The Bingo Paradox: 3× more likely to win

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@dibbydoda
@dibbydoda 3 ай бұрын
5:22 not the first time Matt has ignored the diagonals in a square grid like this
@deleted-something
@deleted-something 3 ай бұрын
Lfmao
@52flyingbicycles
@52flyingbicycles 3 ай бұрын
Wah wah wah
@I_Love_Learning
@I_Love_Learning 3 ай бұрын
@@deleted-something Lfmao?
@inthegame1865
@inthegame1865 3 ай бұрын
A diagonal acts the same as a horizontal
@backwashjoe7864
@backwashjoe7864 3 ай бұрын
😂
@Dysiode
@Dysiode 3 ай бұрын
Fun fact about bestseller lists, they're based on the *number of books sold to bookstores* not the number of books bought by individuals, so a lot of it comes down to the publishers convincing bookstores that a given book will sell well so they should buy more of them. Really a truly bizarre system. Edit: Note, I'm not saying the book isn't good, just highlighting one of the many ways companies lie and deceive by omission
@LeoMRogers
@LeoMRogers 3 ай бұрын
So I guess we should only pay attention to books which stay bestsellers for multiple weeks, because that at least demonstrates that the booksellers did sell enough of them to justify buying the same amount the next week.
@88porpoise
@88porpoise 3 ай бұрын
Much like the analysis in this video, it is simplified for practical reasons. They are also pretty easily gamed. Some books, particularly books by celebrities or political people are commonly bought by the author's agents etc to pump them up the best sellers list and then often given away.
@327efrain
@327efrain 3 ай бұрын
Interesting, cuz he did say he committed to a large amount of first editions so I wonder how that effected his placement on this list
@Romashka_Sov
@Romashka_Sov 3 ай бұрын
​@@LeoMRogersnah, this would work only if everyone knows how "best selling" works. There always will be people who think "bestsellers are about how many people bought" Just don't bother if you see a bestseller on the cover, buy things you potentially might like instead
@Phriedah
@Phriedah 3 ай бұрын
I'm just going to point out that the third book on the list (under Matt's) is simply called "MILF"
@tehbertl7926
@tehbertl7926 3 ай бұрын
Glad to see people are actually getting Bingos on this video. I wouldn't have put it past Matt Parker to generate 10,000 "random" bingo cards and plan this video out in such a way that you are always JUST one square shy of a Bingo.
@timparenti
@timparenti 3 ай бұрын
Ah yes, a Parker bingo.
@cadekachelmeier7251
@cadekachelmeier7251 3 ай бұрын
That would be a great prank for a bingo game. You could choose 5 numbers to remove from the tumbler. Then print cards where the 5 numbers block every row, column, and diagonal. There are a lot of ways to arrange it, so it wouldn't even be very obvious. Then everyone would win at the same time on the 71st draw if they didn't start a riot already.
@AdmiralJota
@AdmiralJota 3 ай бұрын
I was expecting him to have either done that *or* to have found a way to include all seventy-five things in this one video.
@lifeisboss7097
@lifeisboss7097 3 ай бұрын
694 is one off in 3 places :3 (interestingly one is vertical which is what you would expect w/ a 1:2.8 ratio i guess?)
@Night_Hawk_475
@Night_Hawk_475 3 ай бұрын
I got two parker bingos on my card :c (card# 04750) 2nd collumn, just missing "Matt catches something" - I need to rewatch for just this but I didn't notice it and 4th row, just missing "Special remix of the theme music" - there's a couple bits of different music but they don't seem related to the theme.
@MunyuShizumi
@MunyuShizumi 3 ай бұрын
This video has taught me that I had absolutely no idea how bingo cards are actually constructed.
@joshyoung1440
@joshyoung1440 2 ай бұрын
Same, but I wouldn't (or I should say don't) worry, cause "proof by turning it over" teaches us that even Matt thought the same way lol
@tedonica
@tedonica 2 ай бұрын
yeah as soon as he said that the bingo card is oriented I knew what the proof would be.
@quillaja
@quillaja 2 ай бұрын
It taught me that bingo cards are constructed stupidly.
@rogerwattenhofer
@rogerwattenhofer 2 ай бұрын
I think it depends. Where I live, the card is not even square.
@Squant
@Squant Ай бұрын
@@quillaja If only you were better at maths, maybe you'd be able to figure out why it's actually quite smart and very intentional.
@Littlepetey
@Littlepetey 3 ай бұрын
Bingo! I got all the earliest possible wins already at 01:39. I won simultaneously with the following 4 plates: 1935 at row 1, with 01, 06, 09, 12, 13 2635 at row 3, with 01, 03, 08, 10, 13 6277 at row 0, with 00, 03, 08, 11, 13 9628 at row 2, with 01, 11, 12, 13 These are the assumed matches: 00: 'Matt's books in the background' at 00:00 01: 'Regular polygon visible in video' at 00:00 02: 'New object on the shelves in the studio' at 00:00 03: 'Matt is wearing a blue t-shirt' at 00:00 04: 'Matt's coffee mug isn't facing branding-side out' at 00:00 05: 'Sports-related video' at 00:00 (Questionable) 06: 'Stock video effect' at 00:03 07: 'Matt interacts with on-screen graphics' at 00:05 08: 'Shout out to patreon supporters' at 00:11 09: 'Matt credits a viewer for doing something better than he can' at 00:11 10: 'More detail included in description' at 00:21 11: 'Instruction to write something in a comment' at 00:42 12: '"Ridiculous"' at 01:14 13: 'Matt mentions his book' at 01:39 14: 'Prop appears from under table' at 01:40 15: 'Unboxing or unpackaging an object' at 02:23 (Questionable) 16: 'Multiple Matts on-screen' at 02:30 17: 'Matt catches something' at 04:03 (Questionable) 18: 'Whiteboard' at 04:58 19: 'Time lapse' at 05:01 20: 'Printed research paper used as a prop' at 06:54 21: 'Terrible python code' at 07:34 22: 'Number larger than 10^10 used in video' at 09:53 23: '"Maths!"' at 11:00 24: 'Future matt' at 14:55 25: 'Past matt' at 15:08 26: 'Matt has a drink of coffee' at 15:50 27: 'Spreadsheets' at 22:48 28: 'Skylab appears on camera' at 22:58 29: 'Bad pun' at 25:13 30: 'Matt is standing up' at 27:30 31: 'Camera person Alex mentioned' at 30:05 32: 'Producer Nicole mentioned' at 30:06 33: 'A problem squared mentioned' at 30:12 I did also get all the other 1070 possible non-questionable wins. These are the first 100 of them, with horizontal or vertical matches (matches do not appear in the order on the plate) 1935: row 1, with 01, 06, 09, 12, 13 2635: row 3, with 01, 03, 08, 10, 13 6277: row 0, with 00, 03, 08, 11, 13 9628: row 2, with 01, 11, 12, 13 0633: row 2, with 00, 09, 13, 14 1764: row 2, with 00, 11, 13, 14 3072: row 3, with 00, 04, 08, 13, 14 0197: row 2, with 10, 12, 13, 16 2500: row 2, with 10, 12, 13, 16 5247: row 2, with 07, 11, 13, 16 5838: row 2, with 11, 12, 13, 16 6180: row 2, with 07, 09, 13, 16 7827: row 4, with 06, 10, 12, 13, 16 8406: row 3, with 07, 08, 10, 13, 16 0052: row 2, with 01, 07, 13, 18 1108: col 0, with 04, 09, 10, 11, 18 1236: col 0, with 04, 09, 10, 11, 18 1368: col 0, with 04, 09, 10, 11, 18 6178: col 0, with 04, 09, 10, 11, 18 8736: row 1, with 01, 07, 08, 13, 18 9917: col 0, with 04, 09, 10, 11, 18 0196: row 0, with 02, 07, 16, 18, 19 1435: row 4, with 08, 12, 16, 18, 19 2116: row 2, with 00, 03, 18, 19 2364: row 2, with 00, 07, 18, 19 2674: row 4, with 01, 03, 06, 18, 19 3296: row 4, with 02, 03, 04, 16, 19 3438: row 0, with 01, 06, 11, 14, 19 3609: row 2, with 00, 12, 18, 19 4193: row 2, with 01, 07, 09, 19 4257: row 2, with 01, 04, 14, 19 4502: row 2, with 14, 16, 18, 19 4576: row 0, with 01, 03, 04, 06, 19 5214: row 2, with 10, 14, 16, 19 5375: row 4, with 00, 02, 04, 14, 19 5387: row 3, with 02, 11, 14, 16, 19 5687: row 4, with 02, 11, 12, 16, 19 6217: row 2, with 01, 03, 10, 19 7173: row 2, with 03, 10, 16, 19 7555: row 1, with 01, 03, 06, 11, 19 8344: row 3, with 00, 06, 10, 12, 19 8985: row 2, with 01, 03, 11, 19 9440: row 3, with 00, 08, 09, 12, 19 0162: row 2, with 07, 09, 19, 20 6159: row 4, with 08, 12, 13, 18, 20 6771: row 2, with 12, 18, 19, 20 7422: row 0, with 02, 10, 14, 19, 20 8057: row 4, with 02, 03, 04, 13, 20 8177: row 3, with 04, 06, 07, 19, 20 8304: row 1, with 08, 14, 18, 19, 20 0662: row 1, with 01, 06, 11, 12, 21 0690: row 3, with 06, 12, 16, 18, 21 1029: row 2, with 00, 07, 10, 21 1050: row 2, with 00, 07, 18, 21 1280: row 0, with 00, 03, 06, 11, 21 1513: row 1, with 01, 08, 14, 18, 21 1567: row 2, with 01, 09, 12, 21 1805: row 2, with 10, 14, 16, 21 1903: row 2, with 04, 12, 16, 21 2170: row 2, with 03, 11, 20, 21 2171: row 2, with 01, 04, 12, 21 2346: row 2, with 01, 09, 14, 21 2903: row 2, with 07, 11, 16, 21 3358: row 2, with 09, 14, 20, 21 3465: row 2, with 10, 14, 20, 21 3608: row 2, with 03, 04, 16, 21 4031: row 2, with 00, 11, 14, 21 4616: row 2, with 03, 04, 20, 21 4758: row 1, with 01, 06, 07, 10, 21 5198: row 0, with 00, 02, 07, 18, 21 5868: row 2, with 01, 10, 12, 21 6003: row 3, with 00, 07, 08, 11, 21 6624: row 2, with 09, 14, 16, 21 6665: row 1, with 03, 06, 11, 20, 21 7497: row 3, with 00, 06, 11, 12, 21 9362: row 0, with 08, 11, 14, 16, 21 9665: row 0, with 07, 08, 18, 20, 21 9684: row 2, with 00, 09, 12, 21 9893: row 2, with 03, 10, 16, 21 0095: row 2, with 01, 04, 14, 22 0541: row 2, with 04, 07, 16, 22 1083: row 2, with 07, 16, 18, 22 1213: row 4, with 06, 14, 16, 18, 22 1763: row 1, with 02, 03, 11, 20, 22 2515: row 2, with 07, 10, 16, 22 2695: row 2, with 01, 12, 18, 22 2919: row 4, with 00, 04, 08, 14, 22 3850: row 2, with 03, 16, 18, 22 4118: row 2, with 03, 11, 20, 22 4555: row 4, with 06, 12, 18, 20, 22 5204: row 3, with 00, 02, 10, 12, 22 5307: row 2, with 04, 12, 16, 22 5538: row 4, with 03, 06, 11, 20, 22 5917: row 2, with 07, 11, 20, 22 6108: row 2, with 01, 04, 12, 22 6313: row 1, with 03, 08, 09, 20, 22 6478: row 1, with 00, 02, 03, 10, 22 7410: row 3, with 04, 07, 08, 16, 22 7411: row 0, with 03, 08, 09, 16, 22 7412: row 2, with 00, 09, 14, 22 The column/row ratio is as follows - 294 : 776 Here are the first 50 wins, if you include the questionable matches 1935: row 1, with 01, 06, 09, 12, 13 2635: row 3, with 01, 03, 08, 10, 13 6277: row 0, with 00, 03, 08, 11, 13 6900: row 2, with (Q)05, 07, 11, 13 8794: row 