Primo Carnera vs Joe Louis

Primo Carnera vs Joe Louis. Jun. 25, 1935. Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York, United States.
Примо Карнера против Джо Луиса, 25 июня 1935 г., 1-3, 5 и 6-ой раунды, победа Луиса в 6-ом раунде (TKO).

[@tintomara6209]

At least Carnera had the satisfaction of lasting longer than Baer did against Louis.

[@allenmoses110]

Joe Lewis. So smooth and purposeful. Never a wasted move. A study in economy of effort. Artistry of KAPOW!

[@scbutler51]

Joe (E) Lewis was a comedian. The boxer is Joe Louis.

[@Mikep487]

@@scbutler51 There was a noted kickboxer named Joe Lewis.

[@richardoconnor2560]

Allen Moses, well said.

[@claudioteixeira4140]

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[@inhibited44]

Did you see the first round of Tyson vs Lennox Lewis. tyson went after Lewis immediately and at one point got clobbered in the first round by a right to the head. tyson was never the same after that first shot to the head. Tyson would do the same against Louis and probably get destroyed by a four punch combination.

[@inhibited44]

great quote about Joe Louis by one man he defeated, Max Baer - "I define fear as standing across the ring from Joe Louis and knowing he wants to go home early."

[@warrenrosen2326]

Louis/Baer. Clay/Williams. Same fight.

[@Uuyrijies1123]

@@warrenrosen2326 Baer had broken his hand and lowered his punching power after he had killed his opponents prior to fighting Joe Louis, Williams was shot in the stomach prior to fighting Ali. So yeah, your right.

[@BruceAChristie]

Louis got married the same day as the fight with Baer and was eager to be with his wife. So Baer’s comment has a particular punch to it, having known that. Louis said it was one of his best fights as his energy was at a high point that night.

[@inhibited44]

@@BruceAChristie - Interesting. I didn't know that. Was that tidbit from a biography?

[@inhibited44]

@@BruceAChristie Louis must not have been too concerned about Max Baer's ability to mess up his face prior to his honeymoon.

[@champaray8025]

Primo was huge and a terrifying physical specimen but he had very little boxing skills. He is fighting Joe, very likely the most accurate, proficient, combination and power shot puncher in history. Kudos to Primo for getting up after eating some serious shots that would take a lesser fighter's head clean off.

[@colinsludds9249]

To be fair you don't win 90 fights in boxing with very little skill. Let's be honest.

[@MorayEel]

Carnera was skilled but not on the level of the Brown Bomber who smartly comes in boxing off the jab not winging power punches likeany fighters today. Carnera would probably beat Joshua Fury Wilder etc because he was 270 lbs lean all muscle and he was a proficient had a jab unheard of in boxing to be 270 lean especially since he didn't lift weights Tyson Fury is 270 lbs of KFC.

[@mider-spanman5577]

Joe Louis had great defense! I love how he can parry punches with relative ease. He also had great footwork.

[@marvinwashington2600]

Dontae Wilder punch can't be parry

[@drock3004]

Marvin washington this didn’t age well lol

[@douglascereghin1789]

Joe Louis style was ahead of its time, he used the left has a offensive weapon (jab) most fighters didn't know how to deal with it . your spot on about the footwork

[@acetofresh1]

@@marvinwashington2600 Casual, Carnera knocked out more men than any heavy weight, in a very competitive era. Wilder is overrated , he was walked down by Clemente Russo , 5 11 heavyweight in olympics, and Fury did the same.

[@acetofresh1]

@@cmoneytheman Nonsense

[@Cthulu54]

Thanks for these videos. Can't get enough of Joe Louis. Carnera was game as hell.

[@andrewr62]

Louis was awesome. Carnera showed courage under fire.

[@aarondigby5054]

What a krud a#$ fight, bum of the month club JL use to talk about

[@MrAitraining]

Classic uploads of these Louis fights. Cool. Thanks!

[@carlosabellan2176]

Gran vídeo, histórica pelea de dos super campeones.Gracias. Amigo.

[@conor9345]

Was primo considered good?

[@garymorris1856]

It's great to watch this fight from over 80 years ago !

[@WJKPhD]

thanks for this great boxing moment in history

[@IceveinsProductions]

My first time actually watching a full Carnera fight, I now think it's unfair for him to have the reputation of being a big, skill-less oaf. He actually threw a good flicker jab, ate some hard shots and used the ring fairly well. His biggest weakness was lacking a varied punch arsenal, he relied mainly on his jab and committed to little else.

[@jamespuso1627]

I'm kinda just getting into boxing now for some random reason but he moved pretty fast and smooth for a big guy

[@johanberggren5844]

In todays competition he would be called a master technician

[@dylonmc4323]

I was just thinking that. I felt like he could have been a little more aggressive.

[@johnnyangel9163]

Primo!How come you can't throw a straight right!

[@robertgissy2851]

Lewis l always thought he had a modern style always slightly crouching ready to exploit opportunities or counter punch when under pressure . Lucky we have the old footage so we can appreciate just how good he was .

[@edwarddeitch8886]

What absolutely amazes me is that Carnera in this and the Baer fight had such poor ring generalship and teaching that he didn't stay down rise to a knee and take an 8 or 9 count after each knockdown.

[@JorgeRojas-ut3wj]

Look at that big monster! And Primo Carnera was pretty big too.

[@polymath7]

13:05 Wait or it... boom. One of the most perfect right hand counters ever thrown. If you're not impressed, then you just don't know how to read this old film and mentally compensate for its choppiness. If this were HD color film, you'd be impressed I _promise_ you.

[@cadenmcerlean4920]

I can't see how you couldn't recognize that now. Their was a resounding thwack as soon as he connected. Even if you couldn't see it too well, you could hear how hard that hit.

