Stanley Ketchel vs Billy Papke, IV

Stanley Ketchel vs Billy Papke.
Стэнли Кэтчел против Билли Папке, 5 июля 1909 г., 1, 9, 13, 17 и 20-ый раунды, победа Кэтчела (UD)

[@geomatiq]

Tyson and Joe brought me here

[@kentishtowncowboy]

The commentator, Jimmy Jacobs, mentions that Papke won the second of their fights. It has been asserted that at that fight, whilst being introduced, Papke struck Ketchel an unexpected punch. This shocked Ketchel and he took a sustained beating hence the loss. In the return (the Third fight) he took his revenge and gave Papke a beating.

[@808breaksbad]

I also heard of that "sucker punch" account.

[@mr.mendez9378]

Stanley Ketchel was the “Michigan Assassin”… Great fighter.

[@joegould4829]

What a fighter Stan was.

[@gallegogras]

gracias excelente

[@marymartin165]

Notice how they come alive in round 17, -20. Also they put hands up as they came in close to one another. Dropped hands at a distance. Old time boxing had it's own logic.

[@allancerf9038]

spaseba for this!

[@davidcopson5800]

"Abbreviated shorts".

[@justinday2916]

I love the critics cause it's not you in that ring for 20 rounds, it's not you getting hit by fist wearing 5oz gloves, it's not you before a massive crowd earning respect. as a matter of fact it could never be you cause you wouldn't have the backbone to fight for 20 rounds just to put food on the table!

[@igorstein5616]

Well said there are to many arm chair Warriors . These were the Days of the Hungry fighters ,read the Book about his life called Brutality it is the best Book i have read about a Boxers life and a shame the way it ended

[@TheG55coffia]

Mr. Day is very right. We live in a world today that one may just say somthin and ppl began to cry.Its ironic that ppl by in that day were not only tuff, but had great morals and respect 4 each other also!

[@catatonicandgin5548]

TheG55coffia .. They did have great morals and respect until Zionism invaded our govt....media....money....and way of life...

[@CYBOPOD88]

It's hard to imagine the sheer toughness of these fighters,,, I've always heard these old fighters were the greatest... not criticizing, but the more recent middleweights would have destroyed them.. Hurricane Carter, Marvelous Hagler, Tony Zale, Sugar Ray Robinson, Gene Fullmer, Rocky Graziano, Zab Judah.. Emile Griffith, Tommy Hearns, Carlos Monzón and many more.. In fact, I can't think of any modern day great who couldn't beat these guys.. But like you said, being there in the flesh is a big difference then watching old films.

[@stevenwilson9280]

@@CYBOPOD88 I wouldn't say Tony Zale was modern day 1934 - 48, as for Hurricane Carter he was a Journeyman boxer 27-12- 1. If Boxers back then fought boxers today they would have the fitness of todays boxers.

[@markjohnson9111]

very little of ketchel on film just this fight and the johnson fight as far as i knew but ketchel sure could punch as he proved against the much bigger johnson .

[@IceveinsProductions]

Papke confused his boxing gear with his party outfit for The Blue Oyster.

[@igorstein5616]

Nah there was not as many perverted minds back then so you take yourself to the Blue Oyster

[@truthhitman7473]

Yes there was. People were gay as hell even back then and before.

[@roberts4587]

igor stein yes there was, maybe even worse.

[@COBBETT1215]

Two tough, brave men. But it seems so crude. No protective cups, which would explain the near naked Papke, and their determination to tie each up and clinch so tightly when at close range.

[@rebelliousredneckvlogs]

It was a different game, much more grappling, believe me the science was there

[@COBBETT1215]

Tough, super fit hard-men. Their exchanges seem to indicate that they're very aware of being hit in the "groin". Very quick to grab and clutch in close. No cups then, and from what I've read, neither of these fellows were noted for being particularly gentlemanly in the ring. I wonder if any attendant was brave enough to pick up Papkes discarded Jock strap in the dressing room after the fight. Perhaps it's still there, untouched. Buried, humming away. And why did the referee choose to wear that ridiculously huge night shirt with the long flapping sleeves. It gets in the way and the cuffs get soaked in blood. Their fighting style seems to hark back to the days of the London Prize Ring.