1, with 02, (Q)05, 07, 09, 13 8963: row 4, with 02, 03, (Q)05, 10, 13 9628: row 2, with 01, 11, 12, 13 0078: row 3, with 02, 04, (Q)05, 13, 14 0633: row 2, with 00, 09, 13, 14 1764: row 2, with 00, 11, 13, 14 3072: row 3, with 00, 04, 08, 13, 14 4084: row 2, with (Q)05, 10, 13, 14 0013: row 0, with 01, 08, 10, 14, (Q)15 0075: row 1, with 00, 08, 09, 12, (Q)15 1415: row 2, with (Q)05, 07, 09, (Q)15 1636: row 2, with 01, 03, 10, (Q)15 3699: row 2, with (Q)05, 07, 10, (Q)15 4665: row 2, with 03, (Q)05, 09, (Q)15 5228: row 3, with 02, 04, (Q)05, 14, (Q)15 5963: row 2, with 01, 11, 14, (Q)15 6050: row 0, with 04, (Q)05, 08, 14, (Q)15 6198: row 3, with 01, 08, 11, 14, (Q)15 7062: row 1, with 00, 02, 10, 12, (Q)15 7544: row 1, with 03, (Q)05, 06, 09, (Q)15 8253: row 2, with 01, 03, 04, (Q)15 8829: row 2, with 00, 04, 12, (Q)15 0197: row 2, with 10, 12, 13, 16 0781: row 4, with 02, 03, 09, (Q)15, 16 2151: row 4, with 02, 03, 09, (Q)15, 16 2320: row 2, with 03, 11, (Q)15, 16 2500: row 2, with 10, 12, 13, 16 5247: row 2, with 07, 11, 13, 16 5838: row 2, with 11, 12, 13, 16 5931: row 2, with 03, 04, (Q)15, 16 6180: row 2, with 07, 09, 13, 16 7827: row 4, with 06, 10, 12, 13, 16 8406: row 3, with 07, 08, 10, 13, 16 8800: row 0, with 03, 04, 08, (Q)15, 16 1024: row 0, with 02, 04, 14, (Q)15, (Q)17 1223: row 2, with 09, 12, (Q)15, (Q)17 2073: row 2, with 03, 04, 13, (Q)17 2825: col 1, with 00, 01, (Q)05, 16, (Q)17 3004: row 2, with 03, 11, (Q)15, (Q)17 3579: col 1, with 00, 01, (Q)05, 16, (Q)17 3895: row 2, with 11, 12, 13, (Q)17 4890: row 2, with 03, 04, (Q)15, (Q)17 5171: row 2, with 03, 11, (Q)15, (Q)17 6966: row 2, with 09, 13, 14, (Q)17 7257: row 2, with 09, 13, 14, (Q)17 7385: row 4, with 08, 10, 13, 14, (Q)17 Including the questionable wins, there are 1964 bingo plates with a full row or column If there are any matches i missed, please do tell! (Yes i gave it a go and wrote some terrible python code!)
@bradwilliamson6053
@bradwilliamson6053 3 ай бұрын
Wow! Impressed by this data! The speed of which you gathered the cards, identified the timestamps, and produced the results is simply amazing! Respect! The bingo cards that stands out to me would be any of them with bingo on rows or columns in 3 or 4 using your index. (Bingo sheets 643, 3473, 3988) What do these sheets have in common? Timestamp 5:00. I believe Matt & team intentionally sandbagged the “G” and “O” columns and also the last two rows to not bingo. Why? Maybe to more quickly identify those false positives. What you identified as a “stock video effect” at timestamp 5:00 (maybe something the term overlooked- time lapse) I’m guessing it was not a stock feature on their mind. If we exclude that, I believe it is an impossibility to bingo in column or row 3 or 4. Nice work!
@Littlepetey
@Littlepetey 3 ай бұрын
​​@@bradwilliamson6053 Thanks! Edit: DISCLAIMER - this is with old data (fewer matches) Also, quite an interestering theory. Yes, if i remove "stock video effect" i do indeed only get results in rows and columns 0-2. Interestingly this also changes the ratio to column/row - 51 : 36, which is even more opposite to what's taught in the video. I'm though not sure if Matt would do that on purpose. It seems very specific, and could just be chance? But of course you never know with Matt. But there are also other stock video effects, I've changed to now use the "image sliding in" effect at 00:03.
@lazy_gamer
@lazy_gamer 3 ай бұрын
would it be possible for you to also include diagonal bingos?
@Littlepetey
@Littlepetey 3 ай бұрын
@@lazy_gamer Sure. I can't make my post that long though (10000 character limit it appears?), so here are diagonal wins sorted by completion time: 2632: diagonal from top left times: 00:00, 00:42, 01:40, 01:40 4841: diagonal from top left times: 00:00, 00:11, 01:40, 01:40 1952: diagonal from top left times: 00:42, 01:40, 01:40, 06:54 415: diagonal from top left times: 00:11, 01:40, 02:30, 07:34 4377: diagonal from top left times: 01:40, 02:30, 04:58, 07:34 5544: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 04:58, 06:54, 07:34 6825: diagonal from top left times: 00:00, 00:42, 01:40, 07:34 8555: diagonal from top left times: 00:00, 00:42, 01:40, 07:34 9785: diagonal from top right times: 00:00, 00:42, 01:40, 07:34 2088: diagonal from top right times: 00:11, 01:40, 06:54, 10:58 2190: diagonal from top right times: 00:00, 00:42, 01:40, 10:58 6532: diagonal from top right times: 00:42, 01:40, 06:54, 10:58 6856: diagonal from top right times: 00:00, 01:40, 04:58, 10:58 2122: diagonal from top left times: 01:40, 01:40, 02:30, 14:55 3460: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 06:54, 10:58, 14:55 8210: diagonal from top left times: 01:40, 01:40, 06:54, 14:55 563: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 06:54, 10:58, 15:00 1365: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 02:30, 10:58, 15:00 1462: diagonal from top right times: 00:00, 01:40, 10:58, 15:00 3684: diagonal from top left times: 00:00, 01:40, 07:34, 15:00 5530: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 01:40, 06:54, 15:00 8092: diagonal from top left times: 00:00, 01:40, 07:34, 15:00 9651: diagonal from top right times: 00:00, 01:40, 01:40, 15:00 3280: diagonal from top left times: 01:40, 07:34, 15:00, 15:08 4327: diagonal from top left times: 00:42, 01:40, 10:58, 15:08 8317: diagonal from top left times: 00:11, 01:40, 10:58, 15:08 933: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 04:58, 07:34, 15:50 2574: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 04:58, 10:58, 15:50 4510: diagonal from top right times: 00:11, 01:40, 07:34, 15:50 5602: diagonal from top left times: 00:42, 01:40, 01:40, 15:50 8859: diagonal from top left times: 00:11, 01:40, 10:58, 15:50 9751: diagonal from top left times: 01:40, 10:58, 14:55, 15:50 1907: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 02:30, 15:00, 16:03 2058: diagonal from top right times: 00:00, 00:11, 01:40, 16:03 2279: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 14:55, 15:08, 16:03 2333: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 02:30, 04:58, 16:03 2422: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 14:55, 15:50, 16:03 3450: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 04:58, 06:54, 16:03 4037: diagonal from top left times: 00:42, 01:40, 15:50, 16:03 5010: diagonal from top left times: 00:00, 01:40, 04:58, 16:03 5146: diagonal from top left times: 00:42, 01:40, 06:54, 16:03 5409: diagonal from top left times: 01:40, 04:58, 06:54, 16:03 5713: diagonal from top left times: 00:42, 01:40, 02:30, 16:03 8420: diagonal from top right times: 00:11, 01:40, 15:50, 16:03 9848: diagonal from top left times: 00:00, 01:40, 04:58, 16:03 1368: diagonal from top left times: 01:40, 04:58, 07:34, 30:06 1990: diagonal from top left times: 00:11, 01:40, 16:03, 30:06 2771: diagonal from top left times: 00:42, 01:40, 10:58, 30:06 3947: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 01:40, 15:00, 30:06 46: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 02:30, 10:58, 30:12 242: diagonal from top right times: 00:00, 01:40, 07:34, 30:12 1580: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 10:58, 15:50, 30:12 2121: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 01:40, 15:50, 30:12 3042: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 01:40, 15:08, 30:12 4280: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 15:08, 16:03, 30:12 4330: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 06:54, 07:34, 30:12 4332: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 10:58, 15:08, 30:12 5664: diagonal from top left times: 01:40, 07:34, 30:06, 30:12 6060: diagonal from top left times: 01:40, 02:30, 16:03, 30:12 6348: diagonal from top left times: 01:40, 07:34, 15:50, 30:12 6731: diagonal from top left times: 01:40, 01:40, 15:08, 30:12 7341: diagonal from top right times: 00:00, 01:40, 07:34, 30:12 7428: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 15:08, 16:03, 30:12 7558: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 02:30, 16:03, 30:12 8485: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 10:58, 30:06, 30:12 8939: diagonal from top left times: 00:00, 01:40, 07:34, 30:12 9177: diagonal from top right times: 01:40, 15:50, 16:03, 30:12 That's a total of 67 possible diagonal wins.
@Lainfan
@Lainfan 3 ай бұрын
Props on this data! Helped me check off another one on my card, but still no bingo haha
@qandrshow-m7k
@qandrshow-m7k 3 ай бұрын
"Proof by turning it over" is the best math proof I've heard.
@NStripleseven
@NStripleseven 3 ай бұрын
Proof by… just… 🔄
@keithwinget6521
@keithwinget6521 3 ай бұрын
Also how to prove a car starts.
@TheDavidlloydjones
@TheDavidlloydjones 3 ай бұрын
And SunPup, it was invented by the machine -- not by the humans who programmed the machine. Yet here Joe2501 is trying to tell us the sciences are not magic... Sheesh!
@nicholasvinen
@nicholasvinen 3 ай бұрын
If you turn it over you'd be looking at the blank side, wouldn't you? He rotated it by a quarter of tau, he didn't turn it over!
@dielaughing73
@dielaughing73 3 ай бұрын
It's a Parker Turnover (which means partially turning it around)
@andrew.
@andrew. 3 ай бұрын
Tested this by playing bingo with my 75! closest friends and its true
@AttenuatedNecronym
@AttenuatedNecronym 3 ай бұрын
Reminds me of a mol of moles in the what if comics by Randall Monroe.
@OriginalPiMan
@OriginalPiMan 3 ай бұрын
You only needed a quadrillion or so friends.
@GeneralMattimo
@GeneralMattimo 3 ай бұрын
​@@OriginalPiMan Yeah but he's not an introvert
@robertjenkins6132
@robertjenkins6132 3 ай бұрын
You mean your [(15 choose 5)⁴ × (15 choose 4)]−1 friends. (according to Matt[note1]) 75! is the number of possible drawing sequences for the 75 numbers; the max number of bingo cards is less.[note1] note1: Actually, would it not be (15 choose 5)⁴ × (15 choose 4) × (5!)⁴ × 4!, because once you choose x numbers for a column, you can then order the numbers in the column x! ways to get Bingo card that are different? Am I wrong? Wolfram Alpha reports 552 septillion, which is still less than 75!.
