Stanford ECON295/CS323 I 2024 I A World Without Work, Daniel Susskind

[@carstenmaul7220]

Imagine a world with good microphones

[@CodyAvant]

They’re running that mic through a binary step activation function 🤣

[@eatdriveplay]

its not the microphone's problem, that's a high end shure lavalier.... just poor audio engineering, overload on the inputs.

[@RickeyBowers]

We'll need to run it through AI.

[@saturdaysequalsyouth]

@@RickeyBowersI was listening to a podcast about AI and the host said the interview had terrible audio so they used AI to reconstruct a listenable show.

[@jacobgoldenart]

I know. Great talk but grab someone who understands gain staging to set the recording levels next time.

[@GungaLaGunga]

Thank you for posting this and sharing knowledge. I'd never be able to go to Stanford as a student. I love learning. Very interesting discussion.

[@UjjwalKumar01]

Thanks for uploading Daniel’s video! Always great to hear him.

[@alexwatson6370]

I think it's much more prudent, for any researcher on this topic, to focus on how to build and plan for a good future for humans before focusing on how the machines will help take the reins. If everyone ignores this moral responsibility, we will tiptoe straight into dystopia.

[@diga4696]

given todays dynamics of government and society - we are already there; AI is just along for the ride.

[@woverniox]

the problem is that coercive institutions already dominate most developed nations so releasing people from the burden of work has to come before any new organization can form. if we ignore our material reality for what could be in the future we face the risk of people 'falling through the gaps' e.g. poor, disenfranchised people simply being left to rot while the rich grow incredibly powerful and eventually view us as vestigial. Keep in mind they already do this for things like the climate and certain undesirables like Palestinians.

[@constantinelinardakis8394]

Problems 1. Inequality 2. Power (liberty, social justice, democracy) 3. Meaning

[@letstalksahccer2912]

I love the fact that I can kind of take this class even with no hope of getting into Stanford 😂

[@afterglow5285]

What else would you expect from a senior research ASSOCIATE at an institute of ETHICS in AI? Sure, he has an amazing voice, a lovely smile, hot. but that doesn’t make his arguments valid. He didn’t back anything he said with data, and his narrative feels more like fanfiction than something rooted in research or a solid economic framework. Honestly, this lecture would be better suited for a drunken debate in a pub than for an academic setting.

[@ALavin-en1kr]

A world without work may have already happened. I called for a document. Having the Representative’s phone number and extension I felt lucky. I wouldn’t have to go through ‘wait for the next available interviewer’. The phone rang I gave information and extension to automation. The phone rang again and I gave extension again to automation. Automation answered the party was not available leave a message which I did. Still waiting to hear from someone. With a single phone line and a single service representative in the dark ages I made a call, someone picked up; actually answered the phone. Who said life is getting better or that technology is making it anything other than worse.

[@ALavin-en1kr]

The people receiving the income people can do community service or attend classes to improve their minds or bodies; structure their day so life has meaning as successful Seniors have learned to do.

[@constantinelinardakis8394]

1:21:00 is a really good point

[@constantinelinardakis8394]

54:00 important 1:00:30 i agree with that point 100%

[@tube44a]

Stanford keeps doing these videos with poor audio... Come on!!!

[@williamtheoxhogg2]

Thanks for considering these issues. Two points. First it would be a guess to estimate what AI will look like and therefore its influence on the job market. Secondly if anything has been in evidence it is that central governments are the least competent or intelligent actors of all. I suspect that AI will be deflationary beyond what governments can screw up, a boon.

[@constantinelinardakis8394]

33:35 advances in slight changes that change the destination completely

[@UrbanNaturalist]

We tried universal basic income during Covid, we will pay for it in inflation for years. Printing money does not increase productivity or output, so everything we buy would more than match the increase of M2.

[@constantinelinardakis8394]

27:40 from understanding patterns and hunting similarities the ai works

[@constantinelinardakis8394]

14:00 identifying patterns

[@seadude]

44:00 thank you

[@anav587]

well, at time of posting, machines can indeed 'think' in a certain way, given o1

[@ireneuszpyc6684]

o1 doesn't think: it cannot drive a car in Buffalo (New York state) in winter (in bad weather)

[@tratbagd4500]

It's reasoning is flawed. I think I saw somewhere where it solved the puzzle and got a correct solution but when the reasoning steps were put in an ATP verifier, it turned out it's reasoning is flawed. In other words, it kept getting correct answers for things but for the wrong reasons. Obviously, not every time and not for every inquiry but still it's an issue.

[@pavelsmith2267]

Well, I have been a baker more than twice. I enjoyed the beginning of baker training, the slicing of bread. Such a mundane task, cutting bread. I enjoy many simple and mundane pursuits. Is the automotive field so large it will destroy the Moon?

[@sebastianbarry7033]

I wonder if the idea of the big state could in a sense halt advances of disruptive tech like AI. If those at the higher end of the wealth gap are forced to give away portions of their wealth to lower bracket tiers of society, they may prefer maintaining their wealth by ensuring that people (contributors in the economic system) are always employable as they are now while maintaining meritocratic principles. The latter being the natural way to re-distribute wealth, as opposed to a forced approach which may be consequential of advances in tech..

[@Maxboels]

Is Figure: "Global Output since 1 AD" normalised by the population size? This curve could be inflated by the world population increase.

[@seadude]

So interesting. The last few sentences in this video are ironic!

[@nitinsaklecha3262]

I see you started your timeline from 1700 British industrial revolution. One more thing happen that time was British trashed Indian civilization....the west progress is based on distribution of India...