[@1saxonwolf]

Ketches broke his hand early in fight. Notice after 1st round he rarely throws a right hand.

[@grawakendream8980]

ketchels 30 rounder with joe thomas was supposed to be the greatest brawl in history, by some acounts

[@vigorkomar7296]

ketchel knocked out thomas in 32 scheduled for 40 in the greatest fight ever. s.k. was down in 29 almost counted up. i have nice pisture of the very end, s.k. standing over thomas...

[@grawakendream8980]

@@vigorkomar7296 that's cool that you know about something about that fight.

[@vigorkomar7296]

@@grawakendream8980 know much more! I even have had the envelope for the ticket! with the photos of sk and thomas given from the niece of ketchel who gave me that along with some photos when she was over 90 years old!

[@vigorkomar7296]

@@grawakendream8980 where are you from?

[@grawakendream8980]

@@vigorkomar7296 southern california

[@Kedbuka]

Papke was outfitted like a Greek athlete.

[@davidcopson5800]

Indeed. Near naked aggression from Papke.

[@johnhoward8436]

Billy is fighting in his jock strap, weird.

[@carey579]

I would only be interested in men hitting each other if they wore skimpy underwear 🍑🙏

[@moeharvard]

Was this a boxing match or a wrestling match?

[@ramirosuarez4141]

Both

[@AndrewNewZealand]

In which round did Papke lose his shorts? 😄

[@thomasespinosa6709]

He was like👊😠🫸 Tyson, no🧦 socks,🥼 robe, or trunks 🩳.

[@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y]

Imagine if Ketchel had lost. His friends would've said: ''I heard you got beat up by a guy in a thong.''

[@snd7622]

His real name was Stanislaw Kiecal and he was Polish.

[@auletjohnast03638]

I THINK PACKEY IS FIGHTING NAKED.

[@sugarlanskee8]

"Ketchel tying Papke up"? Uh, no. Billy "The Rope" lost every round.

[@44032]

Ketchel has an awesome record, (53-4-5, 50-2), and an awesome reputation. But it's hard to find film where he's all that impressive. He seems like a very crude/brawler/wrestler. He had to have been more than that.

[@Section5_CdnIntelService]

Not really. They all fought that way. More wrassling than boxing.

[@grawakendream8980]

he doesn't look like a brawler, there is technique there. look at a tough guy contest and you'll see brawling with no technique

[@808breaksbad]

"Abbreviated Shorts" ?? That's a Sumo wrestlers wrap.

[@AKHerms]

Worst refs ever

[@Trashfished]

I want a hat like the crowd is wearing.

[@davidcopson5800]

The whole crowd is wearing just one hat?!

[@taylor.rafferty]

He wearing a G string

[@Bestroblozianxxx]

I knew stanley Ketchel’s granddaughter from long island

[@robertdipaola3447]

Interesting, l know long Island, where abouts, if you don't mind my asking

[@vigorkomar7296]

ketchel was childless

[@germanmorales1619]

Mas que boxeo, parece artes marciales mixtas, version 1910

[@markdunham9949]

not much action is there?

[@paullav6651]

Ketchel and Papke never got on, Stanley once said I wish you would wear proper shorts Billy, I'll have to look at your feet to tell whether your face up or down when I knock you out

[@daveweller9579]

Did Billy Papke forget his pants

[@helgar791]

No jabs or combinations, no footwork, hands at their waists, little straight punching, plenty of what today in the UFC is called "dirty boxing". Not much strategy, it's all about asserting your will; the ref sure gets a workout. With these techniques why do so many call these old timers great fighters? Of course for their day, but compared to even today's diluted pool?

