Star Citizen 4.0 First Impressions + THE REAL PROBLEM WITH PYRO

[@Erad_Prime]

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[@andrewfanner2245]

Pyro is supposed to be gang law. That's not lawless, there may not be justice or mercy but there's law, probably involving a lot of surmmary executions. But they didn't bring that bit in, so what they made is a zero consequence system.

[@gaudin4501]

Absolutely right, also the law system in Stanton is not at the place they want it, so in both systems the consequences for your actions are little to none.

[@ericsortzi5669]

This is a point I make constantly with regard to this renewed PvP argument. "Lawless" does not mean consequence-free like Erad and many others have said. CIG has said repeatedly, and even laid it out pretty clearly recently... your actions WILL have consequences, even in Pyro. Maybe you don't get a UEE crimestat if you kill another player, but if you attack other players around ports, the owners of the ports will take umbrage unless that player is an enemy of that faction. Same goes for settlements. It doesn't matter if the group that owns a location is a gang or some lawful group. You act out of line, and that group isn't going to like you. You start to lose your priviledges with that group, and eventually they go hostile. And they don't forget if you leave and come back 5 minutes later. Will Pyro be more dangerous than Stanton with all these systems in place? Of course. But would it ever be the murderhobo paradise that some people think it should be... like it is currently? No.

[@andrewfanner2245]

@ericsortzi5669 but they do have to do that and launching Pyro without it, or even a clear "and 4.1 will bring in the reputation system in Pyro" or some variation has made them part of the problem, not part of the solution. It's currently hard to make judgement on if CIG have dropped the ball, thrown it away or never picked it up on this one. A viable andvrobust reputation system is probably more important than various Paladins and Guardians but, sales probably makes the calls...part of the problem...

[@4tonmike]

​@@andrewfanner2245 Alpha version as a business.

[@andrewfanner2245]

@4tonmike the alpha excuse wore thin a longtime ago. There's too much basic stuff simply not done, or done so badly it's =not done.

[@nrjclar]

4.0 First impression: hmm … not very good Asia servers: QT completely bugged, no matter where you want to go, you get dropped off in the middle of nowhere. Tried to take the hauling mission from orbiting station to main station (without QT) but could not deliver the goods and close contract. So basically unplayable. US servers: while QT is (or was) working, elevator doors are a bit of hit and miss, spamming the “F” key sometimes help. Mercenary / Bounty contracts does not spawn target NPC’s most of the time. Hope we can get a (another) hotfix before CIG's Christmas break to resolve some of the problems

[@Elidrys]

Heard tons of stories of people getting stuck in trains, elevators not working, instancing errors with hangers, bounties with enemies that never spawn, turrets shooting at you when they shouldn't, getting impounds and fines for no reason, random death, missions not completing so no payout (pretty game breaking when you are starting fresh with no money)....all the usual nonsense that ruins the game experience. Stability is nothing if things don't work and working game loops are nothing without stability.

[@MettFox]

Yep...Sounds about right. Tried to play it for like 6 hours. Unplayeable sadly...

[@Kycier]

Goodamn unplayable for me damn QT BUG

[@TypicalDutchSaysHi]

On hotfixed servers QT is fixed

[@MettFox]

@@TypicalDutchSaysHi Hotfix servers are gone

[@Sheppardsg1]

@@TypicalDutchSaysHi hotfix servers are no more it was working fine for me in preview

[@danashe3838]

QT bug has plagued me as well! Even after trying a few different servers, no change for me. Completely game breaking.

[@Kycier]

@@danashe3838 I feel you bro I've had flashbacks when at bug was a thing for weeks.

[@redrumcoke2363]

It's sounding like yet again, there's very little content, basically being mostly beautiful locations. Again. I really want to see tangible progress towards making this an actual functional MMO with features, game-loops, economy, and progression. It always seems just out of reach, always just a patch or two away...