[@jah12wi]

polymath7 Holy shit they didnt even do standing counts back then wtf

[@kurthrberg1346]

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[@integratedathleticsystemst546]

Carnera moved much better than the press indicated from those days. Carnera had a decent jab and strong uppercuts. He wasn’t taught much, about how and when to use his physical assets, with finesse. Baer and Louis damaged him greatly but he did get up from the numerous knockdowns from extremely hard punchers. Louis was in a class by himself, in those days. Anyone he hit cleanly pretty much dropped. I believe he would have trouble with Ali, Tyson, Lewis, and Fury, unless he was able to hit them, tall and or elusive and or sharp punchers.

[@filippodelstabile1512]

How did you get this footage? By the way, really cool to see, nice job.

[@tommyvette969]

I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW PRIMO WAS CHARACHERIZED AS A FAKE IN THE MOVIE BECAUSE HE WENT 7 ROUNDS HERE WITH THE BEST IN THE WORLD.

[@crawfordgalbraith73]

There is a link, but people have gotten the film and the reality blurred. The film is the film and people have taken it as gospel. As a true account of Primo's career which it is not. Carnera was deeply hurt by the film. If he was that bad ( not a real boxer all of whose fights were fixed), then how come he took two savage beatings from two of the hardest punchers in boxing history without getting knocked unconscious or even down for ten? In the film Jersey Joe Walcott shows the giant he has a glass chin in sparring, remember. That's more like Wladimir Klitschko. If he'd been hit by Louis and Baer like Primo was, he'd have been out for a week.

[@anonymousanonymous3707]

When you pray for rain you've got to deal with the mud too 👍

[@kevochallen283]

awh, poor primo, he was a gentle giant, he did pretty well in this fight considering....

[@lastrada52]

The gentle giant cwilli Iv -- holds the record for KO's in the heavyweight division to this day. Trailing only Ezzard Charles & his 95 overall wins. Carnera holds the 2nd-most victories of all heavyweight champions at 88. However, Carnera's 71 career KO's are the most of any world heavyweight champion. Fighters who have come close to that record had far longer careers. No one has exceeded it. Primo's record does not show a lot of bums -- but formidable opponents -- several former champions & champions to come. Also, if Primo was such a bum why was Joe Louis so cautious? He didn't under-estimate Primo. And Carnera did land many jabs & punches on Louis. Primo was no bum -- he feared no one. His drawback --- a little awkward & if he was trained by an Angelo Dundee, Cus D'Amato or Kevin Rooney in his day -- Primo would've been more of a monster. I noticed that when Primo was in trouble he didn't know how to clinch & tie up a fighter. He did master the art of cutting off the ring.

[@eldiablov2]

Few Fighters were as exploited as Primo. The people around him really took advantage of him

[@ronalds.658]

Carnera fought Joe Louis and Max Baer two of the most powerful punchers in boxing history. Also, he took some very hard shots in those fights. It's a wonder he didn't suffer brain damage, but he was a big, and a strong tough man. Joe Louis is legendary with his hard punches, quick moves and patience.

[@kevinmunday5782]

@@lastrada52 Its almost certain that a lot of primos Victories were fixed tho....

[@lastrada52]

@@kevinmunday5782 - Boy, that would have been some undertaking considering how many people would've known about it. And the fact that Primo did fight some name fighters & defeated them. That even Joe Louis said Primo was a dangerous foe & had an excellent jab. Kevin -- there was a "fixed" betting line on Primo & some of his handlers may have been of questionable morals -- but he was never KO'd (he was stopped, but never went out on his back). But those betting lines were on most fights, not just Primo. His fights came under scrutiny because why? He was Italian. But then how did he get away with it in a career of 103 fights? Ask yourself...someone would've known they were all fake. Not Jack Sharkey? Or any of the foreign fighters who were ranked, some lost to a decision (if fixed why, not a KO?). In all the reputable boxing magazines & record books to date -- Primo won more fights by KO than any other heavyweight champion in boxing history. They don't dispute it. Now, if I were to fix a fight for a boxer why would I have to have him do so much work? Like when he fought Max Baer? No gangster got to Baer to tell him to take a dive? (maybe they didn't have that kind of influence). Now that may have led to an investigation. Everyone forgets that as many times as Primo hit the canvass in that fight, he often took Max with him. Max was not a fighter with finesse. He was dangerous but he clumsy. Primo actually never had an embarrassing loss. Max never KO'd Primo with all the circus-atmosphere that surrounded that crazy bout. But Primo fought 18 more times with 12 wins & a loss to Joe Louis. I don't think Primo's fights were fixed -- not in the ring itself. He had skills. Joe Louis said so. And Primo was a scary guy. Probably the best naturally cut boxer in history. His physique & strength were incredible. He was bigger than George Foreman. Maybe he had a glass jaw (though he was never KO'd) -- but he was far more courageous & had more abilities than say today's, Bob Sapp (who despite his size should not be in the ring).

[@jimmac2445]

Another great post rsmorodinov. First time I've actually got to see this one. This was Louis's first opponent that was an ex champion and his debut in NYC.

[@alidaygo619]

Joe Louis is my all-time favorite heavyweight

[@ralphmichaelmuller769]

depending on skills, movement and the way to slip punches... ezzard charles was better TBE

[@mariocamponeschi1107]

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[@cmoneytheman]

Another person who never seen matches in other eras

[@joep8787]

Joe Louis may have been shorter and not as strong as Carnera, but Louis timed his punches so that every bit of his weight was behind them. Carnera seemed to throw all his punches when he was off balance.

