Star Citizen GUIDE - The Best Control Method?

[@SpooN04]

I found this randomly but wow this is a great explanation. I wish more people made their videos as detailed but straight forward as you do. I hope to see more from you.

[@mattsmechanicalssi5833]

Same here!

[@I86282]

Yes finally someone explained it how I wanted to. You said it exactly right!. Most people can't even recognize that they need 6 axiz of control. Let loan the reality that you need 8 axiz of control minimum. For full actuation. And analog at that. But I have one suggestion for you. Instead of using one of the hats for throttle control. You could use a foot pedal or pedals. Which if you've ever driven a car before. Maybe more intuitive. And intuitiveness is the name of the game for Human To Machine Translation Control Coefficient. Or (HTMTCC) Tm. You will be in Phase with your control mechanism. Which is described as being one with the controller. Which most easily and therefore most oftenlee occur with an intuitive control set up.

[@sdrkrm]

+1000!!!

[@dieselpub2]

The pedal control for throttle control is a pure genius idea.

[@BizarreSmalls]

you could use foot pedals for other things as well. in airplanes, they are for yaw. in the heavy equipment world, however, pedals can be a little different. instead of like a car or airplane pedal, where say, 0% is not pushing it and 100% is floored, some machines you can also push the pedal to - 100% Skidsteers with foot (pedal) controls have the 2 joysticks in each hand on 1 axis, forward and backwards (forward/backward for each side independently) and the foot controls are left pedal is boom up/down (toe/heel) and right pedal is bucket tilt curl and uncurl (heel/toe). curling could be said to be up (like scooping) and uncurl could be down (like dumping). So you can have 2 axes on pedals that way, rather than one. In excavators you have 2 pedals like that and 2 joysticks. So for the last one form of control, it would probably be best to have foot controls of the +/- variety, with a joystick and mouse. Although it will probably work best for multicrew ships. Then the gunner doesn't have to keep track of quite so much. Flying and not ramming rock/debris/other ships can be on the pilot, shooting the other ships can be on the gunner.

[@thorkhas]

Jan 2nd, 2020 and I feel this (awesome) video is still accurate and well thought out !

[@Madscrills]

As someone who has owned Star Citizen for a long time but hasn't had the time, ability, or desire to dive in until just recently I thank you. I signed in last night and attempted a delivery mission only to get blasted out of space twice before reaching the pick up location. I came to the determination that I need to at least know how to use my supped up super hornet to defend myself. So I dove into arena commander for a while last night and realized my keyboard and mouse is lacking. Luckily I already own two of those Thrustmasters you have there in your video and I never even considered Joystick Mouse as a combo. So I'll be giving this a try tonight.

[@EdwardBoudreaux]

Excellent presentation and explanation. I screenshotted the tables so I can give my control method more consideration. I love my throttle because it has so many buttons, but after your video I feel like I am handicapping myself by using it.

[@chazzthunderdome2157]

I have spent a day trying out the mouse and joystick control and I must say its pretty good. I look forward to your video about how you mapped your keys. Thanks for the info!

[@joker_g7337]

raised a very good case for mouse and joystick. I have been playing right handed joystick with a track ball, but I'll try with a left handed joystick.

[@neohelios77]

LOL at the intro; I thought there was some audio desync issue, and was closing tabs, reopening Chrome, and trying to troubleshoot. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT there is a lot of "noise" out there. Great video, thanks!

[@jteri9468]

Fantastic analytical work putting this together! Thanks for the great video which I'm sure gives(and has given) some new perspective on controls to many Star Citizen players.

[@staydigital81]

I also found this by accident but boy o boy was it worth it!!! Great job, i hope you continue making content like this, this is the definition of an instructional SC video!!! Thank you, looking forward to more!!!

[@peterboy209]

Wow, this is by far the most in-depth vid i've seen so far. Well done!

[@iggychan007]

WONDERFUL presentation !!! I have one little thing to add and that is pedals. II was playing around finally getting a J&M set up going and decided to try my g-27 steering wheel to give me throttle forward (gas) and reverse (brake). While I'm sure folks who don't sim race will go and get this option, theoretically we CAN add two more analog inputs to your list. Now that I mention this I'm going to try to set up where I'll use the wheel for space buggies. It'll be awkward but what the heck.