[@atonyharding]

Good luck on MMO content right now they seem more content on making a PVP title ala Rust not and MMO.

[@reaverfeaver3018]

Bounty hunting not working in stanton, and like he said on pyro the mission sometimes dont complete when u kill the target. Also u fall thro the ground alot. Bunker mission taggs on friends are sometimes on eneimes. And u accedently kill a guard and get crime stat 3, then u go to jail and the elevator in cletcher doesnt work so u are stuck in prision for ever. And also sometimes the quantom just takes you for a spin to the sun insted to wherever u tried to go. And sometimes when u wake up in ur hab and u try to take the elevator to the loby, it just takes u back to the hab. Endless loop. Those are some of the problems iv encountered.😢😢

[@gabzsy4924]

For such a huge system they better have a bunch of extra gameplay loops to fill it or else it'll just be boring and empty.

[@bluuferret]

glad you’re experience was better. It’s been a painful bug-fest for me.

[@jimrussell4062]

Yeah.... I could barely even log on after 5 tries I gave up. Elevators don't work. Ships don't summon. Terminals were broke. All the players running around in circles unable to leave the stations. Will wait for a fix.

[@Janaerys]

I think this is a fair assessment. As a primarily pve player, I am still happy about the addition of Pyro since it is providing rewarding PVP activities like the contested zones for those who are so inclined. Giving people a places to shoot others with impunity should reduce unnecessary griefing like padramming in lawful areas. My primary concern with 1.0 though is that no new PVE gameplay loops have been confirmed for it. No mention of passenger missions, data running, bounty hunting v2 etc. All I heard was crafting and base building which is also primarily a pvp my sandcastle vs yours gameplay. I hope CIG can provide a wider variety of pve activities also for 1.0

[@Storm-Cleaver]

Looking forward to seeing Pyro, but I'm starting at Orison as I usually do and working my way up to build my Rep and kit out my ships before heading over there. Had to sit down and make a Google Doc with lots of nested tables for all my ships to decide which ships to upgrade, with which parts, and where to buy them. Really seeing the value of my ships that come with stock military components now.

[@snaggletoof1927]

Now with Pyro being tested, I wonder how quick a pace CIG will have in getting the other systems online.

[@debonair6764]

I play asia servers, last played in June. Installed few hrs after 4.0 release but it's Sunday night and I still have not login yet.

[@unfalr]

You must be playing in a privet server to not have felt the pure bug fest that is this patch like no missions, QT broken and so on and so on. The only thing that works is the chat in game.

[@5142Nightwalker5142]

Thank you for your honest, straight to the point vids ! Happy holidays !

[@theintergalacticlanparty3738]

4.0 had been a combo is rough and yet also impressing at the same time for me.

[@vernb15]

We went to pyro bloom a couple times. Wormhole was cool. Bloom looked nice. Got some loot. Players attacked us the 2nd time. Taking a break to make more money in Stanton

[@satanspy]

im getting 19k error and can no longer log in

[@jqstar1786]

I’m still trying to finish Phase 4 on the live PTU. Hopefully by the time I’ve done that 4.0 will be a little less broken, fingers crossed.

[@MrStubbs8157]

Its crazy. I didnt play much, but for me it was a problem with quantum fuel and some mechanics, but not with getting stuck. I played on a server with 560 players and most things worked smoothly, NPCs moved around properly, etc. It is more stable for me so far.

[@Cousin_C4rl]

Appreciate the informative content. Great stuff, man. Can't wait to get back from my work trip and try 4.0! That'll be an excellent Christmas present.

[@lut1ne466]

I had one concern last night, my weapons were bugged at first my weapons kept on switching to a me down then couldn’t use a weapon. Ok I thought I will bed log and switch server but bed logging not working either! I agree with those who say lawless does not equal no rules, I expected the gangs to enforce their laws and PvP piracy to be sanctioned through a rep system.

[@braisfigueira5032]

Ok, but the important question. Who lit the eternal flame in the outpost?