[@VCthaGOATdunker]

I like how Louis would pat his opponents on the shoulder after destroying them.

[@anakinwildstar8759]

i know right? like the first bout with Schmelling, Charles and Marciano. =D

[@francododdo564]

Anche Louis in quanto ad incontri truccati ha avuto la sua parte

[@TheBatugan77]

@@francododdo564 Tutti frutti baba louie piscotti rigotti

[@yaseenholton3557]

Joe louis. The greatest boxer of all time.

[@dustyrustymusty3577]

Amazing how low they both carried their left hands.

[@anakinwildstar8759]

I love watching old boxing fights....much much much more classier than today's shit. I DO give kudos to the last Deontay Wilder/TYson Fury post fight stuff..they tied/drew against eachother and both credited the other. glad to see at least there are SOME 'gentlemen pugilists' left. i know most talk trash to hype their fights up', but at least keep it clean, like the Hearns/Hagler prefight stuff. =D who's watching in 2019??? =D

[@jamescrabb8766]

Carnera was a good tough fighter who was probably a top 10 fighter but not great or the best. If his big crime is not being the best he is guilty, but he had a solid punch and courage. He was not the bum some try to claim just a good fighter who fought some better fighters.

[@millardwashington6216]

The opening commentary of this film tells you all you need to know.

[@crawlFace]

Outstanding. Carnera was a big guy, lethal puncher, great jab; he was serious in there. Throughout the fight when the bell rang you could see Carnera run out to Louis to fight, and he did fight a really good fight, but everything Louis did seemed to be more effective and it did seem like Louis was steadily increasing control of the fight. I think Carnera is a perfect example of how Vitali and Wlad would match up against Louis, so there you have it, Louis is faster with a punch that is as strong as anyone's. It doesn't take much to get an idea of how Lennox would flare vs Louis and I'd say Carnera was a bigger puncher than Lennox.

[@reddestroyer9809]

According to one boxing book i have read Primo Carnera was a complete bum, a lot of his fights were apparently fixed. So i don't think you can compare him to Lennox, Lennox was probably on another level. As to Lennox fighting Joe, i think Lennox would've given Joe a lot of trouble. Lennox was just too big for Joe, very fast and skilled.

[@crawlFace]

Red Destroyer I heard the same about Carnera but I have analyzed most available footage and I am convinced that Carnera made a conscious effort to get better and develop some skill. Bum and fixed competition or not it doesn't tae much to see what Carnera brings to the table. He's a big guy with a big punch. But by the time he faced Louis he had improved on his defense and positioning. I feel technically the Louis fight was one of Carnera's better fights as far as use of skill and boxing. He had a jab going, he kept his gloves in good defensive positions and he kept his body position composed for the most part. I suppose he was just too big and not polished enough to edge the elite fighters in the big exchanges of a fight, so he got beat by the best. I do feel Lennox has the skill and better use of his size as well as better defense to beat Carnera. Sincerely, I ask you to rethink the too big size argument. Joe actually had the most difficulty with smaller guys and dancers and stick and move fast opponents. Joe took care of all the big fighters similar to Lennox's size. With that being said, no one is walking right over Lennox but speed and power edge actually go to Louis. Louis is faster than Lennox and Lennox notoriously slows down throughout his fights. Lennox rarely had to defend against punches that were as fast and powerful and technically precise as Joe Louis' punches. Keep this in mind also, the reason we don't see so many Lennox Lewis size fighters in the past is because they couldn't consistently do well vs the Joe Louis size heavyweights. Louis was not small, he jut didn't weigh 220 but he certainly hit like he did. You can bet that if a 6'6" 250lb fighter could thrive in the division in the past then we certainly would have seen them. Don't tell me there were no 6'6" inch people back then. My theory is that they just couldn't do well enough to make it to the top because speed and power is the deadliest combo and will trump speed and size or power and size. As you probably know, yesteryear's fighters were vicious on the inside. Big hulking fighters had their size exploited. The ideal heavyweight seemed to be a fighter who possessed all the skills Lennox did and had the same power but was a little smaller and faster.

[@reddestroyer9809]

crawlFace Well you know what they say, a good big fighter will beat a good small fighter. The problem i see is the reach advantage Lennox would've over Joe, it would've been very difficult for Joe to bypass Lennox's great jab and even if he did Lennox would've probably clinched him with his big long arms. Let me just emphasize that Lennox was much more gifted then all those big guys Joe fought, he's considered to have been the last great heavyweight. In his prime he probably would've beaten Evander, Ridick and Tyson. Joe would've a lot on his plate, he would've to deal with a great long jab, uppercuts, a long cross and constant clinching. I do actually think Joe would've beaten Lennox for the reasons you mentioned, but he would've gone through hell. Also if you don't mind me asking, you seem like a keen observer of the sport. I would like to know who in your opinion is the best fighter pound for pound you have ever seen. Maybe even your top 3 if you don't mind?

[@crawlFace]

Red Destroyer Pound for pound is tough because we're talking any weight class and there's still so many fights I haven't seen or spent time analyzing. Give me a sec to consider a few names. I did recently think about p4p when I was analyzing fighters who weren't true heavyweights, but got up there to fight some heavies, but were so good that they sometimes get ranked with the heavyweights. For ex. A.Moore

[@crawlFace]

Red Destroyer To be fair, in the past I agreed with many on Sugar Ray Robinson as p4p but I've been learning about some other really good fighters and the tricky part is the lack of film for some.

[@dalejohnson3327]

Wow!!! Crushing left hook!!