@commonpepe2270
@commonpepe2270 3 ай бұрын
imagine being someone's 75!th best friend
@AndreasHoffmann-y1f
@AndreasHoffmann-y1f 3 ай бұрын
He totally forgot to mention the paradox: For each individual bingo-sheet, the chance for a horizontal line is the same as for a vertical one. But if you play against other people, the chance of someone's horizontal row winning first increases. Up to 73% when you play against all the other existing bingo cards.
@CrimVulgar
@CrimVulgar 3 ай бұрын
Yeah exactly - people are saying it's entirely intuitive when you know the distribution, but it's incredibly dependent on the parameters of the paper. As they themselves state, their simulation of 1,000 cards only got to 2:1. Intuition takes us in two different-but-similarly-wrong directions here, very cool.
@yoostcool6889
@yoostcool6889 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for this comment, the video made no sense at all to me
@irgyn
@irgyn 3 ай бұрын
now *that* is a cool fact
@kingoftherevolution4855
@kingoftherevolution4855 3 ай бұрын
After being given the premise I thought about this for like 3 minutes said oh it's not the odds of your bingo card getting a horizontal versus vertical first it's the odds of whoever gets done first having that and that person can make anyone and then I unpause the video and he says that immediately
@gazzoman
@gazzoman 3 ай бұрын
It's strange how P(H) and P(V) change with n. Intuitively I'd expect that if 1000 cards are playing, the probability of a vertical win becomes higher than horizontal.
@glitchrr36
@glitchrr36 3 ай бұрын
Bingo on 1296 at 22:49. Diagonal consisting of “Instructed to write something in a comment,” “Printed Research Paper Appears As Prop,” Null, “Spreadsheets,” and “Number larger than 10^10”. I’m counting the table as a spreadsheet.
@Sinoxa2
@Sinoxa2 3 ай бұрын
Diagonal is described in this video as not being a win condition.
@ChakatStormCloud
@ChakatStormCloud 3 ай бұрын
@@Sinoxa2 No, they said they're not including in the calculations for simplicity's sake. It's still a win condition.
@melpomeneb-smith3955
@melpomeneb-smith3955 2 ай бұрын
@@ChakatStormCloud I don't think it's salient anyway -- a diagonal is necessarily just a special kind of horizontal (because if anyone in our arbitrarily large bingo hall has it as a diagonal, someone has it as a horizontal)
@dwydeezdundoon
@dwydeezdundoon Ай бұрын
22:49 i had the exact same time but with 387. whiteboard, matt fakes a surprise realization, null, spreadsheets and matt mentions his book
@aziidio
@aziidio 3 ай бұрын
Bingo card number 2492 wins at the last possible moment, as at the very end of the video cameraperson Alex and A Problem Squared are both mentioned. Honestly, that outro felt like it was placed there specifically to make this precise bingo card win at the very end, kind of incredible.
@Paint_The_Future
@Paint_The_Future 3 ай бұрын
Bingo Card number 118: 0:00 NULL 1:40 Matt mentions his book 1:50 Prop appears from under table 11:00 "Maths!" (I decided "It's Maths!" is also acceptable.) 14:55 Future Matt 26:47 Timelapse 30:06 Cameraperson Alex mentioned No bingo.
@clairespivak2953
@clairespivak2953 3 ай бұрын
Full receipts!!! Well documented!!
@daveslamjam
@daveslamjam 3 ай бұрын
what about coffee?
@tsawy6
@tsawy6 3 ай бұрын
​@@daveslamjamone imagines not on they card
@miladv6
@miladv6 3 ай бұрын
16:03 There was an earlier timelapse
@zahidshabir4038
@zahidshabir4038 3 ай бұрын
@@miladv6 There was an even earlier one than this where he drew the bingo card on the whiteboard but I don't want to go back and find it and I know it's earlier as I have only seen 10 minutes
@keithwinget6521
@keithwinget6521 3 ай бұрын
16:50 Aren't you forgetting that any of those other pulls can be from column O, but not contributing to the specific row which wins? After all, exactly 5 of the 10 pulls do not contribute in this case. There's no special reason 3 of them can't also be from column O, unless I have missed something terribly obvious. To summarize, I believe the statement, "That has to be the first O that appears, because it's completing that row." Is false, because other O's can appear which do not complete that row before the winning one does. That said, since your distributions aren't ordered by specific column when you lay them out, I see no reason to believe this actually affects the maths proceeding it.
@MGSchmahl
@MGSchmahl 3 ай бұрын
You forgot the early assumption that every possible bingo card is in play. As soon as there is a number from each set picked, a bingo is possible somewhere.
@Vin_tage14
@Vin_tage14 3 ай бұрын
@@MGSchmahlI was wondering the same thing that seems to make sense
@Felix4Gaming
@Felix4Gaming 3 ай бұрын
If every sheet is in place, then we would never reach 75 draws. So the rest of the math would be wrong. You would only be able to 'shade' a 16 squares before you have to pick a winning square on the grid.
@Felix4Gaming
@Felix4Gaming 3 ай бұрын
Ah haha that's literally mentioned right after I posted this
@LlywellynOBrien
@LlywellynOBrien 3 ай бұрын
​​@@MGSchmahlI kept becoming confused, remembering this, forgetting it and becoming confused again. Like four cycles of the same realisation.
@tylerachase
@tylerachase 3 ай бұрын
"How can that be?" "Oh they're not uniformly distributed."
@Thomas-uc4sg
@Thomas-uc4sg 3 ай бұрын
I've never played actually bingo before, so I was really confused until I looked it up and found that this is how people, at least a considerable amount, actually play bingo
@texasranger7687
@texasranger7687 3 ай бұрын
​@@Thomas-uc4sg3 row of 10 number is the true bingo
@DutchDread
@DutchDread 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, the moment I discovered vertical was pulling from a pool of 15 while horizontal was pulling from a pool of 75 this one became intuitively obvious
@jonathangjertsen3450
@jonathangjertsen3450 3 ай бұрын
Yes. Not an interesting problem
@FineDesignVideos
@FineDesignVideos 3 ай бұрын
It still is quite interesting. If I give you a bingo card and start drawing random numbers, it is equally likely for your first bingo to be horizontal as it is to be vertical. Yet in a tournament, it is more likely for the winner's bingo to be horizontal. I don't know if I missed it or if he just didn't mention this intriguing fact.
@mark20044
@mark20044 3 ай бұрын
Matt sitting down to crank out some jpegs: ✋Number the bingo cards 0000 - 9999 👉Number the bingo cards 00001 - 10000
@drewmiddleton9715
@drewmiddleton9715 2 ай бұрын
Always appreciate more clarifications but just a random data point for you, I wasn't confused, it made sense that the calculation had just begun after the "odds of vert vs hor if the winner wins after five balls only" calc
@NiddNetworks
@NiddNetworks 3 ай бұрын
The square bingo card with B-I-N-G-O and 1-75 tends to be known as "American" bingo. "English" bingo uses 1-90, and the cards are a 3x9 grid with 1-10, 11-20, 21-30 etc. Wins only for horizontal, or a "full house" - all numbers on a card. Further to that, the single "cards" are in "sheets" of several of the 3x9 cards (it's 5 or 6 from memory) - and EVERY number is on the whole sheet once - so if you bought a "sheet" for a game, you would always check off EVERY number. Of course, you'd only WIN if you matched a horizontal line. So there you go - obviously somewhat of a different game - and mathematically TOTALLY different!!
@frankieking1941
@frankieking1941 3 ай бұрын
If I remember correctly, the game Matt is playing is called Pongo. There use to be rows of machines in seaside arcades,
@ProjectNumbers
@ProjectNumbers 3 ай бұрын
6 cards on a sheet. 15 numbers per card. 3 rows as you said, with 5 per row.
@sanabas1
@sanabas1 3 ай бұрын
Used to call bingo in australia, and we used this style. Each sheet had all 90 numbers in 6 groups of 15, each group of 15 in 3x5. Minor prize for first to get a line of 5, major prize for first to get a set of 15. Usually 30 rounds over 2-2.5 hours, a book of 25 + 5 individual rounds with larger prizes. 5 regular book games, then the special called at a slower pace, then 5 more book games, etc. With the final special round being very slowly called and for the large jackpot prize. usually around 50-60 numbers called before someone had a set of 15. The two 'paradoxes' involved were first, that there were only 1000 distributions printed, the special sheets came in blocks of 1000. So if it was very busy, there might be more than 1000 sheets sold for the jackpot round, and those buying at the very end got the same sheets as those buying at the very start. Which meant that very occasionally, 2 people with an identical sheet would win. And second, unlike most gambling, if you played long enough you'd almost certainly end up ahead, as the payout was normally more than 100%. Sometimes close to 200% if really quiet. Because this was in a club, and everything the club did, from regular bingo to restaurant specials, was run to encourage people to enter the club and use the poker machines. The 15-minute half time break and 30-45 minutes between sessions would see a big chunk of the bingo winnings poured straight back into the pokies. More than enough to offset the direct losses of a payout above 100%, plus to pay the staff to run it.
3 ай бұрын
I've just commented that the traditional game I've always played is 3 rows with 5 numbers per row. And yes, we also play with a set of 6 cards that has the whole set of 90 numbers and we play to make first a line and then a 15 numbers card. ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinto_(joc)#/media/Fitxer:Jugadors_de_Quintu.jpg Edit: Hell! I've just counted the holes on his own Bingo «machine» and it has NINETY holes!!!! So, he knows the real game has 90 numbers! He's been lying to us and he knows it!
@Wishbone1977
@Wishbone1977 3 ай бұрын
Yes, this is Bingo as I know it here in Denmark (although we call it Banko). This 5x5 and 1-75 system is completely unknown to me. I was not even aware that alternative Bingo systems existed. One slight difference here from what you describe: You can win on both a single row, two rows (on the same card), or a full card. When the game begins, numbers are drawn until someone gets a single row. The row is checked, and if valid the player gets a prize. Then the game continues until someone gets two rows (on a single card), and the same thing happens again, with a bigger prize. Then the game continues until someone gets a whole card, and the winner gets a big prize, often a gift basket of some sort. Then everyone clears their cards, and the game starts over. We don't usually use markers to make permanent marks on the cards, but use small semi-transparent plastic tokens to put on the numbers instead. This means that the numbers can be checked without removing the tokens, and that the cards can be reused. Sometimes in fancier Bingo games there are also "side prizes", which are smaller prizes for the people who happen to sit next to the winner on either side.
@beliasphyre3497
@beliasphyre3497 3 ай бұрын
Next up, Matt pulls out the numbers 1 through 75 in order in one continuous take.
@hughcaldwell1034
@hughcaldwell1034 3 ай бұрын
Sounds more like Derren Brown.
@TheSkepticSkwerl
@TheSkepticSkwerl 3 ай бұрын
This isn't v sauce
@BartSliggers
@BartSliggers 3 ай бұрын
Dream could do this, and claim it was all skill with a bit of luck.