[@rnow2682]

They also said 100 systems and 90 % npc, that all has changed. So with so many fewer systems cig will need to rethink how this game will work pvp vs pve long term

[@NoOneFPV]

I personally have no problem with PvP.. As long as it exists in a way that still protects those who don't wish to engage in PvP. Meaning, not Eve-Like. Eve's "War" mechanic doesn't give the target of the "declaration" any chance or opportunity to DECLINE the declaration and there are NO restrictions once that's put into place. Protected space may as well be null-sec. There's no way to play in protected space with such a mechanic. As long as SC doesn't implement this style of "war" declaration and keeps it so that there is no way for the likes of "Goon Swarm" to exist in "protected" space and just declare war on anyone and everyone they cross paths with in order to have a gank-fest... Then things will be fine. If SC brings in such a "war" mechanic that doesn't give the targets of aggression any way to decline or deny the "declaration" and just makes high security space meaningless? Then I just won't be playing Star Citizen and will sell my account with the ships I have. I'm fine with Pyro being lawless. PvP has its place. But only if it's CHOSEN. I will not be FORCED into PvP activities simply because a bunch of GOONS declare open season on everyone in sight. Nope. Not going to tolerate that in SC any more than I did in Eve. Eve lost my business as a direct result of that mechanic.... I had fun until I couldn't even leave a station in high sec space. I logged off with about 1.5 billion isk in my bank, about 2 billion isk worth of blueprints and ships and a TON of other things and deleted my account credentials. I couldn't log back into it now if I wanted to (and I don't). That was about 5 years ago now I guess. I like PvP - when I decide I want to partake, but I generally play PvE. PvP should be a choice, or at least accepting the risk of PvP should be a choice. Forced PvP via an Eve-like "war" mechanic is not acceptable. At all. Ever.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

Thank you! This was just a real common sense approach to the design of why Pyro is the way it is. Glad someone isn't just fuelling the rage-bait like some other channels. Plus, Pyro will also have a TON of PvE content, it's just that a lot of it had to be delayed so that they could get server meshing stable and out the door. So that's cool. I'm really looking forward to those Pyro repair missions coming with resource management. So there's still going to be plenty to do while waiting for more secure systems like Castra and Terra.

[@crazycanuck2998]

No Mission Contracts currently. Started off well until that latest patch.

[@stormw777]

Lol forget Pyro. I can't even get out of my hanger

[@Towmader447]

Waiting for the Nix system. I am hoping it will be awesome.

[@nonleft96]

I haven't had a chance to play 4.0 yet. I'm hoping to play over Christmas!

[@JRM-VSR]

My issue with Pyro is they made it the centre of the universe. If you want to go from Terra to Castra, you *should* be going via Hadrian. But because Hadrian doesn't exist, you'll need to go there via Pyro instead...

[@Canadain69Bacon]

Had cargo missions not complete for me have some ships that wont store can't refuel rearm or repair my fav so far is the hanger door look open but are not and you get stuck in the door then sent back to the main area with 5000k fine

[@ericsortzi5669]

"Lawless" does not mean "anything goes." I wish people would stop saying that, as this is not how it's intended to be, was never how it was intended to be, and 100% will not be when the reputation and "law and order" systems make it into the game. "Lawless" as it has been stated by CIG in this case means no UEE. There is no singular, unified authority in the system. That's it. It does not mean that there is NO authority at all, or that whatever authority exists is not "lawful." For Pyro it means that there are different factions throughout the system. Some are lawful and align with the UEE or otherwise other lawful entities. Some are gangs which align only with themselves and against each other. Even these unlawful groups have rules and will enforce them around their stations and colonies, etc. There will be consequences for acting poorly around any faction. Kill a neutral player on one of the gang stations, and you might lose the ability to trade with that gang. If the player you kill was friendly with the gang, you might make an enemy of them. If you go around being a murderhobo, you're going to find that noone will trade with you, that you can't land anywhere, and that factions will shoot you on sight or even hunt you down. This idea that lawless means no consequences is NOT the intended gameplay and never has been. All it means is there's no UEE there to wag their finger at you when you misbehave.