[@perezperez1912]

ask mayweather that. infact ask any fighters thst change the momentum of the fight by wrestling or clinching , ask Duran etc., there's a art to that snd believe me it's much more exerting to wrestle another fighter and punch than just to punch alone ,there's a difference in muscle endurance and it takes someone who is totally inshape to go 20 rds like this; let's not mention these guys fought many times in a month and Stanley fought over 20 rds and many fights aren't properly recorded via box rec ,these men fought well into the 300 mark in there careers, imagine boxing a guy that's 210 and you are 150 , now let's go further now imagine you box the heavyweight champ and make it into the 12 Rd ,then get koed and your out could for what was recorded as well past 2mins.. only to get up with your front teeth missing and fighr the next week and win . if that happen to today's fighters they would be brain dead. let's face it; today's fighters aren't as technical, as smart or tough. they are softer and pampered and have a cuter way of fighting , it's no longer a sport it's merely "show business with blood" -frank Bruno

[@Kevintu28]

David Perez yea I agree I feel Langford today would look like a mix of qawi Tyson and toney but could clinch anyone

[@samtotheg]

@Mister Wiggy hands are not down near waist , look at how papke comes in , rear hand in a parry position to stop jabs and his lead hand pumping feint jabs so hes defending nad in position to whole time until he can get close enuff to clinch ,a lot mroe scientific than walking up with a high guard letting the opponent bomb on you while you try to close the gap!

[@WinstonNewYork]

More of a wrestling match.

[@Section5_CdnIntelService]

Misinformation. When Papke fought Fireman Jim Flynn, he weighed 159 to Flynn's 167. No 40 pound difference.

[@anthonybryant1969]

To much hitting and holding.

[@phillecompte3438]

Good grief what sort of boxing is that .Today's boxers would knock these guys out in the first round with ease .

[@waynemiles7027]

Referee was pathetic just as they are today, nothing’s changed!

[@TheBatugan77]

Shittin'andFartin'... 😁💨💨💨💨💨💨💨💩🗣️

[@chriswaterman8245]

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[@05gnavarro]

Carlos Monzón and Marvin Hagler both would have beaten him easily

[@truthhitman7473]

You don't know that for sure. This was Stanley Ketchel's 5th fight that same year. And in those days fights went 20 rounds. One fight alone is enough to take a lot of a person, let alone 5 world championship fights, especially with those small light gloves.

[@bernie4366]

@@truthhitman7473 dude, Marco Antonio Barrera would have destroyed either of these guys. They didn't have the technique back then. Give them modern training and it's a different story, but if you're looking at this video thinking these guys, as they were, could hang with decent modern fighter then you're blind.

[@marcxopoco]

Hagler struggled with fat, old tired Lightweight Roberto Duran. Hagler would not have lasted five rounds with either Ketchel or Papke.

[@MC-pz3ps]

Although tough, they fight like amateurs , modern day boxers like Tommy Hearns would have killed them, quick!

[@tomcairns756]

Awful to watch. Not really boxing. All they did was look to land the one big punch.

[@johnshort5003]

The film quality is not very sharp but it looks like Papke is wearing panties. Not very stylish boxing, seems like a wrestling match with a few wild punches. But they do look very spry after 20 rounds.

[@Section5_CdnIntelService]

Not overly impressed with Ketchel. Seems pretty skinny for a middleweight. Lots of clinching and wild punches. Sam Langford would have destroyed Ketchel in a 20 round fight, as would Tommy Burns.

[@trvth1s]

Usually slim fighters are the best fighters. Being fat in boxing is not an advantage. Research photos of Sugar Ray Robinson in Welterweight. He looked like a toothpick but he was 6' tall for a welterweight which is HUGE thus he got the job done.

[@Section5_CdnIntelService]

Sam Langford was just a shade under 5'8" not 5'6" as is often mentioned. He took it easy with Ketchel because he hoped to get him in a longer more lucrative match. Had he ko'd Ketchel, it would've scared off white heavies.

[@Section5_CdnIntelService]

Saw a copy of a travel visa from the 20s in which he was listed at 5 feet 7 and 3/4".

[@paulywalnuts5008]

klmrxz That sounds like a strong source, you should correct Wikipedia.

[@devilface97]

@@Section5_CdnIntelService sounds like 5'6 without shoes tbh