@emilyrln
@emilyrln 3 ай бұрын
And then he releases the full footage of him spending 2.480914e+109 times the length of a number pull in order to create that perfect sequence 😂
@Anohaxer
@Anohaxer 3 ай бұрын
@@emilyrln That's not actually guaranteed to happen at all in that time. Could be that he gets the same, invalid sequence infinitely many times and never hits it. Could be he hits it on the first. That's the number of choices. The probability of hitting is 1/N, so basically 10⁻¹⁰⁹, and the mean is 1/p, so N, so the number you said. Therefore on average he would hit it on the 75!th time, but the variance is so insanely high that it's entirely realistic to even get that. There's a 50% chance within the first 10¹⁰⁹, roughly speaking. If you grabbed more universes than there are atoms in the universe, turned every atom into Matt and made him keep doing this for more times than there are atoms in the universe on average each Matt would finish around 10¹⁰⁹, with roughly 50% finishing before that and 50% after. Only 10% would have finished before the first 10¹⁰⁸ attempts. If you had to bet on the exact number of attempts that our Matt would get it at, you should still bet on the first one. Of all the individual attempts, it's always most likely that he gets it on the next one that happens. Obviously you should only bet that if you're getting a lot of money, more bills probably than there are atoms in the universe.
@twixerclawford
@twixerclawford 3 ай бұрын
By the way, the "someone wins as soon as possible" simplification also eliminates the diagonals completely, since if someone COULD win by a diagonal, they also could win via a horizontal line. So it doesn't matter which it is.
@stupidas9466
@stupidas9466 3 ай бұрын
Ah, but you can win two ways diagonally with only four numbers but only one vertically and one horizontally, which does in fact change the maths.
@Kyle-nm1kh
@Kyle-nm1kh 3 ай бұрын
Diagonal also has two different paths that only require 4, while horizontal or vertical only have 1 path each. So 50% of the possible ways to win @ 4 draws is by diagonal
@EebstertheGreat
@EebstertheGreat 3 ай бұрын
Right, whenever a group wins horizontally, another group wins diagonally. Sometimes, these groups even overlap. Like, if numbers were drawn in order from B, B, I, I, N, G, G, O, then some people will get a double horizontal/diagonal win.
@mylittledashie7419
@mylittledashie7419 Ай бұрын
5:18 seems like we've got another Parker Square on our hands.
@davydatwood3158
@davydatwood3158 2 ай бұрын
The advert for the book prompted me to go check at my local library, and I was happy to discover they have it! Also, there are twice as many holds on it as there are copies, so it's being at least mildly popular in Western Canada. :)
@wmpowell8
@wmpowell8 3 ай бұрын
The number of possible bingo cards presented at ~10:30 is *incorrect* since the choose function does not count different orderings of the same subset as different. The correct number is 552,446,474,061,128,648,601,600,000 (~552 septillion / 5.52×10^26) given by the formula (15P5)^4×15P4 (the P is like C but it counts different orderings as different).
@LineRider0
@LineRider0 3 ай бұрын
I was looking for this comment I wonder if you also divide by 2 since every bingo card can be flipped vertically
@phiefer3
@phiefer3 3 ай бұрын
I noticed the same thing
@dielaughing73
@dielaughing73 3 ай бұрын
For anyone interested, the C means "choose" (unordered) and the P means "permute" (ordered)
@maxmackie349
@maxmackie349 3 ай бұрын
The numbers in every bingo card I’ve ever seen are written lowest to highest, descending down each column. So Matt’s formula is correct here but this causes him to be incorrect later on when computing the probability of a horizontal win
@phiefer3
@phiefer3 3 ай бұрын
@@maxmackie349 I think you are mistaken. Not only is the bingo card that Matt himself shows in this video not ordered numerically. And if you do a quick google search for images you'll see that virtually none of the results are ordered as you describe.
@allieontheweb
@allieontheweb 3 ай бұрын
As our good friend Pythagoras used to say, "every triangle is a Love Triangle, when you love triangles"
@thesurlywombat
@thesurlywombat 3 ай бұрын
Death comes to us all
@Neil-ii3dp
@Neil-ii3dp 3 ай бұрын
Do the tooth's teeth have teeth too?
@PMA65537
@PMA65537 3 ай бұрын
Or is it??
@spooky6703
@spooky6703 3 ай бұрын
Or was it "Oh god, not beans"?
@xpehkto
@xpehkto 3 ай бұрын
I love how Matt smiles when he is doing things mentioned on Bingo cards.
@ponypete
@ponypete 3 ай бұрын
Congrats on #1, Matt! You deserve it!
@brilletjuh2
@brilletjuh2 3 ай бұрын
23:37 I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, you can win both horizontal and vertical at the same time. You need 4 in 1 column and 4 in 1 row, such that the intersection of these 2 is empty. Getting the number on the intersection means you win both horizontal and vertical at the same time. And yes, that is for N=9, not the first possible winning moment of N=5
@Not_mera
@Not_mera 3 ай бұрын
"this is so silly" i say as i open the description to get my bingo card I didnt get a bingo :( if only this was an ouside video
@robertmcmurry5489
@robertmcmurry5489 3 ай бұрын
No bingo here either 2 ways missing only one though needed "Bad Pun" there was a bad joke but not a pun as far as i noticed, or the multiple Matts on screen which i could say happened during the lo-fi TV paused sections of explanation, but there was only ever one part of any particular Matt on the screen at a time. Fun game tough should we all start a tradition to play bingo for any future videos? Then if you win post BINGO!! with the time stamp and the number of the card you used.
@noahniederklein8038
@noahniederklein8038 3 ай бұрын
@@robertmcmurry5489 Yes we should!
@MrMoon-hy6pn
@MrMoon-hy6pn 3 ай бұрын
I needed him to use an unconventional measurement technique :(
@mrjaro-98
@mrjaro-98 3 ай бұрын
I didn't get a bingo either, sadly. But I will keep my Bingo sheet for future Videos!
@Chris01114
@Chris01114 3 ай бұрын
​@@robertmcmurry5489I think the joke about putting numbers on the bingo was a pun
@msachin4885
@msachin4885 3 ай бұрын
I never thought I'd live to see the day but here it is The Parker Square 2: Bingo Bogaloo
@backwashjoe7864
@backwashjoe7864 3 ай бұрын
We are all of us blessed!
@TheGreatAtario
@TheGreatAtario 3 ай бұрын
Well, you had a go at spelling "boogaloo" I guess
@youtubersingingmoments4402
@youtubersingingmoments4402 3 ай бұрын
Missed opportunity to call the center space the Parker Square; it wouldn't change anything, either, because one can guarantee there will be a Parker Square phenomenon in every video, thereby giving you a free space anyway.
@zarblitz
@zarblitz 3 ай бұрын
The book was great. Honestly a fantastic intro to the practical applications of math, something I could have used when I was in school. Once my sons are a bit older I’m hoping they will enjoy it and find a love of math earlier than I did.
@cyberknightmk
@cyberknightmk 2 ай бұрын
Oh! I got it! I had to start watching this video again to realise what it's about! The problem is not with the drawing/dropping of the numbers during the game, but how the game cards are filled! The 25 (or 24) cells are not filled all at the same time by a truly random method, but one cell at a time, and because there are no repetitions, each successive cell has a smaller range of numbers to be chosen from, and because the cells are filled from top to bottom, from left to right (in Matt's example), some bias is added for each column (if the cards were filled from left to right, then from top to bottom, the "paradox" would be the other way around, more vertical than horizontal winners...) Random number generation is too important to be left to chance, indeed!
@leiolevan9527
@leiolevan9527 3 ай бұрын
The french Bingo is very different. 3 rows, 9 collumns 15 numbers on (5 on each row, ranging from 1 to 90), the remaining 12 cells are black/null. You then have 3 ways to win : - complete 1 row, you then shout "quine" (5) - complete 2 rows = "double quine" - complete full card = bingo Much more easier to figure out if rows are more likely than collumns with this setup :D
@nowster
@nowster 3 ай бұрын
British bingo is identical. (9×3, five per row)
@sweetcornwhiskey
@sweetcornwhiskey 3 ай бұрын
The important factor here is not only the groupings of numbers - it's also that we're looking for the first occurrence of a BINGO among many boards. If you instead ask the question "what are the odds that this particular board will give a horizontal or vertical BINGO?" then it's still an even chance of getting a horizontal or vertical BINGO, even though the numbers are separated into categories.
@landsgevaer
@landsgevaer 3 ай бұрын
Indeed. And actually the number of boards needs to be so big that many boards start sharing the same sets of numbers in some rows or columns. That is where the difference comes from: the chance of a column winning is smaller than the chance of a row winning, but when a column wins, you have more winners simultaneously. You need thousands of cards for this to become a substantial effect; that is rather unrealistic imho.
@BrotherCheng
@BrotherCheng 3 ай бұрын
Yeah to me this is the more interesting aspect of the question that I wish the video goes into more. In particular, let's say you have a friend entering a Bingo tournament, and you are placing a side bet on whether your friend will win in a row, or win in a column. How should that side bet's payouts work? A naive interpretation of this video's result is that you should bet on your friend winning in a row as more likely, but in fact it's equally likely your friend will win in a row or column.
@thenefariousnerd7910
@thenefariousnerd7910 3 ай бұрын
@@BrotherCheng Although the competition aspect complicates that scenario because they would likely stop playing once someone else won in a round, right? (Genuine question, I’ve never been to a bingo hall.) So the competition might need to, for example, work by playing until everyone gets bingo and score people by ranking how soon they got bingo in that round.
@thenefariousnerd7910
@thenefariousnerd7910 3 ай бұрын
@@BrotherCheng Although the competition aspect complicates that scenario because they would likely stop playing once someone else won in a round, right? (Genuine question, I’ve never been to a bingo hall.) So the competition might need to, for example, work by playing until everyone gets bingo and score people by ranking how soon they got bingo in that round.
@BrotherCheng
@BrotherCheng 3 ай бұрын
@@thenefariousnerd7910 No. What we were saying is that for large number of players, there will be simultaneous winners. You can have different Bingo cards and still win at the same time because you happen to have the same numbers on a row / column. You get more than one winners. But once someone won you don't keep playing.
@AnonymousFreakYT
@AnonymousFreakYT 3 ай бұрын
BINGO! Card 6318 @13:47
@jamesphillips2285
@jamesphillips2285 3 ай бұрын
How were you able to access a card more than 1000 away from the end of the list? I my top-level comment: I mentioned getting stuck at card 00001 using reverse ordered list view. Hmm maybe I should have tried scrolling up after reversing the order. Edit: after reversing the order it starts adding extra items to the *top* of the list. no scrolling necessary. Not any faster though.
@insaneko
@insaneko 3 ай бұрын
@@jamesphillips2285 Dropbox is such a pain to deal with. I ended up installing the android app because I reeeeeaaaaally wanted to use a random number and not something higher up in the list. Turns out you simply can not search for files in shared folders on dropbox. The android app loaded all the files at once which eliminated the lag the website had lazy loading them and the scroll wheel that made it easier to navigate to the file I wanted. But then it took several tries just to export a file that wasn't 0 bytes. 🙃 It took me like ten minutes just to download a file - and I couldn't even get a bingo in the end (no. 4176) 😢
@lastchance1036
@lastchance1036 3 ай бұрын
​@jamesphillips2285 can't you just CTRL+F?
@AnonymousFreakYT
@AnonymousFreakYT 3 ай бұрын
@@jamesphillips2285 I just scrolled down as quickly as I could to "about the halfway" mark and picked one.
@jamesphillips2285
@jamesphillips2285 3 ай бұрын
@@lastchance1036 Nope Link to bingo card I want does not load in.
@piyushbhujbal3075
@piyushbhujbal3075 3 ай бұрын
10:45 it should be (15 P 4) * (15 P 5)^4 and not (15 C 4) * (15 C 5)^4
@robharwood3538
@robharwood3538 3 ай бұрын
Congrats on the #1 best-seller position, Matt! Wonderful that a book about math (and humour!) made such an achievement. Cheers!