[@AttilaKattila]

Best hardware control setup for Star Citizen in the future that handles all 8 control things: 1. Pitch: Right joystick 2. Yaw: Right joystick 3. Roll: Foot pedals 4. Up/Down: Left joystick 5. Right/Left: Left joystick 6. Forward/Reverse: some small throttle/lever button or one button for forward and one for reverse on the left joystick 7. X Aim: VR goggles (head tracking) 8. Y Aim: VR goggles (head tracking)

[@ph11p3540]

I frequently bounce between Mouse and Keyboard, HOTAS and dual stick. Mouse and keyboard for turret operation, shield and power engineering. HOTAS for big ships since extreme throttle precision is very important to me. Dual stick for dogfighting. Fortunately this game makes it very easy to have all 5 of my devices recognized. I will be looking at adding a number/thumbstick pad as a 6th device just for specialized radar/EW work.

[@elibmailbox]

After a few rounds of vanduul I got the hang of it. It's amazing! It allows a level of control I haven't been able to reach until now Keep up the great content.

[@-Cesh-]

This video is fantastic and to put it simply, you have convinced me of what setup I should be using. I thought I would need the standard joy + throttle combo but you have shown me otherwise. Thank you.

[@ProfessorZaitsev]

Appreciate the concise description! I've been playing with dual Microsoft Precision Pro 3Ds I got at the resale shop for $2 (which work marvelously, btw), and never thought of doing decoupled at all. I'm definitely gonna give the joystick and mouse a chance though... tried it once, but I was still running coupled. This is gonna be fun!

[@alexanderluelf9401]

How did it work out?

[@thzmaniac377]

Great video, deff got something out of it. Thank you for putting so much effort into it, it rly shows.

[@ValsGameplayGuides]

Cheers!

[@marksnead881]

Mouse and Joystick are NOT the best.... THIS VIDEO IS THE BEST!!! Great work! I'm going to try the mouse and joystick this weekend! I have been struggling with the controls for this game and I just figured it was due to being used to playing Elite. I think this is really going to help me out!!

[@dragonknightsofantar1737]

This was my original fly method. I just didn't want to invest in a left handed mouse so I went to dual then back to traditional stick and throttle.

[@MarvinBaral]

Great Video! Cinematic quality, cool 3D Graphics and a very good explanation of the control modes in StarCitizen and how to use them with different hardware. Very hiqh quality! Thank you for your effort!

[@lucasryan8520]

Thank you, I really appreciate the in-depth explanation. A game-pad is basically two joysticks with a few digital inputs, so I think most people should be able to extrapolate that xD

[@Arkalius80]

This is actually such a subjective thing and really hard to dive into in detail in a useful way, but I think you did an excellent job distilling down the nature of the control inputs and what each type of controller is good at, and showing what combinations work well for different systems of control. I'd been trying to use a gamepad but I'm starting to feel like that's a mistake, and I'm thinking I'll just try keyboard and mouse for now. Thanks for making this!

[@scottsimo3170]

I got all the info here that I have acquired from multiple other videos. Good direct info. Thank you.

[@69glenjamin]

That is a well produced and very well presented video. Thanks so much mate.

[@darkvoidboy3940]

I can't tell you how much I appreciate this guide. I am simply blown away. Subbed and shared with my clan.

[@John-gc6yb]

Fantastic content. KZbin needs more people like this.

[@ThaBaykedOne]

Great information, probably the best explanation out there. Of course that will all change when they nerf gimbals. I can't see them keeping the 60° spread on gimbal's. Completely negates maneuverability.

[@Lowthar1425]

Best explanation of this that I have come across yet! I was on the fence about what kind of config to try out first, but this video has me sold and I will be trying this!

[@Cattagus]

Insanely great explanation, and fantastic use of the graphics to explain exactly what needed to be explained. Everything about course and orientation clicked in my mind once watching this. Appreciate the video!

[@IIONNICC]

Damn good video! I also used to fly with a joystick/mouse combo. Logitech Extreme 3D Pro (left hand) and Logitech G600 (right hand). However I ended up switching to a Logitech G13 (left hand) and Logitech G600 (right hand). The Logitech G13 has 24 digital buttons and an analog stick (which can be used also as a digital input). I've also played around with a XBOX 360 gamepad. Control was great but aiming suffered. I now have a XBOX Elite Controller which I'll most likely use as a second option to my G13/G600 combo when I want to relax a bit more.

[@gutocracker]

For pure aiming skills that's the best setup, no doubt. But gimbaled weapons is a must for this setup to shine. The possibility of adjusting our aim really quick is the main advantage of this setup, and with fixed weapons that goes away. For fixed weapon dual sticks still the best. Now if you ask me who would win betwen two skilled pilots, one with dual sticks and fixed weapons and the other with 1 stick + mouse, i really believe the fixed weapons has a little edge since it can spam damage much faster.