[@theconsigliere6329]

Joe was just textbook perfect. Energy preservation and precise attack 👌👌

[@Rick-dp5vm]

Carnera was a very good fighter. Big and strong.Great jab mostly with a right hand sometimes and pretty good movement to avoid punches. He'd have to be very good to last almost 6 rounds with a prime Louis. His downfall was that his big heavy powerful machinery got tired and slowed in the 5th round, a very bad thing to do against Louis.

[@author7027]

he couldnt punch his opponent fast enough. and hit the moving target. he should force the blow exchange from the first round. later he became slower and weaker .

[@author7027]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ip2WaGOQjNWpmbM Victorio Campolo height 6′ 9½″ / 207cm reach 82″ / 208cm residence Quilmes, Buenos Aires, Argentina birth place Reggio Calabria, Calabria, Italy

[@Mikep487]

To call Primo a very good fighter is wishful thinking. He lasted as long as he did against Joe because of Joe's probing and deliberate nature. He was in no hurry. He just continued to be both cautious and aggressive enough to get the job done.

[@joseluisliendodurzola1350]

Es una pena,no merecía morir así ,en la pobreza tanto que dio a su país para que el fisco estadounidense lo acabara económicamente brutal,que estés en el paraíso campeón!

[@jesusrobles6816]

En el boxeo un golpe puede cambiar una pelea en esta contienda lo hizo Louis estaba siendo muy superado hasta que conecto su famoso Cross derecho

[@tc19948]

Primo Carnera wasn't a bum, just because he lost to Joe Louis. Joe Louis was a step up from anything that had been seen, also don't forget that even he got tagged in the first Schmeling fight. Also Primo wasn't destroyed as a man after this fight.

[@JT-jb4mr]

If Joe Louis had retired after the Jersey Joe Walcott fight I think he would be tied with Ali as the greatest of all time. IMO he’s #2

[@BrotherPatriot]

@@JT-jb4mr Negative. Joe Louis is well known to be the most complete boxer in History. When Ali lost his speed...he was never of the same quality as he was during the 60's but he was simply AMAZING during them.

[@davew1421]

CrawlFace is right; Carnersa was clearly not the hopeless bum he is often dismissed as. He had a useful jab, quite a hard right hand, and he took a punch well.

[@anakinwildstar8759]

yes, he took a punch well, about 5,000 a fight lol

[@Alderak1]

Carnera was the heavyweight champion of the world once. Ofcourse he’s not a bum lol.

[@jamesdunn9714]

Primo is considered to have been mob controlled and that's how he gained the championship.

[@lastrada52]

You're right Dave W -- they can say what they want about Carera but to this day his professional KO stats (except for Ezzard Charles & his 95 wins), Carnera holds the 2nd-most victories of all heavyweight champions with 89. Carnera's 72 career KO's -- the most of any world heavyweight champion. George Foreman is close at 68 and 76 wins in a career that was far longer than Primo. Ali had only 37 KO's in his career, with 56 wins. And Ali also fought some bums. Primo Carnera was no bum. He wasn't the best heavyweight that ever lived but his determination courage & power is not disputed. He fought anyone they put in front of him and he even defeated one heavyweight who was bigger than him -- Santa Camarão, a 6 ft 9" Portuguese fighter. Carnera won the fight by KO in the sixth round. As far as the mob -- they put money up (purses) for Carnera and like any fighter to this day (management, as such) chose who their fighter would defend against based on how ready their fighter was and if the money was right. (It is a business after all). Ali never gave George Foreman a rematch & Mike Tyson never met George Foreman. Ever wonder why? If Carnera was mob controlled as many believed -- why did he lose to Baer & Louis? Primo lost 6 times prior to the Baer fight but he did KO champion, Jack Sharkey. With Baer, Primo went down about 11 times (but got up every time) -- if Primo was going to throw the fight why go down 11 times? Why put him in with a great fighter like Joe Louis? Primo was one of the most thickly muscled heavyweights in history -- bigger & taller than George Foreman, or Gerry Clooney. He had no glass jaw. He stood up to Joe Louis's punches for quite some time and went toe to toe. By the way, Louis admitted in an interview that Primo's punches were devastating & he had to be extremely careful. If Primo was a bum -- he should've lost many more times. I wouldn't under-estimate the likes of a Primo Carnera. Louis had his problems with "bums," just lookup Two-Ton Tony Galento who floored Louis and had Joe in trouble more than once. Galento was the forerunner of the showmanship that both Ali & George Foreman used. Tony taunted his opponents with funny remarks and he ate pasta, drank beer and smoked cigars before fights. And he was a dangerous fighter in that later Butterbean mold.

[@justthink5854]

@@lastrada52 Carnera was very game. he was just to huge at close to 270 of muscle. he seems to be pushing his punches, working against his muscle.

[@drewcarr1]

Great Stuff!!!!!!!!!!!

[@SilencedButNotForgotten]

Joe was way younger, still what a fight.

[@reinaldomanuel8488]

He was older.

[@garlandchambliss1024]

Joe was 21 years old

[@charlievan4029]

I believe that Joe threw a perfect right cross throughout his career. It had the perfect trajectory, and had the effect when landed on the point of the chin, of moving the jaw bone back AND twisting the neck. Think about it, even Ali's and Holmes rights were more straight rights. Am I wrong?

[@trvth1s]

ill have to see more of his other fights but in this fight he had to lunge in a lot with right cross and left hooks because of Carneras sheer size.

[@Mikep487]

True, but neither Ali nor Holmes were the punchers Joe Louis was. They're poor comparisons. Review the sluggers like Liston, Marciano, Foreman and others.