@M104-q9y
@M104-q9y 3 ай бұрын
This is only surprising because I didnt know that numbers on a bingo card aren't completely random. Knowing that each column is value limited makes this much less interesting.
@gomjabbar6246
@gomjabbar6246 3 ай бұрын
Hey, I enjoy remembering combinatorics…don’t judge me
@7oxytron
@7oxytron 3 ай бұрын
i wonder if there's a specific reason why it's ordered like that instead of just having it be random?
@o.o7
@o.o7 3 ай бұрын
​@@7oxytronI'd assume that because bingo is a game with a primary audience of older individuals it is made in a way in which it's easier for them to find numbers on their sheets. By putting lower numbers on the left and higher numbers on the right they then learn where they need to look subconsciously which makes the gameplay faster. That's just my guess though.
3 ай бұрын
​@@7oxytron Ease of play. When the announcer announces "G53", you know to look in the G column to see if you got it. Having it completely random would make you look all over the card.
@MarcioHuser
@MarcioHuser 3 ай бұрын
I guess it works this way to be able to scan for the numbers quickly, by knowning in wich column they can appear. At leas for the "pro" BINGO players 😅
@signalshift6676
@signalshift6676 3 ай бұрын
It immediately makes sense after you drew the bingo board and gave the number categories.
@moople9066
@moople9066 3 ай бұрын
Having never played bingo with numbers, I was utterly baffled at how this could be true until that exact moment lol
@PrincessSkullcrusher
@PrincessSkullcrusher 3 ай бұрын
yeah, after learning they were grouped like that the intuitive understanding makes sense. rows get to explore the more full probability which has more options each time, and columns have to stay in their lane.
@davidfinch7418
@davidfinch7418 3 ай бұрын
So you're saying that the rest of the video is pointless?! How dare you!
@PrincessSkullcrusher
@PrincessSkullcrusher 3 ай бұрын
@@davidfinch7418 without the rest of the video we wouldn't get BBBBIIING
@MatthijsvanDuin
@MatthijsvanDuin 3 ай бұрын
That plus the fact that it's about the winner from a group of multiple people playing. For any individual however the probability for horizontal and vertical are still the same.
@liefschneider3123
@liefschneider3123 3 ай бұрын
#888 Vertical Bingo 0:06 - Regular Polygon Visible in Video (I figured a square bingo card counts??) 15:15 - Multiple Matts on-screen 4:04 - Matt catches something (Bit of a stretch but he did catch that ball from rolling off the table) 15:51 - Matt has a drink of coffee (I'm counting it as coffee) 27:31 - Matt is standing up
@T-DubGames
@T-DubGames 3 ай бұрын
Horizontal completed at 23:00, using Bingo Card 4256 Makes and error that's corrected with voiceover Regular polygon visible in video Shoutout to Patreon supporters (counting the multiple mentions to spending the Patreon money) "Maths!" Skylab appears on camera (the last one)
@AlexCorleoneBarzini
@AlexCorleoneBarzini Ай бұрын
Maybe a stupid question, and sorry for my english if it's incorrect. The maths here is that the odd at x2 is 60/74, fine, and then it's 45/73, shouldn't it be 1/73 as after the pick before, it can only be one good number in the same line ?
@wyboo2019
@wyboo2019 3 ай бұрын
i dont agree that there's a 'paradox.' the only reason its initially counter-intuitive is that people assume bingo cards are constructed randomly (as in the nth column is not restricted to numbers from 15(n-1)+1 to 15n). the moment it was revealed that not every number can appear anywhere the 'paradox' vanishes
@JdeBP
@JdeBP 3 ай бұрын
Presh Talwalkar has a recent video where xe shouts at people who comment "But it's not a paradox if it is merely counter-intuitive at first blush!" about veridical paradoxes also counting as paradoxes.
@rantingrodent416
@rantingrodent416 3 ай бұрын
@@JdeBP but this is not even counter-intuitive. It's completely intuitive, as long as you actually have all of the information.
@liq3
@liq3 3 ай бұрын
​@@JdeBP It's like someone calling something an Apple Orange Paradox and saying "how does this apple taste like an orange?!" only to reveal the apple was an orange all along. There's nothing paradoxical about it, they just gave the audience misleading information at the start.
@kentslocum
@kentslocum 3 ай бұрын
I'd love to know the reason why bingo uses sets of numbers for each column up to 75 rather than randomnly distributing say, 99 numbers. 🤔
@cadenpulley
@cadenpulley 3 ай бұрын
​@@kentslocumIt makes it easier to check if you have a number, since you only have to check one column.
@engineeringtehmetals
@engineeringtehmetals 3 ай бұрын
11:00 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 "You can do it precisely, or rather, Wolfram|Alpha can" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@roderik1990
@roderik1990 3 ай бұрын
Wolfram Alpha knows...
@phiefer3
@phiefer3 3 ай бұрын
The irony that the number Wolfram|Alpha gave him is wrong (not because W|A was wrong, but because Matt fed it the wrong formula)
@theme5729
@theme5729 3 ай бұрын
00117 00:00 Null 1:43 book 5:00 Whiteboard AND special remix of the theme music (I think) 6:54 Printed research paper used as a prop Maybe not the fastest, but probably the fastest diagonal one
@Chris01114
@Chris01114 3 ай бұрын
It's not the theme song, I don't know what it's called but I'd consider it a very popular piece of music
@ChakatStormCloud
@ChakatStormCloud 3 ай бұрын
Honestly the fastest is almost always going to be a diagonal, because there's only 4 lines that only need 4 items, and half of them are diagonal, with one being a much less likely vertical.
@MCTrapsandTutorials
@MCTrapsandTutorials 3 ай бұрын
Bingo at 10:00 Bingo card 1293 Randomly generated Bingo from: Free space, whiteboard, regular polygon visible, ridiculous, matt mentions his book
@paulpaul1764
@paulpaul1764 3 ай бұрын
Bingo card 00390 Got Bingo at 30:06 when cameraperson Alex was mentioned. It was a horizontal win, and the other spaces were: Makes an error that is corrected with voiceover Skylab appears on camera Prop appears from under table Null
@wildcat3025
@wildcat3025 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for uploading at half one in the morning matt It allows me to delude myself that I’m not up this late due to a lack of self control, rather I was able to predict an important upload
@Not_mera
@Not_mera 3 ай бұрын
... I get to do this often. As an Aussie, 1am Monday morning has some of the freshest videos ever, it's a really healthy way to start the week
@Baddaby
@Baddaby 3 ай бұрын
Ah, the classic drawing of a target after the arrow hits the ground
@TedToal_TedToal
@TedToal_TedToal 3 ай бұрын
It's more than 15 choose five because the order matters, it's a different card if it has a different order of the same numbers.
@atomicwaffle420
@atomicwaffle420 3 ай бұрын
yeah its actually 5.5245x10^26 different bingo cards. EDIT: just realized that includes vertically flipped bingo cards which are actually the same when it comes to normal bingo. so its actually 2.7622x10^26 different bingo cards.
@samuelfitzgerald2025
@samuelfitzgerald2025 3 ай бұрын
Also, just getting a number in each column isn't necessarily bingo, whereas getting five numbers in the same column is by definition bingo, so the probabilities are slightly closer together than Matt originally calculated.
@TedToal_TedToal
@TedToal_TedToal 3 ай бұрын
@@samuelfitzgerald2025 I think he was assuming that, even though some people wouldn't have the numbers in the right column, there would be so many people playing that somebody would have a card that would have them all in the right column or row, as soon as the first opportunity of that arose. Actually, now that I think about it, that's probably the reason why he used choose rather than what's the other one called? He did it that way to factor out the existence of all possible combinations of numbers in each column under the assumption, there'd be one of each playing the game.
@alquinn8576
@alquinn8576 3 ай бұрын
@@TedToal_TedToal yeah i think analysis is for the limit as n >>> the number of all possible bingo cards
@courtney-ray
@courtney-ray 3 ай бұрын
The calculation is for the first possible win. Not all win possible
@PenguinPat
@PenguinPat 3 ай бұрын
Arthur Benjamin!! I had him as a professor and advisor. He's amazing! Best math professor ever. I took his class on special topics in combinatorics (which he said he would have called Benjamin 101 if the department had let him, since the class was just a survey of all his research). He had a section on this bingo paradox and the final exam asked us to derive generalized formulas for n×n bingo cards. One of the best classes I've ever taken!
@joshuazhong2520
@joshuazhong2520 3 ай бұрын
I took discrete math with him, was a blast. Looking forward to intermediate probability next semester
@BridgeBum
@BridgeBum 3 ай бұрын
Joseph Kisenwether (co-author) was a suitemate of mine in college, I love when these small world things happen. 😃
@biggiemac42
@biggiemac42 3 ай бұрын
Came to the comments to look for other mudd students gushing about prof Benjamin! Class of 2015 here, loved discrete with prof Benjamin.
@nicstroud
@nicstroud 3 ай бұрын
The don't look anything like bingo cards, at least not the ones I'm familiar with here in the U.K. They are usually 9x3 and the numbers are _always_ sequential. I know you live in the U.K. but is this based on U.S. bingo cards for an American audience?
@misterdubity3073
@misterdubity3073 3 ай бұрын
Suppose you win with horizontally with O-75 on the 10th ball; why can't there have already been a "non-winning" O among the first 9 balls? No empty columns is not enough, five must be in the same row. See @17:00 Suppose the winning tenth ball goes into square (5,5). The order could have been: (1,1), (1,3), (1,5), (2,5), (3,5), (4,1), (4,3), (4,5), (5,1), (5,5). (B: x=1; O: x=5, etc)
@edwurtle
@edwurtle 3 ай бұрын
I wish Matt showed a graph on number of bingo cards in play vs odds of horizontal win. This would make it more practical than assuming a winner as soon as possible. This paragraph from the introduction in the bingo paradox paper answered my question. Kind of wish Matt spoke to the spectrum of odds. It clears it up for me. “.. when playing with a large number of Bingo cards, horizontal bingos are about three times more likely than vertical bingos. By comparison, when playing with a single card, horizontal and vertical bingos are equally likely (and more likely than a diagonal bingo). But even with just ten cards in play, it’s still the case that the winning card is more likely to be horizontal than vertical, and that edge grows as the number of cards increases.” So Matt spoke of the extreme case of all possible cards in play. And odds go down to 50/50 in the other extreme case of only 1 card in play. It would be nice to see graph of number of cards vs odds of horizontal win.
@alquinn8576
@alquinn8576 3 ай бұрын
would be pretty easy to model via monte carlo
@bugfacedog44
@bugfacedog44 3 ай бұрын
100% agree!! This is what MAKES the paradox. Like the birthday paradox isn't impressive because if you get 367 people in a room, two people share the same birthday. That's obvious and boring. The paradox is that with just 23 people, it's more likely than not that two of them share a birthday! The 'paradox' is the SPEED at which it goes 1-1 to 3-1 is unintuitive. This was such a bad delivery of this paradox - I'm not even sure he understood that the odds are 1-1 on an individual bingo card lol
@winnablebtw459
@winnablebtw459 3 ай бұрын
For the bingo cards created by Matt, how does the horizontal bias get introduced? In the actual number board it's because each column is chosen from small specific sets, so it seems feasible that it could be done in a similar way but wasn't explicitly mentioned in the video and easily could have. If everything was uniform then the intro was incorrect and people shouldn't ve winning one direction more than the other.
@silm4ril
@silm4ril 3 ай бұрын
My guess is that each activity was assigned an arbitrary column, but I agree he didn't make that clear.