[@MrStubbs8157]

Gustavo dias okagawa Nearly all top 10 pilots are homas users. Only a few, who put significantly more hours into this game, are scratching their skill. Sad to see a skill based game around ships is actually not much more than aiming. 80% or more is your aiming. There is a reason, why first person shooter guys with jo experience in flying at all or coming from a sim like flying game, are actually ranked top 10 right out of the box with just their aim and enough common sense for the rest. Flying became more prominent now, but also reduces speeds, which even more favours steady aim. I am not the kind of person wanting to fly homas, because it ruins my immersion entirely. TrackIR aiming doesnt really go well. Your brain is forcing your head just to move close to the target, rest is done by your eyes...so you have to force yoirself everytime...and that only with a low resolution, high latency device lile trackir. Eyetracking would be the way, but there is no high precisiin eye tracking possible to do the task. I spoke to tobieye guys and it isnt tracking precise and fast enough to do such tasks. So...unless we go away from definijg the dogfight in this just as an fps shooter, we wont see realy depth and complicated to perform dogfight lile in a ww2 flightsim e.g.. (nooo..not warthunder). Staying aware in a 3d space, coordinating with your wingman, use your ships advantage and the enemies weaknesses? Sadly not in SC. I have some hope for a bit of readjusting and balancing....but it essentially is fixed in that direction. I go for multicrew cooperative stuff, although I would love to dogfight. But getting your ship beaten in 3-4 seconds by a meta built fighter flown by a battlefield or cs:go guy is a bit annoying after having over a decade of flightsim experience against or among the best of the best pc pilots out there. :( It is like it is...you need to please the old farts, the lowskillers and casual gamers to keep them playing. So. go casual with the flightmodel is, what they chose. Elite has more ship flying skill involved. Sad to have to admit that tbh. ;)

[@MrStubbs8157]

Gustavo dias okagawa Nearly all top 10 pilots are homas users. Only a few, who put significantly more hours into this game, are scratching their skill. Sad to see a skill based game around ships is actually not much more than aiming. 80% or more is your aiming. There is a reason, why first person shooter guys with jo experience in flying at all or coming from a sim like flying game, are actually ranked top 10 right out of the box with just their aim and enough common sense for the rest. Flying became more prominent now, but also reduces speeds, which even more favours steady aim. I am not the kind of person wanting to fly homas, because it ruins my immersion entirely. TrackIR aiming doesnt really go well. Your brain is forcing your head just to move close to the target, rest is done by your eyes...so you have to force yoirself everytime...and that only with a low resolution, high latency device lile trackir. Eyetracking would be the way, but there is no high precisiin eye tracking possible to do the task. I spoke to tobieye guys and it isnt tracking precise and fast enough to do such tasks. So...unless we go away from definijg the dogfight in this just as an fps shooter, we wont see realy depth and complicated to perform dogfight lile in a ww2 flightsim e.g.. (nooo..not warthunder). Staying aware in a 3d space, coordinating with your wingman, use your ships advantage and the enemies weaknesses? Sadly not in SC. I have some hope for a bit of readjusting and balancing....but it essentially is fixed in that direction. I go for multicrew cooperative stuff, although I would love to dogfight. But getting your ship beaten in 3-4 seconds by a meta built fighter flown by a battlefield or cs:go guy is a bit annoying after having over a decade of flightsim experience against or among the best of the best pc pilots out there. :( It is like it is...you need to please the old farts, the lowskillers and casual gamers to keep them playing. So. go casual with the flightmodel is, what they chose. Elite has more ship flying skill involved. Sad to have to admit that tbh. ;)

[@gutocracker]

I totally agree with you, however, dual stick users can still do good with fixed weapons. Now with the new flight system, with afterburner merged with the cruize speed, we gotta manage our speeds in order to position ourselves better than the enemy. Don't give up dogfighting, i'm a pro battlefield player and i get my ass kicked sometimes against a few pilots with dual sticks and fixed weapons. Takes much more practice to master dual sticks than with homas.

[@gutocracker]

To finish my point, dual sticks users should use weapons with high burst dmg even if it overheats too fast. The point is that the pilot with mouse and gimbals will hit you all the time unless you move like crazy and find small windows to fire like 1 second of pure s3 weapons damage (saying a sabre for instance) u avoid getting hit for 10 seconds, outmaneuver your enemy and fire at him 1 second and start to dodge again. At the end of the day flight skills can make a real diference.

[@t3chn3wb13]

Wow man, I am an aerospace engineer and I would not have done any better. Excellent job!