[@andrewfanner2245]

@ericsortzi5669 there may be a lot of abandoned F7s with empty fuel tanks to scrape at that stage. CIG failing to emphasise that side of things, or release it, will bite them hard sooner or later. I want to do the faction stuff, maybe rescue org mates from a gang HQ, where the gang's player allies have a combat beacon for help , not simply be content for someone who'd be happier with a g/f and is compensating 😀 Imagine SPK but some defenders are players, some AI and you've org mates in there to rescue. Would be beyond awesome. Fulfil your raid Jabba's palace dreams. Ofc the murder hoboes in there might be left to rot!

[@jimrussell4062]

I mean... that's how real life works. Even in "lawless" areas there is "order" if not "law" per se. Warlords and gang leaders always step in to take their cut and run a dictatorship. I can't say that's "lawful" as it's often arbitrary and capricious but it's "order" in the sense that there are "rules" (even if they are "don't mess with our gang or we kill you" or "pay our toll to pass through here." I'd say Stanton has more "law" even though it's not UEE, there is more progress there because they still follow UEE "laws." There's just not UEEN forces stationed there to enforce it, but the corporations still operate as part of the UEE. Pyro groups don't follow UEE law at all, so it is "lawless" in that sense. It's just more "structured." Now you COULD have a system with NO law that didn't even have multi-station factions. I don't see that on the roadmap, but it's possible. I agree that the people being murderhobos SHOULD be banned from everywhere by the factions they piss off. That is supposed to be the "balance" to prevent that, but not being in game it makes murderhobo a popular thing to be. I'd say that's a failure entirely on CIG's shoulders since reputation is a LOT easier to do than server meshing and building a whole system. They already had it in game, just didn't think to extend it to Pyro or implement it. Then again, it's not fully implemented in large part because there was "nowhere for the lawless criminals to go" in Stanton (besides Grim Hex) and that's also why prison has a "get out of jail free" card built in. I think if you have ACTUAL reputation and consequences in game (not sent to Kleischer but banished to Pyro and shot on sight if you go to Stanton) then it'll make the situation much better. And if you want to clear your crime stat, you do missions in Pyro for the Alliance for Prosperity (which is based in Stanton) to show you want to be a "good citizen." Everything good locked behind reputation, not PvP arenas.

[@Ogata123]

Stanton has been the rough place with Qt issues

[@kyosun4136]

My only regret it's not having a better PC. All my org in the "Contested Zones" and I'm still trying to make the game work.

[@4tonmike]

That was a huge negative factor for me for 5 years. I mean the first 5 years, okay they need more time but year 7 you check back in and ask, hey are they going in the right direction or what? I know it's labeled an alpha, development time doesn't matter, etc, but surely a budget 2021 PC can run a demo from 2013? But what do I know? I'm just a random dude looking at the games I've bought over the past 10 years with the humble amount of money I make, and thinking, "Hmm, Helldivers 2, or a 10 year old, broken alpha tech demo that I need a dev-grade rig to consider running?" "Tarkov Citizen pre-alpha or Genshin Impact?" I will say after getting past the CPU and RAM upgrade that it's running very well in live preview 4.0 but the 12 monthly equal payments to afford it and the state of the alpha are going to be constant reminders for anyone who's in a similar position.

[@Anachroschism]

I don't expect performance and stability to be perfect, for quite some time into 2025. Hopefully its not long until we get to play some safer systems, with proper security forces that can actually work.

[@pablofiasco2]

Contracts have broken entirely now, even region hopping you just get shard after shard of "Hey is contracts on mobi empty for everyone else?"

[@Sarsour_]

Awesome update, can't wait for a more stable live build.