@lukew6725
@lukew6725 3 ай бұрын
It's clickbait, nothing he talked about had anything to do with that bingo card.
@asdfqwerty14587
@asdfqwerty14587 3 ай бұрын
There isn't an actual bias towards horizontal vs. vertical. What you're seeing is that there are more possible combinations on the rows than the columns - on any given bingo card you're just as likely to win on a vertical as a horizontal.. but when you have a *very* large number of bingo cards, the first one to win is more likely to be on a horizontal than a vertical (but if a vertical did win, it would win on more different cards at the same time). The columns have a lot more repeated bingos (for instance, you can have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 1, 3, 2, 4, 5 both getting a bingo at the same time, whereas the horizontal lines don't have the same kind of equivalent).
@thebeckofkevin
@thebeckofkevin Ай бұрын
@@asdfqwerty14587 No, but with the bingo sheet that he made for the video. Like the actions. There would be absolutely no reason for a horizontal bias on a randomly placed action from a video. I have no idea why that sheet was introduced and then he states "But if you play this bingo card, I promise you someone will probably win horizontal" or whatever he says. That is not very clearly explained. Its very distracting that they introduce a 'randomly' created bingo card, then immediately say that using that bingo card, you will more likely win horizontal than vertical. It makes no sense at all for the bingo card being introduced as randomly distributed with actions.
@azpcox
@azpcox 3 ай бұрын
True story - several years ago at a school PTO function there were t enough bingo cards so my wife made around 10 copies of one card and handed it out. I had a bad feeling about it but I got overruled. And as you’ve figured out, near the end of that last blackout game, when I called out the last number, 10 people all called out bingo. They figured out prizes but it was a math lesson learned by all that night. Do not stack the decks against yourself hoping the random event never happens. Everything is random.
@David-xp7sr
@David-xp7sr 3 ай бұрын
Like when I pocketed the money my wife gave me to bet on a rank outsider. That cost me dear when it romped home by 5 lengths
@LlywellynOBrien
@LlywellynOBrien 3 ай бұрын
This is such a funny random story!
@LlywellynOBrien
@LlywellynOBrien 3 ай бұрын
​@@David-xp7sr Oh man, couch for weeks?
@janTasita
@janTasita 3 ай бұрын
Why would't you just make up cards with "random" numbers off the top of your head?
@BTGTB
@BTGTB 3 ай бұрын
@@janTasita I assume because they needed to look actually printed out and not hand drawn on a blank paper. Much faster to run a copier than load up some software program and create 10 different pages.
@krimhorn
@krimhorn 3 ай бұрын
At 7:30 so I'm not to Matt's answer yet but I'll take a stab at it Within a column there are 15 possible hits and ALL 5 hits must be from those 15 numbers. Since there are 75 (to start with) possible hits the P(x[1-15]) is 15/75 or 20%. The total probability of all 5 numbers being from that set then is on the order of .2^5. Whereas you only need 1 number from each column to hit within a row its 1 of 15 of 75. Lower individual specific chances but higher overall since you aren't decreasing your set of hits as much with each pull as you do when you hit in a column.
@undrhil
@undrhil 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for having your book available on Audible already! I bought it on Audible -
@DragonOfThePineForest
@DragonOfThePineForest 3 ай бұрын
10:59 Matt: "It's Math's, you can do it precisely" Me: glances at the equation for the perimeter of an ellipse. starts crying.
@evanbasnaw
@evanbasnaw 3 ай бұрын
As someone who occasionally needs to calculate elliptical cross-sections for work. Ouch, just ouch. At least I've learned not to do it by hand these days.
@BodywiseMustard
@BodywiseMustard 3 ай бұрын
Maths*
@leiferikson2210
@leiferikson2210 3 ай бұрын
​​@@evanbasnawIsn't the perimeter of the elipse a multiple of a special trascendental number, just like pi is to circles?
@MatthijsvanDuin
@MatthijsvanDuin 3 ай бұрын
@@leiferikson2210 Except every "eccentricity" (i.e. how squished the ellipse is) has its own special transcendental number that doesn't have any nice expression. For example, for an ellipse that's 4 by 5 the circumference is 10·E(3/5), but E(3/5) can't be rewritten as anything more familiar, all you can do is numerically approximate it.
@MatthijsvanDuin
@MatthijsvanDuin 3 ай бұрын
@@leiferikson2210 (where E() is the "complete elliptic integral of the second kind")
@J624
@J624 3 ай бұрын
#3391, the video was almost over and I just needed "It's so good", then you started talking about the box set and I thought, "he's gonna say it, I'm going to get a bingo right at the end." 28:40 he says "It's so nice!" It would have been horizontal too.
@swellest
@swellest 3 ай бұрын
Card #00312 gets a horizontal win across the top at 10:06
@7oxytron
@7oxytron 3 ай бұрын
dang, if i had picked 312 instead of 315 i could have had a bingo xD
@aryanbhatt5835
@aryanbhatt5835 3 ай бұрын
At 10:50, I think there's a mistake in computing the number of bingo cards. Since the order of the numbers does matter, we should be using permutations instead of combinations, so it should be 15P4*(15P5)^4 instead of 15C4*(15C5)^4.
@stco2426
@stco2426 3 ай бұрын
Great work, Matt. I actually followed the maths quite well here and it was a fun mixture of random with binned categories. I would thisnkthere are plenty of generalities also where these comcepts can be found, such that a random thing is assigned a space according to a portion of the range, but I can't think of other places where this might happen. You should probably include it in a book, maybe?
@themightyripples6582
@themightyripples6582 3 ай бұрын
I'm a bingo caller and also really like math and when I started my job at the bingo hall I quickly realized that the mathematics involved in bingo can get complicated - I wish people would make more videos about bingo math... for example, given a certain shape, how do you calculate the average number of balls being called in order for that shape to be completed - this problem takes into account both the likelihood of a ball coming out and the likelihood the number is in the right position on the card.
@mb-3faze
@mb-3faze 3 ай бұрын
In your experience, how many balls do you pick before a bingo is called? Just on average. Presumably you want quite a fast turnover to keep the money rolling in.
@LlywellynOBrien
@LlywellynOBrien 3 ай бұрын
I have questions as well. How likely is it for a game to go to the 17th ball under these assumptions. Assuming a hundred cards, how long would a game go? How long can it go? Under what conditions could you get to the 75th ball, and under what conditions is this no longer possible?
@themightyripples6582
@themightyripples6582 3 ай бұрын
@@mb-3faze so it's obviously different for each pattern, but for a 1 line, on average I'd say between 8 and 11 calls, for a 2 line almost always between 20 and 25 calls. We do want them to be as fast as possible so that we can move on to the next game but that's mostly because we wanna leave on time, lmao
@themightyripples6582
@themightyripples6582 3 ай бұрын
@@LlywellynOBrien I'll start with getting to the 75th ball - at the hall I work at this is nearly impossible as we have strips that have 3 cards and all 75 numbers appear once and only once per strip - we call these "perfect" or "dab-all" strips. Therefore, if we are going for a full card and even 1 of these strips are sold then there is a guaranteed full card on that strip on the 73rd call. In practice that will never happen already. Now, we also sell "random" strips and so if we somehow sold only random strips and by some coincidence every card within those strips had the same number on it, then it would be technically possible for that number to be the last one to come up, under those "dream luck" circumstances then it's possible to go to the 75th number - if that happened every single person would have a bingo on all of thier cards, lol that would be chaos
@themightyripples6582
@themightyripples6582 3 ай бұрын
@@LlywellynOBrien I've seen a 1 line go to 15 or 16 but that's not very likely at all, it's tricky to try and work the odds on that though - tricky for me at least. I've also seen someone get a 2 line in 11 calls tho soo... questions like these are why I'd like more bingo math videos. Most people will have 9 to 24 cards each so 100 is actually quite low
@agingerredhead9380
@agingerredhead9380 3 ай бұрын
are you sure it was a random 10,000 and not the first 10,000? we don’t want another happy little house.
@noahniederklein8038
@noahniederklein8038 3 ай бұрын
Nice reference!
@MichaelOnines
@MichaelOnines 3 ай бұрын
Find the happy house was an amazing bit of "figured everything out but overlooked that one detail". It's like a bit if code that compiles and runs without a crash first time but you don't find out until much later there's an off-by-one counting error in your algorithm.
@roberttucker4611
@roberttucker4611 3 ай бұрын
22:57 Dog loses interest once he’s got the math down, gets up and leaves 😂
@bertietheboy
@bertietheboy 3 ай бұрын
Congratulations on the book man, amazing accomplishment
@lachlanhunt
@lachlanhunt 3 ай бұрын
I’ve never seen this style of bingo card before. According to Wikipedia, that’s the US 75 ball version. I’m more familiar with the 90 ball version where tickets have 3 rows, 5 numbers per row, and the numbers are arranged into 9 columns, such each column has numbers from the sets 1-9, then 10-19, 20-29,…, and 80-90 in the last column.
@Spanner1971B
@Spanner1971B 3 ай бұрын
I fancy my chances of getting a column before a row on the UK cards
@VinTheDirector
@VinTheDirector 3 ай бұрын
Wait…what…then which column is the B column? The I column? Or the N,G, O columns? Or you don’t have that in your version?
@Spanner1971B
@Spanner1971B 3 ай бұрын
@@VinTheDirector Correct, the UK Bingo card doesn't have letters at the top. It has 15 numbers from 1-90 placed in a 3x9 grid, spread across the 9 columns with 1-3 numbers per column pseudo-randomly (there may be some algorithm but I've never looked into it). It still "groups" numbers available to the columns (in groups of ten rather than 15), and each line has 5 numbers exactly. Columns do not score anything in UK bingo. eg: (X = a number, o = empty) X o X o X o X o X X X o X o o o X X X o o X o X X X o Matt, being based in the UK but not actually native, may not have come across our version of bingo!
@beningram1811
@beningram1811 3 ай бұрын
I was going through the comments, becoming more and more surprised that no-one had mentioned "real" bingo. I wonder how different it makes the chances.
@Chris01114
@Chris01114 3 ай бұрын
I'm from Europe and I've never seen this. Apparently this is from the UK, but it seems less beautiful on its design, so I can't say I approve
@lookix154
@lookix154 3 ай бұрын
19:00 What about the families that include the O column? In the first nine rolls we can have a sequence of (4,2,1,1,1) without getting a BINGO, with the 10th number being also in the O column and getting a horizontal bingo.
@BL3446
@BL3446 3 ай бұрын
The assumption is that there are an infinite number of players so as soon as someone *can* win, they do. So once all 5 columns have been called, that's it.
@bobson_dugnutt
@bobson_dugnutt 3 ай бұрын
The calculated probability is assuming every single possible bingo card is being played at the same time. If not all cards are played the probability changes and the math would be more complicated. Like he mentioned they simulated 1000 cards in play and got a ratio closer to 2:1, not 2.8:1.
@howdyhowdyhowdyhowdyhowdy
@howdyhowdyhowdyhowdyhowdy 3 ай бұрын
​@@BL3446 I don't understand why that is an assumption that was made, it kind of changes everything. Drawing 3 from the O set and then assuming that the Xth draw is the final draw to give you a bingo seems more correct. Obviously changing the stats but I feel like in a way that's more correct? Idk, I'm just also really hung up on why this assumption was made when it sort of throws everything off
@JMaximusIX
@JMaximusIX 3 ай бұрын
​@@BL3446 Thanks for the clarification, I got confused about this too
@Tumbolisu
@Tumbolisu 3 ай бұрын
The assumption that somebody wins as soon as it is possible is kind of necessary. Without this assumption, every single calculation needs to have a parameter for the number of unique bingo cards, causing the math to be just incomprehensibly complicated.