[@SakaiCross]

wow that´s the best control guide I´ve seen so far :) shows much more detail *thumbs up*

[@Leispada]

Excellent vid! I run a dual joystick + pedals setup myself, and I think you may be right about having too many options. That said, it does féel really fun to do, so I'm ok with going fixed weapons and being less accurate

[@FailureToReport]

Great video, hope lots of people see it! Really well done.

[@CymBan]

Excellent analysis. I was lookign at dual joystick but I'll try joystick and mouse first. Another bonus is that its trviial to transition to keyboard and mouse when u're done and there's no joystick on the right to get in the way.

[@flyboyy77]

I felt like I was in a Star Citizen aerospace fighter course! Damn that was good! I learned something!

[@steyely]

Great video. Watching this now that master modes is on the horizon. Aiming precision via mouse instead of joystick is going to matter more to me than the immersion of dual sticks.

[@edhirxtrastrange]

You got me hooked and subbed. As I'm new to SC, was looking everywhere for a guide and found this gem

[@goofistmcnutty3280]

I'd say I'm a bit of a novice when it comes to flight combat in general, but star citizen has got me very interested in it, so I loved this video! It's a huge eye opener. Right now I use stick and keyboard, and I tried using decoupled gimble assisted, which did work ok, but have gone to coupled fixed as of late. Makes sense why I gravitated towards that now as less control is just more forgiving even though it lowers the skill cap. I'm gonna start experimenting more with this information in mind though!

[@HerculesTP]

What a video.... Great editing! Keep up the amazing work!

[@Havak37]

Only eight minutes in but omg this is so good how does this not have more views subscriptions!!! Liked and subbed

[@drebin4575]

I have to say, I've learned something here today.......Great Faking vid my friend!. :D KEEP THE DREAM ALIVE, the dream of teaching.

[@taoverse7450]

Good info, thanks for taking the time to explain everything so clearly. Have a good one!

[@gdrockstar2160]

Thank you so much for this! I was pretty good with a HOSAS setup prior to 3.3. Now I can seem to stay on target at all without ESP enabled. Luckily I have two T16000's and the Roccat Tyon mouse already, so this should be a pretty fast setup.

[@unguided8744]

keep up whit the greatwork, content and explainations. It as greatly improved my flight in dog fights and general motion of the ship

[@ncoalhw]

Great vid, well researched and presented - really appreciated it, thank you.

[@tworoelio]

In your flight combat you are not using strafe up/down left/right... This is so important and should be used evey time.

[@Kalambo898]

Fantastic editing, just amazing.

[@Lonestar166]

Good video, thanks for posting. I am just starting to get into Star Citizen and have yet to decide which input mode I will choose. I have found it all a bit overwhelming thus far. Your video is the first one I have watched regarding controls.

[@givnchewba1393]

"Most people only have two hands" , haha you killed me^^

[@FMouraBR]

Very Nice Video, thanks for all this information.

[@DaKindnes]

Dude amazing video, gold for me as I just bought the 16000 for using with a mouse. Hope you make more in the future, although it has been 4 years-

[@manuelandrei77]

Thank you for making this. I have a better idea of where to start now.

[@niennanenya]

simple and informative i like relevant information great job

[@Elou44Prod]

This was extremely well explained! Subbed!

[@resurrectionx5952]

use your legs for throttle axis + 2 joysticks (autoaim) and happy days.

[@syrusmarks1]

I came here to gain confidence in dual stick control... and found I was met with a strong argument of a different alternative. I am going to get a stick, I had one but gave up as it was a Thrust-master HOTAS X, and its just too big. As one side of the controller works fine, and the other tends to be just a brick. So I need to consolidate. I know I'll want a stick for flight, as I drew the same conclusions as you. I like having fixed and gimbled, and now that I Understand through your curt explanation of everything, I'm willing to give your preferred method a try. Being a fairly logic based person myself, it really does seem a no brainier.

[@kkang2828]

What about head-tracking? And pedals?

[@lockevaloren3938]

"most people only have two arms." lol

[@fluxrider9119]

Brilliant. Thanks so much for this video.

[@shiwaz1594]

Im SO hoping for VR track support! Freedom is key. Thanks for the great vid, hoping for more!

[@JohnVanderbeck]

A million years ago when VR still worked in Star Citizen, I had an Oculus DK2 I was using with it and I was able to aim gimbals by looking. It was glorious. Not as OP as it sounds either, it took a little skill, but it felt so right. Sort of like real life commanche pilots.

[@mikebarron8702]

You should be MVP... Anyone else agree?

[@GuysGuideService479]

Thanks for the break down, I’ve been trying to figure out how to setup KBs for the last few hours 😑

[@gatorpika]

Great explanation and presentation.