[@gamingduology4757]

I am also enjoying 4.0 . I like the update just need to grind some money

[@Bernwon]

It worked great ONE time for me. Every other run has been really rough. Can't pull ships, get my hangar... see global chat.

[@Lisa-Azra_Broad]

my concerns, player base more PvE players than PvP, yet Pyro is over double the size than Stanton and planned to be the biggest system, then factor in base building and available real estate.

[@James-sg]

The flying to the sun is annoying lol, but contested zones are not too bad

[@mr.sophistication3232]

Completely broken. Can't call my ships, can't exit or even enter my hangar. Basically I'm stuck on Obituary station and the only game loop is the contested zone (but only a small part of it as I don't have a red keycard).

[@imitheus]

Erad, are the trade prices of goods worrh the risk to go to Pyro (you did a video about that. Did they change the prices?)

[@Erad_Prime]

No they did not. I'm making a spreadsheet with all the prices from all the locations. I'm halfway done. Video will come next week maybe

[@danashe3838]

Definitely been a smooth experience, especially when im being QT'd into the sun!

[@KyleNolan-s6l]

what's the name of this outpost he is at looks like a good place to buy?

[@Erad_Prime]

Golden Riviera, at your service :)

[@eastlondonrider3745]

Great vid!

[@Cornerboy73]

Sounds like a dog's breakfast. I'm away on holidays and won't get to try until January but it seems like I am not missing much. I've no real interest in pyro anyway; my experience there was basically just getting attacked everywhere I went by losers solo ramming people in their Polaris ships. So fun . Looks pretty though.

[@TKCPrime]

I literally can't download the 4.0 preview or the hotfix. It throws out random errors constantly.

[@cicio7777]

Does anyone know if CIG fixed the New Babbage hangar issue in 4.0?

[@4tonmike]

Which one? 😅

[@-OldMan-Fox-]

Keep them coming Erad!!

[@_Nuchi_]

Great Video's - Would love to give a starter pack to one of my friends who was waiting for 4.0

[@MCKD007]

Good video thank you for your time. Hope to see you in pyro

[@iranouspolaris2035]

Great job Erad very good info🎉

[@Max_Flashheart]

Pyro has been running smoothly except the occasional bug (often known)

[@billosbilly7908]

But they also said repedeatly for 2 years that pryo is ready and finished, they just needed server meshing😂 what a joke, pyro is not even 25% finished

[@benjaminpohl3104]

Shining example of commenting on stuff you haven't really read up on. And this already with a second clip.😂

[@ultrasquall22]

Just another day in Star Citizen!

[@tomcatvrkalisz820]

Hello 👋 we must wait for better times

[@RobMcGinley81]

Cargo empires is for people who like PVE, so not everything recent is just for PVP

[@jimrussell4062]

The patch that didn't really work and much of it failed, making it HARDER to trade?

[@mcvellrobinson9186]

So far, everything I have done in the 4.0 Preview has ended in a game braking bug. It has thus far been a total waste of time!

[@Mr.Universe]

lots of bug in certain servers some incredibly game breaking.

[@atonyharding]

I am completely convinced that streamers are shunted onto their own more balanced servers. So many of them make the comment everything seems stable and good and completely contradicting to the actual gameplay a vast majority of the rest of the community is experiencing. It's all good and everything, CIG cannot have streamers streaming out the actual experience but maybe streamers should try an alt account through a VPN and see why everyone else is upset.

[@fred3413]

great video thank you

[@timecraft.online]

is game worth getting now ? Im on a rtx 4070 and a r7 5800x

[@satanspy]

still not ready

[@LuluGamingDK]

Yeah, I think people misunderstand the point of pyro.It's a fill the void for p v p .. It's the one place in the game where being a bandit... A bad guy... A complete piece of s*** and waste of space is completely acceptable. So going there, you go there at your own risk. I'm a complete casual PVE player. Even I understand that much. And I accept the fact that if somebody wants to kill me, I asked for it because they're not going to be punished because it's the whole point of living there.If you go there without a group as a solo, you're probably going to die if somebody finds you because not everybody's going to have good intentions.