[@mazzbalboa]

Joe was unique in he had great power but his accuracy and punch economy was second to none....every punch counted....George Foreman once said what made Joe the greatest in his eyes that he'd readjust his feet after every punch meaning he'd get full leverage everytime.....awesome

[@giovannispinelli8050]

great Primo Carnera, il gigante buono

[@user-yl1ig4mo8m]

красивый был бой )) Джо накаутер чистой воды панчер )

[@garymorris1856]

I do not believe that any boxer in history fought more guys who has been heavyweight champion at one time or another, I mean my goodness, he fought: Sharkey, Schmeling, Baer, Braddock, Walcott, Carnera, Charles, Marciano and light-heavy champ Archie Moore

[@jameshash9112]

Carnera's chief claim to fame was being a physical freak--for his time, anyway--and a decent enough boxer, Mob controlled, Fascist linked, and all. (Louis himself had Mob connections as well!) Perhaps, he wasn't really Championship quality at all in Boxing, yet he tried his best with what advantages he did had: size, strength, stamina, and a better than average left jab. But, Primo's life after professional boxing and World War II proved he was a gentleman of good character. Carnera did some "acting" in films--Does anyone remember MIGHTY JOE YOUNG?!--and was a rather popular professional wrestler in the 40's & 50's, while being a good father & raising a family--One of his sons became a top L.A. heart surgeon.

[@leonf999]

First time watching this fight primo is a favourite of mine and Joe is just an outstanding boxer what a match

[@JABARDELLI]

Carnera was ahead in the fight after 5 rounds before Louis’ howitzers brought the fight to a conclusion in the sixth round.

[@jiggyv6139]

Joe trying to show good sportsmanship & the dude just walk away. That in my eyes makes him a true legend of the sport. RIH Joe Louis 🙏🏾♥️

[@George18798]

Primo Carnera was a real giant for this time 6'7 260 pounds and pure muscle. Today most heavyweights looks nothing like that. They look more like walking punching bags (Tyson Fury, Nikolai Valuev, Alexander Ustinov, Dominick Breazele, Mariusz Wach, Ruslan Chagaev and other). His fighting strategy was not different than modern boxers. Many people say champions of the past would have no chance in modern era, but I don't agree. I am sure that Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano, Muhammad Ali, Sonny Liston, Joe Frazier would have done as well as they did at their own time.

[@michaeljackson4538]

Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano are trash, press made

[@mmablahblahblah]

you're just plain stupid.

[@mmablahblahblah]

Marciano out worked everyone he ever faced, please explain how to beat him? 49 others tried but no one ever did.

[@charlieparish1744]

ik his strategy all he does is punch your than ur arm and it would very soar so than that wen he starts using his combinations on u thats the only reason y he joe louis plus getting old at the age of 37

[@scbutler51]

Yeah, I'm sure all of those 185 and 195 pound guys would have done great against the modern guys. Sure.....sure, they would.

[@thertis580]

Louis is top drawer stuff OK. But Carnera was not the useless dummy the media painted him.

[@bfgtech48]

Was never, loud, brash, or boastful. Quiet and respectful. 25 consecutive defenses unmatched till this day. For me the best heavyweight ever.

[@arober2]

every fight was just that: a fight, not a boxing match. No comparison to what goes on in the modern era. Louis is the best!

[@Pat4HUMANITY]

Can’t argue with that.

[@Mikep487]

@@arober2 Nope, they're still boxing matches with great skill involved. They were controlled and calculated aggression, which every fight should involve.

[@vivalasvegas2090]

Should of never fought Marciano

[@aarondigby5054]

To his credit, Joe fought a lot of tomato cans. RIP JL&PC

[@kevinmunday5782]

Good stoppage by Ref, Joe sure could punch.....

[@Pat4HUMANITY]

I’m surprised. Primo looks better than what I expected.

[@donhancock332]

Check out the film The Harder They Fall( 1956 w Humphry Bogart) about a Primo Carnera type boxer).

[@millardwashington6216]

Don Hancock Baltimore station in the mid 60s had a series called Bogart’s best , I was 12, tore my heart out! I watch it ever so often when I can handle it DVD , most people can’t, it rips the soul. A Great film!

[@ascendediam]

