is a better idea if you live in an apartment or someplace that doesn’t have in home charging and you drive in the city mostly. If you’re relying on supercharging then you do need more range day to day before going back to the charging station. It’s not about making it to the next charger while you’re on a road trip, you are just goin about your life in the city and more range is less trips to the charger.

[@JJohnson313]

Also, road trips are only like how you describe in the video because there really isn’t enough chargers. When charges are everywhere like gas stations…it won’t be able surviving long enough to make it to the next charger. You Would just drive until you need power. We are only in this predicament because of the lack of charging stations, not cause this is the best design of charging layouts. This way sucks if we’re being honest.

[@Techridr]

Great points, but you missed the weight advantage: The Standard Range with an average family of 3 inside still weighs less than a completely empty Long Range version. This helps handling, tire wear and however slight, overall charging costs

[@atlmz6]

I got my LR for performance, AWD, range especially during those cold winters. 🥶

[@emalyah732]

When you said "my gas car can go 400 miles", I felt that bc that was the only reason I wanted the LR

[@stevedowler2366]

This is very good detailed info on SR vs LR, thanks for that and many potential as well as existing Tesla owners can learn something. Demographics from Statista show the largest group of the population is from 25 to 40 years of age and the second largest is 50 to 65. Those groups together are the largest and most likely drivers. It makes good vehicle manufacturing sense to target that combined group and Tesla is clearly headed there with the SR Model 3. They will very likely build a Model Y with LFP battery packs as that is proving to be the most popular vehicle in their line. Just some thoughts on where the SR and LFP are headed. Cheers.

[@123willyd]

The title of this was “standard range vs long range” but you didn’t even get into the driving differences. I would think that is a key part of the difference.

[@hmf10797]

You forgot 2 important diferences, mainly applied to cold weather countries: driving on ice/snow, battery performance (affecting the same but you have a larger buffer). Apart from it after 28k driven only once I did a stretch impossible for the SR (400km at 130km/h) and where adding an extra stop would mean a 30 min detour on top of the charging.

[@spencerharvey1410]

In New Zealand the long range is to expensive to qualify for the $8625 clean car discount. So that’s a major factor here.

[@NexusKhan]

How bout the RWD and AWD? Does it impact the driving experience ie spirited driving? Really hope to get some advise cos I'm from Malaysia and it's the first time Tesla has come onto our shores

[@williamwu1985]

how about for those people who do not have a home charger? the SR have to seat at supercharger 30 mins longer everytime every week. because not only you can charge to 100% but you have to charge to 100% every week. so if you do not have home charger, you need spend twice as long at your super charger everyweek

[@Speedsterawesome]

I just bought a 2022 model 3 long range for 15k with a tax credit. The main thing for me is that the stereo did not sound good in the standard range. In the long range it was a huge difference. Plus I regularly do a 120 mile drive and it’s nice to be able to make it there and back home with out having to charge. Since I didn’t have to do that with my gas car.

[@ramiassaf7269]

That’s a great price. 15k after tax rebate? How many miles

[@Speedsterawesome]

@@ramiassaf7269it’s got 101,000

[@wetzel82]

Thankyou I needed to hear this. I’ve driven the Rwd model 3 and the performance and I liked the performance but the rwd was totally enough power for me and the range is plenty but I wanted the performance so that when I say I drive a tesla and people wanna know if it’s fast I can say I beat hellcats. When i’m reality I don’t wanna beat them i don’t need that. A sub 6 second 0-60 is fast enough for me lol it still handles well it still has great power when you’re already rolling. It’s only slower noticeably off the line.

[@rbq19931]

Im considering about about getting a model 3 and I’m torn between the long range and normal. Right now, the difference between them is about ~3 for used ones. I commute from SD to LA quite often and I don’t have a home charger so I think the long range might be better

[@mujjuman]

I think in your case, the LR is better. You can go longer before having to charge, since you cant charge at home. Which one did you end up getting?

[@TheEmrickman]

RWD and LFP battery. Excellent discussion.

[@urbo42]

I ordered a standard range 3 yesterday but decided to splurge on FSD. It will provide enough range for everything I do. I would have preferred a RWD Model Y, but they don't make it RWD anymore and adding FSD to a Model Y that only comes AWD was just too much money. I figure FSD or something like it will be the norm in a few years, so I might as well have the fun of watching it develop. I considered a used RWD Model Y, but it was hard to find FSD and then there was the issue of how the battery had been maintained and the cost of the used cars was about the same as new. I have owned a Volt since 2012 and have no fear of battery failure as it simply has not been an issue, despite all these winters being Canadian. It has been a wonderful car and still works as designed. Tesla is the only company who understands that a holistic approach is the only way forward to electrification.

[@paulz7716]

It's not just about the range, unfortunately. The audio (or as some people call it 'stereo') in LR is much better compared with SR. For some reason Tesla puts premium audio with more speakers into LR. In EU models they also make better noise insulation for LR models - not sure why, and also charging time is faster in LR compared with SR. AWD compared with RWD also makes a huge difference, not just in acceleration - so you pay for a bigger battery, 1 extra engine to power front wheels, much better audio system, etc.

[@baburajanish]

I agree with you and just got a standard range version

[@Rappasta]

im considering the long range only for the better acceleration. at this point in Europe there are chargers EVERYWHERE, so the range is not a problem

[@Peltwerk]

For me the standard range has more range than my Mountain Dew powered bladder. For me the choice of long range was more about the dual motor for the 4WD and the punchier acceleration.