[@jimrussell4062]

That's valid if Stanton is "mostly" murderhobo free. Which doesn't really happen until reputation gets fully implemented.

[@vicsid9606]

It's not the worst experience I've ever had playing SC, far better than 3.18. NPC flight and FPS is much tougher than 3.23.

[@JesseHiraya]

Erad! I saw you in global chat and I sang your theme song to you. But you didn't respond. Watching this footage, maybe you had F12'ed the chat at that point lol

[@Erad_Prime]

LOL Sorry about this Jesse. I ver often turn F12 off because im recording footage. sorry about that.

[@adrianbarreto4225]

Its currently unplayable. The glitches are game breaking. Can spend hours doing something only for it to crash out or disappear, or for your ships quantum to never work again. The missions don't work, literally nothing works.

[@EvilTactics87]

People fail to realize it is a PVPVE MMO game , I really wish people would stop complaining about pyro. With the way they can build systems now we should keyword should have more content in a more timely manner.

[@broggii]

4.0 is so smooth for me

[@MerlinCH65]

Also - Pyro is not at all ready - the whole factions - system the PROMISED will be in place to prevent the murderhobo thing from happening after the desaster with the first preview in 2023 ofc is not here. That's the problem - promises over promises broken. Normal PVP is very welcome - but camping hangars etc. is just braindead and CIG gives a s*it about it. They could have made some temporary armistice zones until factions are working but hey - why bother right?

[@kristianhawk]

Logged in. Went to buy components. Game took 300k for 3 power drives, but didn't deliver the drives. Tried to do the initial hauling mission twice, both failed because of bugs... instant slog fest. Couldn't wait for a reset for years, finally get the big one and I'm effed from the start. Really glad progress is going to carry... I feel like they're never going to get their shit together. The lack of a flight model this far along, in fact, it seems they no longer have any desire to give anything remotely to a real flight model because that wouldn't provide easy mode for console players. We gave CIG money for years to develop what they said.... we ordered the best pizza ever, and they decided to make chicken nuggets instead. That's just, just fuck all the people who got you here and cater to future money from a mass appeal generic mmo.

[@johnnypatterson77]

It ran so badly for me I gave up, too many bugs and the FPS was horrible I give up for now will come back later if it ever gets fixed.

[@TT-jl1qs]

Only pyro seems to work. Stanton is a mess right now.

[@Mortendkkk]

when dit thay change all ships to only have 6 Month Insurance.

[@jimrussell4062]

Last year or so? It's been awhile.

[@AidenPryde3025]

You're just wrong dude. Pyro was not supposed to be like this. For a decade, the plan has been for 90% of the ships around a system to be NPC driven, which would dilute the amount of PvP encounters to acceptable levels. That's what we have been promised. We don't have anything like that. NPCs aren't even capable of doing their own tasks yet, so not even 1% of the ships in a system are NPCs. Along with the missing insurance system, bounty system, engineering, etc, etc, etc you have a situation where the PvPer has none of the risks, and all of the rewards. It was never supposed to be like this. Full stop.

[@haze.x3342]

Yeah the missions not working sucks.

[@cyborgmetropolis7652]

It’s progress. Can’t argue with that.

[@Tamburello_1994]

Sad comment after all the time and money...

[@cyborgmetropolis7652]

@ gotta stay positive. Which is why I haven’t played in 3 years.

[@planet6842]

Qt bug

[@Jeddingfry]

There are soooo many problems with Pyro. Let me start by saying I lived in 0.0 space in Eve for years. Love the concept of lawless lands. I have zero interest in Pyro. What CIG has released is a sad shallow version of how it should be.