@Woofer21
@Woofer21 3 ай бұрын
It pains me that you kept not spining the bingo ball thing correctly. 😭 You are supposed to keep spinning it towards the back so it gets caught in that trough then it rolls to the front instead of falling out and rolling wherever
@sheikneedles9250
@sheikneedles9250 3 ай бұрын
You can see he begins with rotating it correctly, but after lots of spinning fails to get a ball, so resorts to spinning it the other way
@realFourD
@realFourD 3 ай бұрын
I think it's assembled the wrong way. The ball picker part only opens when rotated in one direction. So you can mix in one direction and then select the ball in other
@RicardoMorenoAlmeida
@RicardoMorenoAlmeida 3 ай бұрын
17:00 One of the other balls can DEFINITELLY be from column 'O'. It just has to not match the row where we got 4 matches from the other sets. It could even be the 5th number from column 'O', as long as it doesn't match our "lucky" row. In that specific case it would be a vertical and horizontal win at the same time, but still, even eliminating that, the last ball could be the 4th number in column 'O'.
@purple-cho
@purple-cho 3 ай бұрын
For an individual card, absolutely. But the calculation is based on an assumption that there are _so many_ people playing, that every single possible bingo card is in play. Therefore as soon as enough numbers are called to make a possible bingo on any card, that card exists and immediately wins. The calculation would be different if we assumed instead that only a limited set of cards was in play (and other commenters say that the paper Matt references does discuss how that change in assumption will change the outcome)
@baconshrimpeyes
@baconshrimpeyes 3 ай бұрын
Bingo Card 318: Win at 24:07 with Whiteboard, Matt's books in background, NULL, Matt Interacts with on-screen graphics, Number larger than 10^10 when Matt points at the table from the paper
@jasonpatterson8091
@jasonpatterson8091 3 ай бұрын
This feels like it's missing some very important aspects of real bingo. Most importantly, this is simply figuring out whether it's more likely to draw 5 balls from any single column or 1 from each column. That's not how the game works though, so we have to assume that literally every possible card is being played. But for any given card, the order of the horizontal numbers on that card matter while the order of the verticals do not, which will favor verticals to some degree.
@MGSchmahl
@MGSchmahl 3 ай бұрын
It works because we're taking the limit as the number of players grows to infinity, so we can assume that every possible bingo card is in play.
@edwurtle
@edwurtle 3 ай бұрын
@@MGSchmahl but what if only 50 people are in the room playing? Is it still 75% chance a player wins via horizontal?
@edwurtle
@edwurtle 3 ай бұрын
This paragraph from the introduction in the bingo paradox paper answered my question. Kind of wish Matt spoke to the spectrum of odds. It clears it up for me. “.. when playing with a large number of Bingo cards, horizontal bingos are about three times more likely than vertical bingos. By comparison, when playing with a single card, horizontal and vertical bingos are equally likely (and more likely than a diagonal bingo). But even with just ten cards in play, it’s still the case that the winning card is more likely to be horizontal than vertical, and that edge grows as the number of cards increases.” So Matt spoke of the extreme case of all possible cards in play. And odds go down to 50/50 in the other extreme case of only 1 card in play. It would be nice to see graph of number of cards vs odds of horizontal win.
@tw11tube
@tw11tube 3 ай бұрын
So in this video we find out how likely it is that a bingo game is finished by having a horizontal match on at least one card, compared to a vertical match on at least one card. On the other hand, there is no consideration on how many cards will have that match. If my approach to calculation is correct: There are 15C5 significantly different versions of a column, so the chance of a bingo card containing the vertical row that can win is 1/(15C5) = 3.3^10^(-4). On the other hand, there are more variations for horizontal bingos. In the most simple case of a 5-number game, the chance of having the five numbers can be calculated like this: The likelyhood that the one-out-of-15 "B" number is on your card that contains 5 B numbers is 1/3. If there is no NULL square in the center, the chance of having a possible horizontal match on a card is (1/3)^5 = 4.11*10^(-3). So if you have just one of the infinitely many cards, and a horizontal match is possible, the chance of *you* having a winning card is 0.411%. On the other hand, for a vertical match, the chance of *you* having a winning card is just 0.033%. Multiplied with the likelyhood of getting the possibility of horizontal or vertical bingo, this increases the disparity from 1:50 to 1:623 for your card to win with a vertical bingo compared to your card winning with a horizontal bingo after five balls. You might want to continue this evaluation for games not finished after 5 balls, as the ration between the chance for a single card to win horizontally vs. vertically will surely differ depending on the ball count. Furthermore note that even this way of looking at bingo chances for a game with infinitely many players is not comparable with a game with only a few players, as in a game with infinitely many players, you won't ever have 6 or 7 digits from the same column in the set of drawn numbers, as one player will have a bingo as soon as 5 are drawn. With only a few players, the chance of a card with those five numbers being in play is quite low, so games with 6 or 7 balls from one column get relevant. This demonstrates the skew shown in this video is partly due to the fact that with infinitely many cards, the game is over as soon as a potential hit exists, no matter how unlikely it is, whereas in games with only a couple of cards in play, you have to consider the probability of a winning card being in play at all.
@jasonpatterson8091
@jasonpatterson8091 3 ай бұрын
@@edwurtle Thank you. This felt like it would be the result but I had neither the time nor the confidence in my probability calculations to figure it out for sure.
@JesseJames_37
@JesseJames_37 3 ай бұрын
Bingo card #645 with a vertical win at 15:14 (if you count that as multiple Matts on-screen)
@88porpoise
@88porpoise 3 ай бұрын
Technically there are multiple Matt's onscreen at 2:30, the photo from the dust cover of his book is very briefly visible
@landsgevaer
@landsgevaer 3 ай бұрын
There should be as many cards with vertical filled columns as with horizontal filled rows actually. And no, that does not contradict the video... 😉
@JesseJames_37
@JesseJames_37 3 ай бұрын
@@landsgevaer Yep, I also watched the video believe it or not 👍
@nowt1002
@nowt1002 3 ай бұрын
Never seen this version of bingo before. The game I'm familiar with goes up to 90. Each ticket is 3 rows of 9 columns with 5 numbers and 4 blanks on each row. The columns are 1-9, 10-19 etc. You get a horizontal line and then a full ticket (house). You would usually play 6 tickets at a time which gives you all the possible numbers. There's no vertical win.
@ethanchapman1776
@ethanchapman1776 3 ай бұрын
This video is American bingo rather than UK bingo. I'm surprised he didn't mention the difference in the video.
@GaviLazan
@GaviLazan 2 ай бұрын
I have never heard of that style of bingo. Honestly, I didn't even know there were TYPES of bingo to begin with!
@lore2001
@lore2001 Ай бұрын
that's the one we play in argentina as well! we call it lotería in spanish
@lazykbys
@lazykbys 3 ай бұрын
18:29 BIIIINGGG - the sound you get when you hold a ruler at the edge of a table so that half of its length is sticking out, then give the protruding bit a good thwack.
@goldeneddie
@goldeneddie 2 ай бұрын
Neatly expressed! I think you'd enjoy the book 'The Meaning of Liff' by Douglas Adams.
@PeaceOfThePuzzleGaming
@PeaceOfThePuzzleGaming 3 ай бұрын
Future Matt at 14:59 - it was a lovely pause effect, I liked the slow scroll to emulate the good oldfashioned mis timing of frames... however because I feel it is our duty as viewers to be strictily critical of inaccuracies... the effect also showed that each frame of the emulated film strip is in fact layed out horizontally, so the slow drifting you'd expect from a frame synch issue should be horizontal, not vertical. That said, the effect may have been emulating the vertical hold quick of VCRs when they are paused... also a nice effect, tho in that case, why do we see a film strip? A nice effect, but perhaps over complicated somwhat. Seriously tho, love your videos and all the effort that goes into them. Really great, as always. Thank you!
@robertkesselring
@robertkesselring 3 ай бұрын
I wonder how many people buying "Love Triangle" don't look too closely at the thumbnail and just assume from the title that it's a romance novel.
@iteerrex8166
@iteerrex8166 3 ай бұрын
Strategically titled indeed.
@PhilBagels
@PhilBagels 3 ай бұрын
Soon to be a major motion picture, with Meryl Streep playing the part of the hypotenuse.
@_invencible_
@_invencible_ 3 ай бұрын
clickbait for books
@iteerrex8166
@iteerrex8166 3 ай бұрын
@@_invencible_ more like advertisement, which is fine.
@327efrain
@327efrain 3 ай бұрын
@@iteerrex8166 nah more like clickbait
@Kaelygon
@Kaelygon 3 ай бұрын
Bingo card 7846 did not bingo even if you include questionable cases 0:00 Regular polygon visible in video 0:00 Matt's books in the background 0:00 Sports related video (questionable) 0:00 Matt's coffee mug isn't facing branding-side out (questionable) 1:40 Unboxing or unpackaging an object (questionable) 5:01 Stock video effect; transition 7:34 Terrible python code (questionable) 11:00 Maths! 14:54 Jump cut to condense long maths (questionable) 15:08 Past Matt 25:44 Matt credits a viewer for doing something better than he can (questionable (unclear if these people are also viewers))) 25:13 Bad pun 30:06 Producer Nicole mentioned 30:13 Problem squared mentioned Even if you count the questionable scores (total 14), the card 7846 wouldn't have win a bingo. 8 scores, 6 questionable scores (Excluding free NULL) **Extra stuff** 5:15 is really stretching "Unconventional measurement technique". I wouldn't count this. Technically Matt is measuring the different probabilities but diagonals are being ignored. I'm not good enough to understanding English semantics whether this is "unconventional measurement technique". But if you count it as a score, that'd be a horizontal bingo at 30:06. Otherwise 7846 is not a bingo winning card. These were not mentioned in the video, but if any of them were, I would have had a Bingo **orientation | missing case | Would've been a bingo at time stamp** diagonal | Matt's facial hair changes mid-video | 11:00 vertical | Live show mentioned | 15:08 horizontal | It's so good | 25:13 diagonal | Video relating to a date in the calendar | 25:44
@T_Mo271
@T_Mo271 3 ай бұрын
Question: At 17:23, why does the 10th ball have to be the first one from set 'O'? Could not a previous ball have been called from set 'O' that was not involved in a winning solution?
@FernTheRobot
@FernTheRobot 3 ай бұрын
The assumption is that the crowd is large enough that if there is a chance of bingo happening it will happen. By this logic when a number from the fifth category *first* appears, someone with the correct arrangement of numbers on their bingo card will win with a horizontal line. I think a more intuitive way to think about this question is to assume that the audience can freely choose their numbers within the rules. How can us, the host, maliciously arrange the bingo sequence so that the bingo happens at the 10th ball. (and by the same logic prove that a bingo will happen no later than ball 17th)
@ericbarr734
@ericbarr734 3 ай бұрын
Bingo 162 7:35. I assume the authors of the paper are viewers, because of course they should be. And yes it was horizontal
@lucasbeckwith10
@lucasbeckwith10 3 ай бұрын
15:10 with bingo card 2421. The 2nd column during the voice over when the video 'reel' splits Matt in half and the voice over refers to him as "Past Matt"
@melodyqueen6432
@melodyqueen6432 3 ай бұрын
Sub folders at even base1000 would have been incredibly helpful for finding your favorite ciphered-number bingo card. Middle name NOVA, tried getting to 06682. Me and my mobile gave up after scrolling thru the first 3000 and things were slowing down
@JaborWithaY
@JaborWithaY 3 ай бұрын
I guess one way to look at it is that horizontal wins are mostly independent across the entire population of players, while vertical wins are highly correlated. This is a theme that's come up in other videos on the channel as well.