some not sane odd person said this to me, I've seen your videos on Deontay, as well as your ones on Wlad and the 70s-90s comparison. I find most of it disagreeable, mainly with how you describe the techniques being shown in their respective clips. I agree that Galento, Baer, Braddock, and Carnera were crude boxers, but they were also seen as crude for their own time. I also agree with Marciano's technique being vastly overrated. I disagree with your views on Louis the most. In fact, I think Louis looks great in most of the footage that you use to try and prove your point. In the 70s-90s video, you use Carnera footage to argue that Louis has stiff and sluggish movement, but Louis is moving beautifully in that footage. He's constantly circling with Carnera, moving in and out, feinting, using head movement, parrying, and slipping his jab, while peppering him at will with his own jabs. You argue that Louis looks unsure of himself, but I'd say he looks extremely confident and that Carnera is the only one looking terrified. Carnera has a decent jab but overall looks crude, but Louis looks like a modern boxer in that fight. It's the same case for the footage you use for the Baer fight. You argue that Louis looks sluggish, lacks upper and lower body movement, and can't effectively punch from range or punch while moving. I disagree; in fact, I think Louis pretty much does this in the examples you use. Louis is effortlessly jabbing and hooking from range and is doing it incredibly smoothly. He's using nuanced lateral movement and punching beautifully while doing it. He's dominating the crude Baer like any great boxer would. In your Deontay video, you use a terrified Schmeling getting bulldozed by a rushing Louis in a minute as an example of how Louis and Schmeling can't fight from range or manage distance. I don't think that's really fair; it's clear from the other fights that Louis knows how to use range, angles, and manage distance. I also don't think Louis looks horrible at all here; in fact, he's constantly feinting and anxious to parry that right hand, since you emphasize looking at their hands. They both do well at defending themselves on the inside at 1:18-1:25. Very tight guards. Schmeling cleverly blocks, then rolls Louis' punches at 0:54. I don't think this is the best exampleofr either of their technical brilliance, but I don't think they look bad either. It's important to note that Schmeling said that he was scaredsh*tlesss before the figh, and basically lost before the fightbegan,n like Spinks against Tyson. You also use a pastprime,e Louis and Conn, who had just fought 4 years in the war, from their 1946 fight as your example for why they're inefficient at range, mostly punch just when they stop, stand in front of their opponents waiting to be hit, and even in thiscase,e I still disagree with you. The past prime, basically shot Billy Conn effectively uses lateral movement and isn't predictable with it, parries and overall defends himselfwell,l and jabs from range well. I still think theydido all of these things much better in their first match, especially Conn. I also don't think a pastprime minister,e Ezzard Charles, who reportedly had symptoms of ALS as early as 1951, is the best example to use to define that era's techniques either. Same with the Moore and Dempsey clips. Dempsey,Charles,s and Moore didn't fight like that normally atall,l and when you watch their fights in fulllength,h that becomes clear. Dempsey displays crisp head movement and good technique in his fights with Brennan, Gibbons, and in his training footage with Bill Tate. He even displays good defenseand,d attimes,s technique in his past prime footage against Sharkey and Tunney. 4- yea- old Moore was cooking Marciano at range in the early rounds of their fight, and effectivelydefendingd himself while countering Rock.,Evennthen,n I find Moore's performances against Bivins and Davidson much more impressive. Charles looks modern in his fight against Lloyd Marshall. They're all much more skilled than Deontay. Can you watch my video of Deon/Foreman Louis Vid and tell me if you see anybody that fought Deon or himself or if anybody I showed Foreman fought or himself was less skilled or using the same obsolete tech as the guys I compared them to?

[@scar2250]

Geez, he knocked him down 3 times.

[@ascendediam]

any average 70s-90s would've destroyed this whole era in 1st round with way less punches

[@ascendediam]

Video on my page foreman louis compared Which era used more angles/fluidity/defense/timing/tech?

[@charlievan4029]

Here's my thoughts watching the fight. Kind of a lose/lose situation for Primo. If he initiates the action, Joe will counter him effectively. If he waits, Joe beats him with his speed and footwork. We know Joe is gonna throw a hard right counter over Primo's lazy left jab. If Primo could only time that, slip that, and counter with his own left hook, he'd have Joe dead to rights. Easier said than done, eh? What say you all?

[@johnmartin2436]

He's got the reach advantage.Use it.Keep Louis off with the jab. I'm sceptical of his conditioning though.

[@scbutler51]

That's not a bad analysis......the problem is Carnera didn't have the feet or the hands to do any of those things.

[@johnmartin2436]

@@scbutler51 It'd be worth a shot to try.But your right;if it was in him to do it he would've.

[@CarlosLima-oe7wn]

Uma luta que dignifica o boxe, com os lutadores eretos e combativos e nos leva a entender o porque Joe Louis foi o maior ao longo de uma carreira !

[@dxhtz]

Carnera..so much like a Klitschko in posture and movement.

[@tintomara6209]

That comment can be read two ways.Either that Carnera was much better than boxing 'historians' have led us to believe,or that Joe Louis would have done the same thing to the Klitschkos...

[@michaeltrumph121]

@Ramses Charlotte The Klitschkos would mop the floor with Louis

[@RedgraveGilver]

@@michaeltrumph121 Louis would absolutely destroy the overrated Klitshchkos

[@michaeltrumph121]

@@RedgraveGilver Louis wouldn't even be a contender in the modern era.

[@michaeltrumph121]

@Curtis Ostriker Louis would be lucky if he was a low ranked contender in the past 2 decades. He's too small and weak to stand a chance.

[@user-bo2sx8tu4x]

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[@amantajir1982]

Joe Lous Legends

[@andrewr62]

Whatever Carnera lacked as a fighter is certainly was not courage. He was totally out gunned by Louis but fought from bell to bell.

[@luisorellanacastillo2685]

Lal única cámara fue instalada en una esquina. Esta filmación está hecha en película blanco y negro de la época y no permite apreciar como hoy los detalles del encuentro. Veo de menor envergadura física a Joe Louis, pero muy superior a su oponente. Alguno de los boxeadores de hoy en día con la corpulencia que tienen, habrían podido con Joe Louis?

[@NickPenlee]

Amazing to see Carnera stick out a left jab but hardly ever threw a righthand immediately after. No-one was ever going to beat Joe on jabs alone; he needed to be hit. Primo was ,sadly, just another opponent who was on the backfoot right from the start. George Foreman would have taken the fight to Joe from the outset, never retreating; constantly moving forward and throwing bombs. That's what Carnera should have done. At least Galento tried to take his head off, even managing to floor the champ.

[@underzog]

It waw horrible how Primo's criminal handlers threwhim to a powerhouse such as Joe Louis. Primo realized he was washed up and didn't even want to fight Louis.

[@frankdisalvio7844]

LOUIS WAS THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL, ONLY LOST WHEN HE AGED. WAS CHAMP FOR 11 YEARS AN 8 MONTHS !!!

[@LardGreystoke]

@studentofsweetscience At the age of 24 he put Schmeling in the hospital for 2 weeks.

[@millardwashington6216]

frank disalvio no dude Max got him , they were friends.

[@FirstLast-vl1uy]

I swear I remember seeing and much better film of this fight years ago and now I cant find it

[@joep8787]

Given his size and muscularity, Carnera should've been a much harder puncher than he was. He just wasn't well coordinated. Always seemed off balance when throwing a punch, whereas Louis was well coordinated.