[@deplorablechump8758]

The extra capacity is like the savings account. You save for the rainy days.

[@MihaiR123]

In terms of accelaration does it make a huge diff? I tested a LR in Bern last week, but i feel i need to test the single motor as well. Its 31k - SR and 40k LR - For me, the price difference is quite big, as I want to take the 19 inch wheels as well

[@jasonfranciosa]

The Long Range Model 3 is $11k more, not $5k or $6k. I can not justify spending $11k more for a few extra miles of range and a slightly better sound system. If the Model 3 LR price drops in January and it is only $5-6k difference between the two, then the LR will be a much more compelling option, but there's no way it's worth $11k more.

[@niranjang7245]

Aside from the range i am wondering if AWD makes sense in a place where it snows for around 3 to 4 months in a year..or a set of winter tires be ok? Is it safe for a RWD on snow??

[@grahamleiper1538]

With the LFP the RWD makes a lot of sense. The all wheel drive does come in handy for winter, but not sure it's worth the extra these days. It is quicker though, and charges quicker.

[@JohnnyJolt]

For me it was the AWD vs the RWD. I live in Canada and the RWD model is available. My second criteria is the batteries are made in China, some in Germany.

[@M99-h3e]

does the SR will get the same feature? like same numbers of speakers? does it come with fog lights? was just curious I know we know that a lot of features have been taken out everytime if a new Year model comes out like the Sensors on the bumpers etc.

[@UsualSuspect404]

Excellent video! I do my Tesla test drive next week. I am considering M3SR or M3P for the $10K+. The idea of 0-60 in 3 secs is very appealing but probably not very practical for me. My driving style is basically "Old Guy" for the most part. I work from home. I do take multiple road trips a year. The appealing points on SR are LFP battery, RWD, 400lbs less, more efficient & the cost. I guess the test drive will help me make my decision? Coming out of a 13 yr old Camry V6...which I "thought" was pretty peppy! haha

[@MrKarmap]

Just curious why are you sitting on the passenger seat does it save the battery that way

[@davidkaplan5517]

@@TailosiveEV you should look into the steering wheel desks.

[@karmatologist]

How bad is this standard range battery in cold weather? If it’s really bad I’d be screwed in winter time.

[@OrganicStuff1]

I couldn’t do standard range on the east coast because I drive too much and the winter kills the battery

[@davidkaplan5517]

You’re driving over 125 miles/day? Even accounting for over 50% winter range loss the ability to charge to 100% daily solves these issues. The inefficiency in winter is not specific to SR and you’ll waste money in winter paying for never used range on all models.

[@MOBMJ]

working at Tesla I get asked this question all the time and I tell people the same thing all the time. I matters on your needs and how much you drive. which really annoys people some times, because they thing its a on site fits all thing. the standard range, as most of us know it can be charged to 100% every day so 270 miles, yes maybe more or less depending on wheels and weather and performance. the long range you only get about 80% of the charge since you should charge past that to about 350 again maybe more or less. so from a financial stand point you are only paying like $7K to $10K more for 50-80 extra miles. yes I know there more features and I good be off on the milage but again, this is a big financial decision. Also how much do you want a performance rather than a long range of standard range. and don't forget a performance will use up your tiers more. that the end its a performance model and we know they will use them up more and you are paying up a lot more for it. before I started working at Tesla I also though I should get a long range instead of standard but now I know. I also though I'd rather see miles on my car rather then the % but I really like the % better now. So again its all about choices and prioritizing what you need.

[@pandakso3365]

Does this mean you have to stop 13 times between Fort Worth and Denison Texas if it charges you up to the next station

[@erickayson588]

We sold our Tesla. One thing I really miss are the conversations with other Tesla owners at the Supercharger.

[@227MacWC]

Standard range all the way, but it has to have LFP. The fact I can change to 100% everyday is a game changer. I wouldn’t get a SR if it was a NCA battery.

[@davidkaplan5517]

What if it could accelerate under 5 seconds

[@alternatereality7713]

​@@davidkaplan5517 I am don't care about teenagers in Chargers... They can do their racing elsewhere.

[@davidkaplan5517]

@@alternatereality7713 that made sense

[@227MacWC]

@@davidkaplan5517 acceleration is sweet. But I prefer efficiency personally. At though I do plan on buying a Model Y performance soon so that’ll satisfy my performance needs.

[@sdm107]

I’m considering buying a used model 3 standard RWD. Do they all come with iron phosphate batteries?

[@wreckinball11]

If Tesla made a LFP AWD it would be good for me.

[@davidkaplan5517]

They’re too heavy. You’d be accelerating to 60 in 7 seconds.

[@jonathanmillar7205]

Totally agree. I opted for the SR+ which in the uk has a 305 mile range and it’s more than enough for all of my needs. I initially did order the LR for pretty much the same thoughts you mention but I cancelled and reordered the RWD and it was by far the most sensible decision. Yes 1.6 seconds faster to 60 would be fun but in the real world usage how often do you need to do that? Certainly not for £7k more. 👍

[@mrpauly01]

Wow, how do you get that type of mileage from your SR? I only get 200 at best and can only charge up to 244 miles…