[@terencerandolph7721]

PVP with a purpose is cool, IMO. Piracy, orgs controlling areas, even robbers and ship thieves operating in the system makes sense. But allowing random griefing just to be an asshole( like camping at outposts and just killing every ship )with zero repercussions is just plain bad game design and it wont be fixed until a fully implemented rep system is in place. Even in the wild west, the outlaws had a code. Pyro is lawless as in no UEE law, but It should.NOT be consequence free. Narratively, the local gangs would be all over unafilliated murderes on their turf.

[@jimrussell4062]

Yeah try being a "random criminal" in a gang territory. You don't usually last long. That's why truly "lawless" is only on the fringes of areas where the law and the gangs aren't, meaning a very sad, lonely, short existence for the griefers. (at least if it's anything like real life)

[@mikegmd1010]

Bunkers are also broken.

[@MrSmith123123]

Yup

[@marcjensen9080]

I've kept out of the PvE PvP debates plaguing the community at the moment. They're are just so pointless and stupid! 🤣

[@micky5728]

16 hrs ago, the game ran great except for finding verify ground missions on hurston to grind rep. Now it's a sh÷t show since that update

[@glalih]

Lol those clouds at the start.... I've seen a better terrain done with voxel tech in Delta Force 20 years ago.

[@ericsortzi5669]

Homie is running at medium settings for volumetric clouds. They look a lot better at higher settings.

[@Chinaman2077]

Yeah no u havent u less we talking about 2 different delta forces. These are fully simulated cloud formations that are miles wide that you can travel through

[@MerlinCH65]

What game are you playing bro? Over here no missions, QT bugged to hell and server errors every 10 minutes lol

[@jimrussell4062]

Are you in Pyro or Stanton? What servers?

[@JWalker-FireFrost]

Problem is roberts is over seeing it , they need to fire him and have microsoft take over like freelancer .

[@JWalker-FireFrost]

Lol no issues on the Asian servers , got it

[@rybuds47]

They haven't held true to any of the lore for pyro you need a different argument

[@MrRadio2k5]

Lol. 😂😂😂😂 what experience? Shit is broken af. Game is fubar.

[@LunaNL]

its a great mess at the moment the 4.0

[@fredflinstone6135]

4.0 Is completely unplayable for me, lol

[@RED--01]

Idk how so many people are getting super game breaking bugs man.. I got none..none at all..and im using a vpn to play which should be worst. Servers are lightning fast..AI response fast AF. In 3 hours of gameplay i got 1 server error that was gone in 20 seconds.

[@sbdyson]

I am ready for engineering and base building. Once BB is in, my org is likely to come in big time.

[@skyn3tgaming]

Lot of bugs with QT and missions. But I'm really happy it is released. Its a big risk going Pyro because its outlaw and should be. Just some bugfixing to do

[@luisc.3765]

Really are someone having problems with 4.0? Maybe i'm lucky. Zero problems as far as i played.

[@RED--01]

Me too man ..

[@jeremiahbond2810]

Lol, you either dont play enough or you are a liar. No, you probably will have little issue in Pyro as this entire parch is dedicated around new systems that originate in the pyro system but there are a plethora of issues in Stanton.

[@Durion7]

Lol... problems with no end. Missions were bugged for me, then I didn't get missions at all any more. Bugged mission caused me to end on prison. Prison Elevators don't work so people are stuck, breaking out also does not work, the code gets not accepted. After hopping servers for 2 hours I found one where the elevator worked but instantly ended on a server where quantum travel is bugged, can't play anywhere... and 100 other issues and bugs. 4.0 is a horrible mess. Not playable

[@SultanDesync]

There is no way you don't encounter problems unless you never get past the character creator 😅

[@northernfabricationllc2281]

I have always noticed SC is random on what bugs or issues certain people experience. Consider that others are lucky and the rest, not so much lol.

[@FrozenKnight21]

The real problem with pyro, is that people are difficult to satisfy.

[@hoolahoola-87]

Scammer game...