[@mrslick58]

He still hold the record for most K.Os by a heavyweight. I think he hit hard enough

[@yaseenholton3557]

I have a top 5 favorite boxers in The world.My fitft favorite boxer is joe frazier my fourth favorite is jersey joe wallcot and my Third favorite is Jack Johnson and my second favorite boxer is sugar ray robinson. But my first favorite boxer is joe louis

[@mikecatania4492]

People forget carnera killed a fighter in the ring if I remember correctly! Hell I forget too lol!

[@fredbloggs777]

I had Carnera well ahead with his constant jab until Louis caught him. Louis always looked dangerous even though behind, and Carnera should have taken a longer count when knocked down. Terrible shame such a great fighter as Louis ended up broke and working in a casino. He must have been fleeced along the line.

[@tonygreene81able]

Of what quality was Primo? Just how good was he really?

[@TheBatugan77]

The best.

[@doinamarin628]

Mafie, a fost decând lumea. Carnera CAMPION.

[@drone6337]

looked like primo hurt his left knee on first knockdown

[@johnwingate8799]

Some say he went into the fight with a broken ankle

[@oussamaguerroute4415]

It's great

[@Jim-mn7yq]

I don’t know a lot about this flight. Does anyone know why Carnera stop throwing his right hand? Was it injured?

[@justthink5854]

probably afraid of Louis' counters.

[@kevintrace5396]

Didn't realise how Louis was superb and accurate he was great champ

[@cmoneytheman]

Back then yea compared no

[@kevintrace5396]

OK ​@@cmoneythemantrueb

[@SimplyThatGuy12]

@@cmoneythemanum he still is.

[@ascendediam]

these are the comments from a guy in the comments on the joe vs bowe vid who isn't sane name is oneshot I watched full matches of Joe Louis's fights not highlights. He was very explosive and fast when he wanted to be. You can say that boxers that came after were more advanced with less flaws all you want and diminish his skills all you want, but pretty much every boxing expert and fan agree he was the most technically complete boxer in heavyweight history you compared one of Louis's opponents to one of the best best fighters in the 80's. How does that translate to Louis's own skill? You say fighters from this era don't have good blocking and clearly haven't seen Louis's amazing defense and head movement. How he prevents his opponents from throwing counters when he does, how he prepares to duck one if it does come, how he'd parry his opponents punches with both his lead and rear hand, how he'll constantly change angles to make sure he doesn't stay straight in his opponents line of fire. You say he was flat footed and slow, but you forget that he was trained to not move around a lot and only do so when he needed to. That's exactly what he did. They fight fifteen rounds and he saves his stamina by doing what he does. Your video proved nothing about Louis's ability and only showed a direct comparison between a couple clips of one of his opponents and someone more modern. H The video is a direct comparison between two fighters from two different eras, not analyzing the eras of fighters as a whole, and most certainly not Joe Louis You should look up videos of his head movement and defense if that's what you believe. His defense was one of the best the heavyweight division has seen to this day. The average fighter in the 70-s and 80's aren't beating the greats of the 30's and 40's. Technique didn't improve anywhere near as much as you think It only compared Primo to Wlad and didn't showcase really any other fighters. You can't take just two people and generalize the whole eras with just those two, especially if one is one of the best and the other is one of the worst The average fighter in the 80's-90's may be better than one from the 30's-40's. They just aren't better than the greats of that era His defense wasn't horrendous but it definitely wasn't good. Joe Louis didn't waste punches, had real defense, much better punch technique, pivoted to control space, was faster and more accurate, didn't throw wide hooks and uppercuts but controlled and accurate punches that could knock you out or rattle you from 6 inches away or at arms length. He was far better at all of that then either version of Georg Old George was better than young George and yet he was still inferior to Louis in every category except for punching power and chin. If he was far slower and more flat footed than Louis, had worse technique,

[@BazookaTooth707]

Should've stopped the fight. Primo had no chance

[@marcolanchini3177]

Rochi marciano e stato il piu grande pugile non a mai perso un combattente nato

[@aryanrudra24]

It seems that the footage of the fight has been speeded up to some degree. Is it true?

[@viperzerofsx]

Aryan Rudra thats a common issue with old footage because back in the day it needed to be cranked by hand.

[@BazookaTooth707]

Frame rate is really bad too

[@polymath7]

+viperzerofsx Not so in this case. Hand cranked cameras were obsolete by the 1930's. The reason this looks "sped up" is because people aren't expecting "old time" boxers like Louis and Carnera to be this much faster than the pathetic crop of current heavyweights.

[@2009blahblah]

Joe Louis is fun to watch

[@truthhitman7473]

Are there no clear copies of this fight ?

[@donrondel8240]

Remember Carnera was as much if not more wrestler as he was a boxer .... which attests to his ability to become a world champ boxer against other pro boxers who cdnt wrestle their way out of a paper bag peace

[@JeSsE10mCcOy11]

David vs. Goliath

[@submissivelover]

Based on size alone i feel Primo had potential to dominate boxing in those days...There isn't much wrong you can do being 6'6" with an 85" reach, and a chin to boot lasting 6 rounds with Joe Louis. He's just clearly a bumbling oaf with little skill and training. and despite all that, he managed an 89-14 career with 72 KO's, maybe had he been with legitimate trainers it would have turned differently.

[@gordon9239]

submissivelover My uncle Sam sparred with him. He was 6'7.

[@submissivelover]

Your uncle Same was 6'7"? or Primo was 6'7"

[@SurendranNambiath]

Agree. I'd like to add that what he primarily lacked was the killer instinct - running three-fourths of the way across the ring at the start of each round is all fine, but he just could not hold his hands up in the 6th Round! He neither uses his enormous reach to advantage, nor does he throw combos - just a li'l jab here and there, waiting for the chance to hit with his right hand! But then, Boxing has changed a lot now. Joe Louis fought a lot more like heavyweights of today!