[@richardnunziata3221]

What about legacy wealth , rents and fees .If the state pays for these things then the state exacerbates a form of wealth inequality. Free healthcare , education, food, access to information would be a good start. How about a public service corp that pays a additional benefit over UBI . Less and better educated people in the world is a good solution.

[@joelalexander928]

The twist in the tail was a dingleberry

[@murrayclarke2171]

Great talk. Lot's to ponder but if we consider the idea of Universal Basic Equity, how does that work? Do we all wait to see what dividend's Sam will distribute to the people every Friday afternoon? Agreed on the Conditional Basic Income concept as it should reward people who contribute positively to society over those who take the cash and do nothing at all.

[@RajeevKumar-wl6ei]

Wouldn't the question of 'social solidarity' be a moot point if the AI genie perpetual machine can give us all free lunches?

[@constantinelinardakis8394]

1:17:45 is good

[@FreakyStyleytobby]

The guy seems delusional if he proposes to fight back AI with taxation in order to keep people at work. No country will trade higher efficiency (through infinitely fast factories) for satisfaction of some workers.

[@wsdookadr]

govs only source of income are taxes. putting people out of jobs means way less taxes and the eventual dissolution of govs.

[@FreakyStyleytobby]

@wsdookadr interesting point indeed. Though in the current model: robotised companies also pay taxes. Raising their taxes would be a tough thing as they lobby hard. The govs wouldn't dissolve though. And they'd be incentivised to push with the "innovation", namely making the country more powerful, productive. A group of ppl who want to work? Who really needs that

[@FreakyStyleytobby]

@wsdookadr btw such model is already present. Look at China and their most powerful sea port. It's fully automatised

[@amanieux]

fix your audio recording levels !

[@EmmanuelMess]

Why would society sacrifice efficiency of production to selectively improve "complementing" tools? To prevent jobs from being automated seems unnecessary and could cause very large societal loses in the long term.

[@constantinelinardakis8394]

48:00 problems without work

[@constantinelinardakis8394]

30:00 not copying the judgment of people

[@bhavtosh5328]

If UBI gets implemented and everyone gets money then i think crime issue will be somehow resolved.Discussion around sitting idle during pandemic is different because then the main problem was restricted movement.

[@datafakts]

Are you so naïve that you think that greed would stop to exist after millions of years of human evolution? You can only control this with massive police force which essentially points to a China like dictatorship that already practises this evil process.

[@HimanshuPakhale-n3i]

Our all economic growth based on nature's exploitation

[@constantinelinardakis8394]

42:00 supplement or complement workers? Why pick complement workers, why is unemployment so bad?

[@j.9582]

Maybe you’re right, but as they say “Idle hands are the devil’s playthings.” Look at the unemployment of many various regions around the world and you’ll find high rates of terrorism and trafficking.

[@constantinelinardakis8394]

@@j.9582 I agree but that, but the connotation of unemployment in today's terms will be different than the connotation later on (IMO of course). The unemployment today is that people are lazy, living off of government grants, not advancing humanity, etc. While the unemployment later on will be because of doing things so affectively without human intervention that human involvement will only slow the process of getting things done. IMO there is a big difference between the two, one being because society is lazy (not working due to their emotional feelings) and the other because them working will only slow down the process of getting things done.

[@moastray5093]

Why would we protect work?, no body wants to work.... Cant we just be free?, i havent seen my friends in months and its because the mayority of us are always "working"... agh i hate this

[@bariswheel]

Stanford University cannot afford better mics ? Maybe they need a go fund me ? I feel so bad for them 😢

[@constantinelinardakis8394]

38:35 to 40 talks about argument against there being no unemployment

[@constantinelinardakis8394]

21:33 yes or no questions is not great for today

[@constantinelinardakis8394]

24:10 ai couldn't br better than a person because the person tells the ai what to do... only in the past

[@MartinCharles]

the title is a trap but i'm a fan of the talk

[@seadude]

PS: please either buy a new mic setup or hire a pro audio engineer! Hard to listen to.

[@juancarlosv5136]

I'm not an english native speaker person and I have no general understanding problems. The audio seems decent to me

[@jasperbutcher459]

read my book aah lecture

[@constantinelinardakis8394]

37:20 women are doing the jobs that ai wont do?

[@wantstocomment7092]

50:36 how can one equate an unilateral abuse of power to the very absence of authority or control - a property of mathematics - is puzzling. Ruined this for me. The patient for some reason always runs away from the doctor and also from basic political theory around recognition and redistribution.

[@tratbagd4500]

Thanks but no thanks. Also, this is likely not going to happen soon

[@meisherenow]

Lost me with the inaccurate history of AI.

[@Jorn-sy6ho]

Why would anyone ask an economist if things outside their field of work will be able to be automated? If task is harder than ‘being an economist’, they lose their job……… why trust the answer?

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[@bhuwannepathya]

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[@Raul19818]

My god, and this is Stanford. I cannot picture more mediocre universities. This guy talking about "not about central planning but about central distribution by a big State", as if there were any difference. Also, he thinks that this advancement can be lead to something more complementary, as if it was possible in the past (with horses for example😂). When in History any tecnological advancement has lead to less work? There are full employment in many countries as I write this. Maybe this time is different, who knows, but History doesnot tell so.

[@VeblenGrover-d9d]

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[@RobFields-c5r]

Perhaps this guy can write, but this presentation is insanely dull.

[@peignoir]

i stopped at taxes

[@RobFields-c5r]

Perhaps this guy can write, but this presentation is insanely dull.