[@cjerome8599]

Upvote for ATV MVP! Great breakdown!

[@multitallented]

Thank you for this video! It's so helpful, and hopefully it'll help me fix my control setup

[@PauloRenatoAquino]

nice job! i do coupled mode with fixed weapon. left hand keyboard and joystick at right hand. not the best compo but works

[@pali1327]

Using a HOMAS what a madlad! :D. I hope you come back sometimes soon I really liked your tutorials!

[@heliowolf5042]

What about 3D mouse + mouse + trackIR though? That's 6 degrees of freedom for maneuvering, 2 for aiming and Many more for viewing. You can set that up to be all independent of each other and add in VoiceAttack for to all your auxiliary controls that would normally be bound to butttons.

[@stad_]

This is a god damn quality video!

[@reimokleesmann4189]

Very nice guide, thank you

[@vatanhd8024]

Nice video :D now you have 2k subs :)

[@marshalsdas]

Thank You so much.. that was very very helpful..

[@andrewwilliams9973]

Went back and watched this vid again. Still one of the best. You doing vids when 3.0 comes out? I sure hope so....

[@MrLuckydock]

Damn, this is quality content! Thanks a lot for your advises.

[@bestialbutcherthrash]

Great presentation, thank you

[@mickthelick5788]

Great explanation really found it helpful. Was wondering if you could add an addendum video and also consider the benefits/disadvantages of dual joystick and also where pedals might fit into this.

[@vk1087]

awesome video! and very informative and engaging. I learnt a lot! I have a hotas setup, but it wasn't working for me, mouse and keyboard is just plain confusing joystick and mouse. I think I'll give that a try! good job man! keep it up! subscribed!

[@dannygreyscale4023]

Wow, thanks for your detailed explaination

[@dominicgunderson]

Would you think about revising this when 3.5 launches?

[@Corolalumii]

Thank you, very clear explanation.

[@GabrielGreedy]

Actually, the best way you can define a mouse is a delta. Not analog or digital. A delta is movement/time. so it takes how much movement you made in one frame and output it into the screen.

[@garycarter961]

WELL DONE! So, how come I can't control my ship well with the mouse for pitch? It's very erratic, pitching wildly up and down and with only very slight movement of the mouse. I simply can't play until I get this figure out. I've changed mouse settings and played with the Edit Curves but it's still crazy hard to control the pitch with the mouse.

[@Solar546]

man you are a good teacher

[@RangerXML]

You skipped Rudder Peddles, can add 2-4 axis depending on model and modes.

[@CallsignVega]

I was going to post the same thing. Pedals are very important.

[@S0K0N0MI]

Good video but it misses a few finer details, like joysticks and throttlesticks with extra joypads. I am personally curious about how it would work with dual joystick and headtracker. Left stick : sway/heave/surge, Right joystick : roll/pitch/yaw, Headtracker : Gimbal X/Y

[@chiernguy5457]

this was a great video

[@zoranith]

Very good video..

[@JackalArtsmith]

Honestly I feel like people should just use whatever the hell they like I can land just as smoothly as someone with a joystick and throttle using a keyboard and mouse, it's called decoupling and it stops the ship from instantly stopping you after letting go of ctrl, and instead you'll continue down at the same speed, meaning you can actually lower yourself smoother than the throttle user sometimes joysticks and shit imo are just for immersion, if you wanna FEEL like the ace fighter pilot or pilot in general in the game, otherwise a keyboard and mouse is fine, hell it's even better since once you exit your ship you're INSTANTLY in FPS combat mode and don't have to whip out the keyboard or never do fps combat or just have to move your hand to a different thing in general

[@finnishfatman]

I searched "mouse vs joystick" and apparently (ok, it's subjective) there is no "vs", only warm fuzzy hug between the two in SC :P

[@Jellybeantiger]

Threw my ch hotas in the cupboard and track ir,just hate cables all over the place,going to try with my wireless Logitech gamepad.

[@MauroMrNox]

this video is a masterpiece

[@blakon621]

great video.

[@JoelFRodriguez]

Good job. I think you need to update your description of a throttle. Today's throttles like the TWCS have 5 analog axis of control.

[@rebekah-chriss-k4872]

awesome video really got a lot out of it

[@ImbaronVII]

Good video, very well detailed! For the mouse you are sure which is limited to 2 axes? Yet the wheel is also an axis in addition (even the game considers it as an Axis). It can well serve as a throttle for example.

[@mentechiara]

The basics for anyone. Definitely putting tNice tutorials in my notes.

[@vijayshrestha3979]

nice video thank u for ur work