[@submissivelover]

Yes, i'm surprised it took trainers so long to properly train massive men to box. A lot of fantastic physical specimens were not taught how to use their reach well. Both the Baer Brothers, Primo, massive reach advantages and yet decided to pressure and walk down opponents instead of leaning back and landing massive punches from a safe distance. Imagine what a Max Baer might have been if he bothered using his 81" reach? or his brother bothered applying long jabs and straight rights with his 84" reach.

[@honestperson6280]

submissivelover I don't think it's about size, it's more about skill and who wants it more! After all, look at the Jess Willard/Jack Demsey fight and let's not forget, Mike Tyson is barely 5'10 yet he had beaten guys way taller and longer reaches than him!

[@jonericvan]

The legendary boxer’s daughter, Giovanna Maria Carnera, is now honoring her father’s life and legacy on the 50th anniversary of his death. luminosityitalia.com/pages/Italian-Primo-Carnera-english-news.html

[@RudyB-ti8ye]

Louis was everything Ali was not. He could drop you with either hand and was always a gentleman.

[@TheBatugan77]

And perhaps the reason Ali refused to be drafted was the way the USA treated SSG Louis after the war.

[@RudyB-ti8ye]

@@TheBatugan77 He refused to be drafted after he was converted away from Christianity and decided to worship with those who wish death to non-believers of their doctrine. Fact!

[@earlporter422]

Joe Louis was an uncle tom. Same as sammy Davis jr

[@rudybarnsley8741]

@@earlporter422 You sir are a blatant racist. According to you any black that seeks to assimilate and join society is an Uncle Tom.

[@daisysheena]

EARL PORTER. Joe Lewis was a legend same as Sammy Davis Jr.... both were adulated and appreciated by millions in this country and the world. You sir are a moron

[@bg365]

And that's what Klitschko or Lewis would have looked like against Louis. The greatest heavyweight champion.

[@stefano9731]

Vitali can fight and has a rock solid chin

[@ascendediam]

How is it thats what a lennox or klit match would be if both were way more advanced in tech angles and wasnt stiff or slow like this man like you trolls need to watch Matches

[@wokrainer]

Couldn’t have a worse take on boxing 😂

[@cmoneytheman]

@@wokrainer who u talking to

[@B.Wayne88]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Bert Sugar said Primo could also beat the Klitschko's.

[@stuartperry1047]

Would love to see a clearer image of this film. It was taken the same year as Louis' fight with Baer- but the quality is nowhere near as good. It looks like a fight from Jim Jeffries' era.

[@TheBatugan77]

Stupid stu... GivesAShit? Fuck are you? Cecil B De Fuckin Mille?

[@baron8103]

CREO Q' PRIMO CARNERA..NO ERA MUY BUENO PARA ABSORVER GOLPES..TAMPOCO APROVECHABA LA ALTURA...PARA ESQUIVARLOS...

[@user-ud1nr7ek6g]

ATTENZIONE ,AMANTE DEL DUCE,E MISICISTA,MI PIACEREBBE TROVARE DEI MUSICISTI PER SUONARE LE CANZONI DEL NOSTRO DUCE,C'È QUALCUNO DI VOI CHE È DISPONIBILE??? SONO DI BRESCIA.

[@Scotttyist]

I'm surprised that Primo never used his weight and strength to wrestle Joe more and try to tire him out. He seems to me to give Joe too much room to move. Instead of standing off and boxing him why didn't Primo crowd and wear down Joe? He had such an advantage in height, weight, and strength that it seems a shame he didn't utilize these assets. Hmmm.

[@millardwashington6216]

Scott Boydle Joe has better stamina was as strong, better skills, he drove him around the ring

[@Scotttyist]

@@millardwashington6216 Joe was the better fighter but my point is that Primo should have wrestled him more because he had the advantage of height and weight. He probably would still have lost but his big mistake was trying to fight Joe on his terms. Why play the other guy at his game? Joe had never fought a guy so much bigger than him so why not use that to your advantage?

[@millardwashington6216]

Scott Boydle agreed, but he never let the fist fly and I don’t think he liked to get hit ( with the Queenberry rules , understandable)but you have to let the fist fly, or dance Willy Pepp, Joe Walcott, even then let the fist fly , he was doing it because he was a big guy not because he wanted to box . Money !!!

[@frankfrankfurtde9130]

1935 a 2022 il y’a 88 ans

[@robertg305]

What a pounding. Still think Primo Carnera was a great heavyweight champion. Just outmatched here. It's sad some people dub Carnera the worst heavyweight champion just because what they see mainly in the Louis and Baer fights. He still had a fantastic career

[@tintomara6209]

Be honest though.He's nowhere near as bad as some of those who came later

[@ascendediam]

​@@tintomara6209looks like a novice

[@tommyvette969]

AND DONT CALL ME BOY.

[@TheBatugan77]

You got it. You go girl! 👍

[@vivalasvegas2090]

Primo was slow ,clumsy,no chin

[@ascendediam]

For some odd reason lunatics have Said for years wlad fought like him,where that came from no idea,they also said joe would beat him,yet video on my page shows wlad was way more advanced and fluid than this whole novice era,he never would've been beat or struggled with this era

[@Jay-nb1ss]

This must been before they had the Standing Eight Count? Ole boy could had benefited from it! Lol Joe Louis was a bad man! Lol

[@walllidissslam2753]

So this is the thing in "I know why the caged bird sings" chapter 19.