@landsgevaer
@landsgevaer 3 ай бұрын
Indeed. It only starts playing a role for enormous numbers of bingocards, since you'll have three times as many winners that all have the same column when a column wins, and how many do you need for rows and columns to occur identically on many cards...; his 10,000 won't show the effect much. A bit misleading. I hope for a follow-up.
@xyzx1234
@xyzx1234 3 ай бұрын
​​@@landsgevaerIs it possible to work out the math to understand how the answer "2.8:1" depends on the number of cards, n, say? If n=1, as you say, the ratio "row : column wins" equals 1. If n is infinite, we get the ratio from the video. What about for other n, assuming those n cards are drawn uniformly from all possible cards? For what n does the effect become "noticeable"? I think Matt mentioned a simulation in the paper. They must have used a small n (compared to 75!).
@lowkey_Ioki
@lowkey_Ioki 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, this made the idea of a single card having even odds but a bunch of cards having skewed odds finally intuitive to me.
@landsgevaer
@landsgevaer 3 ай бұрын
@@xyzx1234 Yeah, I later noticed that there are 3003 possible sets of numbers for the first column, so 10000 should indeed be enough. I overestimated that. Still, even a bingohall with thousands of participants is not something I've ever seen. ;-)
@spnhm34
@spnhm34 3 ай бұрын
All 75K bingo cards have “because that’s just a mathematical fact” as the winning square
@eknight1364
@eknight1364 3 ай бұрын
Hi, I am a bit confused with the bingo card counting. You use binomial coefficients but order matters. e.g. These cards are different even though they use the same column combinations _1_ 16 31 46 61 _2_ 17 32 47 62 3 18 x 48 63 4 19 33 49 64 5 20 34 50 65 _2_ 16 31 46 61 _1_ 17 32 47 62 3 18 x 48 63 4 19 33 49 64 5 20 34 50 65 I suggest using (I don't know the english translation, but here is the french name) "Arrangement", that are given by these formula: pAn = n! / (n-p)! Which gives us : 5A15 ^ 4 * 4A15 (a lot more) Then if the order of lines does not matter we can divide this by 4! since the middle line can't move, or if diagonals matter, we divide by 2.
@wulf2121
@wulf2121 3 ай бұрын
12:45 I actually had to pause there and think about what we are actually calculating. Not sure if that is because English is not my first language or if Matt did not explain it very well. We first had assumed that someone already had a winning card, this assumption is actually vital already here and not just later, because otherwise calculating the probablilities would be some orders of magnitude more complex. However, it is possible to draw a bingo sequence of 5 draws for which there exists no card that has that sequence in a horizontal line because of the distribution rule that column 1 had to be numbers from 1-15, so if there was drawn 1,2 for example, they would be in same column, so its not longer possible to have any winning card after 5 draws. So, what we are actually calculating here is the probability that for a randomly selected sequence of the first 5 bingo numbers, there exists a possible bingo card that has that sequence in a horizontal. So for the first number, there always exists some card that has it in any column, but the next number has be be one that can't appear in the same column (so its 60 out of 74 remaining) and so on. So that is why, the probabilities of horizontal+vertical don't add up to 1 here, only after the 17th draw there is 100% one possible bingo card in existance that wins with that sequence, so after calculating everything through up to that, all the probablilites add up to 1 (which is a nice check that there was not made any error and there was calculated everything that is possible)
@solandri69
@solandri69 3 ай бұрын
5:50 TIL the numbers on Bingo cards are not completely random.
@eyflfla
@eyflfla 3 ай бұрын
Diagonals feel like Horizontals by other means. I don't think the Horizontal rule applies to Matt's cards, unless they've been arranged in subsets as well.
@JdeBP
@JdeBP 3 ай бұрын
The examples shown on screen imply that they have been.
@bobson_dugnutt
@bobson_dugnutt 3 ай бұрын
Yeah with all cards in play, if there's a diagonal win there's always gonna be some horizontal wins at the same time (and vice versa).
@DaedalusYoung
@DaedalusYoung 3 ай бұрын
29:25 Noo, it's the Mr Beast-trap. Random chance to get a unique prize, only if one purchases the box set. That's the lethal combination that turns this into an illegal lottery.
@efhiii
@efhiii 3 ай бұрын
I was thinking the exact same thing.
@kingdweeb5065
@kingdweeb5065 2 ай бұрын
Interestingly, no such law where matt is.
@DaedalusYoung
@DaedalusYoung 2 ай бұрын
@@kingdweeb5065 the Gambling Act 2005 which prohibits lotteries without license?
@efhiii
@efhiii 2 ай бұрын
​@@kingdweeb5065 I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter where the lottery is run; if it allows participation from the United States, it's subject to US gambling laws.
@brianphelps2415
@brianphelps2415 3 ай бұрын
Bingo? (If there is any Matt not in England) 30:08 on Card 7247 Cameo Matt with Hair- On dust jacket of book Camera person Alex mentioned Matt in a country that isn't England (unverified) Spreadsheets Number larger than 10^10
@eight6155
@eight6155 3 ай бұрын
Using Bingo Card #00876, I got a Bingo at 15:08. Some are a bit iffy, though, so you be the judge: Ones that contributed to the win (along the minor diagonal) are marked with * 0:00: NULL * 0:00: Matt is wearing a blue t-shirt 0:22: More detail included in description (namely, the bingo card itself!) * 3:54: Stock video effect (Oooh! ...Okay, it's a sound effect, same difference) 9:08: Bad pun ("We got that one for free: number three" (or indeed any of the ball calls)) * 9:52: Number larger than 10^10 (75!) 11:00: Matt uses a calculator ("Or rather Wolfram Alpha can." That's a calculator! It calculates!) * 14:55: Future Matt (who mentions...) 15:08: Past Matt (aka present Matt) *
@Telruin
@Telruin 3 ай бұрын
About 10 minutes in. And I couldn't wait until the end :D. If I get this right. It's essentially a bag of 75 items. Sorting them by color, we can say there are 5 colors, 15 of each. We want to show that it's more probable that one of each color is picked, before 5 of the same color (or 4 of the middle one) I guess the middle one isn't needed for all possible boards... The verticals would be 2 more cases of 1 of each except middle color. Edit: I mean diagonals... not the verticals. It's hard to type while trying to listen. :D
@hexcodeff6624
@hexcodeff6624 3 ай бұрын
What's the point of making 10,000 bingo cards when it takes forever to scroll to the bottom ones? You probably should have made them in batches of 100 and put them in 100 folders and distribute those in packs of 10 between 10 folders
@Dysiode
@Dysiode 3 ай бұрын
100% this. I can't even load past 766. A simple html file directory would have been better
@fatsquirrel75
@fatsquirrel75 3 ай бұрын
I randomly generated a number, got 8632. I've been scrolling forever, is now down to 2200. I give up.
@urgay1992
@urgay1992 3 ай бұрын
Should've made a website that generates a random bingo card locally when you load it.
@nathangreene3
@nathangreene3 3 ай бұрын
@@fatsquirrel75 My randomly generated number was 64246 and I didn't make it to 03000 before settling on a particular favorite number I had already passed.
@Dorian_sapiens
@Dorian_sapiens 3 ай бұрын
A random card should be automatically assigned to each person who clicks the link. Dropbox probably doesn't support that functionality, so the 10,000 cards should have been uploaded to a site or app that does support it.
@meJaso
@meJaso 3 ай бұрын
That green marker is hard to see
@WillfulVisions
@WillfulVisions 3 ай бұрын
TL;DW: This paradox only applies when you construct the bingo card a very specific way according to certain rules. If you make your bingo cards by randomly assigning each number, word, idea, etc. to ANY empty box until the card is complete, this paradox doesn't apply to them and you can skip the video.
@bz938
@bz938 Ай бұрын
Do you mean when using the standard bingo card? You make it sound like it's rare to create bingo cards this way.
@RickyT15
@RickyT15 Ай бұрын
This varies by country, specially now it's mostly electronic. UK for example have tickets instead of cards with 3 rows of numbers 1-90. With 9 columns each being in groups of 10 increasing. Card version do exist in some usually a slot board in a 4x4 configuration. Again in column is in groups of 10 increasing instead of the 15 with those types in the video. Also the tickets only win on horizontal lines and no other way, where the 4x4 boards can be any configuration of vert, horizontal, diagonal or 4 corners. They also have nulls assigned assigned on some games. Where they are will depend on the company running it.
@Bulldog_65_2
@Bulldog_65_2 3 ай бұрын
As a Canadian, i purposely ordered the uk version. Personally, like the cover better as well as the spelling of a lot of words are more aligned with UK
@tastyjaffa7596
@tastyjaffa7596 3 ай бұрын
Drop box? Man My RNG number was 7689... To bad Drop box won't load any bingo card past 2,000 :( Wait I'm getting a bingo card... why oh no
@steffahn
@steffahn 3 ай бұрын
In my experience, you absolutely *can* show the cards, it just takes a loooooong time to load. I got to the 5000s myself in a few minutes (and with a warming laptop). Anyways, no idea why he didn’t just create 10 subfolders with 1000 entries each, that would’ve been so much more usable.
@Jagoalexander
@Jagoalexander 3 ай бұрын
Jokes on you, I’ve been playing bingo on your videos for a long time ;)
@JdeBP
@JdeBP 3 ай бұрын
You should now try playing KZbin-comments-section bingo. I already have "Parker Square", "maths with an 's'" and "Wolfram Alpha" crossed off. (-:
@kyleglowacki
@kyleglowacki 3 ай бұрын
The number of bingo cards is much higher as even if you choose the numbers 1,2,3,4,5 for column B, the can appear in any order. 12345, 12354, 12435, ... So, its not (15C5)^4*(15C4) as games don't often have quadrillions of players involved, so a solution won't happen in just 5 moves so you should consider the ordering within the columns. That said, given your assumption that all possible bingo cards are out there.. it doesn't make any difference, just that there are more bingo cards.
@gradow
@gradow 3 ай бұрын
Finally someone mentioned that the order of the numbers in the column matters!
@andrewberryman4957
@andrewberryman4957 29 күн бұрын
6:53 Bingo--More detail included in description; printed research paper used as a prop; NULL; Matt interacts with on-screen graphics; unboxing or unpackaging an object. Yes, I am counting removing one book cover to show the other cover as "unboxing or unpackaging." A Parker Bingo, perhaps, but I gave it a go.
@wisiferdaale3427
@wisiferdaale3427 3 ай бұрын
small detail: quickly explain what bingo is in the beginning of the video. i didn't know the game.
@witekki
@witekki 3 ай бұрын
I do not wish to cause any harm by my comment but i must ask, for your comment it is too weird. How old are you? One must be quite young not to know what bingo is. Tis the game for the elderly, in many tv shows it is repreaented as that. Much like bridge, but for even older people.
@wisiferdaale3427
@wisiferdaale3427 3 ай бұрын
@@witekki its ok. no probs. i am 33 years old. i don't consider myself old, yet. maybe its something locally played or i havent been too much in contact with it. i dont see it played by elderly people around here. i do see rummikub. but thats not a game played in a big group.
@Ahayeahishere
@Ahayeahishere 2 ай бұрын
​@@witekkiyour comment is a bit strange, after all you yourself also arent a kid anymore i assume and should understand that people all around the world speak english and use youtube and theres probably a lot of places that dont play or know bingo at all
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